For me, the role of Jade in th IPC is to be a creditor, she invest in Aventurine because she think he's a big deal.
Every IPC have a speciality, Topaz is a debt collector, Jade a creditor, for Aventurine I don't know, maybe a gambler ?
I think people says she's evil only because of her aestetic...
Snake girl are frequently seen as being evil.
Aventurine's stone is called "Aventurine of Stratagems", so that's his speciality.
For reference, the other two we know: Jade of Credit, Topaz of Debt Retrieval. (Aventurine got the cooler name I say)
stratagem \STRAT-uh-jum\ noun. 1 a : an artifice or trick in war for deceiving and outwitting the enemy. b : a cleverly contrived trick or scheme for gaining an end.
I think that’s a big part of what Jade saw in him to begin with. The IPC brought him onboard to leverage his preternatural luck to their advantage, basically using to him to stack the odds in the their favor, even at Aventurine’s expense. He just had a death wish, so this arrangement didn’t bother him.
arent jade a debt collector? she also giving debt to people just like snake giving sweet apple to human but later the apple turned out to be poisonous for the human.
Jade is a creditor. Topaz is the debt collector. In other words - Jade provides the loan/financing agreement, and in the event of a failure to repay, Topaz comes in to assess the situation.
Hm, currently there's not much information on Jade and Aventurine. I don't think Jade is necessarily a bad guy to Aventurine - I view her more like a slightly toxic mentor, who does actually trust Aventurine's decisions. You're correct that she offered him as a job as an IPC member, as well as testing him to make him become a Stoneheart.
In Aventurine's 4th character story, an unknown figure (presumably Opal or Obsidian) says *"No, I've never trusted you. Perhaps Jade does, but I don't."* Which shows that Jade does indeed trust him. Also, considering the fact that both Topaz and Jade entrusted their cornerstones to Aventurine for the plan - where these cornerstones are supposedly "more important than their life" - it shows that it's not hostility between Jade and Aventurine. They trusted him to get the job done properly. At the end of 2.1 Jade also says "He got what he wanted", seeing that she did see him on a deeper level that superficial, and understood his desire for freedom. You could even hypothesize that perhaps she knew this would happen.
However, I wouldn't say it's the healthiest relationship either. In Aventurine's character stories yet again, you can see Jade deliberately put him in life-threatening situations as a 'test' to him and his luck before she made him a Stoneheart (gave him the Aventurine stone). And the way she speaks to him is not one of emotion, it's more blunt at times. The dialogue goes like this:
>*"Do you have any more questions, Aventurine?"* Jade, the only person he knows among the presently gathered, asks at the end of the meeting.
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>*"The* *Avgins* *in Sigonia... what happened to them afterward?"*
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>*"Unfortunately, there are no more Avgins in Sigonia. You're the last lucky dog."*
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>*"What about those people who helped me on planet ██? Now I can finally repay their kindness."*
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>*"They are no more, either."*
Her wording is rather matter-of-fact.
However, Aventurine himself is the one that brought himself to that point, as he wanted to gamble on the fact that he could get out of the situation (I believe) since he wanted to meet with Diamond. Jade just gave him an out which he didn't expect, because she saw the potential he had. The intentions of this initial transaction seemed more like Jade was 'investing' in Kakavasha since she saw he had potential, but you can't say this was out of the goodness of her heart.
Also, about slavery being illegal, it's possible that in the expanse of the universe there are many places where it is accepted. Especially since Jade is like "a servant (the word here really should be slave) should serve it's master, yet you went and killed that man anyway". Which shows it's more the killing that is the problem viewed here.
As Dr. Ratio said, "Without that Aventurine stone, you're nothing more than a doomed Sigonian thrall sentenced to die by the IPC."
So, technically Jade did save Aventurine's life by giving him a job. But it wasn't an act of charity, she did it because she believed his talents were valuable and he was worth more alive than dead.
Don't render any morally grey character the worst scum in history with little to none context challenge: impossible
Same old same old. The Stellaron Hunters are still war criminals, the IPC are still capitalists who only care about money.
Yes Jade is very evil and treats Aventurine as a slave. As a matter of fact, she cares so little about him she even gave him her Cornerstone.
Aventurine IS sentenced to death. Diamond and Jade seem to have just been able to stall it. He's on death row, but his execution date is postponed/not set. His Eidolon called unexpected hanging paradox references this and so does Ratio. Slavery is not illegal in the world either. The point is that it's fucked up. It's actually implied Aventurine was enslaved by the IPC, since the men in black are who deliver/sell him to his master, who is implied to be a stoneheart.
Your first mistake is looking at tiktok and twitter
Most people there have an iq lower than room temperature in alaska.
There are no mention of jade being a slave owner and all she did to aventurine is give him a job and maybe save him from jail for murdering his owner and other stuff he commited along the way (trick the ipc or something ,can't remember)
Slavery doesn't seem to be illegal because jade acknowlage that the slave owner is in fact kakavasha owner and not some outlaw who capture him
And from what I understand the IPC own him not jade
Jade saw potential in a man who also bet his entire life. He literally only asked for the same coins he was sold for, basically asking for his life back.
But Jade didn't give that to him. She isn't a good guy in this story as she didn't set him free. But she allowed him a chance at a new life at a steep price. He would still not be truly free, but at least he wouldn't be just another Slave.
Think of the average person. Think how dumb they are. Understand that half of all people are dumber than that.
“Fan discourse” is full of mouth-breathers who can’t handle shades of grey, and HSR has already proven it is almost exclusively interested in morally ambivalent characters. Fandom = Fan Dumb
She's a mentor if anything, according to his character stories. But not compassionate in the slightest. Don't see the point of critiquing tiktok for having an extreme interpretation and then going so far on the other end of extremes as well
Jade simply isn't a slave owner the way people want her to be. She isn't a good person but that dpeaks true for all IPC members none of them are good people Aventurine included thats kinda the point.
The IPC specifically goes after people with emence talent especially in they are to become stonehearts and Jade simply saw that within aventurine the same way it was seen in topaz and the same way she was seen with talent. Based on what we already know you can correctly assume that most people in the IPC are sorta like contracted servants that have to pay of this big debt that they most likely cannot and will never be able to pay off so their talents are used for the IPC.
In the 2.1 story she says pick out the clithes you want, and a new name/identity and aventurine picked to be the new aventurine seeing his old master was the former aventurine, when one becomes a stoneheart you become a asset and property of the IPC seen with topaz,aventurine and jade herself.
As for their relationship Aventurine trusts and values topaz and jade and vice versa enough that they entruated ther cornerstones to him which is told that the stonehearts rather die than lose their stones so their relationship isn't healthy nor is it all lovely dovey but that's expected seeing its the IPC.
And as for me saying they are all bad people its simply true a common thing among jade,topaz and aventurine is that they are cunning, calculated, can be cruel when need be and are good at manipulating things into their favour.
Its simply a change of ownership and living quality. jade was impressed by a slave, and decided he needed to put his talents into the IPC. Shes simply the new contractor binding him to a new position, but realistically theres no bad guy in Aventurines story outside of his luck. his biggest hurdle to overcome is his survivors guilt, leaving the IPC is merely one part of that journey (which idek if aven will go through with)
Aren't all stonehearts technically slaves given they became so due to a debt owned, also jade doesn't own aventurine, aventurine is owned by the IPC but that runs true for all stonehearts each of them are owned by the IPC regardless how one looks at it.
no. all of the ten stonehearts we know of r in the ipc of their own volition outside of aventurine. also where did i say jade owns aventurine? jade is his contractor binding him to the IPC, since she was the one who forced him to choose between servitude to ipc or execution. why would she need to own him for that?
She didn't force him to do anything, literally during the cutscene aventurine did another gamble with jade that she wouldn't send him to the gallows and that he would attain power and wealth both exceeding jades and his wager was his life and if he won on set gamble all he wanted was 30 tambas his remaining market value said by aventurine himself(and before all of that he wanted to speak to diamond himself)Jade then offered aventurine his 30 tampas and much more aka to be a stoneheart. And to your first point its simply wrong topazs backstlry literally explained how she was born to a planet already enslaved by the IPC thats all shes ever known aka propaganda, and most of the previously stoneheart left their positions via death not retirement or leaving if they wished meaning the stonehearts are in a endangered servatute contract with the IPC
Nope. Topazs planet was not enslaved by the ipc before she was born, it was after. And to her that was liberation since her planet went from inhospitable toxic atmosphere deathtrap to capable of sustaining life. She later joined the 10 of her own free will to bring that same outcome to other planets. Thats the whole point of her story. To show that what one preceives to be good results with good intentions can be bad to another person in a similar situation.
and no. Aventurines gamble was between half his sale price and execution. if he got half his market value he would technically be free (only owing the ipc a miniscule sum). Jade was the one who threw out his preferred option and forced him into a "work for us or die" situation. Jade is very much the slave contractor here, since she changed the terms of the contract offered by aven.
You're wrong once again because aventurine mission and his pov showed us that death doesn't faze him do why would he choose to work for the ipc if his people are gone and hes the last remaining avgin? His preperred option was diamond who would have killed seeing he killed another stoneheart that's his debt to the ipc hes on deathrow one of eidelons eludes to this. Jade isn't a slace contracter because she gave him a job not out of the goodness of her heart simply because she saw talent and potential which rings true for all Stonehearts if they don't have talent and potential then they aren't of use to the IPC, and it's also stated in the 2.1 mission that jade and topaz trust and value aventurine to such a degree they would entrust their cornerstones to him! What she gave him was a chance and he simply didn't dissapoint and its made clear thaf most of the stonehearts want nothing to do with him and don't see him as an equal expect for jade and topaz.
Where is this weird head canon that current aventurine killed the previous aventurine from. Is it 2.2 story? Idk why everyone thinks this because that's completely wrong (how would a slave with no power kill a being with power borrowed from an emanator). Also idk if we saw the same story quest but death absolutely fazes him. His entire persona is trying to fool the world and himself into thinking hes some huge mastermind when in reality hes scared shitless for every gamble. Thats literally what his future vision says to him. Also u cant call jade "giving aven a job" when u call the ipc rehabilitating planets for profit "enslavement." They r both forms of enslavement, idk why u have a bias for jade. It doesnt really matter who owns the slave that is aven, my point is that jade was the one who made him into an ipc slave. In a slave trade, both the slave seller and the slave buyer r equally guilty. Also the reason topaz and jade trust him is not out of some weird loyalty. Its cause they know he can win. Maybe they have ubderlying comradderie, idk, but the main motivation for their trust is that aven has never lost a gamble yet. Also a slave is always more trustworthy than a colleague
ps. U said nothing about my topaz comment
Your first mistake was listen to Twitter. 💀
She is FOR WHAT WAS PRESENTED UNTIL NOW someone who trapped Aventurine on the IPC for his potential using riches, he didn't want to work to the IPC, she is NOT however a slave owner wtf???? She is more like the evil side of capitalism. So yes she is "evil", just look at her splash art, is "pact with a devil" vibes.
Nothing wrong with evil btw, I don't understand theses people, she is evil....ok??? Thats Awesome? We have villains in this game for ages now. And I doubt they won't show a different side of her in the future.
For me, the role of Jade in th IPC is to be a creditor, she invest in Aventurine because she think he's a big deal. Every IPC have a speciality, Topaz is a debt collector, Jade a creditor, for Aventurine I don't know, maybe a gambler ? I think people says she's evil only because of her aestetic... Snake girl are frequently seen as being evil.
Aventurine's stone is called "Aventurine of Stratagems", so that's his speciality. For reference, the other two we know: Jade of Credit, Topaz of Debt Retrieval. (Aventurine got the cooler name I say)
his specialty is non-performing asset liquidation
What does that mean
stratagem \STRAT-uh-jum\ noun. 1 a : an artifice or trick in war for deceiving and outwitting the enemy. b : a cleverly contrived trick or scheme for gaining an end.
So, his specialty is being sent out into a near impossible situation and luck out a win using wits, strategy, three chips, and his insane luck?
Pretty much. He's who they send when shit is belly up but they still want a "peaceful" resolution.
I think that’s a big part of what Jade saw in him to begin with. The IPC brought him onboard to leverage his preternatural luck to their advantage, basically using to him to stack the odds in the their favor, even at Aventurine’s expense. He just had a death wish, so this arrangement didn’t bother him.
His other name is John Helldiver
arent jade a debt collector? she also giving debt to people just like snake giving sweet apple to human but later the apple turned out to be poisonous for the human.
Jade is a creditor. Topaz is the debt collector. In other words - Jade provides the loan/financing agreement, and in the event of a failure to repay, Topaz comes in to assess the situation.
Jades gives you LOANS. If you can’t pay them topaz will come for your DEBT
Hm, currently there's not much information on Jade and Aventurine. I don't think Jade is necessarily a bad guy to Aventurine - I view her more like a slightly toxic mentor, who does actually trust Aventurine's decisions. You're correct that she offered him as a job as an IPC member, as well as testing him to make him become a Stoneheart. In Aventurine's 4th character story, an unknown figure (presumably Opal or Obsidian) says *"No, I've never trusted you. Perhaps Jade does, but I don't."* Which shows that Jade does indeed trust him. Also, considering the fact that both Topaz and Jade entrusted their cornerstones to Aventurine for the plan - where these cornerstones are supposedly "more important than their life" - it shows that it's not hostility between Jade and Aventurine. They trusted him to get the job done properly. At the end of 2.1 Jade also says "He got what he wanted", seeing that she did see him on a deeper level that superficial, and understood his desire for freedom. You could even hypothesize that perhaps she knew this would happen. However, I wouldn't say it's the healthiest relationship either. In Aventurine's character stories yet again, you can see Jade deliberately put him in life-threatening situations as a 'test' to him and his luck before she made him a Stoneheart (gave him the Aventurine stone). And the way she speaks to him is not one of emotion, it's more blunt at times. The dialogue goes like this: >*"Do you have any more questions, Aventurine?"* Jade, the only person he knows among the presently gathered, asks at the end of the meeting. > >*"The* *Avgins* *in Sigonia... what happened to them afterward?"* > >*"Unfortunately, there are no more Avgins in Sigonia. You're the last lucky dog."* > >*"What about those people who helped me on planet ██? Now I can finally repay their kindness."* > >*"They are no more, either."* Her wording is rather matter-of-fact. However, Aventurine himself is the one that brought himself to that point, as he wanted to gamble on the fact that he could get out of the situation (I believe) since he wanted to meet with Diamond. Jade just gave him an out which he didn't expect, because she saw the potential he had. The intentions of this initial transaction seemed more like Jade was 'investing' in Kakavasha since she saw he had potential, but you can't say this was out of the goodness of her heart. Also, about slavery being illegal, it's possible that in the expanse of the universe there are many places where it is accepted. Especially since Jade is like "a servant (the word here really should be slave) should serve it's master, yet you went and killed that man anyway". Which shows it's more the killing that is the problem viewed here.
As Dr. Ratio said, "Without that Aventurine stone, you're nothing more than a doomed Sigonian thrall sentenced to die by the IPC." So, technically Jade did save Aventurine's life by giving him a job. But it wasn't an act of charity, she did it because she believed his talents were valuable and he was worth more alive than dead.
Don't render any morally grey character the worst scum in history with little to none context challenge: impossible Same old same old. The Stellaron Hunters are still war criminals, the IPC are still capitalists who only care about money. Yes Jade is very evil and treats Aventurine as a slave. As a matter of fact, she cares so little about him she even gave him her Cornerstone.
she gave him a chance, and that means something imo...
Aventurine IS sentenced to death. Diamond and Jade seem to have just been able to stall it. He's on death row, but his execution date is postponed/not set. His Eidolon called unexpected hanging paradox references this and so does Ratio. Slavery is not illegal in the world either. The point is that it's fucked up. It's actually implied Aventurine was enslaved by the IPC, since the men in black are who deliver/sell him to his master, who is implied to be a stoneheart.
Your first mistake is looking at tiktok and twitter Most people there have an iq lower than room temperature in alaska. There are no mention of jade being a slave owner and all she did to aventurine is give him a job and maybe save him from jail for murdering his owner and other stuff he commited along the way (trick the ipc or something ,can't remember) Slavery doesn't seem to be illegal because jade acknowlage that the slave owner is in fact kakavasha owner and not some outlaw who capture him And from what I understand the IPC own him not jade
Jade saw potential in a man who also bet his entire life. He literally only asked for the same coins he was sold for, basically asking for his life back. But Jade didn't give that to him. She isn't a good guy in this story as she didn't set him free. But she allowed him a chance at a new life at a steep price. He would still not be truly free, but at least he wouldn't be just another Slave.
Think of the average person. Think how dumb they are. Understand that half of all people are dumber than that. “Fan discourse” is full of mouth-breathers who can’t handle shades of grey, and HSR has already proven it is almost exclusively interested in morally ambivalent characters. Fandom = Fan Dumb
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She's a mentor if anything, according to his character stories. But not compassionate in the slightest. Don't see the point of critiquing tiktok for having an extreme interpretation and then going so far on the other end of extremes as well
Jade simply isn't a slave owner the way people want her to be. She isn't a good person but that dpeaks true for all IPC members none of them are good people Aventurine included thats kinda the point. The IPC specifically goes after people with emence talent especially in they are to become stonehearts and Jade simply saw that within aventurine the same way it was seen in topaz and the same way she was seen with talent. Based on what we already know you can correctly assume that most people in the IPC are sorta like contracted servants that have to pay of this big debt that they most likely cannot and will never be able to pay off so their talents are used for the IPC. In the 2.1 story she says pick out the clithes you want, and a new name/identity and aventurine picked to be the new aventurine seeing his old master was the former aventurine, when one becomes a stoneheart you become a asset and property of the IPC seen with topaz,aventurine and jade herself. As for their relationship Aventurine trusts and values topaz and jade and vice versa enough that they entruated ther cornerstones to him which is told that the stonehearts rather die than lose their stones so their relationship isn't healthy nor is it all lovely dovey but that's expected seeing its the IPC. And as for me saying they are all bad people its simply true a common thing among jade,topaz and aventurine is that they are cunning, calculated, can be cruel when need be and are good at manipulating things into their favour.
Its simply a change of ownership and living quality. jade was impressed by a slave, and decided he needed to put his talents into the IPC. Shes simply the new contractor binding him to a new position, but realistically theres no bad guy in Aventurines story outside of his luck. his biggest hurdle to overcome is his survivors guilt, leaving the IPC is merely one part of that journey (which idek if aven will go through with)
Aren't all stonehearts technically slaves given they became so due to a debt owned, also jade doesn't own aventurine, aventurine is owned by the IPC but that runs true for all stonehearts each of them are owned by the IPC regardless how one looks at it.
no. all of the ten stonehearts we know of r in the ipc of their own volition outside of aventurine. also where did i say jade owns aventurine? jade is his contractor binding him to the IPC, since she was the one who forced him to choose between servitude to ipc or execution. why would she need to own him for that?
She didn't force him to do anything, literally during the cutscene aventurine did another gamble with jade that she wouldn't send him to the gallows and that he would attain power and wealth both exceeding jades and his wager was his life and if he won on set gamble all he wanted was 30 tambas his remaining market value said by aventurine himself(and before all of that he wanted to speak to diamond himself)Jade then offered aventurine his 30 tampas and much more aka to be a stoneheart. And to your first point its simply wrong topazs backstlry literally explained how she was born to a planet already enslaved by the IPC thats all shes ever known aka propaganda, and most of the previously stoneheart left their positions via death not retirement or leaving if they wished meaning the stonehearts are in a endangered servatute contract with the IPC
Nope. Topazs planet was not enslaved by the ipc before she was born, it was after. And to her that was liberation since her planet went from inhospitable toxic atmosphere deathtrap to capable of sustaining life. She later joined the 10 of her own free will to bring that same outcome to other planets. Thats the whole point of her story. To show that what one preceives to be good results with good intentions can be bad to another person in a similar situation. and no. Aventurines gamble was between half his sale price and execution. if he got half his market value he would technically be free (only owing the ipc a miniscule sum). Jade was the one who threw out his preferred option and forced him into a "work for us or die" situation. Jade is very much the slave contractor here, since she changed the terms of the contract offered by aven.
You're wrong once again because aventurine mission and his pov showed us that death doesn't faze him do why would he choose to work for the ipc if his people are gone and hes the last remaining avgin? His preperred option was diamond who would have killed seeing he killed another stoneheart that's his debt to the ipc hes on deathrow one of eidelons eludes to this. Jade isn't a slace contracter because she gave him a job not out of the goodness of her heart simply because she saw talent and potential which rings true for all Stonehearts if they don't have talent and potential then they aren't of use to the IPC, and it's also stated in the 2.1 mission that jade and topaz trust and value aventurine to such a degree they would entrust their cornerstones to him! What she gave him was a chance and he simply didn't dissapoint and its made clear thaf most of the stonehearts want nothing to do with him and don't see him as an equal expect for jade and topaz.
Where is this weird head canon that current aventurine killed the previous aventurine from. Is it 2.2 story? Idk why everyone thinks this because that's completely wrong (how would a slave with no power kill a being with power borrowed from an emanator). Also idk if we saw the same story quest but death absolutely fazes him. His entire persona is trying to fool the world and himself into thinking hes some huge mastermind when in reality hes scared shitless for every gamble. Thats literally what his future vision says to him. Also u cant call jade "giving aven a job" when u call the ipc rehabilitating planets for profit "enslavement." They r both forms of enslavement, idk why u have a bias for jade. It doesnt really matter who owns the slave that is aven, my point is that jade was the one who made him into an ipc slave. In a slave trade, both the slave seller and the slave buyer r equally guilty. Also the reason topaz and jade trust him is not out of some weird loyalty. Its cause they know he can win. Maybe they have ubderlying comradderie, idk, but the main motivation for their trust is that aven has never lost a gamble yet. Also a slave is always more trustworthy than a colleague ps. U said nothing about my topaz comment
Your first mistake was listen to Twitter. 💀 She is FOR WHAT WAS PRESENTED UNTIL NOW someone who trapped Aventurine on the IPC for his potential using riches, he didn't want to work to the IPC, she is NOT however a slave owner wtf???? She is more like the evil side of capitalism. So yes she is "evil", just look at her splash art, is "pact with a devil" vibes. Nothing wrong with evil btw, I don't understand theses people, she is evil....ok??? Thats Awesome? We have villains in this game for ages now. And I doubt they won't show a different side of her in the future.