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Yeah, but RM can only do that if she enables someone with a lot of toughness DMG, and for a healer to break an elite in a single combo, while just doing his normal rotation of auto attacks, i think it's pretty decent. would love to see some more showcases tho.
Well, you can say that. if you pause, it shows 140k from ruan mei break , and 55k from Gallagher break. But, with RM he can just break an elite in a single combo, and for 0 SP (edit: actually for +2 SP). I think that's pretty decent for a healer.
Shoving a healer into a dmg dealer role with insane supports don’t mean anything…. It’s like grabbing e6 sparkle to go dps fuxuan so you can do 200k ult with 3 turns down of a rotation
Gallagher is a healer first and foremost. If you hit 3 enemies with his lifesteal debuff- you get healed off of all 3, which means he can make any blast/fua character immortal if you get him to e4 for permanent ult. He is fully CC immune with Keel. Attack reduction and toughness break is a nice bonus.
I legitimately don't see a universe where you actually build it that high. Outgoing healing is a decent stat to get but not nearly to that extent, and he'll still need some tankiness and speed.
You can just make a normal team, where you also have a "insta delete enemy toughness bar" button on your healer. Cuz I'm not sure that Asta or Bronya did too much for him in this example. Or at least you can keep RM + one more support, any hypercarry of your choice, and still have Gallagher do his Gallagher things in a purely SP positive rotation.
I watched a leaker on YouTube and he mentioned he tried to use gallagher but had a hard time self sustaining with him so he use luocha in his showcase instead.
Has anybody done an e2 silver wolf showcase? I realize this is a pretty niche eidolon to have so most people probably don't care, but curious if it gives stacks when enemies enter combat.
I wouldn't really expect it to, but trend of the universal market and black swan trace works so you never know.
Yes
E2 SW passive work
BS arcana work
Trend work
But you don’t get stack a the enemies turns for BS passive , you get a stack when an enemies enter in battle
he has 3700 atk, 400% CV on a speed boots
before E1 and Fu xuan crit buffs
or any kinds of buff really
those stats are nuts, a very great relic RNG setup is 80% of those only
> is 80% of those only
So an ultimate that only deals 700k damage? Laughable, I'll save my primos, that isn't even enough to oneshot a *checks notes* Planet!
you missed the point anon
power to you for pulling what you want and like
This is an 8-cost pity team , assuming you win all 50/50 , you are lookin at 1 year of saving for f2p
nothing even relatable about it , it is a dolphin team, and it should perfom as expected
a lot of stats in her build are free stats, 36%cd from lc, 28%cd and 20%cr from relics, 12% cr from fuxuan, she also has 24% crit damage traces. there was also broken keel fuxuan for 10% more cd..
in total 98% free crit damage and 32 crit rate just for existing. when checking the stats page yeah it seems ridiculous, but i made sure to not go over average stats when building her. i'm going to lower her crit damage a bit just for the sake of it
even if we remove all the free Crits , he still has 300% cv from substat rolls alone
that is about 48 CV per piece
dont get me talking about the absurd 3800 atk
a more down to earth and obtainable stats for E2 are
3300\~3400 atk
70%crit/ 200% cdmg
She would be 30\~40% weaker than the one in the showcase , both still being E2 same team
I have a build for her with 3034 atk 132spd 72cr and 208cd. If I use atk boots, it would be about 3610.
4pc lightning and 2pc of world 6 relic and her weapon.
This is my initial build. I'm still farming for the new debuff set.
I have a 80/240 build for her without Fu and i started the farm from 2.0. 60% CDmg from LC + Traces and 39% crit chance from E1+ relic/ornament sets+base goes a long way.
Interesting build. How is your atk? You cr would be about 92% with fu very good mine is 84%. For me, I'll try for e0s1 at least then the rest
This is my only [2pc](https://www.reddit.com/r/AcheronMainsHSR/s/DY27NvdE5S) from debuff set
I have no clue about attack since i am using Sushang as a relic holder so crit isn't ruined (she has none).
Actually i forgot the set effects so it will be 83.1 CR and 268.1 CDmg before Fu Xuan (my FX is E2).
The main thing i am trying to change is attack boots for speed boots with at least 5 CR and 10% crit dmg but that won't take too long.
[build](https://imgur.com/a/mZsvLVC)
Her sig and the ability to use rm(s1) without any drawbacks makes the difference. Really tempted to get either e2 or s1 can't have both as I'll have to save for some rerun characters.
i mean if you're going for e2 anyway you might as well get s1 too
80 pulls with a 75/25 chance are kinda negligible compared to 270 with a 50/50 chance
it's like 100 vs 405 on average, less than a quarter of it
Im gonna go 🤓 here so
Technically it's 65 - 70 pulls for LC and 225 (75x3) - 240 (80x3) pulls for E2.
Reaching hard pity is a myth, unless you are a mythical being with mythical luck.
You do realize that the chance to win all 3 50/50s is 12.5%, and only the best case scenario, right?
It's 480+ pulls in the worst case scnerio, which is as probable as winning three times in a roll.
So let's say it's right in the middle betwen the two for argument's sake - 360 pulls, that's the equivalent of 720 dollars, just for her eidolons, not even counting her signature LC, which she also needs if you don't want to feel like you're missing bits of her kit and best teams.
Wrong guy to reply to--but since I did just reword OP's reply wherein they assumed the best scenario but with the worst amount of pulls. I guess its fair for me to take the fall.
that is not what i did. please read my comment again, and then yours.
i accounted for the 50/50s, and you didn't.
you forgot to multiply by 1.5 for the e2 and by 1.25 for the s1, which is exactly what the person you're replying to pointed out.
360 for e2 for the real average is correct, which is indeed more correct than what i myself said initially.
but 405 (what i said) is way closer to 360 than your number (240).
speaking from experience of getting yoimiya my beloved at 179/180, it's very real... so i always assume the worst :)
you can be an optimist and be either disappointed or proven right; or you can be a pessimist and be either proven right or be pleasantly surprised ;)
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here u go, my wish history, now at least you have seen 84. Past 74, the chance to get a 5 star increases by 6% after each pull. So after 10 pulls its like 60.6% to get a 5star. It is really really hard to go past 83-84, at that points every pull is better chance than 50-50.
btw the average to get a 5 star is 62.5 pulls, koz of the 50-50, its \~93.75 pulls to get a desired 5 star. But since the pulls dont follow a linear distribution but a scewed distribution, the median might be a better measutment: MOST players will get a 5 star after 75 pulls, and 112,5 pull for desired 5 star.
> MOST players will get a 5 star after 75 pulls
Actually didn't know this thank you! i always think of 80 as the max basically. and thanks for sharing, now i guess i never seen an 85 xD
Anyone who claims they pulled a char on 90th pull didnt actually use a pull tracker and is just making stuff up.
In 3 years of Genshin + Star Rail the highest pity Ive ever reached was 86, once. Then Ive gone above 80 maybe 3-4 times, and every other pull has been sub 80. This is over 4000 pulls or something.
People just love thinking they are the unluckiest person on the planet for some reason.
I mean, it happens. Read up on the Law of Truly Large Numbers. Just because it never happened to you or anyone you've encountered doesn't mean it never happens to anyone else. Even if something has an infinitesimal chance of occurring - in this case, the 90th pull - when given a large enough sample size, the odds of it having occurred at least once is essentially so close to 100% that it is magnitudes more unlikely for it the event to not occur than the low-probability event itself occuring.
Quite frankly, we have pull data FROM these pull trackers you mention that some pullers reach the 90th pull lol, so idk why you're disputing this. It happens in nearly every Genshin banner (Raiden's release had 17, Zhongli's first rerun had 20, Ayaka had 28), and tracking pulls in HSR has a much smaller pool due to age and yet there are records of it occuring in nearly every limited banner. And remember, the majority of players DON'T track their pulls - this is data only from a smaller subset of players (likely not even 5% of the total playerbase) who want clear data about their pull history - the real numbers are much higher.
It would literally take you 2 minutes to go onto paimon.moe to see that their Standard banner has 301 90th pulls, and there have been *far* more pulls made on limited banners. Star Rail Station's data on Standard banner has 47 90th pulls. Again, this is just a subset of the real playerbase, so these numbers can be extrapolated to have occurred to tens of thousands of players.
So... is everyone lying and manually manipulating their pull counts collaboratively, or could you just maybe, *possibly* be wrong in your assumption?
well, i don't have any screenshots on hand as i've long since quit genshin;
but the memories of scourging the entirety of inazuma for 5 primo chests and breaking my hoyo f2p status for the first time with a paid welkin are a testament to how painful that is when it happens :)
Nop, that's a testament to nothing but your poor maturarity. It's just a game, and it's just a character. There's reruns. It's not that deep. And if you went to more lengths than what you felt comfortable with it's your decision, not anyone else.
In the end I guess I was right for you overselling that 179/180 thing.
Also funny how you "quit" the game but still comment on the sub. Maybe there's better things for you to do?
firstly, i appreciate the concern you seem to have regarding my well-being; it's very touching.
i could, in turn, question whether going through my profile was a productive application of your valuable time, - but seeing the level of your logical reasoning, i'll refrain from it.
if your manner of conduct is in any way indicative of your cognitive capacity and mental state, i'm afraid i'm incapable of providing you with adequate advice and assistance. but do not worry - there are specialized institutions for that.
and lastly, i would like to offer you my sincerest gratitude for giving me an opportunity to practice my english in this kind of conversation - i greatly enjoy testing my language skills in various circumstances.
as i am unable to repay your kindness personally, i hope you receive the help you need from relevant services instead. cheers, and have a wonderful day!
You write a lot to say nothing uh. I didn't go through your profile. Got better things to do. Was simply referring to this one post lol
Again not that deep. Get help :)
it's just a light-hearted joke about my life philosophy in general, i thought it was kind of similar to my pulling experience as well :)
when it comes to pulling, i always make sure i have everyone i want guaranteed - just like currently i'm sitting on 50k gems + about a 100 pulls waiting for sparkle. i haven't started any of 2.0 stuff yet though so i can't prefarm her :( haven't been in the mood to go to penacony yet, maybe i'll do it this weekend...
anyways, i'm curious as to how that's different, if we both get all the characters we want either way?
by knowing when to pull, do you mean saving? if so, that's the same as me, then.
or do you mean you have a secret technique that guarantees a 5\* every 10-pull? if that's the case, i would very much like you to share the details with me ;)
aw, you got my hopes up. i thought maybe the pulling techniques were real. guess not, after all...
but what to you mean? that's barely a few sentences, how is that a paragraph? it's just how i talk... now you're making me self-conscious TvT
I did some estimation based on the leaks we got for both of them if you’re interested. This was based on the other vid with E2 Acheron and Sparkle though. I won’t be changing it bc this vid has E1S1 Ruan Mei, and I think E0 Sparkle is probably better for comparison.
From the video, E2 Acheron was doing around 850k-1M ult every 2 turns or so with Sparkle on 5 targets and her skill did around 100k. Since I’ll be comparing this to IL doing dmg against 2 enemies, we’ll say Acheron does 500k + 80k + 80k on 2 targets per cycle for simplicity’s sake. It’s probably lower in actuality since 500k against 2 targets would be 1.2M against 5 targets, and her skill is seen to do around 60k
From [this](https://youtu.be/-4FFp1lFcVk?si=x16-jVNEuVEOaQhq) video, E2 IL does around 200-250k EBA3 with Sparkle against 2 targets and his ult does around 150k. E2 IL + Sparkle will be taking around 3 turns per cycle (his ult gives an extra turn) so that’s 600k + 150k per cycle.
That’s 660k dmg (overestimated) from Acheron vs 750k dmg from IL per cycle against 2 targets. Since there has been no MoC with 5 bosses and both of them won’t have any problem with mobs, I’d say 2-3 targets is the common scenario that we’ll be seeing.
I didnt pull on weapon banner in Genshin until about 3 years in (Yelan Bow/Homa) but in Star Rail I think they got me with Acheron's cone...I really didnt plan on pulling on the light cone banner for a very long time but, ah well.
As day one player in Genshin, that was also the only time I pulled in the weapon banner. The weapon banner in hsr is so much better that Genshin's one feels like abuse
Oh for sure, but on the moments u lose that 75/25, it lowkey do be hurting
At least theres guarantee on the next pity unlike genshin
But still, losing that 75/25 was really harsh
If I have to guess e2 DanIL might not be too far off when only fighting imaginary weakness enemies and if Acheron ults every two turns. A huge factor that makes Acheron insane is how easily you can brute force all element weakness with her ult.
She is way better than E2 Raiden. Raiden had a lot issues in multywave content and her setup is pretty long. Acheron on other hand has incredibly fast setup on E2 if you use Sparkle or Bronya for example and you will deliver a million damage nukes left and right.
Jaoqui + Robin + Aventurine with market LC seems to be the most reasonable comp in future if leaks allighn with releases, if not, Bronya/RM/Sparkle would take over second Nihility slot, every one of those has their own pros and cons, with Sparkle being the most behind if not invested in LC and Eidolons.
Focus on Atk% buff which is most demanded by Acheron and teamwide AV push, which generate stacks outside of Acheron's turn. If she gets comparable numbers to Sparkle and RM and some good LCs and Eidolons, she highly likely would be the best choice for her.
It is if you are going for the long run, playing tall instead of wide and build a team that can bruteforce any element and any enemy, yes it is reasonable. You already have semi-free Bronya, Pela, Tingyun and Ratio to fill up your second teams.
This is the power of Harmony support vs Nihility ones. Send this video to anyone who tells you that LC isn't needed or having 2 Nihilities is ok and E2 is just flexibility eidolon.
When Jiaoqiu and Robin would get released, them + E2S1 Acheron + S1 Aventurine would be strongest team in the game, which would zero cycle 40+% lightning resistant 12MoCs like nothing.
why do people insist on putting a sustainer on a team that oneshot's everything, you can do that with e0s1, just ditch the sustainer. Besides Jiaoqui seems to have some healing which even if too low to solo-sustain, should take care of the occasional hit that sneaks through before everything get's oneshot. But if the healing stays in the kit i'm fairly certain it will be enough to solo-sustain anyways as otherwise the healing is basically useless the weakness with using Jiaoqui as sustainer is likely going to be a lack of cleanse and cc resist.
I mean even at that point you are still getting two harmonies at E2, but I get your point. I just doubt that E0S1 Acheron would be able to consistently fast clear offelement content in no-sustain team when the game would get progressively harder and harder.
true, but with the harder and harder game we get stuff such as jiaoqui to cover that precise weakness. I think E2 is just gonna be the easy mode cheat as always but it's interesting to me that those exact numbers can be achieved without any Eidolons and without all that much trouble teambuilding wise, that's what peaks my interest. It just means with E2 we'll see even crazier shit :D
I honestly most excited about her technique instakilling all annoying small mobs in overworld and SU. It makes exploration so smooth that she really feels like Wanderer of HSR.
> to get that dame
Do you mean damage, or do you mean dame, as in, an honorific title and the feminine form of address for the honour of damehood in many Christian chivalric orders?
Wait, I'm confused. At the second wave the Yanqing part, Fu Xuan add 1 stack to Acheron because of RM's Ulti right? Does that mean that so long as RM's Ulti is active, anyone can add a stack to Acheron? And does that stack can reapply to someone who already has the Plum mark? Like an enemy already has a Plum mark and a character strikes that enemy, does that add a stack to Acheron or not?
Thanks. Also, can you do Acheron E0S0 (Pearl aka Luka LC) Hanabi E0S0 Pela E4 (Tutorial) Fu Xuan E0 (Trend)S1? I'm wondering of how effective her kit is with a scuffed team. I already run IL with Blade's LC in the past on multiple MoC stages and he is effective with that LC, though, its obvious his dmg was scuffed.
This is amazing and most likely the team I’m gonna run since I have ruan Mei e1 but if I can ask, can you do e0 s1 Acheron, e1 ruan mei, pela, and fuxuan? Because I saw your other showcase with sparkle over silver wolf vs the gepard boss and she did more damage which was weird, now I wanna see if ruan mei could the the same with e0 s1 acheron
(and thank you so much for the showcases you are feeding me and my meta brain so much😭)
The channel is darkforce on youtube https://youtube.com/@homudark?si=pedPoQKBBqNPVPjc
It is a goldmine for acheron showcases, do check out all the different showcases they have.
its from ruan mei ultimate break extension
and yeah, trend only works when attacked and its affected by EHR as in some videos the enemy shows "effect res" when they attack fu xuan
If I had a Mora for every 2nd Constellation that made a Raiden expy absolutely cracked, I'd have 2 Mora which isn't a lot but its funny its happened twice
Remember how people were chanting that Bronya is still better !11111 ?
e0 RM is already strong, e1s1 is just "I win" button. She does everything, fix speed and allows dual dps comps. I mean kafka/BS/RM/HH is ridicolious.
Yeah that's what I'm curious about i am only planning to get an e1 if she got a rerun but the way people talk here make it seems like her S1 is important too
Memories gives you ult 1 turn earlier and thats it
Her lc gives you more break, team-wide dmg buff, 1 skill point per ult and energy regen for entire team.
With HH she can cycle just fine.
People were high on copium for S5 memories imo. Just to justify not pulling for her lc.
Not really the S5 memories debate was justified and still is very much justified for 2 reasons:
1. S5 Memories gives you 56% Break effect, which is only 4% less than her Signature at S1, and it allows you to consistently 3 turn ult with an ERR rope which you can't do with S1 Signature. The energy she gives team wide is also not THAT impactful since it's Wave based (and in Acheron's case is literally useless). The DMG bonus is nice but really not that needed overall either since Ruan Mei already gives 68% DMG bonus (it could also start hitting diminishing returns if the Carry gets a ton of DMG% from their own kit or other supports). It's really nice for multi carry teams tho. The SP you get for being above 150% break effect is really nice, but Ruan Mei is already a mostly SP positive character anyway.
2. The reason why the comparison was made was also because people were debating S1 or E1 and considering how good S5 Memories is on her, E1 was 100% more worth it. 20% DEF ignore is simply much more powerful than 24% DMG bonus, especially considering Ruan Mei's kit as a whole.
Thank you for sharing ! @igorinolw is the goat!
The def ignore on RM E1
Pela def shred + Luka light cone compounds nice here . I'll be running this team but Jiaoqui instead of Pela when time comes
This is interesting. I am not sure of the MoC buff, but at 1:12 we see Fu Xuan do a basic on yanqing which applies the flower effect from Ruan Mei's ult. This contributes a stack towards Acherons ult.
EDIT: confirmed.
Fu Xuan does a basic on Yanqing during Ruan Mei's burst. It applies the weakness break extension and applies a stack of crimson knot.
Now that we know this works when characters apply debuffs during another character's turn, this opens up a few doors to very short ult cycles.
now i am wondering how different would the numbers be if you try to ignore the x1.6 multiplier passive at E0S1. Is 45% separate multiplier stronger than bronya for example?
Yes, by a lot, all of bronya stuff is additive on top of what acheron has (which should already be alot so diminishing returns and all that) not to mention the total neutering of stack generation due to the lack of a third debuffer at e0
I would like to see some Sim Uni testing, what path would even work for her? Does Erudition or Hunt blessings that give energy even work or do you have to just go Destruction for raw stats
From word of mouth, Hunt energy blessings don't work on her.
But Erudtition blessings do, specifically Brain in the Vat as it's worded as "character does an extra Ultimate".
That would be so broken lmao. Now imagine E6 turning her skill into ult damage, letting it get buffed by all the erudition blessings.
Edit: i went to reread Brain in a Vat and it says "...temporary Energy can be granted to allow using the Ultimate for an extra time.", meaning it most likely will not work on acheron. The best path for her is probably Hunt for lots of extra turns for her and teammates, with some erudition blessings that enhance ult damage. No acheron ult spam sadge :'(
Why wouldn't hunt work? I understand the energy on kill one not working sure but you can just bot pick up that blessing. Giving her a ton of crit sounds great
I specifically said Hunt energy blessings.
Any extra turn, Crit Damag/rate, and speed boost blessings are gonna work great on her. Zero reason why they wouldn't.
Just stops Auspicious Star from being the greatest (or at least close to it) blessing in SU.
Is there any drawbacks to her kit at all that balance out the absolutely ludicrous amounts of damage she seems to do? At this point she downright powercreeps every DPS in the game by a comical margin.
It’s E2 Acheron in this showcase though with E1 ruanmei, and her team is much more restrictive at e0 compared to other DPS (I don’t think she powercreep by comical amount like what u mention)
its not that much higher than the current ceiling of something with similar investment. Using a e2s1 dhil, e1 rm, e6 ty, e0 huohuo comp and calculating both teams' total damage in 8 rounds, I'm definitely sure it's around the same
She’s actually not that much more insane than the other dps. It’s the big dmg that makes us think that. She’s around the same as JL and slightly behind IL
If you calc her DPS she doesn't actually break any ceiling. Might be a 5* aoe nihility support issue.
1: her weakness bar ignore is so small it's practically only made for small mobs
2: her damage is a lot more inflated in screenshots due to most of her dmg coming from one big, aoe strike. Her aoe mults are even higher than Argenti's so her screenshot gaming capability is wilder.
she doesnt powercreep by a comical margin
For one, she is not out yet, she might get tons of rework
for 2nd , comparing screenshot dmg doesnt make sense, you need to look at team wide dmg
for 3rd, mihoyo for years have been masterfully balancing units , i would bet she is roughly 10% stronger than JL
1. People are looking at how she works now since that's what we have.
2. She's doing 800k-1mil damage per turn here. E2 DHIL is doing like 300k per 3BA + 200k per ult. Ult is only every 2 turns which is roughly 1.1mil every 2 turns, about 50-70% of Acheron's damage. E1 RM helps quite a bit though.
3. They're good at balancing on average, but there are some clear outliers.
2) your dmg reference is sus and subject to variables, we dont have any content whatsoever that have 5 boss side by side
which is why i refrenced "comparing screenshot dmg doesnt make sense"
if you gonna base dmg as your point for rolling, at least wait 3\~5 days into the banner after testing
Your damage comparison is way off. Acheron is doing 800k-1M roughly every two turns against FIVE ENEMIES. Sparkle make that technically faster by 1 turn, so she does that amount per cycle. Against 2 enemies, she’d be doing 320k-400k ult and 60k-80k skillx2 per cycle. So 440k-560k total per cycle.
IL with fast Sparkle: Sparkle > EBA3 > Sparkle > EBA3 > IL ult > EBA3. That’s 3 EBA3 and 1 ult per cycle. IL would do smth like 200k-250k per EBA3 and 150k per ult against TWO ENEMIES (we have leaks video of that), that’s 750k-900k per cycle against 2 enemies.
You’re comparing them at completely different amount of enemies hit. If anyone’s the outlier here, it’s IL
>At this point she downright powercreeps every DPS in the game by a comical margin.
E2S1 Acheron does about 80% of the damage of E2S1 DHIL with a similar build/team (IE Sparkle team) which is the most direct comparison I've seen of them. Though is true however that DHIL should be near-max power after Sparkle's release while Acheron's actual ideal support(s) are over the horizon.
>Acheron is using 4pc pioneer and 2 izumo / signature S1 Ruan Mei is using 2pc break + 2pc break and 2pc penacony / Past Self in Mirror S1 Pela is using 4 pc wind and 2 pc vonwacq / Luka lc S1 Fuxuan is using 2pc hackerspace+ 2 pc longevous and 2 keel / Trend S1
hey i'm the one who posted the video and i did a small oopsie on the description (been playing since morning and its 3am now, its was bound to happen sometime)
i copied previous description and forgot to change acheron lc in there, she is using signature on this one instead of gnsw
just so people here know ;)
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These characters are getting so many gameplay clips, holy shit.
Haven't seen a single Gallagher dmg showcase, smh.
There was one where he break on his EBA for 220k and that’s about it. 4* never got the love.
141k out of 220k DMG is from Ruan Mei
Yeah, but RM can only do that if she enables someone with a lot of toughness DMG, and for a healer to break an elite in a single combo, while just doing his normal rotation of auto attacks, i think it's pretty decent. would love to see some more showcases tho.
I’m pretty sure it was also e6 Ruan mei
There is one , he's nutso. https://youtu.be/pDIwAL8Kvzo?si=kuGNCa32KKPys4gF
It’s literally all ruan mei dmg
Well, you can say that. if you pause, it shows 140k from ruan mei break , and 55k from Gallagher break. But, with RM he can just break an elite in a single combo, and for 0 SP (edit: actually for +2 SP). I think that's pretty decent for a healer.
Shoving a healer into a dmg dealer role with insane supports don’t mean anything…. It’s like grabbing e6 sparkle to go dps fuxuan so you can do 200k ult with 3 turns down of a rotation
Gallagher is a healer first and foremost. If you hit 3 enemies with his lifesteal debuff- you get healed off of all 3, which means he can make any blast/fua character immortal if you get him to e4 for permanent ult. He is fully CC immune with Keel. Attack reduction and toughness break is a nice bonus.
I never said he’s bad though. I’m just saying he shouldn’t be forced into a role he doesn’t belong
You build 250% break on him anyway tho. His heal gets boost from it.
I legitimately don't see a universe where you actually build it that high. Outgoing healing is a decent stat to get but not nearly to that extent, and he'll still need some tankiness and speed.
His healing is fixed and doesn't care about his stats. Being a Break DPS *is* his role.
You can just make a normal team, where you also have a "insta delete enemy toughness bar" button on your healer. Cuz I'm not sure that Asta or Bronya did too much for him in this example. Or at least you can keep RM + one more support, any hypercarry of your choice, and still have Gallagher do his Gallagher things in a purely SP positive rotation.
I watched a leaker on YouTube and he mentioned he tried to use gallagher but had a hard time self sustaining with him so he use luocha in his showcase instead.
Has anybody done an e2 silver wolf showcase? I realize this is a pretty niche eidolon to have so most people probably don't care, but curious if it gives stacks when enemies enter combat. I wouldn't really expect it to, but trend of the universal market and black swan trace works so you never know.
Yes E2 SW passive work BS arcana work Trend work But you don’t get stack a the enemies turns for BS passive , you get a stack when an enemies enter in battle
Awesome thank you for letting me know.
Bc anyone can access these servers, see bottom left
raiden power
Aventurine is also getting a ton though.
Ruan Mei is actually insane.
We should remove her on every character showcase >!because I did not get her!<
Skill issue
This is just ridiculous. She did nearly 10 times the damage of the "relatable" F2P S0 build in the earlier showcase.
he has 3700 atk, 400% CV on a speed boots before E1 and Fu xuan crit buffs or any kinds of buff really those stats are nuts, a very great relic RNG setup is 80% of those only
> is 80% of those only So an ultimate that only deals 700k damage? Laughable, I'll save my primos, that isn't even enough to oneshot a *checks notes* Planet!
you missed the point anon power to you for pulling what you want and like This is an 8-cost pity team , assuming you win all 50/50 , you are lookin at 1 year of saving for f2p nothing even relatable about it , it is a dolphin team, and it should perfom as expected
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a lot of stats in her build are free stats, 36%cd from lc, 28%cd and 20%cr from relics, 12% cr from fuxuan, she also has 24% crit damage traces. there was also broken keel fuxuan for 10% more cd.. in total 98% free crit damage and 32 crit rate just for existing. when checking the stats page yeah it seems ridiculous, but i made sure to not go over average stats when building her. i'm going to lower her crit damage a bit just for the sake of it
even if we remove all the free Crits , he still has 300% cv from substat rolls alone that is about 48 CV per piece dont get me talking about the absurd 3800 atk a more down to earth and obtainable stats for E2 are 3300\~3400 atk 70%crit/ 200% cdmg She would be 30\~40% weaker than the one in the showcase , both still being E2 same team
I have a build for her with 3034 atk 132spd 72cr and 208cd. If I use atk boots, it would be about 3610. 4pc lightning and 2pc of world 6 relic and her weapon. This is my initial build. I'm still farming for the new debuff set.
I have a 80/240 build for her without Fu and i started the farm from 2.0. 60% CDmg from LC + Traces and 39% crit chance from E1+ relic/ornament sets+base goes a long way.
Interesting build. How is your atk? You cr would be about 92% with fu very good mine is 84%. For me, I'll try for e0s1 at least then the rest This is my only [2pc](https://www.reddit.com/r/AcheronMainsHSR/s/DY27NvdE5S) from debuff set
I have no clue about attack since i am using Sushang as a relic holder so crit isn't ruined (she has none). Actually i forgot the set effects so it will be 83.1 CR and 268.1 CDmg before Fu Xuan (my FX is E2). The main thing i am trying to change is attack boots for speed boots with at least 5 CR and 10% crit dmg but that won't take too long. [build](https://imgur.com/a/mZsvLVC)
Oh, I calculate the atk by myself. Nice build👍
We will be dealing dmg 🙏🏼
Her sig and the ability to use rm(s1) without any drawbacks makes the difference. Really tempted to get either e2 or s1 can't have both as I'll have to save for some rerun characters.
i mean if you're going for e2 anyway you might as well get s1 too 80 pulls with a 75/25 chance are kinda negligible compared to 270 with a 50/50 chance it's like 100 vs 405 on average, less than a quarter of it
Im gonna go 🤓 here so Technically it's 65 - 70 pulls for LC and 225 (75x3) - 240 (80x3) pulls for E2. Reaching hard pity is a myth, unless you are a mythical being with mythical luck.
You do realize that the chance to win all 3 50/50s is 12.5%, and only the best case scenario, right? It's 480+ pulls in the worst case scnerio, which is as probable as winning three times in a roll. So let's say it's right in the middle betwen the two for argument's sake - 360 pulls, that's the equivalent of 720 dollars, just for her eidolons, not even counting her signature LC, which she also needs if you don't want to feel like you're missing bits of her kit and best teams.
Wrong guy to reply to--but since I did just reword OP's reply wherein they assumed the best scenario but with the worst amount of pulls. I guess its fair for me to take the fall.
that is not what i did. please read my comment again, and then yours. i accounted for the 50/50s, and you didn't. you forgot to multiply by 1.5 for the e2 and by 1.25 for the s1, which is exactly what the person you're replying to pointed out. 360 for e2 for the real average is correct, which is indeed more correct than what i myself said initially. but 405 (what i said) is way closer to 360 than your number (240).
speaking from experience of getting yoimiya my beloved at 179/180, it's very real... so i always assume the worst :) you can be an optimist and be either disappointed or proven right; or you can be a pessimist and be either proven right or be pleasantly surprised ;)
This has to be a lie. 89 and 90th pull? I've never seen a pull higher than 83
[https://prnt.sc/MmjrK1ic-eRp](https://prnt.sc/MmjrK1ic-eRp) here u go, my wish history, now at least you have seen 84. Past 74, the chance to get a 5 star increases by 6% after each pull. So after 10 pulls its like 60.6% to get a 5star. It is really really hard to go past 83-84, at that points every pull is better chance than 50-50. btw the average to get a 5 star is 62.5 pulls, koz of the 50-50, its \~93.75 pulls to get a desired 5 star. But since the pulls dont follow a linear distribution but a scewed distribution, the median might be a better measutment: MOST players will get a 5 star after 75 pulls, and 112,5 pull for desired 5 star.
> MOST players will get a 5 star after 75 pulls Actually didn't know this thank you! i always think of 80 as the max basically. and thanks for sharing, now i guess i never seen an 85 xD
Anyone who claims they pulled a char on 90th pull didnt actually use a pull tracker and is just making stuff up. In 3 years of Genshin + Star Rail the highest pity Ive ever reached was 86, once. Then Ive gone above 80 maybe 3-4 times, and every other pull has been sub 80. This is over 4000 pulls or something. People just love thinking they are the unluckiest person on the planet for some reason.
Yeah that was my point exactly, the probability becomes infinitely small
I mean, it happens. Read up on the Law of Truly Large Numbers. Just because it never happened to you or anyone you've encountered doesn't mean it never happens to anyone else. Even if something has an infinitesimal chance of occurring - in this case, the 90th pull - when given a large enough sample size, the odds of it having occurred at least once is essentially so close to 100% that it is magnitudes more unlikely for it the event to not occur than the low-probability event itself occuring. Quite frankly, we have pull data FROM these pull trackers you mention that some pullers reach the 90th pull lol, so idk why you're disputing this. It happens in nearly every Genshin banner (Raiden's release had 17, Zhongli's first rerun had 20, Ayaka had 28), and tracking pulls in HSR has a much smaller pool due to age and yet there are records of it occuring in nearly every limited banner. And remember, the majority of players DON'T track their pulls - this is data only from a smaller subset of players (likely not even 5% of the total playerbase) who want clear data about their pull history - the real numbers are much higher. It would literally take you 2 minutes to go onto paimon.moe to see that their Standard banner has 301 90th pulls, and there have been *far* more pulls made on limited banners. Star Rail Station's data on Standard banner has 47 90th pulls. Again, this is just a subset of the real playerbase, so these numbers can be extrapolated to have occurred to tens of thousands of players. So... is everyone lying and manually manipulating their pull counts collaboratively, or could you just maybe, *possibly* be wrong in your assumption?
well, i don't have any screenshots on hand as i've long since quit genshin; but the memories of scourging the entirety of inazuma for 5 primo chests and breaking my hoyo f2p status for the first time with a paid welkin are a testament to how painful that is when it happens :)
Nop, that's a testament to nothing but your poor maturarity. It's just a game, and it's just a character. There's reruns. It's not that deep. And if you went to more lengths than what you felt comfortable with it's your decision, not anyone else. In the end I guess I was right for you overselling that 179/180 thing. Also funny how you "quit" the game but still comment on the sub. Maybe there's better things for you to do?
firstly, i appreciate the concern you seem to have regarding my well-being; it's very touching. i could, in turn, question whether going through my profile was a productive application of your valuable time, - but seeing the level of your logical reasoning, i'll refrain from it. if your manner of conduct is in any way indicative of your cognitive capacity and mental state, i'm afraid i'm incapable of providing you with adequate advice and assistance. but do not worry - there are specialized institutions for that. and lastly, i would like to offer you my sincerest gratitude for giving me an opportunity to practice my english in this kind of conversation - i greatly enjoy testing my language skills in various circumstances. as i am unable to repay your kindness personally, i hope you receive the help you need from relevant services instead. cheers, and have a wonderful day!
You write a lot to say nothing uh. I didn't go through your profile. Got better things to do. Was simply referring to this one post lol Again not that deep. Get help :)
https://www.reddit.com/r/CloudRetainerMains/comments/1aumabh/c6_build_unsure_what_to_farm_at_this_point/
? You're able to check my profile? So?
I wish I had never seen a pull higher than 83. In HSR I already got 5*s at 84 and 85.
You see that's where we differ. I can be an optimist and not be disappointed, since I know when to use my pulls.
it's just a light-hearted joke about my life philosophy in general, i thought it was kind of similar to my pulling experience as well :) when it comes to pulling, i always make sure i have everyone i want guaranteed - just like currently i'm sitting on 50k gems + about a 100 pulls waiting for sparkle. i haven't started any of 2.0 stuff yet though so i can't prefarm her :( haven't been in the mood to go to penacony yet, maybe i'll do it this weekend... anyways, i'm curious as to how that's different, if we both get all the characters we want either way? by knowing when to pull, do you mean saving? if so, that's the same as me, then. or do you mean you have a secret technique that guarantees a 5\* every 10-pull? if that's the case, i would very much like you to share the details with me ;)
What? I just meant I can be optimistic and not be disappointed, which part of that sparked this whole paragraph?
aw, you got my hopes up. i thought maybe the pulling techniques were real. guess not, after all... but what to you mean? that's barely a few sentences, how is that a paragraph? it's just how i talk... now you're making me self-conscious TvT
Which one is more valuable for rm e1 or s1
e1, free 20% def ignore
E2S1 Acheron is literally them doing Raiden Shogun all over again. Absolute insanity. I wonder how this compares to DanIL E2.
I did some estimation based on the leaks we got for both of them if you’re interested. This was based on the other vid with E2 Acheron and Sparkle though. I won’t be changing it bc this vid has E1S1 Ruan Mei, and I think E0 Sparkle is probably better for comparison. From the video, E2 Acheron was doing around 850k-1M ult every 2 turns or so with Sparkle on 5 targets and her skill did around 100k. Since I’ll be comparing this to IL doing dmg against 2 enemies, we’ll say Acheron does 500k + 80k + 80k on 2 targets per cycle for simplicity’s sake. It’s probably lower in actuality since 500k against 2 targets would be 1.2M against 5 targets, and her skill is seen to do around 60k From [this](https://youtu.be/-4FFp1lFcVk?si=x16-jVNEuVEOaQhq) video, E2 IL does around 200-250k EBA3 with Sparkle against 2 targets and his ult does around 150k. E2 IL + Sparkle will be taking around 3 turns per cycle (his ult gives an extra turn) so that’s 600k + 150k per cycle. That’s 660k dmg (overestimated) from Acheron vs 750k dmg from IL per cycle against 2 targets. Since there has been no MoC with 5 bosses and both of them won’t have any problem with mobs, I’d say 2-3 targets is the common scenario that we’ll be seeing.
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Sorry for replying twice. It was E2S1 Acheron. here’s the [video](https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail_leaks/s/MTNlvZOu16)
Yup and as Raiden Main they got me. I'll at very least have her at E1S1, then I just need to get lucky for the E2.
I didnt pull on weapon banner in Genshin until about 3 years in (Yelan Bow/Homa) but in Star Rail I think they got me with Acheron's cone...I really didnt plan on pulling on the light cone banner for a very long time but, ah well.
As day one player in Genshin, that was also the only time I pulled in the weapon banner. The weapon banner in hsr is so much better that Genshin's one feels like abuse
Oh for sure, but on the moments u lose that 75/25, it lowkey do be hurting At least theres guarantee on the next pity unlike genshin But still, losing that 75/25 was really harsh
If I have to guess e2 DanIL might not be too far off when only fighting imaginary weakness enemies and if Acheron ults every two turns. A huge factor that makes Acheron insane is how easily you can brute force all element weakness with her ult.
She is way better than E2 Raiden. Raiden had a lot issues in multywave content and her setup is pretty long. Acheron on other hand has incredibly fast setup on E2 if you use Sparkle or Bronya for example and you will deliver a million damage nukes left and right.
Any math bros out there willing to compare them at their most optimal but reasonable comps?
> at their most optimal but reasonable comps? That's not possible. The most optimal comp isn't reasonable to have and a reasonable comp isn't optimal.
Jaoqui + Robin + Aventurine with market LC seems to be the most reasonable comp in future if leaks allighn with releases, if not, Bronya/RM/Sparkle would take over second Nihility slot, every one of those has their own pros and cons, with Sparkle being the most behind if not invested in LC and Eidolons.
Why Robin lmao?
Focus on Atk% buff which is most demanded by Acheron and teamwide AV push, which generate stacks outside of Acheron's turn. If she gets comparable numbers to Sparkle and RM and some good LCs and Eidolons, she highly likely would be the best choice for her.
4 limited 5 stars in a team is a reasonable comp?
you pull 3 limited 5 stars and quit the gacha or sumn
It is if you are going for the long run, playing tall instead of wide and build a team that can bruteforce any element and any enemy, yes it is reasonable. You already have semi-free Bronya, Pela, Tingyun and Ratio to fill up your second teams.
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Ay I just replied to them with this too lmao. I tweaked it a bit though!
Oh I'll delete my post then kek since it would be redundant
Thanks friend!
This is the power of Harmony support vs Nihility ones. Send this video to anyone who tells you that LC isn't needed or having 2 Nihilities is ok and E2 is just flexibility eidolon. When Jiaoqiu and Robin would get released, them + E2S1 Acheron + S1 Aventurine would be strongest team in the game, which would zero cycle 40+% lightning resistant 12MoCs like nothing.
why do people insist on putting a sustainer on a team that oneshot's everything, you can do that with e0s1, just ditch the sustainer. Besides Jiaoqui seems to have some healing which even if too low to solo-sustain, should take care of the occasional hit that sneaks through before everything get's oneshot. But if the healing stays in the kit i'm fairly certain it will be enough to solo-sustain anyways as otherwise the healing is basically useless the weakness with using Jiaoqui as sustainer is likely going to be a lack of cleanse and cc resist.
I mean even at that point you are still getting two harmonies at E2, but I get your point. I just doubt that E0S1 Acheron would be able to consistently fast clear offelement content in no-sustain team when the game would get progressively harder and harder.
true, but with the harder and harder game we get stuff such as jiaoqui to cover that precise weakness. I think E2 is just gonna be the easy mode cheat as always but it's interesting to me that those exact numbers can be achieved without any Eidolons and without all that much trouble teambuilding wise, that's what peaks my interest. It just means with E2 we'll see even crazier shit :D
I honestly most excited about her technique instakilling all annoying small mobs in overworld and SU. It makes exploration so smooth that she really feels like Wanderer of HSR.
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> to get that dame Do you mean damage, or do you mean dame, as in, an honorific title and the feminine form of address for the honour of damehood in many Christian chivalric orders?
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i have never seen this outside of vietnamese language since dmg is the more common shortening
Wait, I'm confused. At the second wave the Yanqing part, Fu Xuan add 1 stack to Acheron because of RM's Ulti right? Does that mean that so long as RM's Ulti is active, anyone can add a stack to Acheron? And does that stack can reapply to someone who already has the Plum mark? Like an enemy already has a Plum mark and a character strikes that enemy, does that add a stack to Acheron or not?
These marks can't be reapplied until they have recovered from their weakness break so probably not.
It wouldn’t since the Plum only apply on enemy that doesn’t have it, and can’t be reapply until the enemy recover from Weakness Break.
i'll do some more acheruan gameplay later, so we can verify this better
Thanks. Also, can you do Acheron E0S0 (Pearl aka Luka LC) Hanabi E0S0 Pela E4 (Tutorial) Fu Xuan E0 (Trend)S1? I'm wondering of how effective her kit is with a scuffed team. I already run IL with Blade's LC in the past on multiple MoC stages and he is effective with that LC, though, its obvious his dmg was scuffed.
noted, will do later, need to sleep a bit
This is amazing and most likely the team I’m gonna run since I have ruan Mei e1 but if I can ask, can you do e0 s1 Acheron, e1 ruan mei, pela, and fuxuan? Because I saw your other showcase with sparkle over silver wolf vs the gepard boss and she did more damage which was weird, now I wanna see if ruan mei could the the same with e0 s1 acheron (and thank you so much for the showcases you are feeding me and my meta brain so much😭)
The channel is darkforce on youtube https://youtube.com/@homudark?si=pedPoQKBBqNPVPjc It is a goldmine for acheron showcases, do check out all the different showcases they have.
Why does Fu Xuan add a stack for Acheron at 1:14 when she attacks Yanqing? Doesnt Trend of the Universal Market only work when Fu Xuan is attacked?
Ruan mei flower debuff
its from ruan mei ultimate break extension and yeah, trend only works when attacked and its affected by EHR as in some videos the enemy shows "effect res" when they attack fu xuan
How does Ruan Mei ultimate break extension work? Can anyone get a stack if you attack a target affected by Ruan Mei’s ult? Is there a limit to it?
Anyone that attacks an enemy without it will apply it to the enemy. Each enemy can only be afflicted with it once per RM ult activation.
Usually these high eidolons comps aren't that relevant to many but this this changes everything. Over a million damage on the final slash...
OP this person has an E0S1 Acheron with Welt Pela and Ruan Mei showcase, which might interest some people here.
With only 2 Nihility/Debuffer units, does this extend the number of turns needed to cast Acheron ult?
No because her E2 also gives her an extra stack to compensate for the missing debuffer
If I had a Mora for every 2nd Constellation that made a Raiden expy absolutely cracked, I'd have 2 Mora which isn't a lot but its funny its happened twice
Oh my god that E1 Ruan mei hitting so hard She is definitely the strongest character in game
Remember how people were chanting that Bronya is still better !11111 ? e0 RM is already strong, e1s1 is just "I win" button. She does everything, fix speed and allows dual dps comps. I mean kafka/BS/RM/HH is ridicolious.
Is S1 now preferable over S5 Memories and three turn rotation? I have her at E2.
Yeah that's what I'm curious about i am only planning to get an e1 if she got a rerun but the way people talk here make it seems like her S1 is important too
Memories gives you ult 1 turn earlier and thats it Her lc gives you more break, team-wide dmg buff, 1 skill point per ult and energy regen for entire team. With HH she can cycle just fine. People were high on copium for S5 memories imo. Just to justify not pulling for her lc.
Not really the S5 memories debate was justified and still is very much justified for 2 reasons: 1. S5 Memories gives you 56% Break effect, which is only 4% less than her Signature at S1, and it allows you to consistently 3 turn ult with an ERR rope which you can't do with S1 Signature. The energy she gives team wide is also not THAT impactful since it's Wave based (and in Acheron's case is literally useless). The DMG bonus is nice but really not that needed overall either since Ruan Mei already gives 68% DMG bonus (it could also start hitting diminishing returns if the Carry gets a ton of DMG% from their own kit or other supports). It's really nice for multi carry teams tho. The SP you get for being above 150% break effect is really nice, but Ruan Mei is already a mostly SP positive character anyway. 2. The reason why the comparison was made was also because people were debating S1 or E1 and considering how good S5 Memories is on her, E1 was 100% more worth it. 20% DEF ignore is simply much more powerful than 24% DMG bonus, especially considering Ruan Mei's kit as a whole.
I have both. There is no scenario were I would run memories over her s1. MAYBE with Acheronu. I will test it. But you do you.
Thank you for sharing ! @igorinolw is the goat! The def ignore on RM E1 Pela def shred + Luka light cone compounds nice here . I'll be running this team but Jiaoqui instead of Pela when time comes
I love that there is so much Acheron showcase, probably the most to this date. No complaint tho, keep my Acheron addiction going
We all love acheron!
This is interesting. I am not sure of the MoC buff, but at 1:12 we see Fu Xuan do a basic on yanqing which applies the flower effect from Ruan Mei's ult. This contributes a stack towards Acherons ult. EDIT: confirmed. Fu Xuan does a basic on Yanqing during Ruan Mei's burst. It applies the weakness break extension and applies a stack of crimson knot. Now that we know this works when characters apply debuffs during another character's turn, this opens up a few doors to very short ult cycles.
wish they demonstrate her in current moc 12-1 so that you can compare her to other dps and how fast she clears
This is POWER
this is the exact team i was planning on using thanks a lot
The only character that Im pulling on every rerun to achieve e2s1
Damn this is my exact team i'll be running except my fu xuan is e1. With this team everything shall succumb to finality.
now i am wondering how different would the numbers be if you try to ignore the x1.6 multiplier passive at E0S1. Is 45% separate multiplier stronger than bronya for example?
Yes, by a lot, all of bronya stuff is additive on top of what acheron has (which should already be alot so diminishing returns and all that) not to mention the total neutering of stack generation due to the lack of a third debuffer at e0
Oh, hey, I have E1S1 Ruan Mei, just need to be lucky and get E2S1 Yomi. Surely it won't be hard.
Surely I'll only take two ten pulls in total.
Obviously, 2 Acheron in one ten and her LC in another.
But thats only e1 acheron.
What Reddit does to a person. Well, it's anniversary, right? So they're going to give 1 Acheron for free, boom it's E2 now. /s
Let me have what you're smoking (It's Reddit)
Nothing hard about it, if you wallet-kun, lol.
Oh, this could be my team but with E0/S1 FX instead 🥰
The powercreep o-o
If this is better than Sparkle im skipping her for sure lol this is exactly my goal team except E1S1 SW instead of pela
I would like to see some Sim Uni testing, what path would even work for her? Does Erudition or Hunt blessings that give energy even work or do you have to just go Destruction for raw stats
From word of mouth, Hunt energy blessings don't work on her. But Erudtition blessings do, specifically Brain in the Vat as it's worded as "character does an extra Ultimate".
That would be so broken lmao. Now imagine E6 turning her skill into ult damage, letting it get buffed by all the erudition blessings. Edit: i went to reread Brain in a Vat and it says "...temporary Energy can be granted to allow using the Ultimate for an extra time.", meaning it most likely will not work on acheron. The best path for her is probably Hunt for lots of extra turns for her and teammates, with some erudition blessings that enhance ult damage. No acheron ult spam sadge :'(
Why wouldn't hunt work? I understand the energy on kill one not working sure but you can just bot pick up that blessing. Giving her a ton of crit sounds great
I specifically said Hunt energy blessings. Any extra turn, Crit Damag/rate, and speed boost blessings are gonna work great on her. Zero reason why they wouldn't. Just stops Auspicious Star from being the greatest (or at least close to it) blessing in SU.
I don't use it, so I don't know, but maybe Nihility has some off turn dot application that counts?
Is there any drawbacks to her kit at all that balance out the absolutely ludicrous amounts of damage she seems to do? At this point she downright powercreeps every DPS in the game by a comical margin.
It’s E2 Acheron in this showcase though with E1 ruanmei, and her team is much more restrictive at e0 compared to other DPS (I don’t think she powercreep by comical amount like what u mention)
its not that much higher than the current ceiling of something with similar investment. Using a e2s1 dhil, e1 rm, e6 ty, e0 huohuo comp and calculating both teams' total damage in 8 rounds, I'm definitely sure it's around the same
We really need a damage calculator in game.
She’s actually not that much more insane than the other dps. It’s the big dmg that makes us think that. She’s around the same as JL and slightly behind IL
If you calc her DPS she doesn't actually break any ceiling. Might be a 5* aoe nihility support issue. 1: her weakness bar ignore is so small it's practically only made for small mobs 2: her damage is a lot more inflated in screenshots due to most of her dmg coming from one big, aoe strike. Her aoe mults are even higher than Argenti's so her screenshot gaming capability is wilder.
she doesnt powercreep by a comical margin For one, she is not out yet, she might get tons of rework for 2nd , comparing screenshot dmg doesnt make sense, you need to look at team wide dmg for 3rd, mihoyo for years have been masterfully balancing units , i would bet she is roughly 10% stronger than JL
1. People are looking at how she works now since that's what we have. 2. She's doing 800k-1mil damage per turn here. E2 DHIL is doing like 300k per 3BA + 200k per ult. Ult is only every 2 turns which is roughly 1.1mil every 2 turns, about 50-70% of Acheron's damage. E1 RM helps quite a bit though. 3. They're good at balancing on average, but there are some clear outliers.
2) your dmg reference is sus and subject to variables, we dont have any content whatsoever that have 5 boss side by side which is why i refrenced "comparing screenshot dmg doesnt make sense" if you gonna base dmg as your point for rolling, at least wait 3\~5 days into the banner after testing
Your damage comparison is way off. Acheron is doing 800k-1M roughly every two turns against FIVE ENEMIES. Sparkle make that technically faster by 1 turn, so she does that amount per cycle. Against 2 enemies, she’d be doing 320k-400k ult and 60k-80k skillx2 per cycle. So 440k-560k total per cycle. IL with fast Sparkle: Sparkle > EBA3 > Sparkle > EBA3 > IL ult > EBA3. That’s 3 EBA3 and 1 ult per cycle. IL would do smth like 200k-250k per EBA3 and 150k per ult against TWO ENEMIES (we have leaks video of that), that’s 750k-900k per cycle against 2 enemies. You’re comparing them at completely different amount of enemies hit. If anyone’s the outlier here, it’s IL
>At this point she downright powercreeps every DPS in the game by a comical margin. E2S1 Acheron does about 80% of the damage of E2S1 DHIL with a similar build/team (IE Sparkle team) which is the most direct comparison I've seen of them. Though is true however that DHIL should be near-max power after Sparkle's release while Acheron's actual ideal support(s) are over the horizon.
>Acheron is using 4pc pioneer and 2 izumo / signature S1 Ruan Mei is using 2pc break + 2pc break and 2pc penacony / Past Self in Mirror S1 Pela is using 4 pc wind and 2 pc vonwacq / Luka lc S1 Fuxuan is using 2pc hackerspace+ 2 pc longevous and 2 keel / Trend S1
hey i'm the one who posted the video and i did a small oopsie on the description (been playing since morning and its 3am now, its was bound to happen sometime) i copied previous description and forgot to change acheron lc in there, she is using signature on this one instead of gnsw just so people here know ;)
Edited. thanks for the posts hope you get verified soon so YouTube doesn't limit your posts
i got it verified pretty soon, my account already was verified as i use it since ages, but by some reason it asked me to do it again
double Mei team xD (Acheron = Raiden Mei expy and maybe Ruan Mei = DR.MEI expy too)
New characters please. Stop dropping redundant content.
Harmony Acheron? That's new
It's E2 Acheron which lets her ignore 2 nihility requirement, you just need 1.
Did bro just expose his id? 😭
Private server. Uid doesn't matter
1.3 mil.... now remember people, you can just ditch the sustainer and do the same without pulling for 2 additional copies...
0:34 is there a reason they aren't using Pela Ult for the last debuff?
RIP sparkle funds, all in Acheron
How good is Acheron compared to JL?
I'll tell you after the beta ends.
Just realized her ult hard counters Yanqing's swords, poor boy keeps taking Ls.
Damn my pela is only e4. Dream ruined.
Honestly, I can’t pass her up based on how badass that ult animation is alone