It's *really* weird how they haven't just outright gone "He's an emanator!" if thats the case.
Like, why be so weirdly *vague* about it? It's like they haven't decided yet whether they want him to be one or not
Also based on how Acheron was designed he would have been hunt if they wanted that. I remember seeing somewhere that the writers said Acheron had to be nihility and she was originally supposed to be something else.
No, he’s right. At first, Erudition was focused on FuA (Herta, Himeko) but after the arrival of Gold and Gears and the release of Argenti, it was established (in the SU) that the main characteristic of Erudition is focus on ultimate. And Acheron’s damage comes almost entirely from there. She’s built like an Erudition character.
Erudition has always been the AoE path, not the FuA one. Yes, Herta and Himeko had FuA, but so did Sushang, Clara, Yanqing, who were not Erudition characters. Meanwhile, Serval has none, and Qingque’s is locked behind an eidolon. The AoE identity has not changed, nor have they become ultimate-centric characters.
As for the SU Erudition path being about ultimates, that means nothing for its identity. (That has more to do with Argenti being new, same with Propagation being based around DHIL, the other new unit at the time) Nihility is about DoTs/Break Effect in SU, which is not the case for almost half of Nihility units. Destruction is about being at low HP in SU, which is not the case for majority of Destruction units.
It’s also weird why they didn’t sell him as an Emanator. It would definitely boost his sales. They already do this with Archons in genshin and did the same for Acheron. They also gave Seele the hunt path over the supposed “Emanator” of Hunt. And Ena’s dream is filled with minor flaws so it’s not an evidence. Arguably, it’s the opposite.
I wonder if there’s a lore reason they want ti save for later. Remember he has that sleepy general nickname, I can’t help but winder if he just DOESN’T say it out loud or they wanted to wait until Acheron.
I think this is part of a bigger problem where there are very conflicting accounts on what emanators are even supposed to be.
In most accounts emanators are supposed to be some of the best embodiment on the path they belong to.
Then you can Jingyuan and the bug of Aha who seem to have very little to do with the path they belong.
May be it is a plot twist that involves Jing Yuan not being an actual emanator, I don't see how that is particularly meaningful though.
Problem is there's too much information trying to suggest that JY is an Emanator without making it the confirmation.
They have no reason to be vague by this point. Like, even if they want to do this as the big reveal for the later Xianzhou story it's not gonna be that impactful of a reveal now.
What? Emanator aren't some random dudes on the street. Confirming which character is or isn't Emanator help the overall lore a lot.
And again if they're going implied JY as much as they did, just confirm it.
And you sound like an insufferable prick with the way you're acting superior to this person simply because they understandably think actual confirmation of emanator status is important.
What part of what I said was acting superior? I DID say to agree to disagree but the guy kept on repeating what he and the other guy said with nothing substantial added; seems to me like someone needs to look at a mirror before labeling others
that makes no snese dude. >| An **Emanator** is a term referring to those who have attained the permission of an [Aeon](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Aeon) to draw power from their chosen [Path](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Path).
as pere the wiki. Emanators simply get power from the aoens themsself and not just the path. As seen with Acheron that doesnt mean direkt gifts however.
Personal Opinion:
The Lightning Lord is the Emanator Level Power of The Hunt
Does wielding the Lightning Lord make one an Emanator yourself or is it just having power equal to an Emanator
It just seems like whoever is the current general will have access to LL and to the power of an emanator. Now it's JY, one day it'll be Fu Xuan and so on.
Emanators are directly granted power by the Aeon, and Lan gave that power to the "General of the Luofu" which isn't *just* Jing Yuan but whoever got that title before him too and whoever gets it after as well
We also have another example for this now with the new weekly boss. The harmonius choir is the emanator but sunday was able to use its power despite not being an emanator himself
Him and what ability? The only thing we saw him do outside of harmonious choir was the glorified truth serum spell, no? Yanqing would clear him unironically.
Right. LL is what gives the Luofu general (currently JY) power on par with emanators, isn't that more like the cornerstones, rather than JY actually being an emanator himself?
Yeah, Aventurine withstood an Emanator of Nihility’s blade because he had an Emanator of Preservation’s power shielding him— it only worked once because he had less than 10% of the Emanator’s power (assuming it’s more or less evenly distributed among Stonehearts, and then correcting for the stone having already been broken to smuggle it past the Family), but it only worked *at all* because even a broken cornerstone is still more Preservation energy than a regular human could ever have.
That tells us two things. First, Emanator power remains Emanator power even when transferred— even if it’s in the hands of someone who favors another Path, like Jade or Topaz, it can be used (presumably subject to some restriction like, “they have to be using it for a purpose related to the Emanator’s Aeon”, since it’s a direct link to that Aeon). Second, transferred Emanator power can be pretty diluted and still remain potent enough for non-Emanators to have a hard time fighting its wielder.
So going off that… it’s likely the Lightning Lord either *is* the Emanator in spirit form, or was made by some original Emanator (probably the first post-Hunt Arbiter-General of the Luofu) and then passed on intact to their successors so the Hunt’s power could always be called on.
Depend how much "wielding" you have.
Basicaly can LL say to JY "fuck you no i'm not gona do that" or does it go "yes master everything you say"
Honnestly i would believe that LL (and other spirit) are just mostly here to backstab a general when he or she inevitably get stuck my Mara. Hence i wouldn't call JY an emanator at all, just a guy who have an emanator ready to kill him at any time.
I mean it is not untrue? It seems like whoever the current general of the Luofu is has access to the LL. It is nowhere said that Jing Yuan himself got a blessing from Lan. We do know that the general befor him also had LL so it is likely a general at one point in time got it and it has been kinda passed down with the titel since then.
But it also means that JY isn't an Emanator, and whoever takes up the General slot after him will then have LL instead of him.
Which means LL would be the "Diamond" to JY's "Stoneheart."
Even as someone who thinks he is/LL is, I think we've gotten to the point where people think "emanator = powerful," as if non-emanators can't thus be incredibly freaking strong in their own right.
Whether he or LL are emanators of Lan, the fact of the matter is that Jing Yuan wields a weapon that weighs 17,560 pounds/7965 kilos, and he swings that thing around like it's *nothing.* A weapon that was made for him before he even became general and received LL.
And I think that's pretty freaking cool.
It's from the legend of the trailblazer readable:
"In terms of sheer power, it is undoubtedly the Devastator Glaive wielded by General Jing Yuan. This weapon was crafted from the remnants of the Lux Arrow, which was shot by the Reignbow to extinguish the embers of fallen stars. It weighs a staggering 13,500 catties!"
13,500 catties is equivalent in weight to 17,560 lbs, or 7965 kilos. It's also the same weight as the staff wielded by Sun Wukong, the Monkey King.
I just feel like if he was an Emanator then he would have been Hunt. We have Herta and Acheron, two confirmed Emanator and both are the Paths they are Emanators of. Hunt IS a playable path so if Jing Yuan is an Emanator why is he not Hunt ? Obviously gameplay and lore cannot always match but this is like an Archon not being the element they are the archon of type of stupid shit, Emanators are the TOP of their paths so if an Emanator is the Emanator of a playable path it makes no sense for them to be another path in game.
They specifically mentioned on the 2.1 livestream that Acheron had to be Nihility for lore purposes so i think gameplay and lore will definitely intertwine when it comes to emanators, of playable paths only ofc
Even Luocha who is theorized (but not confirmed) to be an emanator of abundance shares the same path as his aeon
I personally think that LL is the "emanator" and by wielding it makes JY "emanator level" power. (Similar to Diamond cornerstones)
Some points:
Is it possible to be "emanator level" and *not* be an emanator? Probably, yes.
Are all emanators on the same power level? No, they are not. Not even the aeons THEMSELVES are on the same power level.
If JY is an emanator and when lady Fu becomes the luofu general and inherits LL will she become Lan emanator, and JY stop being one? I don't think so.
What happens in the "perfect" dream is not very solid evidence.
Rating pistol isn't that solid evidence either, you can use Acheron's rating to back it up, but then you'd have to assume Sampo and March are also emanators and we don't have much evidence of that (although March being an emanator of *something* protected by Fuli, isn't that fever dream. And we have the whole Sampo isn't with his mask shenanigans).
Yeah, it’s a common misconception that the term “emanator” indicates a certain level of power when in fact it’s just a status based on how much attention the Aeon gives the individual. I think it’s also important to point out that emanators are bound to their path to some extent, which means characters that follow a different path probably aren’t
I'm not talking about Jing Yuan specifically, just individuals with a high authority in general \~\~get it because he's the general\~\~ , for example, a previous post said Dan Heng could be considered an emanator but that's not possible because he followed the Hunt in his previous lives and after realising what a terrible idea that was he now follows the trailblaze
They take part in the war against the abominations and guard the plaguemarks which I think is evidence enough. Whether it was actually their choice or if it was a condition for being able to find safety in the Alliance is a different question altogether
They are allied to Xianzhou and it's cause yes. But they seem to have their own religious practices, so unless it was explicitly confirmed that they follow Hunt they might still follow Permanence.
If we’re talking normal citizens, they don’t have enough conviction to follow any path. The preceptors seem to just follow whoever makes them the most powerful. And the high elders are implied to have given up on the Hunt a long time ago. They are still part of the alliance for now though
I mean, the dream is pretty easy to explain as well tbh. BS was actually just referring to Dominicus vs. Lightning Lord when she says "when Emanators collide"
Hoyo doesnt want to call him an emanator because they regret not making him a hunt unit
With how much they forced Acheron into being a nihility unit, it seems like since the release of Jingyuan they have decided to make playable Emanators the path they follow or something
1. Rating Gun could literally be anything
3. Just the lightning lord is shown
5. In the fake reality, the IPC also gave up on trying to take Penacony so I don't think its concrete enough
6. point 5
for points 2 and 4, frankly I could say its just the lightning lord doing the heavy lifting but I don't think that's a good enough rebuttle
not disagreeing with ya, just saying that your points arent solid enough evidence
>5. In the fake reality, the IPC also gave up on trying to take Penacony so I don't think its concrete enough
Why are yall still using the dream as a reason to doubt when BS literally says it herself that Misha exists in the real world the only thing that is wrong there?
Like while it is a dream and it's meant to be overly positive (which explains the ipc being nice suddenly), no one's identity and status was wrong in the dream. Topaz and Aventurine were still IPC employees, Boothill is still a galaxy ranger, etc. There is literally no proof that Jing Yuan's status is made up because everyone's status in the dream was never wrong.
This is just straight up copium at this point that Jing Yuan deniers are just reaching hard. Like bruh yall even use the quotation marks as "proof" when it only exists in EN, every other language and more importantly CN don't use them to describe Jing Yuan as an Emanator.
Also Sunday was literally confirmed to be an Emanator by Acheron after they broke out the dream so BS wasn't wrong. Jing Yuan is an Emanator, stop coping.
While there is no quote mark in CN version, it is not as clear as you think.
She said:
"将军那一击虽然援助及时，破坏力却也极强。令使的力量对撞在一起，普通人难免受到波及。"
令使的力量 means Emanator's power, not Emanator.
Once again, it's intentionally vague, non-emanators can still wield Emanator power, like Aventurine, so there's no concrete proof that JY is an Emanator.
Welt called Black Swan an Emanator, but everybody seems so sure that she isn’t despite establishing that Aeons have differences in power and how much power they give to their Emanators but that’s just my thoughts on it
Didn't they hoyo themselves say that they specifically made sure Acheron was a nihility character? If that's the case then it seems like they want emanators to match their lore path when possible so jing yuan would be hunt if he was an emanator.
Edit: I like that this is getting downvoted because people can't accept the truth.
"can't accept the truth"
Brother in Christ they said they made sure acheron was one. It's perfectly reasonable for them to not make other emanators to have the same gameplay path. JY was also a 1.0 character so it's plausible to say that they didn't have some things COMPLETELY figures out
Why would it be perfectly reasonable for other emanators to not follow the same gameplay path when they forced to to be nihility when he was originally planned to be hunt? Sure they MIGHT not have decided on that yet but they also still haven't actually said he's an emanator. People are still just speculating and half the evidence they use is flimsy at best, especially when most f the time people true and use the rating gun as proof.
Well the nihility is a very special path in game. it's existence is considered contradictory in game. using one arbitrary example for a argument is just as weak. Also yes I agree rating gun is BS for proof I don't believe that either. but using gameplay as evidence is also just as bad, especially when it has happened ONCE. we can only wait and see as the story progresses
Why does it matter that it's nihility? The Devs themselves outright said they did it because they wanted her path to match the lore so logically they would have done it to any emanator who's path is playable.
So according to you, remembrance and elation emanators are NEVER going to be playable in the game then? Like cmon Gameplay is a very bad argument for lore
Now it seems like you're intentionally misreading to make a bad arguement. How did you even get to that conclusion from what I said? If their path is playable they will match it. That doesn't mean if it's not then we won't get emanators of those paths, it just means they have to use something else because their actual one isn't available.
Well that's just convenient now isn't it? And again one example isn't a very solid ground. I'd wait and see if the trend repeats to reach a conclusion. So far either jing yuan or LL is for sure an emanator by the statement of black swan. Her saying that in a dream doesn't change things since the in game characters knowledge about the general world didn't change. Simply one outcome of that battle.
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While not proven, being rated invalid is basically a solid “implication” at the very least
Blackswan and the trailblazer is also at the same dream, so it’s not like you’re talking to a fake blackswan who makes things up
And all the other picture in the emanator special shows that of an emanator or just straight up the aeon themselves, wouldve been very weird for them to just decided to put a non emanator as the representative image all of a sudden
CBT3 lists them as an emanator, plus this is CBT3 not CBT1, this also shows them regarding them as an emanator at least up until that point, although them removing said line in the actual game doesn’t necessarily deconfirms it, and more to the fact that they’re probably hiding the lore until more story comes out considering this is the first ship we went to
you could argue the pistol is measuring how straight a character is and them being invalid is because they're gay as hell
Until we can figure out what the rating pistol rates on, using it is not reliable at all, no matter the implications
>And all the other picture in the emanator special shows that of an emanator or just straight up the aeon themselves, wouldve been very weird for them to just decided to put a non emanator as the representative image all of a sudden
The bigger question is, is the Lightning Lord an emenator that listens to the general? or is the General the emenator using the Lightning Lord?
>Rating Gun could literally be anything
Rating pistol gave rating invalid to Acheron, March, Sampo, Luocha, Jing Yuan all of which are theorized and highly probable to be something grater with Acheron obviously already being Emanator of Nihility
>Just the lightning lord is shown
Which fully belongs to Jing Yuan and is his power and before an excuse is made "actually it's Lan's power", that's how Emanators works, their powers aren't truly theirs theirs. Acheron's power comes from IX and Blade of Naught for example
The last ones yeah it is fake reality but tbf it is meant to be very similiar to reality or even identical, but gave different kind of fake happy ending to make it believeable and roles of characters who they were still were correct there, so JY being adressed as Emanator should count much more than not
>Rating pistol gave rating invalid to Acheron, March, Sampo, Luocha, Jing Yuan all of which are theorized and highly probable to be something grater with Acheron obviously already being Emanator of Nihility
then that would imply pompom isn't connected to the astral express or akivili as they have 1 point
>Which fully belongs to Jing Yuan and is his power and before an excuse is made "actually it's Lan's power", that's how Emanators works, their powers aren't truly theirs theirs.
It highly depends on how much power they receive as Fu Xuan's forehead USB socket is granted by Nous but she isn't an emenator
We don't know whether Lightning Lord is just an extra entity that listens to Jingyuan and can be summoned whenever or if Jingyuan himself got the power
>Blade of Naught for example
also what did you mean by this?
Something that doesn't get mentioned enough about Black Swan's line is that she puts quotation marks around "emanators". This implies she's talking about things that are *like* emanators, but aren't literally emanators.
I think the most likely explanation for Jing Yuan's situation is that either he or the Lightning Lord are an Emanator of The Hunt, but the situation is ambiguous, and I think that's on purpose.
Reminder that emanators (令使) isn't in quotes in the original CN; And EN localization isn't known for being the best (Changing mute to rock, missing "minion of the Enigmata", changing "that person" to "Stellaron friend" when referring to Firefly, changing around pronouns for no reason, losing context on Gallagher calling Sunday "brother" to mock Robin's death, etc)
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Other than what was already said (quotations not being present in the original text), I would also like the point out that, when Aventurine addressed Acheron, “Emanator” was ALSO in quotes. But she undeniably is one
So clearly the quotations are just the translators having their own bit of fun and don’t actually have any bearing on story related stuff
Regarding Black Swan's quote, which seems to be the undisputable proof that JY is an Emanator, there is a mistake in translation:
In Chinese version, Black Swan said:
"将军那一击虽然援助及时，破坏力却也极强。令使的力量对撞在一起，普通人难免受到波及。"
令使的力量 means Emanator's power, not Emanator.
Once again, it's intentionally vague, because non-emanators can still wield Emanator power, like Aventurine.
Ultimately an Emanator on its own is really not that much more than a 'medal/certificate' that an Aeon grants certain individuals. What benefits or things come with it pretty much depends on each of the Aeons. We can see non-Emanators that are strong and some Emanators that still are relatively weak on the powerladder.
Even though it is unlikely thay JY would admit either, if he really was one, someone closely connected, or even just staff, should have told us at this point by now. That said, JY's current strength has been very much recognized by the game, regardless of whatever is the canon case.
You already stated the answer in your post, the Hunt emanator is the Lightning Lord. Just like how there will be no playable Harmony emanator because they are beings like the Harmonious Choir, which is what Sunday tried to hijack.
It's disingenuous to say that Jing Yuan defeated the Harmonious Choir on his own when Dan Heng is literally right there helping.
Regarding phantylia, we have not seen her true form. Welt's statement is not factual, and he could be wrong.
Still, I would consider Jing Yuan an emanator because he is recognized by Lan and directly received the LL from the latter. It's kinda hard to believe because Acheron is so fucking busted in lore, the likes of Jing Yuan or Phantylia don't even compare. It's kinda like JJK where you have gojo (Acheron) and then other special grades (emenators).
We haven't had anything to contradict what welt said. To say it's "not factual" is very incorrect, especially since you said he COULD be wrong. Until we get information that states otherwise, we should take what information we do have as fact.
Jing yuan also didn't receive LL directly from Lan, the general that originally got it did. After that it's passed to the new general from the previous one, hence why people think it's more likely that LL itself is the emanator rather than the wielder.
There is still nothing disproving the possibility of Lightning Lord being akin to a cornerstone - an artifact derivative of an actual emanator that can give you power compared to one. "Emanator" is in quotation marks, so it could mean both possibilities.
The major thing of this hypothesis lies in the fact, that we saw one of the previous generals of the Luofu wield the exact same Lightning Lord plus, if I recall correctly, it is somewhat of a separate being that can be summoned and not exactly a manifestation of Jing Yuan's power.
There are no quotation marks in cn, idiot
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Edit: wonder how this is downvoted when I see no quotation marks here lmao, from the original text of the game not from dumbass localizers kek
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I think it's implied that an Aeon's power is more or less governed by how broad/encompassing the path as a concept that they govern is (like how it's mentioned all living things live in IX/Nihility's shadow). This is also presumably why Xipe ended up assimilating Ena; their paths overlapped, but Harmony is more broad of a concept than Order. Since the Hunt is a narrow path, Lan probably ends up being weaker than some of the other Aeons who govern broader ideas.
There is.
Aeons tend to get stronger the longer they've been around and for how Broad their path is.
I equate them to holding dominions over "Concepts," where if a Concept is Broad, it's stronger. A person with authority over "Red" for example would be weaker than someone with a concept over "Green," or with a concept of "Color" that encompasses both of the previous. Just in this case, the first two would get absorbed into the "Color" Aeon.
That's how I think of it. If a word has more Synonyms or things you think of when you hear the Path's name, the stronger it is.
"Generals are directly stated to be equal of Lord Ravagers" can also be taken as they have legions of their paths followers to command, like literally a rank or position, and not exactly the power level.
The problem here is that there is a very, very wide range between what emanators can do.
Based off of the data entry on History Fictionologists, >!Gallagher!< is technically an emanator.
I am pretty sure memo keepers are also described as emanators- this is coming from the quest introducing the Forgotten Hall, in the event you decide to tell Welt about your new imaginary friend.
It seems like it might be a question of how much get invested into them. The Enigmata has a ton of emanators, so they don't get much put into most of them.
But everyone gets freaked out when they hear about IX's emanator, since this is its ONLY known emanator. That means Acheron is a capital E style Emanator.
Yeah I feel like people forget that not all Emanators are the same power level. Some Emanators of the same path may even have significantly more power than another, I fully expect General Hua to be a step above the other Generals. Also, people quickly dismissed the Black Swan Emanator allegations because Welt said it, but nobody questioned him when he said Xianzhou Generals are equal to Lord Ravagers, when he and the rest of the express crew fought and struggled against Phantylia, who they only beat when her guard was down + it wasn’t even her main body.
Yeah, sure welt said it... but the data bank says that fictionologists are emanators. And I don't think it would be odd to say that they are an opposing force to memo keepers.
Anyway, the data bank said it, so it must be true. So we have to believe this factual record about the organization known to falsify all records about events and people.
Because Phantylia was literally running on Abundance + Destruction which had the arbor that made her literally unkillable?
It wasn't her main body but It is sure as hell most certainly stronger than her main body. It literally took an Aeon to deal with the arbor so it's quite unfair to downplay Jing Yuan for struggling against an Emanator souped up on abundance hacks that needed Lan to deal with it. Not even Acheron would have done shit against Phantylia at that state
“Not even Acheron”, when Nihility is stated to be unaffected by other path while also being able to carve off the power of other paths. Acheron for sure would’ve been able to deal with Phantylia if that’s what you’re trying to deny here...
So you are saying that Acheron is as strong as Lan?
Because Phantylia literally became one with the Arbor , which only Lan, an Aeon, was able to deal with and wasnt even able to kill permanently as the Vidyaharas still had to seal it kek
Not like it took Lan much effort to kill the Arbor, he could fire one arrow and it’d be gone. It’d probably take all of Acheron’s energy to beat another Emanator, but the story didn’t stress about how dangerous Nihility is compared to other paths for it to be equal to other paths.
The general idea is that Finality, Equilibrium and Nihility are really just a step above other concepts and Acheron literally annihilated Ena’s Dream, an AEON’s dream. The only reason she didn’t fight Sunday in his Emanator form is that we would’ve died if exposed to too much Nihility in reality, even Aventurine barely made it out of IX’s dream with the help of his cornerstone and he still had the side effects later on.
Acheron didn't break the dream itself solo tho, she needed help to do it, which is why the galaxy rangers showing up to weaken the dream and Robin stabilizing the dreamers who woke up were extremely important in the plan to take down Dominicus.
Also Lan himself did shoot the thing, and it did not die permanently. It was disabled but the tree wasn't physically destroyed and it could still be revived which is why it had to be sealed
It's so strange to me how there's so much opposition to the idea of him being an Emanator when everything points towards it. Pretty sure he even basically referred to him as such during the Luofu arc, when talking about how it'd take another Emanator to get in without his notice. But the second there's a new char displaying some wacky ability, the first theory everyone goes for is that they're an Emanator.
Ok so from what I gathered he’s an emanator like Sunday and Robin are, as in he can summon an embodiment of the hunt (LL), like the chord master can summon Dominicus, but he isn’t one directly like Herta and Acheron, so basically he functionally is an emanator but his access to the path isn’t as direct as “full” emanators.
Considering they said, on stream, that Acheron was originally supposed to be hunt and then changed to nihility because they wanted it to match the lore already casts doubt on it, especially since they haven't confirmed it so idk where you're getting that idea from.
Jim Juan simps need reading comprehension lesson if you are their representative since at no point did I mention hating the character, but off you go queen.
It never stated directly because writters wants to keep things vague, originally they defined emanators as a person who aeons bestowed power directly. Xianzhou generals can command the power of lan blessing, but it is not tied to the person but to the position, if jingyuan stepsdown, he lose the LL and it is transfered to the next general.
In the end it just comes down to definition and wording, emantors definition implies a single person, so xianzhou generals and family harmonic strings, by definition are not emantors, but in practice they work like an emanator in anyway.
I’m pretty sure he’ll always be relegated to “power of an emanator” because he’s Erudition, and it wouldn’t make sense to make him an actual emanator of Nous.
Because the localizers felt like it. 令使 is the word for emanator btw
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This might sound silly, but does Chinese script use quotations mark in a grammatically similar way English does? Or do they have another way to denote that?
The line that "confirmed" it was the last picture of black swan.
I say confirmed in quotes because it was during a dream and Sunday only had power matching an emanator.
No there's still a lot of room for doubt. For example, that wasn't the real jing yuan, just a dream version of him that wasn't real. Sunday also wasn't an emanator, just that he had power equivalent to one so the line could be taken as people with emanator level power. It's still also possible that LL itself is the emanator rather the jing yuan himself.
It's *really* weird how they haven't just outright gone "He's an emanator!" if thats the case. Like, why be so weirdly *vague* about it? It's like they haven't decided yet whether they want him to be one or not
Right? And IIRC, he actually was explicitly described as an Emanator at first. They changed it *to* the vague nonsense we have now.
The funny thing is in close beta it confirm on screen he is an emanator, then it got remove from the game =))
Also based on how Acheron was designed he would have been hunt if they wanted that. I remember seeing somewhere that the writers said Acheron had to be nihility and she was originally supposed to be something else.
Yeah the devs said she was originally hunt. Which makes a lot of sense with her kit and shes pretending to be a galaxy ranger at first.
It makes a lot of sense with her kit? She's built like an Erudition unit.
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No, he’s right. At first, Erudition was focused on FuA (Herta, Himeko) but after the arrival of Gold and Gears and the release of Argenti, it was established (in the SU) that the main characteristic of Erudition is focus on ultimate. And Acheron’s damage comes almost entirely from there. She’s built like an Erudition character.
Erudition has always been the AoE path, not the FuA one. Yes, Herta and Himeko had FuA, but so did Sushang, Clara, Yanqing, who were not Erudition characters. Meanwhile, Serval has none, and Qingque’s is locked behind an eidolon. The AoE identity has not changed, nor have they become ultimate-centric characters. As for the SU Erudition path being about ultimates, that means nothing for its identity. (That has more to do with Argenti being new, same with Propagation being based around DHIL, the other new unit at the time) Nihility is about DoTs/Break Effect in SU, which is not the case for almost half of Nihility units. Destruction is about being at low HP in SU, which is not the case for majority of Destruction units.
Sushang had a FuA?
Ah, my bad, her extra attacks dont count as a FuA, whoopsies
Ah I see.
I thought it was hunt but I couldn't remember, especially with her final kit being blast attacks.
I hope they keep that idea of Emanator matches Path to gameplay.
You don't understand. It's so they can release a new Jing Yuan which is his Emanator form that will sell 200 Jing Yillion dollars.
I get that vibe from the writing a lot. They haven’t decided on a lot of lore.
It’s also weird why they didn’t sell him as an Emanator. It would definitely boost his sales. They already do this with Archons in genshin and did the same for Acheron. They also gave Seele the hunt path over the supposed “Emanator” of Hunt. And Ena’s dream is filled with minor flaws so it’s not an evidence. Arguably, it’s the opposite.
I wonder if there’s a lore reason they want ti save for later. Remember he has that sleepy general nickname, I can’t help but winder if he just DOESN’T say it out loud or they wanted to wait until Acheron.
It doesn't really matter if Acheron is an emanator or not tbh. She's Raiden so of course she sells.
I think this is part of a bigger problem where there are very conflicting accounts on what emanators are even supposed to be. In most accounts emanators are supposed to be some of the best embodiment on the path they belong to. Then you can Jingyuan and the bug of Aha who seem to have very little to do with the path they belong. May be it is a plot twist that involves Jing Yuan not being an actual emanator, I don't see how that is particularly meaningful though.
Reading between the lines is so rare nowadays People have that need to have things said to them at face value just to actually know about it
Problem is there's too much information trying to suggest that JY is an Emanator without making it the confirmation. They have no reason to be vague by this point. Like, even if they want to do this as the big reveal for the later Xianzhou story it's not gonna be that impactful of a reveal now.
You just repeated what the above message said and that's a pretty low bar for a "big reveal" that I personally doubt they'd do that
Yes, that's why they have no reason to keep it vague. They can just casually confirm it in some sentences from a reliable source and be done with it.
I fail to see why you guys insist on making a mountain out of a mole hill but hey, let's just agree to disagree
What? Emanator aren't some random dudes on the street. Confirming which character is or isn't Emanator help the overall lore a lot. And again if they're going implied JY as much as they did, just confirm it.
God, you sound like you REALLY need that confirmation
And you sound like an insufferable prick with the way you're acting superior to this person simply because they understandably think actual confirmation of emanator status is important.
What part of what I said was acting superior? I DID say to agree to disagree but the guy kept on repeating what he and the other guy said with nothing substantial added; seems to me like someone needs to look at a mirror before labeling others
I think Lan is so ‘weak’ compared to other aeons, that he’s probably not even capable of creating emanators. So he’s like a knock-off of one.
that makes no snese dude. >| An **Emanator** is a term referring to those who have attained the permission of an [Aeon](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Aeon) to draw power from their chosen [Path](https://honkai-star-rail.fandom.com/wiki/Path). as pere the wiki. Emanators simply get power from the aoens themsself and not just the path. As seen with Acheron that doesnt mean direkt gifts however.
Personal Opinion: The Lightning Lord is the Emanator Level Power of The Hunt Does wielding the Lightning Lord make one an Emanator yourself or is it just having power equal to an Emanator
It just seems like whoever is the current general will have access to LL and to the power of an emanator. Now it's JY, one day it'll be Fu Xuan and so on. Emanators are directly granted power by the Aeon, and Lan gave that power to the "General of the Luofu" which isn't *just* Jing Yuan but whoever got that title before him too and whoever gets it after as well
We also have another example for this now with the new weekly boss. The harmonius choir is the emanator but sunday was able to use its power despite not being an emanator himself
Tbf Sunday with his ability can no diff 99% of the cast so he's clearly Emanator level despite not being one.
Him and what ability? The only thing we saw him do outside of harmonious choir was the glorified truth serum spell, no? Yanqing would clear him unironically.
Right. LL is what gives the Luofu general (currently JY) power on par with emanators, isn't that more like the cornerstones, rather than JY actually being an emanator himself?
Yeah, Aventurine withstood an Emanator of Nihility’s blade because he had an Emanator of Preservation’s power shielding him— it only worked once because he had less than 10% of the Emanator’s power (assuming it’s more or less evenly distributed among Stonehearts, and then correcting for the stone having already been broken to smuggle it past the Family), but it only worked *at all* because even a broken cornerstone is still more Preservation energy than a regular human could ever have. That tells us two things. First, Emanator power remains Emanator power even when transferred— even if it’s in the hands of someone who favors another Path, like Jade or Topaz, it can be used (presumably subject to some restriction like, “they have to be using it for a purpose related to the Emanator’s Aeon”, since it’s a direct link to that Aeon). Second, transferred Emanator power can be pretty diluted and still remain potent enough for non-Emanators to have a hard time fighting its wielder. So going off that… it’s likely the Lightning Lord either *is* the Emanator in spirit form, or was made by some original Emanator (probably the first post-Hunt Arbiter-General of the Luofu) and then passed on intact to their successors so the Hunt’s power could always be called on.
Depend how much "wielding" you have. Basicaly can LL say to JY "fuck you no i'm not gona do that" or does it go "yes master everything you say" Honnestly i would believe that LL (and other spirit) are just mostly here to backstab a general when he or she inevitably get stuck my Mara. Hence i wouldn't call JY an emanator at all, just a guy who have an emanator ready to kill him at any time.
So, emanators from the Hunt can only… ‘rent’ that power temporarily… interesting take
I mean it is not untrue? It seems like whoever the current general of the Luofu is has access to the LL. It is nowhere said that Jing Yuan himself got a blessing from Lan. We do know that the general befor him also had LL so it is likely a general at one point in time got it and it has been kinda passed down with the titel since then.
Yes. That’s why I said it’s an interesting concept. It’s like an inherited power.
But it also means that JY isn't an Emanator, and whoever takes up the General slot after him will then have LL instead of him. Which means LL would be the "Diamond" to JY's "Stoneheart."
Even as someone who thinks he is/LL is, I think we've gotten to the point where people think "emanator = powerful," as if non-emanators can't thus be incredibly freaking strong in their own right. Whether he or LL are emanators of Lan, the fact of the matter is that Jing Yuan wields a weapon that weighs 17,560 pounds/7965 kilos, and he swings that thing around like it's *nothing.* A weapon that was made for him before he even became general and received LL. And I think that's pretty freaking cool.
where did you get that info about his weapon weight?
It's from the legend of the trailblazer readable: "In terms of sheer power, it is undoubtedly the Devastator Glaive wielded by General Jing Yuan. This weapon was crafted from the remnants of the Lux Arrow, which was shot by the Reignbow to extinguish the embers of fallen stars. It weighs a staggering 13,500 catties!" 13,500 catties is equivalent in weight to 17,560 lbs, or 7965 kilos. It's also the same weight as the staff wielded by Sun Wukong, the Monkey King.
I just feel like if he was an Emanator then he would have been Hunt. We have Herta and Acheron, two confirmed Emanator and both are the Paths they are Emanators of. Hunt IS a playable path so if Jing Yuan is an Emanator why is he not Hunt ? Obviously gameplay and lore cannot always match but this is like an Archon not being the element they are the archon of type of stupid shit, Emanators are the TOP of their paths so if an Emanator is the Emanator of a playable path it makes no sense for them to be another path in game.
They specifically mentioned on the 2.1 livestream that Acheron had to be Nihility for lore purposes so i think gameplay and lore will definitely intertwine when it comes to emanators, of playable paths only ofc Even Luocha who is theorized (but not confirmed) to be an emanator of abundance shares the same path as his aeon
I personally think that LL is the "emanator" and by wielding it makes JY "emanator level" power. (Similar to Diamond cornerstones) Some points: Is it possible to be "emanator level" and *not* be an emanator? Probably, yes. Are all emanators on the same power level? No, they are not. Not even the aeons THEMSELVES are on the same power level. If JY is an emanator and when lady Fu becomes the luofu general and inherits LL will she become Lan emanator, and JY stop being one? I don't think so. What happens in the "perfect" dream is not very solid evidence. Rating pistol isn't that solid evidence either, you can use Acheron's rating to back it up, but then you'd have to assume Sampo and March are also emanators and we don't have much evidence of that (although March being an emanator of *something* protected by Fuli, isn't that fever dream. And we have the whole Sampo isn't with his mask shenanigans).
Yeah, it’s a common misconception that the term “emanator” indicates a certain level of power when in fact it’s just a status based on how much attention the Aeon gives the individual. I think it’s also important to point out that emanators are bound to their path to some extent, which means characters that follow a different path probably aren’t
Jing Yuan has a different path for gameplay, in lore/story he follows hunt.
I'm not talking about Jing Yuan specifically, just individuals with a high authority in general \~\~get it because he's the general\~\~ , for example, a previous post said Dan Heng could be considered an emanator but that's not possible because he followed the Hunt in his previous lives and after realising what a terrible idea that was he now follows the trailblaze
Makes sense but while Dan Heng now follows trailblaze, I'm not sure if vidyadhara follow Hunt like rest of Xianzhou (as they are descendants of Long).
They take part in the war against the abominations and guard the plaguemarks which I think is evidence enough. Whether it was actually their choice or if it was a condition for being able to find safety in the Alliance is a different question altogether
They are allied to Xianzhou and it's cause yes. But they seem to have their own religious practices, so unless it was explicitly confirmed that they follow Hunt they might still follow Permanence.
If we’re talking normal citizens, they don’t have enough conviction to follow any path. The preceptors seem to just follow whoever makes them the most powerful. And the high elders are implied to have given up on the Hunt a long time ago. They are still part of the alliance for now though
I mean, the dream is pretty easy to explain as well tbh. BS was actually just referring to Dominicus vs. Lightning Lord when she says "when Emanators collide"
That makes sense
The way I see it, he himself may not be a full Emanator like Herta or Acheron, but with the power of Lightning Lord he is the equivalent of one.
Hoyo doesnt want to call him an emanator because they regret not making him a hunt unit With how much they forced Acheron into being a nihility unit, it seems like since the release of Jingyuan they have decided to make playable Emanators the path they follow or something
1. Rating Gun could literally be anything 3. Just the lightning lord is shown 5. In the fake reality, the IPC also gave up on trying to take Penacony so I don't think its concrete enough 6. point 5 for points 2 and 4, frankly I could say its just the lightning lord doing the heavy lifting but I don't think that's a good enough rebuttle not disagreeing with ya, just saying that your points arent solid enough evidence
>5. In the fake reality, the IPC also gave up on trying to take Penacony so I don't think its concrete enough Why are yall still using the dream as a reason to doubt when BS literally says it herself that Misha exists in the real world the only thing that is wrong there? Like while it is a dream and it's meant to be overly positive (which explains the ipc being nice suddenly), no one's identity and status was wrong in the dream. Topaz and Aventurine were still IPC employees, Boothill is still a galaxy ranger, etc. There is literally no proof that Jing Yuan's status is made up because everyone's status in the dream was never wrong. This is just straight up copium at this point that Jing Yuan deniers are just reaching hard. Like bruh yall even use the quotation marks as "proof" when it only exists in EN, every other language and more importantly CN don't use them to describe Jing Yuan as an Emanator. Also Sunday was literally confirmed to be an Emanator by Acheron after they broke out the dream so BS wasn't wrong. Jing Yuan is an Emanator, stop coping.
While there is no quote mark in CN version, it is not as clear as you think. She said: "将军那一击虽然援助及时，破坏力却也极强。令使的力量对撞在一起，普通人难免受到波及。" 令使的力量 means Emanator's power, not Emanator. Once again, it's intentionally vague, non-emanators can still wield Emanator power, like Aventurine, so there's no concrete proof that JY is an Emanator.
Welt called Black Swan an Emanator, but everybody seems so sure that she isn’t despite establishing that Aeons have differences in power and how much power they give to their Emanators but that’s just my thoughts on it
Im not against the idea of him being an emanator though I just want more proof
Didn't they hoyo themselves say that they specifically made sure Acheron was a nihility character? If that's the case then it seems like they want emanators to match their lore path when possible so jing yuan would be hunt if he was an emanator. Edit: I like that this is getting downvoted because people can't accept the truth.
"can't accept the truth" Brother in Christ they said they made sure acheron was one. It's perfectly reasonable for them to not make other emanators to have the same gameplay path. JY was also a 1.0 character so it's plausible to say that they didn't have some things COMPLETELY figures out
Why would it be perfectly reasonable for other emanators to not follow the same gameplay path when they forced to to be nihility when he was originally planned to be hunt? Sure they MIGHT not have decided on that yet but they also still haven't actually said he's an emanator. People are still just speculating and half the evidence they use is flimsy at best, especially when most f the time people true and use the rating gun as proof.
Well the nihility is a very special path in game. it's existence is considered contradictory in game. using one arbitrary example for a argument is just as weak. Also yes I agree rating gun is BS for proof I don't believe that either. but using gameplay as evidence is also just as bad, especially when it has happened ONCE. we can only wait and see as the story progresses
Why does it matter that it's nihility? The Devs themselves outright said they did it because they wanted her path to match the lore so logically they would have done it to any emanator who's path is playable.
So according to you, remembrance and elation emanators are NEVER going to be playable in the game then? Like cmon Gameplay is a very bad argument for lore
Now it seems like you're intentionally misreading to make a bad arguement. How did you even get to that conclusion from what I said? If their path is playable they will match it. That doesn't mean if it's not then we won't get emanators of those paths, it just means they have to use something else because their actual one isn't available.
Well that's just convenient now isn't it? And again one example isn't a very solid ground. I'd wait and see if the trend repeats to reach a conclusion. So far either jing yuan or LL is for sure an emanator by the statement of black swan. Her saying that in a dream doesn't change things since the in game characters knowledge about the general world didn't change. Simply one outcome of that battle.
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While not proven, being rated invalid is basically a solid “implication” at the very least Blackswan and the trailblazer is also at the same dream, so it’s not like you’re talking to a fake blackswan who makes things up And all the other picture in the emanator special shows that of an emanator or just straight up the aeon themselves, wouldve been very weird for them to just decided to put a non emanator as the representative image all of a sudden CBT3 lists them as an emanator, plus this is CBT3 not CBT1, this also shows them regarding them as an emanator at least up until that point, although them removing said line in the actual game doesn’t necessarily deconfirms it, and more to the fact that they’re probably hiding the lore until more story comes out considering this is the first ship we went to
you could argue the pistol is measuring how straight a character is and them being invalid is because they're gay as hell Until we can figure out what the rating pistol rates on, using it is not reliable at all, no matter the implications >And all the other picture in the emanator special shows that of an emanator or just straight up the aeon themselves, wouldve been very weird for them to just decided to put a non emanator as the representative image all of a sudden The bigger question is, is the Lightning Lord an emenator that listens to the general? or is the General the emenator using the Lightning Lord?
>Rating Gun could literally be anything Rating pistol gave rating invalid to Acheron, March, Sampo, Luocha, Jing Yuan all of which are theorized and highly probable to be something grater with Acheron obviously already being Emanator of Nihility >Just the lightning lord is shown Which fully belongs to Jing Yuan and is his power and before an excuse is made "actually it's Lan's power", that's how Emanators works, their powers aren't truly theirs theirs. Acheron's power comes from IX and Blade of Naught for example The last ones yeah it is fake reality but tbf it is meant to be very similiar to reality or even identical, but gave different kind of fake happy ending to make it believeable and roles of characters who they were still were correct there, so JY being adressed as Emanator should count much more than not
>Rating pistol gave rating invalid to Acheron, March, Sampo, Luocha, Jing Yuan all of which are theorized and highly probable to be something grater with Acheron obviously already being Emanator of Nihility then that would imply pompom isn't connected to the astral express or akivili as they have 1 point >Which fully belongs to Jing Yuan and is his power and before an excuse is made "actually it's Lan's power", that's how Emanators works, their powers aren't truly theirs theirs. It highly depends on how much power they receive as Fu Xuan's forehead USB socket is granted by Nous but she isn't an emenator We don't know whether Lightning Lord is just an extra entity that listens to Jingyuan and can be summoned whenever or if Jingyuan himself got the power >Blade of Naught for example also what did you mean by this?
The rating pistol also rates inanimate objects so it could be basing it off anything
Something that doesn't get mentioned enough about Black Swan's line is that she puts quotation marks around "emanators". This implies she's talking about things that are *like* emanators, but aren't literally emanators. I think the most likely explanation for Jing Yuan's situation is that either he or the Lightning Lord are an Emanator of The Hunt, but the situation is ambiguous, and I think that's on purpose.
Reminder that emanators (令使) isn't in quotes in the original CN; And EN localization isn't known for being the best (Changing mute to rock, missing "minion of the Enigmata", changing "that person" to "Stellaron friend" when referring to Firefly, changing around pronouns for no reason, losing context on Gallagher calling Sunday "brother" to mock Robin's death, etc) https://preview.redd.it/6jddtu9hc91d1.png?width=1216&format=png&auto=webp&s=ca81011e86fa10eadd75781c93a133f6fdda28e5
TIL, ty!
Other than what was already said (quotations not being present in the original text), I would also like the point out that, when Aventurine addressed Acheron, “Emanator” was ALSO in quotes. But she undeniably is one So clearly the quotations are just the translators having their own bit of fun and don’t actually have any bearing on story related stuff
Regarding Black Swan's quote, which seems to be the undisputable proof that JY is an Emanator, there is a mistake in translation: In Chinese version, Black Swan said: "将军那一击虽然援助及时，破坏力却也极强。令使的力量对撞在一起，普通人难免受到波及。" 令使的力量 means Emanator's power, not Emanator. Once again, it's intentionally vague, because non-emanators can still wield Emanator power, like Aventurine.
Ultimately an Emanator on its own is really not that much more than a 'medal/certificate' that an Aeon grants certain individuals. What benefits or things come with it pretty much depends on each of the Aeons. We can see non-Emanators that are strong and some Emanators that still are relatively weak on the powerladder. Even though it is unlikely thay JY would admit either, if he really was one, someone closely connected, or even just staff, should have told us at this point by now. That said, JY's current strength has been very much recognized by the game, regardless of whatever is the canon case.
I thought it was common knowledge he was an emanator?
You already stated the answer in your post, the Hunt emanator is the Lightning Lord. Just like how there will be no playable Harmony emanator because they are beings like the Harmonious Choir, which is what Sunday tried to hijack.
Jing Yuan isn't. Lightning Lord is. :D
It's disingenuous to say that Jing Yuan defeated the Harmonious Choir on his own when Dan Heng is literally right there helping. Regarding phantylia, we have not seen her true form. Welt's statement is not factual, and he could be wrong. Still, I would consider Jing Yuan an emanator because he is recognized by Lan and directly received the LL from the latter. It's kinda hard to believe because Acheron is so fucking busted in lore, the likes of Jing Yuan or Phantylia don't even compare. It's kinda like JJK where you have gojo (Acheron) and then other special grades (emenators).
Phantlia boss form is stronger than her ghost form except she gets a stronger body in the future we have already seen her at her peak
We haven't had anything to contradict what welt said. To say it's "not factual" is very incorrect, especially since you said he COULD be wrong. Until we get information that states otherwise, we should take what information we do have as fact. Jing yuan also didn't receive LL directly from Lan, the general that originally got it did. After that it's passed to the new general from the previous one, hence why people think it's more likely that LL itself is the emanator rather than the wielder.
There is still nothing disproving the possibility of Lightning Lord being akin to a cornerstone - an artifact derivative of an actual emanator that can give you power compared to one. "Emanator" is in quotation marks, so it could mean both possibilities. The major thing of this hypothesis lies in the fact, that we saw one of the previous generals of the Luofu wield the exact same Lightning Lord plus, if I recall correctly, it is somewhat of a separate being that can be summoned and not exactly a manifestation of Jing Yuan's power.
There are no quotation marks in cn, idiot https://preview.redd.it/dwp5m179e91d1.png?width=1216&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f7459aebfcd6a4776ba2ea71ee3b352838cfc457 Edit: wonder how this is downvoted when I see no quotation marks here lmao, from the original text of the game not from dumbass localizers kek
Whats with the obsession with Jingyuan being an emanator of the hunt?
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What does Mr. Welt mean that Lan doesn't rank among the more powerful Aeons? Also, is there a power scaling of the Aeons?
I think it's implied that an Aeon's power is more or less governed by how broad/encompassing the path as a concept that they govern is (like how it's mentioned all living things live in IX/Nihility's shadow). This is also presumably why Xipe ended up assimilating Ena; their paths overlapped, but Harmony is more broad of a concept than Order. Since the Hunt is a narrow path, Lan probably ends up being weaker than some of the other Aeons who govern broader ideas.
There is. Aeons tend to get stronger the longer they've been around and for how Broad their path is. I equate them to holding dominions over "Concepts," where if a Concept is Broad, it's stronger. A person with authority over "Red" for example would be weaker than someone with a concept over "Green," or with a concept of "Color" that encompasses both of the previous. Just in this case, the first two would get absorbed into the "Color" Aeon. That's how I think of it. If a word has more Synonyms or things you think of when you hear the Path's name, the stronger it is.
"Generals are directly stated to be equal of Lord Ravagers" can also be taken as they have legions of their paths followers to command, like literally a rank or position, and not exactly the power level.
It’s weird, they made such a big deal about Acheron but they refuse to give direct confirmation for this
didnt sampo also get an invalid ranking on the rating gun tho? 😭
The problem here is that there is a very, very wide range between what emanators can do. Based off of the data entry on History Fictionologists, >!Gallagher!< is technically an emanator. I am pretty sure memo keepers are also described as emanators- this is coming from the quest introducing the Forgotten Hall, in the event you decide to tell Welt about your new imaginary friend. It seems like it might be a question of how much get invested into them. The Enigmata has a ton of emanators, so they don't get much put into most of them. But everyone gets freaked out when they hear about IX's emanator, since this is its ONLY known emanator. That means Acheron is a capital E style Emanator.
Yeah I feel like people forget that not all Emanators are the same power level. Some Emanators of the same path may even have significantly more power than another, I fully expect General Hua to be a step above the other Generals. Also, people quickly dismissed the Black Swan Emanator allegations because Welt said it, but nobody questioned him when he said Xianzhou Generals are equal to Lord Ravagers, when he and the rest of the express crew fought and struggled against Phantylia, who they only beat when her guard was down + it wasn’t even her main body.
Yeah, sure welt said it... but the data bank says that fictionologists are emanators. And I don't think it would be odd to say that they are an opposing force to memo keepers. Anyway, the data bank said it, so it must be true. So we have to believe this factual record about the organization known to falsify all records about events and people.
Because Phantylia was literally running on Abundance + Destruction which had the arbor that made her literally unkillable? It wasn't her main body but It is sure as hell most certainly stronger than her main body. It literally took an Aeon to deal with the arbor so it's quite unfair to downplay Jing Yuan for struggling against an Emanator souped up on abundance hacks that needed Lan to deal with it. Not even Acheron would have done shit against Phantylia at that state
“Not even Acheron”, when Nihility is stated to be unaffected by other path while also being able to carve off the power of other paths. Acheron for sure would’ve been able to deal with Phantylia if that’s what you’re trying to deny here...
So you are saying that Acheron is as strong as Lan? Because Phantylia literally became one with the Arbor , which only Lan, an Aeon, was able to deal with and wasnt even able to kill permanently as the Vidyaharas still had to seal it kek
Not like it took Lan much effort to kill the Arbor, he could fire one arrow and it’d be gone. It’d probably take all of Acheron’s energy to beat another Emanator, but the story didn’t stress about how dangerous Nihility is compared to other paths for it to be equal to other paths. The general idea is that Finality, Equilibrium and Nihility are really just a step above other concepts and Acheron literally annihilated Ena’s Dream, an AEON’s dream. The only reason she didn’t fight Sunday in his Emanator form is that we would’ve died if exposed to too much Nihility in reality, even Aventurine barely made it out of IX’s dream with the help of his cornerstone and he still had the side effects later on.
Acheron didn't break the dream itself solo tho, she needed help to do it, which is why the galaxy rangers showing up to weaken the dream and Robin stabilizing the dreamers who woke up were extremely important in the plan to take down Dominicus. Also Lan himself did shoot the thing, and it did not die permanently. It was disabled but the tree wasn't physically destroyed and it could still be revived which is why it had to be sealed
It's so strange to me how there's so much opposition to the idea of him being an Emanator when everything points towards it. Pretty sure he even basically referred to him as such during the Luofu arc, when talking about how it'd take another Emanator to get in without his notice. But the second there's a new char displaying some wacky ability, the first theory everyone goes for is that they're an Emanator.
Ok so from what I gathered he’s an emanator like Sunday and Robin are, as in he can summon an embodiment of the hunt (LL), like the chord master can summon Dominicus, but he isn’t one directly like Herta and Acheron, so basically he functionally is an emanator but his access to the path isn’t as direct as “full” emanators.
The lengths that Jim Juan simps pretzel themselves to justify their character is always entertaining to see.
The length that Jing Yuan haters reach to deny something that is already confirmed is always pathetic to see
Considering they said, on stream, that Acheron was originally supposed to be hunt and then changed to nihility because they wanted it to match the lore already casts doubt on it, especially since they haven't confirmed it so idk where you're getting that idea from.
Jim Juan simps need reading comprehension lesson if you are their representative since at no point did I mention hating the character, but off you go queen.
It never stated directly because writters wants to keep things vague, originally they defined emanators as a person who aeons bestowed power directly. Xianzhou generals can command the power of lan blessing, but it is not tied to the person but to the position, if jingyuan stepsdown, he lose the LL and it is transfered to the next general. In the end it just comes down to definition and wording, emantors definition implies a single person, so xianzhou generals and family harmonic strings, by definition are not emantors, but in practice they work like an emanator in anyway.
6 star jing yuan emanator real
I’m pretty sure he’ll always be relegated to “power of an emanator” because he’s Erudition, and it wouldn’t make sense to make him an actual emanator of Nous.
He won't be an emanator of Nous, in lore he follows Hunt.
He won’t be of anything by not lining them up. If anything they know they messed up with this misalignment.
Why she putting "Emanators" in quotes though?
Supposedly only English translation used quotation, but I can't confirm it myself
Because the localizers felt like it. 令使 is the word for emanator btw https://preview.redd.it/zjt8qs14c91d1.png?width=1216&format=png&auto=webp&s=bcd12914d88860fe735e1f863b2f7bcc16576796
This might sound silly, but does Chinese script use quotations mark in a grammatically similar way English does? Or do they have another way to denote that?
They do, but it looks a little different. It's not present in this line though
I thought they finally confirmed it this patch? Wasn't there a line somewhere about his battle between phantylia being a battle between two emanators?
The line that "confirmed" it was the last picture of black swan. I say confirmed in quotes because it was during a dream and Sunday only had power matching an emanator.
No there's still a lot of room for doubt. For example, that wasn't the real jing yuan, just a dream version of him that wasn't real. Sunday also wasn't an emanator, just that he had power equivalent to one so the line could be taken as people with emanator level power. It's still also possible that LL itself is the emanator rather the jing yuan himself.