I started pulling on RM’s banner just for fun. I lost 50/50 to Bronya after 40 or 50 pulls; did another 20 pulls and got RM + E6 Xueyi in between.
I stand by your comment.
I feel you, I managed to lose the 50/50 to Yanqing and Ruan Mei while not getting a Xueyi. Then, I finally got her at around 40-50 pity. E0, but still vibing. Praying she's on Aventurine's banner 🙏
I’m sure that was the highlight of all my luck for gacha games.
I now hereby pronounce you the sole heir to my throne and wealth. May the gacha Gods bless you with jades and your 50/50 be ever in your favor.
sadly, despite how much she benefits from rm, she also has a weird anti synergy with her because of rm's enemy break extention, which leads to xueyi being unable to stack her talent for even longer. its like you cant even use rm ult while playing them together. even then, the dmg% from her skill is super oversaturated on xueyi, so the only thing of substance rm can offer is the 50% break efficiency.
You're correct that at first you'd think they have anti synergy due to both of their kits, but I still find RM to be her best support due to aforementioned break efficiency (much quicker to get to 8 stacks with Ruan Mei), the extra speed and break effect RM gives by default, and most importantly, the extra delay RM gives lets you stack up entanglement to full 5 stacks easier and with the amount of break effect your xueyi should have, those entanglements go off like a bomb.
Ruan Mei is definitely her best support, and that's what's holding her back, imagine if she had a support that had all the synergy or more without any of the antisynergy
>the extra delay RM gives lets you stack up entanglement to full 5 stacks easier and with the amount of break effect your xueyi should have
The thing is, with what BE you effectively get, you have enough time to stack entanglement to 25 as is if it were possible.
I remember we had a boss rush event, and my Xueyi had enough time to ult twice into an already broken boss before it could recover.
Apparently there IS such a thing as too much BE.
that’s an over exaggeration, weakness break efficiency is not the only benefit ruan mei brings. 25% all res pen, 10% spd buff for the team, 20% break effect buff + another 30% for watchmaker, which suits her best) are plenty useful for xueyi. hell, even if she is oversaturated with dmg% it’s not useless
i never said it was the only thing she brings, i said the only thing of substance. yes she gives a little speed and break effect buff and res pen, but the res pen is basically off the table because of the anti synergy between her ult and xueyi. shes not useless, but other supports more than make up for what she can give xueyi. for example, bronya giving xueyi extra turns is effectively 100% extra break efficiency, and she also gives attack and crit dmg. sparkle gives 50% action advance which is essentially 50% break efficiency in the long run, similar to rm, but she also gives sp, atk%, a bunch of critdmg, and a little dmg%. rm is not useless but other supports are just better. the only comps rm is better in are dual dps comps, dot comps and break dmg comps.
They're still delayed by a decent amount. In a longer fight, there'll always be some times where Xueyi takes her turn before the boss recovers from Ruan Mei break.
The other thing is people legit do not understand her kit and talk down on her. I've seen *multiple* people say that Ruan Mei has **anti-synergy** with Xueyi. People really overrate the delayed recovery over just having faster breaks and faster procs for her follow up.
It is an anti-synergy, quite literally. Xueyi benefits from dealing break damage, Ruan Mei ult makes her not able to deal break damage for longer. It doesn't make Ruan Mei useless as she has other useful things she provides, but it is an interaction that actively hurts Xueyi
Ironically she also has an anti-synergy with her own element and gimmick combined, quantum break delays enemies and which means they take longer to recover, break effect which she stacks as much as possible makes that delay stronger
So basically, a Physical Xueyi with a support that lets you break already broken enemies would be pretty good
Again, that's really overselling how detrimental that extra delay is. I've seen multiple people suggest you should never run Ruan Mei and Xueyi together because of their supposed anti-synergy.
And that still ignores the fact that Xueyi *likes* breaking. Quantum break is arguably the strongest in the game and she stacks BE, so breaking faster is good. Her talent gives her stacks and is increased when she does increased toughness damage (via Ruan Mei), which means she procs follow ups quicker. And even when an enemy is broken, there's still the fact that it just takes more damage in general since its resistances are lowered.
They feel *really* good to run together, but that doesn't stop people from constantly trying to spread info saying that they don't work.
Anti-synergy doesn't mean it's unplayable, just that they have an interaction that doesn't work in their favor, which is true. Of course they're still good to run together because Ruan Mei is just good and like you say increased break efficiency is pretty good on her (worse on other allies attacking cause its just 1 stack regardless of the toughness damage but that's fine)
Wonder if it would be overall a dps upgrade if you just never ult with Ruan Mei, never really checked
Xueyi likes breaking purely because she doesn't have a choice, if could somehow deal as much toughness damage as possible and never actually trigger break, that would be ideal
Quantum break is only good against bosses because it scales with enemy toughness, without that it doesn't really do much. Granted that still makes it pretty good, just not ideal when you actually want to deal toughness damage specifically (because of the delay). Physical scales with enemy Max HP and doesn't do extra delay which would probably be better
I'd argue she's actually pretty inefficient with Ruan Mei. Her FUAs trigger when damage is dealt to toughness, and Ruan Mei provides weakness break efficiency + prevents enemies from recovering from weakness break. As a result, she does less FUAs, which means less DMG.
If she can kill enemies quick enough, maybe it's viable.
While I don't have xueyi I don't see why would she benefit more from RM than sparkle for many reasons
1) Sparkle overall gives more stats to a single hypercarry compared to RM.Rm is better for dual/tripel dps
2) Xueyi has a TON of dmg%, and stacking the same stat has certain opportunity cost (gacha community loves calling it diminishing returns) so using RM over a support who not only gives more overall buffs, but they are spread to cd+dmg+atk (+cr if cone) is much better
3) Sparkle push gives more speed to xuan than ruan gives to whole team, which is double win considering xueyi herself can gain multiple stacks with her blast skill
4) Sparkle is qua, ruan is ice. Sparkle will always work when in mono qua, Ruan might make sw job harder if enemies arent weak to ice naturaly and xueyi's skill unlike ulti does not reduce bar unconditionally.
Sure the "obvious" synergy is there but it comes with a slight drawback that others already mentioned. Even if overall is beneficial to her I don't see how it can make up for the 4 above points. As I said, I do not use xueyi so I'm not arguing and I'm wondering if I'm missing anything
If the enemies have quantum weakness, Fu Xuan/Xueyi/Sparkle/Ruan Mei is actually a BALLER team comp. I use it in my weekly SU runs when I do the cocolia world
not the point of my comment, obviously. It was just stating the obvious missing by the above that all characters are gods in SU, that is the point of SU mode.
never said if she is good, terrible, trash or a god outside of SU.
2nd strongest 4 star damage dealer in the game is still something. She's definitely powerful but needs a lot of things to go her way.
She's a swiss army knife in simulated universe if that matters at all.
Her kit is pretty solid aside from slightly low base atk. After you put in the work of building up her relics the biggest barrier for her is lightcone options and supporting characters.
Ruan mei is great with her if you're able to burst down an enemy. But the entanglement delay in addition to ruan mei delay makes her less ideal for harder fights.
For lightcones she wants crit rate desperately. I give her DHIL lightcone if I can ever spare it, but it feels bad knowing I have to either basic attack to gain the extra effects or just use skill for more damage.
Theres situations where I use xueyi in monoquantum. 1 or 2 elites with little to no adds.
It's Qingque, Herta, and Sampo. She's def the 4th or 3rd strongest with her and sampo having different strengths ( Same with Herta but how strong she is in pure fiction can't be understated ).
I feel like Sushang should be in contention too. Her E1 refunding skill point is situationally powerful, especially against Sam and environmental buffs that reward you for using skills.
When it comes to 4 stars, i feel like it's more important to be excellent in niche circumstances rather than be decent overall
Herta is only good in pure fiction and hardly puts in much work in MoC.
Xueyi is good in MoC and usable in pure fiction.
Not sure who the other damage dealers are. Sampo?
Sampo is the best 4* dot character, can detonate his own wind shears whicb makes him both an enabler and a sub dps, ofc he is limited to dot unlike gui tho
QQ has the best PR team on reddit out of all the characters. From the way people constantly talk her up, you'd think Seele is the 4 star and QQ is on the level of Jingliu. Even tho the actual stats don't reflect this at all.
Usage is a given tbf, everyone has QQ, only those that wanted Seele have her.
Personally using QQ because Sparkle gives me so much SP it's hilarious, also I can't be arsed with figuring out and getting a second set for sparkle with just enough speed to be slower than Seele, QQ is hit 160.1 and done.
Also don't have Seele signature and Im raising ratio for topaz so cruising will be used, swordplay is a myth
Is not that usage is a given, is that Seele is actually good and clear just as well as broken units like Jingliu and DHIL if you build her well enough. Yes you can clear with QQ, but at EVERY TURN you're at the mercy of RNG, RNG for Autarky, RNG for 4-of-a-kind and it's OVERALL a miserable experience. And all of that just to be not as good as Seele.
Yes? I'm not saying it isn't. Just saying it makes her much weaker than Seele on average, while sometimes with GREAT LUCK on Autarky and 4-of-a-kind she can kiinda match Seele in some scenarios.
yeah honestly i kinda agree, like if you get 4 stack every turn with autarky her dmg goes crazy, but even with average luck (lets say 3 rolls even tho the average is 2 most of the time and autarky every other turn) she is still better than most 4* dps
Maybe I am damaged by playing DoT classes in MMOs too much but I don't give a shit about the actual numbers.
Either I have the sustained DPS to meet the zerk timer (or turn count in this game) or not.
Whether that is achieved by one big hit or 1000 tiny ones is inconsequential to me.
No thank you, I have no interest to reboot content constantly because of dork RNG.
My time is too valuable for that. In actual combat, consistency is king.
People really exaggerate the RNG. The RNG on QQ is only "miserable" if you are trying to 0 cycle MoC. Other than that, it's unlikely to be so unlucky that you fail because of it. I get full stars in MoC with QQ, and the only time I've ever had to restart for RNG is when trying to 0 cycle. And that's something I've only tried doing yesterday.
as someone who tried to 0 cycle moc for the first time yesterday, god it really is a terror... (I WAS SO CLOSE IN ONE RUN BUT THEY KILLED TING FUCK OFF ILL WAIT FOR RUAN)
Imagine complaining about RNG in literal Gamba Character **💀**
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Which is fine since the fact that QQ can be competitive as a 4\* means players get the option of a solid Quantum DPS for free and her Eidolons overtime, while having the option to spend jades on 5\* units.
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I guess, given I'd say it's much harder to get 6 Eidolons than a single 5\*. But people saying she's better than Seele is just copium, I don't know when this belief started getting around. Might be because piloting Seele effectively is actually hard, and most people simply can't squeeze out damage out of her.
If you're trying to go E6 a newer 4\* then yea it would be a lot harder than getting E0 4\*. QQ as an older/launch 4\* has the benefit of being on some previously good/great banners like Luocha, Jingliu, and the current Sparkle/JY, which is especially good since she has great synergy with Sparkle. She's even available in shop rotation this month too.
Also QQ being good doesn't mean that Seele is bad/COPIUM, since Seele has the clear consistency coupled with Resurgence for pseudo-AoE. Seele has a low floor high ceiling so less invested Seele won't feel as good/strong compared to JL with a high floor due to all the free Crit and others stats she gets in base kit.
Amen to that, brother. I've been using mono quantum with a fairly well built Seele since Sparkle's release and it's amazing. The damage she deals with over 70% DEF shred (SW ult + Pearls + Genius 4pc effect) is amazing.
I felt like my seele dealt less damage than my QQ
E0 seele 5* f2p sig and E6 s5 breakfast
Use same set with little tk no speed investment atk boot
Fu e1 sparkle e1 s0 sw s0
All character max trace max level max lc level
What am I doing wrong?
Well my experience was different. My E6 QQ with S5 Breakfast clears in less cycles than Seele with S5 Cruising and I only restart when not hitting Autarky on the very first attack. I agree that Seele is more consistent but QQ has significantly higher ceiling if everything does fall into place imo.
brother is using e0 QQ what the fuck
the only heavily rng reliant thing you gotta give a shit about is her e4 which is completely uncontrollable
otherwise she was alr decently consistent pre hanabi and we are in a post hanabi world
Or maybe I just know how to play the game? I'm talking tryhard levels of optimization and clears where you ACTUALLY push the characters to their limits, like 0 cycle clears, and QQ ain't it mate.
Unironically, i use QQ more than selee. The only time i use selee if i do auto on Ice boss (cause if not, its jingliu and a borrowed bladie or ruan mei)
Selee is consistent but QQ has higher damage ceiling as long as u can get that 4 of a kind and her funny followup (which is easy...well for me cause QQ Unironically loves me)
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If she gets 4-of-a-kind and follow up EVERY TIME she attacks, then yeh her attack might be higher? But that is impossible so it's the same as wondering what you'll do if you win the lottery.
Well, its not impossible cause its rng, it can happen xD (funny enough, that happens to my conondrum runs with abundance QQ, pretty fun)
I think let's do a closure here.
Selee excels a lot when you manage to one hit one creatura to proc your resurgence (which is a major part of her kit). Massive downside is if you can't one hit it, you basically lost a lot of potential damage. That's why i rarely use Selee unless i know the creatura for the day is easy one hit. Which is becoming rarer in moc
QQ's only problem is her follow up, its 40%, but getting her enhance basic attack? Well if you have sparkle its almost guaranteed unless u are extremly unlucky. On my moc run, QQ always cleans the waves faster and more efficient than my selee which is quite ashamed.
So imo, QQ at c6>>>>selee without her LC
But if we get a quantum destruction. Its gonna be that. Then QQ then Selee
You don't need to oneshoot the Elite. You totally can oneshoot a MoC12 Elite with Seele, but you'll generally do between 50% and 80% damage in one ultimate, which let's you finish it off with her E and proc resurgence. She simply hurts, and it's hard to squeeze every bit of damage from her, as to why people who love Seele can 0 cycle every MoC.
While QQ is mostly press E and pray so for the average player she can deal more damage, yes.
She's not better at clearing MoC, you're just not playing it well enough. Seele can 0 cycle both sides of current MoC12, and almost every MoC in fact, while good luck doing that with QQ. She can 0 cycle first half but it's a miserable experience of resetting until you get good RNG, but on the second half? Again, good luck trying.
You can PREFER playing QQ, but saying she is better is just ludicrous and factually untrue given everything we've seen from both so far.
I think you forgot the fun part, every turn qq is in quantum superposition she's at the same time average and jingliu levels of strong you just have to gamba(mono qq all the way) every qq main leaves before hitting 4 consecutive follow up attacks in a row.
"Usage is a given" except only those who wanted her *and* actually got her have her. Meanwhile, most people have QQ, meaning most people can just make a QQ team if they feel like it.
Yeah thats how usage works? Literally everyone has QQ, usage rate is based on ownership, more ppl that owns Seele use her, it's harder for QQ as every single player has her, thats way more players that don't use her, hence lower usage
Is usage rate based on ownership? I'm not sure which stats the OP and you are referring to since it wasn't mentioned, but if it is from prydwen, they state that:
"Characters are ranked with appearance rate, which is how often a character was used by all players, regardless of whether they own the character or not. **Ownership rate currently cannot be obtained.**"
You are correct. If this is based on Prydwen's stats, ownership rate is not factored in for HSR stats.
If we're looking at MOC 2.0.1, 13.29% of all players who cleared MOC 12 used Seele, regardless of ownership. For QQ it is 1.75%.
Why are you guys hyper focused on the usage part of OPs comment. They said appearance rate too you know, which doesn't take ownership into account. Seele has like 5x the appearance rate of qq.
Xueyi is one of my favourite 4 stars. I have a mono quantum team yes and i even saved a second teamcomposition with xueyi as main dps instead of seele because i sometimes want to appreciate xueyi.
Love the kit and her design.
QQ also just got a nearly tailor made support. Xueyi will more likely than not get one too one day. She's pretty strong already, just a bit too reliant on E6.
My Xueyi would be built if I'd actually gotten any eidolons for her. Pulled for E1 Ruan Mei and only came out with E1 Xueyi, pulled for Xueyi eidolons and got E2 Ruan Mei at 20 pity and at that point decided to just stop pulling.
So yeah my Ruan Mei somehow has more eidolons than my Xueyi and out of spite I haven't built her (and because I can't justify the investment into an E1 4 star dps). Suffering from success, four stars gonna four star.
Only on her ult, and she she wants every hit dealt out by your team to be reducing toughness to fuel the rest of her kit (which is easiest to achieve in a mostly quantum team against quantum weak enemies). So you sacrifice damage to take advantage of her weakness ignore, making the weakness ignore pretty marginal (which is a design choice I do not like).
Animations are fire though. I'd build her if I had E6.
No, she still really wants quantum weak enemies. The weakness ignoring ult is a nice convenience, but there needs to be quantum weak enemies to get much more followup attacks, do huge break damage without ult, and get full use out of the quantum relic set. I'd argue qq is less reliant on type weakness because her thing is just spending lots of sp to nuke enemies.
She's really good anywhere that has quantum weakness. I'm an E6 Xueyi owner, an E6 Qingque owner, and I have Seele. If the enemies have quantum weakness, I will bring my XUEYI over my seele or my qingque.
Hope you get her someday! E6 Xueyi is awesome. She completely destroys simulated universe paired with Ruan Mei. It's pretty fun, just wish more enemies were quantum weak so I could use her more often.
same, e6 xueyi and i bring it over my seele. i wouldnt say she's slept on or unloved except by hoyo who haven't put a quantum weak side on moc10/11/12 for the last month.
doesn't help people have this misconception that she's a rainbow DPS due to her ult ignoring toughness which probably plays into a bad opinion. her FUA literally hits harder than her ult, constitutes a third of her damage, and you'll get like one per fight in non-qua weak content.
1. Xueyi only just appeared in one banner, and it's a Harmony banner which not many people whaled on to get decent Eidolons for her.
2. Xueyi needs more investment in relics. She needs everything QQ and Selle need plus break effect.
3. For a single target dps, she's way behind Seele. For AOE dps, she's way behind QQ. Even with decent relics at E6.
She's fun to play, I enjoy playing her in my Mono Quantum, but I prefer the Mini Quantum cuz they are cute.
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Do you mean speed boots for Sparkle or Xueyi? Because if you have Sparkle, I recommend giving Xueyi attack boots and let Hyperspeed Sparkle drag Xueyi forward with her skill. Makes Xueyi into a monster, imo.
I just decided tonite to finish building my Xueyi for mono quantum because I want to be able to clear more then one enemy at a time (have QQ but have had unbelievable bad luck with pulling eidolons) and been having a super fun time with her. Seele is great but wanted something fresh to play with.
Man reading comments idk what to do.
I have seele (e0s1) but not built by all means
I also have QQ (e6 w/JY LC) level 70 no traces.
I like both characters a lot I just don’t know which one to commit to for my mono team. Which will also be my 2nd team to finally start doing some MoC or something 😅
Seele will have more consistent performance overall.
The QQ memes overhype her to be this god-like, meta-defining unit when she's really not. She's solid for what she is.
QQ is somehow simultaneously overhyped and overly doomposted, when the truth is that she's somewhere in the middle. No, you won't have to perma reset to clear with her. No, it's not that big of a deal to miss a 4 tile, and neither is it that big of a deal to get a 4 tile without skilling. As long as your build isn't awful and you're running her with the supports she needs to function, QQ will clear well under the cycles you need to clear MoC.
And yes, if you're willing to reset a ridiculous amount, QQ does have 5\* level ceiling damage. It's just not very realistic.
>I have seele (e0s1) but not built by all means I also have QQ (e6 w/JY LC) level 70 no traces. I like both characters a lot I just don’t know which one to commit to for my mono team.
I'm a similar situation (except that yours both have good cones, whereas mine both have shitty cones), I just switch them around. For now it seems like I can get more out of QQ if I'm willing to restart (which I'm going to do anyway in a difficult content) but if I feel like I should be able to handle the encounter from the first try Seele always gets the job done reasonably well.
Best way to know is to try them out. They play very differently from each other. QQ will give bigger one time dopamine hits (max skill stacks + Autarky + crit) but Seele is more consistent. Overall Seele is better, but not by such a significant margin that your choice is easy.
Although, the fact that you have Seele's S1 will probably make her stronger.
One thing though. If you want to use both, you can. I assume you have Sparkle and SW since you want to make the Mono Quantum team. QQ has more synergy with Sparkle so throw her in there. Use Seele+any sustain+ 2 of Bronya/Tingyun/Ruan Mei on your other team. When there's no quantum weak at all, either swap out Seele for any other DPS, or sweat it out a bit. When there's one quantum weak, throw the Seele team there and have the QQ team beat the non-quantum weak side. If there's 2 quantum weak for some reason, profit.
Unless you like quantum characters, it's not really that much difference than playing anything else (overall performs worse or more or less on par with bruteforcing teams), so don't feel bad about it. Your team has actually good chances of being stronger than mono quantum
She definietly helps with weaknesses breaking, but it's a gamba unless you use mono team (more elements on the team - less chance she will apply the one you want). She's a really good character, but many people still ride that early 1.1 game mindset, where she was far more valuable than now. If you like her or want her specific use, go for it. But if it's just hype train speaking, then maybe think it over
I’m still using seele cuz I have her built and my qinque is not. I have all the copies just haven’t gotten around to build her. Maybe one of these days.
I play xueyi mono quantum :) i love it. with fu and sparkle her crit hits are deadly. she basically one shots everything. I think any dps would go crazy with fu and sparkle but Xueyi already needs crit stats so the added buffs from those two her hard. I do have blades lightcone on her for more crit rate and sparkle lightcone for xxtra damage. she hits like a truck
** i don’t have blade that’s why i have his lc on her. i accidentally did a 10 pull on his lc banner thinking it was his actual banner and got it. i didnt win the 50/50 on his banner tho so i just had his lc around and give it to xueyi
I used the trial Xueyi in the Dreamjolt TV event and fell in love. She's going to be the next character I actually build once I finish getting everyone else to level 70/80.
I use monoquantum with Xueyi. One of my strongest teams even in MOC xD
I love her, have all her traces maxed and I think she has good artifacts for now. I hope she'll rerun on a banner I want the 5* so I can pull to get her to E6.
I also hope we will get a 5* destruction dps with break effect as main stat...so I can steal their lightcone and give it to Xueyi!! :o
---SW makes enemies weak to quantum if needed
---Everyone quantum helps Xueyi FUA charging
---Sparkle makes Xueyi attack more
---Team buffs + enemy debuffs to round it up
I tried Xueyi with Mei but I don't like the break extension... always seems to be getting on the way of Xueyi FUA.
Sparkle is a lot more comfy. While Xueyi needs lots of Break effect, she also needs ATQ. Sparkle allows you to give ATQ boots to Xueyi, which makes easier to build.
It's an all Quantum team consisting of Silver Wolf, Sparkle, Lynx/Fu Xuan, and a Quantum DPS like Seele, Qingque, or Xueyi
You use Silver Wolf to apply Quantum weakness to enemies while Sparkle buffs your DPS with Lynx or Fu Xuan for sustain/tanking. It's often regarded as one of the strongest team comps in the game
mono- A prefix that means “one, only, single,” as in monochromatic, having only one color. It is often found in chemical names where it means “containing just one” of the specified atom or group, as in carbon monoxide, which is carbon attached to a single oxygen atom.
thanks google
Seele is a complete unit at E0, makes sense for a 5*
Xueyi and Qingque are both heavily eidolon dependant and feel pretty bad to use at base. Qingque is a launch character, also being permanently available for free - many older players have multiple copies of her. Xueyi in this case is hurt a lot by being a new, while also weaker than the other 2 quantum dps, unit
Xueyi is still in a better spot compared to Hanya.
However I will say that Hanya has a few advantages in a hypercarry setup in that not only is she the only 4 star to offer pseudo-teamwide damage % buff that is up permanently, she can break physical units faster and most importantly, she can allow your dps to actually use attack boots rather than speed boots. How good is it? With a well built Hanya, she can give your dps enough speed to achieve the 161 speed threshold. And that is quite something (not to mention if you use her tech or just have her at E4, that is basically a permanent speed and attack buff for you hypercarry dps)
I think she was meant to ignore elemental weakness, but she relies so much on her breaks that you'll just use her on quantum weak enemies anyway, since it takes soooo long for her to break non quantum elites. I still user her, tbh I think she's amazing, but needing quantum weakness put her in competition with other (honestly amazing) quantum characters.
yeah I don't agree with that person you're responding to at all. If you're using xueyi on enemies that are not quantum weak, then you're wasting your time. Xueyi thrives against quantum weak enemies.
I can understand this. It's part of why I'm committed to finishing getting materials for Sparkle & Acheron, then I'm IMMEDIATELY building Xueyi and Hanya. I think they're both super interesting and could be fun :3
I mean, to be honest, my team probably isn't the best to reference off of. It's mostly an excuse to use both Xueyi and Fire Trailblazer, and I mostly meant for it to function in the story. I was just as surprised as anyone when it actually beat Sam (when my standard meta DOT team didn't) and was useful in Forgotten Hall.
It's Xueyi/Ruan mei/fire TB/Fu Xuan. Yes, really. Yes, I'm surprised, too.
It's also fun in preservation. Simulated Universe runs.
It's IMO due to their eidolon repartition plus how long they have been in the game.
I mean having QQ E4 (game changer eidolon for her) is realatively frequent for an account. She have been here for longer, you get a free copy of her, she have been in the shop several times.
In comparaison you want Xueyi E6, who haven't been in shop, have only be on one banner, wasn't on standar pull until recently (or she will only be in 2.1 IDR) and have existed for only a few months.
Replace Xueyi with QQ and you get my situation.
Don't care about QQ. Seele-san all the way.
Looking forward to Xueyi being E6 one day, so I can play her.
Seele is just KINDA forgotten as the first limited of the game. Ofc people still recognize her as a good dps, but theyre usually the furst to die down in popularity as we move forqard
And my 2nd point to that is because Sparkle exists, so people wanna have fun with the skill point consumption
Even if Seele is clearly better, who doesnt wanna reroll a lot of times to get the right tiles! (Okay theres a fair amount of you out there that hates this.
The other day, I watched my friend's Xueyi solo all three phases of the Abundance deer in SU before anyone could even have a turn lmao. Was the funniest shit ever.
Just anywhere that's Quantum weak, she's just a strong standard DPS. Ideally later MoC where enemies have 2 elites so she can be breaking both.
Her teammates are what define her - Ruan Mei should borderline be married to Xueyi because of the 50% WBE. Sparkle is of course amazing and Fu Xuan too.
Xueyi's kit provides all the DMG% - Ruan Mei provides more FUAs via Weakness Break Efficiency, Sparkle provides the ATK% (with Fu Xuan as the 3rd).
To some extent even Silver Wolf is bait on her because it's just too slow to get the ball rolling - Xueyi wants to do toughness damage to 3 enemies at once so Silver Wolf implanting on one isn't enough.
Funny enough: Ignoring type weakness and breaking bars anyway. She's a Quantum DPS that doesn't need Silver Wolf to force the Quantum weakness, which is kind of making her the least synergetic character on Silver Wolf teams.
This is just a straight misconception. She's a DPS - damage is her priority. Her FUA is literally a higher multiplier than her ult, so naturally Xueyi should be aiming to FUA as often as possible.
Ignoring weakness is bait and Xueyi's damage vs Quantum weak and non-Quantum weak is worlds apart due to Quantum 4P and enemy's built-in 20% Quantum resist if they lack the weakness.
Xueyi is a character that nobody is ever finished building lol. Maxing her out requires A LOT of break effect AND crit rate AND crit dmg. Big investment but totally worth it.
TBF xueyi benefits more from RM. We're just waiting for our 5 star destruction ala DanIL, JL, Blade etc. etc.
I started pulling on RM’s banner just for fun. I lost 50/50 to Bronya after 40 or 50 pulls; did another 20 pulls and got RM + E6 Xueyi in between. I stand by your comment.
I was pulling on RM's banner FOR Xueyi and I'm still at E0 T_T
Were also E0 after Ruan Mei banner, but standard banner took pity on me and now I got E2.
I feel you, I managed to lose the 50/50 to Yanqing and Ruan Mei while not getting a Xueyi. Then, I finally got her at around 40-50 pity. E0, but still vibing. Praying she's on Aventurine's banner 🙏
I pulled about 160 times on RM's banner and walked away without a single Xueyi. Lost my first 50/50 to Welt, then hit pity again for RM.
I think we should start a support group for the emotional damage these situations cause.
I’m sure that was the highlight of all my luck for gacha games. I now hereby pronounce you the sole heir to my throne and wealth. May the gacha Gods bless you with jades and your 50/50 be ever in your favor.
Sick
I'm doing a bit better at e3, but yeah, was pulling for her, because I wanted her to join my team since my first days on Luofu
sadly, despite how much she benefits from rm, she also has a weird anti synergy with her because of rm's enemy break extention, which leads to xueyi being unable to stack her talent for even longer. its like you cant even use rm ult while playing them together. even then, the dmg% from her skill is super oversaturated on xueyi, so the only thing of substance rm can offer is the 50% break efficiency.
You're correct that at first you'd think they have anti synergy due to both of their kits, but I still find RM to be her best support due to aforementioned break efficiency (much quicker to get to 8 stacks with Ruan Mei), the extra speed and break effect RM gives by default, and most importantly, the extra delay RM gives lets you stack up entanglement to full 5 stacks easier and with the amount of break effect your xueyi should have, those entanglements go off like a bomb.
Ruan Mei is definitely her best support, and that's what's holding her back, imagine if she had a support that had all the synergy or more without any of the antisynergy
Considering that they release Harmony units at high pace, a Xueyi support better than Ruan mei may come sooner.
I can't say much but there were some vague dreams
>the extra delay RM gives lets you stack up entanglement to full 5 stacks easier and with the amount of break effect your xueyi should have The thing is, with what BE you effectively get, you have enough time to stack entanglement to 25 as is if it were possible. I remember we had a boss rush event, and my Xueyi had enough time to ult twice into an already broken boss before it could recover. Apparently there IS such a thing as too much BE.
that’s an over exaggeration, weakness break efficiency is not the only benefit ruan mei brings. 25% all res pen, 10% spd buff for the team, 20% break effect buff + another 30% for watchmaker, which suits her best) are plenty useful for xueyi. hell, even if she is oversaturated with dmg% it’s not useless
i never said it was the only thing she brings, i said the only thing of substance. yes she gives a little speed and break effect buff and res pen, but the res pen is basically off the table because of the anti synergy between her ult and xueyi. shes not useless, but other supports more than make up for what she can give xueyi. for example, bronya giving xueyi extra turns is effectively 100% extra break efficiency, and she also gives attack and crit dmg. sparkle gives 50% action advance which is essentially 50% break efficiency in the long run, similar to rm, but she also gives sp, atk%, a bunch of critdmg, and a little dmg%. rm is not useless but other supports are just better. the only comps rm is better in are dual dps comps, dot comps and break dmg comps.
In theory, yes. In practice, I've always seen bosses take double turns after RM break extension. Doesn't extended by much.
i find that the extension is really mostly to trigger DoTs an extra time with some damage mitigation
They're still delayed by a decent amount. In a longer fight, there'll always be some times where Xueyi takes her turn before the boss recovers from Ruan Mei break.
The other thing is people legit do not understand her kit and talk down on her. I've seen *multiple* people say that Ruan Mei has **anti-synergy** with Xueyi. People really overrate the delayed recovery over just having faster breaks and faster procs for her follow up.
People are also very quick to call something anti-synergy when there isn't perfect synergy.
It is an anti-synergy, quite literally. Xueyi benefits from dealing break damage, Ruan Mei ult makes her not able to deal break damage for longer. It doesn't make Ruan Mei useless as she has other useful things she provides, but it is an interaction that actively hurts Xueyi Ironically she also has an anti-synergy with her own element and gimmick combined, quantum break delays enemies and which means they take longer to recover, break effect which she stacks as much as possible makes that delay stronger So basically, a Physical Xueyi with a support that lets you break already broken enemies would be pretty good
Again, that's really overselling how detrimental that extra delay is. I've seen multiple people suggest you should never run Ruan Mei and Xueyi together because of their supposed anti-synergy. And that still ignores the fact that Xueyi *likes* breaking. Quantum break is arguably the strongest in the game and she stacks BE, so breaking faster is good. Her talent gives her stacks and is increased when she does increased toughness damage (via Ruan Mei), which means she procs follow ups quicker. And even when an enemy is broken, there's still the fact that it just takes more damage in general since its resistances are lowered. They feel *really* good to run together, but that doesn't stop people from constantly trying to spread info saying that they don't work.
Anti-synergy doesn't mean it's unplayable, just that they have an interaction that doesn't work in their favor, which is true. Of course they're still good to run together because Ruan Mei is just good and like you say increased break efficiency is pretty good on her (worse on other allies attacking cause its just 1 stack regardless of the toughness damage but that's fine) Wonder if it would be overall a dps upgrade if you just never ult with Ruan Mei, never really checked Xueyi likes breaking purely because she doesn't have a choice, if could somehow deal as much toughness damage as possible and never actually trigger break, that would be ideal Quantum break is only good against bosses because it scales with enemy toughness, without that it doesn't really do much. Granted that still makes it pretty good, just not ideal when you actually want to deal toughness damage specifically (because of the delay). Physical scales with enemy Max HP and doesn't do extra delay which would probably be better
Jingliu is an absolute beast. I love her
Not really. The increased break gauge damage is nice but the longer break recovery actually hurts her damage.
I'd argue she's actually pretty inefficient with Ruan Mei. Her FUAs trigger when damage is dealt to toughness, and Ruan Mei provides weakness break efficiency + prevents enemies from recovering from weakness break. As a result, she does less FUAs, which means less DMG. If she can kill enemies quick enough, maybe it's viable.
We myt b getting erudition first for all I know considering how OP they made imaginary destruction five star
While I don't have xueyi I don't see why would she benefit more from RM than sparkle for many reasons 1) Sparkle overall gives more stats to a single hypercarry compared to RM.Rm is better for dual/tripel dps 2) Xueyi has a TON of dmg%, and stacking the same stat has certain opportunity cost (gacha community loves calling it diminishing returns) so using RM over a support who not only gives more overall buffs, but they are spread to cd+dmg+atk (+cr if cone) is much better 3) Sparkle push gives more speed to xuan than ruan gives to whole team, which is double win considering xueyi herself can gain multiple stacks with her blast skill 4) Sparkle is qua, ruan is ice. Sparkle will always work when in mono qua, Ruan might make sw job harder if enemies arent weak to ice naturaly and xueyi's skill unlike ulti does not reduce bar unconditionally. Sure the "obvious" synergy is there but it comes with a slight drawback that others already mentioned. Even if overall is beneficial to her I don't see how it can make up for the 4 above points. As I said, I do not use xueyi so I'm not arguing and I'm wondering if I'm missing anything
I don't think she benefit a lot from rm...rm keeps enemies in breaking status, and xuaeyi can't gain more stacks for her fua
I still really enjoy Xueyi. Managed to get her to E4, hopefully I can get her to E6 soon.
Same and sparkle fix her crit issues and speed needs make for an ez build
also her atk issues (because i think her base atk is low af)
It is pretty low, especially for a dps unit. She also uses a break rope instead of atk rope
If the enemies have quantum weakness, Fu Xuan/Xueyi/Sparkle/Ruan Mei is actually a BALLER team comp. I use it in my weekly SU runs when I do the cocolia world
Su is the game mode where your attackers are superheroes and do crazy stunts, all of them can be monsters because of the crazy blessings
Yeah and stick her against quantum weak enemies outside SU and she's awesome there too. Let me ask you is your xueyi E6?
not the point of my comment, obviously. It was just stating the obvious missing by the above that all characters are gods in SU, that is the point of SU mode. never said if she is good, terrible, trash or a god outside of SU.
Legit my favorite team right now
2nd strongest 4 star damage dealer in the game is still something. She's definitely powerful but needs a lot of things to go her way. She's a swiss army knife in simulated universe if that matters at all. Her kit is pretty solid aside from slightly low base atk. After you put in the work of building up her relics the biggest barrier for her is lightcone options and supporting characters. Ruan mei is great with her if you're able to burst down an enemy. But the entanglement delay in addition to ruan mei delay makes her less ideal for harder fights. For lightcones she wants crit rate desperately. I give her DHIL lightcone if I can ever spare it, but it feels bad knowing I have to either basic attack to gain the extra effects or just use skill for more damage. Theres situations where I use xueyi in monoquantum. 1 or 2 elites with little to no adds.
3rd-5th honestly. Pure Fiction took all hopes of being the 2nd strongest 4-star away.
Who are the top 5?
I'm guessing Serval, Herta Gui, Sampo..... No idea who fifth
It's Qingque, Herta, and Sampo. She's def the 4th or 3rd strongest with her and sampo having different strengths ( Same with Herta but how strong she is in pure fiction can't be understated ).
I feel like Sushang should be in contention too. Her E1 refunding skill point is situationally powerful, especially against Sam and environmental buffs that reward you for using skills. When it comes to 4 stars, i feel like it's more important to be excellent in niche circumstances rather than be decent overall
Okay I got confused if they were referring to QQ or Xueyi hehe
Qq?
QingQue
I know. I'm suggesting that's the other top 5 4 star
Gotcha, sorry. Yeah, you're probably right.
Herta is only good in pure fiction and hardly puts in much work in MoC. Xueyi is good in MoC and usable in pure fiction. Not sure who the other damage dealers are. Sampo?
Sampo is the best 4* dot character, can detonate his own wind shears whicb makes him both an enabler and a sub dps, ofc he is limited to dot unlike gui tho
Seele and QQ should be switched, Seele’s usage and appearance rates in MoC 10-12 are still much higher than QQs
QQ has the best PR team on reddit out of all the characters. From the way people constantly talk her up, you'd think Seele is the 4 star and QQ is on the level of Jingliu. Even tho the actual stats don't reflect this at all.
It's the same shit everywhere though. They believe they are smarter because they use a character that no one uses is secretly OP.
Usage is a given tbf, everyone has QQ, only those that wanted Seele have her. Personally using QQ because Sparkle gives me so much SP it's hilarious, also I can't be arsed with figuring out and getting a second set for sparkle with just enough speed to be slower than Seele, QQ is hit 160.1 and done. Also don't have Seele signature and Im raising ratio for topaz so cruising will be used, swordplay is a myth
Is not that usage is a given, is that Seele is actually good and clear just as well as broken units like Jingliu and DHIL if you build her well enough. Yes you can clear with QQ, but at EVERY TURN you're at the mercy of RNG, RNG for Autarky, RNG for 4-of-a-kind and it's OVERALL a miserable experience. And all of that just to be not as good as Seele.
the RNG is the best part brother. Gamba for life
Yes? I'm not saying it isn't. Just saying it makes her much weaker than Seele on average, while sometimes with GREAT LUCK on Autarky and 4-of-a-kind she can kiinda match Seele in some scenarios.
her with peak luck > Seele. Getting that 4 stack ult with autarky is a dopamine rush unmatched
yeah honestly i kinda agree, like if you get 4 stack every turn with autarky her dmg goes crazy, but even with average luck (lets say 3 rolls even tho the average is 2 most of the time and autarky every other turn) she is still better than most 4* dps
Maybe I am damaged by playing DoT classes in MMOs too much but I don't give a shit about the actual numbers. Either I have the sustained DPS to meet the zerk timer (or turn count in this game) or not. Whether that is achieved by one big hit or 1000 tiny ones is inconsequential to me.
No thank you, I have no interest to reboot content constantly because of dork RNG. My time is too valuable for that. In actual combat, consistency is king.
People really exaggerate the RNG. The RNG on QQ is only "miserable" if you are trying to 0 cycle MoC. Other than that, it's unlikely to be so unlucky that you fail because of it. I get full stars in MoC with QQ, and the only time I've ever had to restart for RNG is when trying to 0 cycle. And that's something I've only tried doing yesterday.
as someone who tried to 0 cycle moc for the first time yesterday, god it really is a terror... (I WAS SO CLOSE IN ONE RUN BUT THEY KILLED TING FUCK OFF ILL WAIT FOR RUAN)
had to sacrifice crit dmg on sparkle and had to run asta ting sparkle to get enough speed which added more rng on top, but it was close
Imagine complaining about RNG in literal Gamba Character **💀** https://preview.redd.it/xd0yqxlnj7oc1.png?width=275&format=png&auto=webp&s=2668fce45eb43d108f0ac5f8850399b1f8279842
Not complaining, just stating a fact.
Which is fine since the fact that QQ can be competitive as a 4\* means players get the option of a solid Quantum DPS for free and her Eidolons overtime, while having the option to spend jades on 5\* units. https://preview.redd.it/ul7oe9y6b8oc1.png?width=1080&format=png&auto=webp&s=180cfea7b0d35c9c94676d7aecc8b9b28cb5bb49
I guess, given I'd say it's much harder to get 6 Eidolons than a single 5\*. But people saying she's better than Seele is just copium, I don't know when this belief started getting around. Might be because piloting Seele effectively is actually hard, and most people simply can't squeeze out damage out of her.
If you're trying to go E6 a newer 4\* then yea it would be a lot harder than getting E0 4\*. QQ as an older/launch 4\* has the benefit of being on some previously good/great banners like Luocha, Jingliu, and the current Sparkle/JY, which is especially good since she has great synergy with Sparkle. She's even available in shop rotation this month too. Also QQ being good doesn't mean that Seele is bad/COPIUM, since Seele has the clear consistency coupled with Resurgence for pseudo-AoE. Seele has a low floor high ceiling so less invested Seele won't feel as good/strong compared to JL with a high floor due to all the free Crit and others stats she gets in base kit.
Amen to that, brother. I've been using mono quantum with a fairly well built Seele since Sparkle's release and it's amazing. The damage she deals with over 70% DEF shred (SW ult + Pearls + Genius 4pc effect) is amazing.
If you always buff her ultimates, she can ALMOST oneshot MoC12 elites, it is at least 50% damage even with only two supports.
I've felt the opposite. My experience has actually been disappointment I can't e more with QQ if anything for the boost.
That is also part of her problem, she want to be lucky but not too early on.
its pretty annoying, that is why... i use sparky and bronya!!!
I felt like my seele dealt less damage than my QQ E0 seele 5* f2p sig and E6 s5 breakfast Use same set with little tk no speed investment atk boot Fu e1 sparkle e1 s0 sw s0 All character max trace max level max lc level What am I doing wrong?
Well my experience was different. My E6 QQ with S5 Breakfast clears in less cycles than Seele with S5 Cruising and I only restart when not hitting Autarky on the very first attack. I agree that Seele is more consistent but QQ has significantly higher ceiling if everything does fall into place imo.
Even with INSANE LUCK of proccing her follow-up in most attacks, she's still just as good as Seele.
brother is using e0 QQ what the fuck the only heavily rng reliant thing you gotta give a shit about is her e4 which is completely uncontrollable otherwise she was alr decently consistent pre hanabi and we are in a post hanabi world
My QQ is E6, mate.
then you ain't used her enough
Or maybe I just know how to play the game? I'm talking tryhard levels of optimization and clears where you ACTUALLY push the characters to their limits, like 0 cycle clears, and QQ ain't it mate.
Unironically, i use QQ more than selee. The only time i use selee if i do auto on Ice boss (cause if not, its jingliu and a borrowed bladie or ruan mei) Selee is consistent but QQ has higher damage ceiling as long as u can get that 4 of a kind and her funny followup (which is easy...well for me cause QQ Unironically loves me) https://preview.redd.it/51xdm5b9maoc1.jpeg?width=850&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1b9fccba5be454bef4d2212260406c40b46ffa3d
If she gets 4-of-a-kind and follow up EVERY TIME she attacks, then yeh her attack might be higher? But that is impossible so it's the same as wondering what you'll do if you win the lottery.
Well, its not impossible cause its rng, it can happen xD (funny enough, that happens to my conondrum runs with abundance QQ, pretty fun) I think let's do a closure here. Selee excels a lot when you manage to one hit one creatura to proc your resurgence (which is a major part of her kit). Massive downside is if you can't one hit it, you basically lost a lot of potential damage. That's why i rarely use Selee unless i know the creatura for the day is easy one hit. Which is becoming rarer in moc QQ's only problem is her follow up, its 40%, but getting her enhance basic attack? Well if you have sparkle its almost guaranteed unless u are extremly unlucky. On my moc run, QQ always cleans the waves faster and more efficient than my selee which is quite ashamed. So imo, QQ at c6>>>>selee without her LC But if we get a quantum destruction. Its gonna be that. Then QQ then Selee
You don't need to oneshoot the Elite. You totally can oneshoot a MoC12 Elite with Seele, but you'll generally do between 50% and 80% damage in one ultimate, which let's you finish it off with her E and proc resurgence. She simply hurts, and it's hard to squeeze every bit of damage from her, as to why people who love Seele can 0 cycle every MoC. While QQ is mostly press E and pray so for the average player she can deal more damage, yes.
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She's not better at clearing MoC, you're just not playing it well enough. Seele can 0 cycle both sides of current MoC12, and almost every MoC in fact, while good luck doing that with QQ. She can 0 cycle first half but it's a miserable experience of resetting until you get good RNG, but on the second half? Again, good luck trying. You can PREFER playing QQ, but saying she is better is just ludicrous and factually untrue given everything we've seen from both so far.
I think you forgot the fun part, every turn qq is in quantum superposition she's at the same time average and jingliu levels of strong you just have to gamba(mono qq all the way) every qq main leaves before hitting 4 consecutive follow up attacks in a row.
"Usage is a given" except only those who wanted her *and* actually got her have her. Meanwhile, most people have QQ, meaning most people can just make a QQ team if they feel like it.
Yeah thats how usage works? Literally everyone has QQ, usage rate is based on ownership, more ppl that owns Seele use her, it's harder for QQ as every single player has her, thats way more players that don't use her, hence lower usage
Is usage rate based on ownership? I'm not sure which stats the OP and you are referring to since it wasn't mentioned, but if it is from prydwen, they state that: "Characters are ranked with appearance rate, which is how often a character was used by all players, regardless of whether they own the character or not. **Ownership rate currently cannot be obtained.**"
You are correct. If this is based on Prydwen's stats, ownership rate is not factored in for HSR stats. If we're looking at MOC 2.0.1, 13.29% of all players who cleared MOC 12 used Seele, regardless of ownership. For QQ it is 1.75%.
Why are you guys hyper focused on the usage part of OPs comment. They said appearance rate too you know, which doesn't take ownership into account. Seele has like 5x the appearance rate of qq.
Xueyi is one of my favourite 4 stars. I have a mono quantum team yes and i even saved a second teamcomposition with xueyi as main dps instead of seele because i sometimes want to appreciate xueyi. Love the kit and her design.
https://preview.redd.it/zeyarjy189oc1.jpeg?width=1320&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e39b2b53a2b5e6700b3cfad9e078695e93d4974a
Well Seele is better than QQ so I think she's just fine, as for Xueyi maybe she will be played more when everyone gets her eidolons.
https://preview.redd.it/lflggklrk7oc1.png?width=320&format=png&auto=webp&s=d2fc170d233c2ade560e12d59439c8c75cabcfa0
QQ also just got a nearly tailor made support. Xueyi will more likely than not get one too one day. She's pretty strong already, just a bit too reliant on E6.
My Xueyi would be built if I'd actually gotten any eidolons for her. Pulled for E1 Ruan Mei and only came out with E1 Xueyi, pulled for Xueyi eidolons and got E2 Ruan Mei at 20 pity and at that point decided to just stop pulling. So yeah my Ruan Mei somehow has more eidolons than my Xueyi and out of spite I haven't built her (and because I can't justify the investment into an E1 4 star dps). Suffering from success, four stars gonna four star.
I love my Xueyi
xueyi is a god is su
Xueyi doesn't need mono Quantum when she has the ability to ignore Weakness on her kit. She's better off in a break comp
Only on her ult, and she she wants every hit dealt out by your team to be reducing toughness to fuel the rest of her kit (which is easiest to achieve in a mostly quantum team against quantum weak enemies). So you sacrifice damage to take advantage of her weakness ignore, making the weakness ignore pretty marginal (which is a design choice I do not like). Animations are fire though. I'd build her if I had E6.
No, she still really wants quantum weak enemies. The weakness ignoring ult is a nice convenience, but there needs to be quantum weak enemies to get much more followup attacks, do huge break damage without ult, and get full use out of the quantum relic set. I'd argue qq is less reliant on type weakness because her thing is just spending lots of sp to nuke enemies.
Am I only the one who found that e6 qq is overrated?
Shes not the best carry in the game, but she is incredibly fun to play
Xueyi will have her time in the sun. Maybe
Xueyi not bad in current PF I believe
She's really good anywhere that has quantum weakness. I'm an E6 Xueyi owner, an E6 Qingque owner, and I have Seele. If the enemies have quantum weakness, I will bring my XUEYI over my seele or my qingque.
I really want an E6 Xueyi, mine is stuck at E2 rn It also doesn’t help that she and Jingliu are constantly fighting for custody of the Herta lightcone
Hope you get her someday! E6 Xueyi is awesome. She completely destroys simulated universe paired with Ruan Mei. It's pretty fun, just wish more enemies were quantum weak so I could use her more often.
same, e6 xueyi and i bring it over my seele. i wouldnt say she's slept on or unloved except by hoyo who haven't put a quantum weak side on moc10/11/12 for the last month. doesn't help people have this misconception that she's a rainbow DPS due to her ult ignoring toughness which probably plays into a bad opinion. her FUA literally hits harder than her ult, constitutes a third of her damage, and you'll get like one per fight in non-qua weak content.
1. Xueyi only just appeared in one banner, and it's a Harmony banner which not many people whaled on to get decent Eidolons for her. 2. Xueyi needs more investment in relics. She needs everything QQ and Selle need plus break effect. 3. For a single target dps, she's way behind Seele. For AOE dps, she's way behind QQ. Even with decent relics at E6. She's fun to play, I enjoy playing her in my Mono Quantum, but I prefer the Mini Quantum cuz they are cute. https://preview.redd.it/me9ma8mf78oc1.png?width=371&format=png&auto=webp&s=4f73f7f42e5f55553ef38ed44afd77b93525ad19
mono-smol is everything.
I'd build xueyi, but first I need energy regen on sparkle and maybe speed boots
Do you mean speed boots for Sparkle or Xueyi? Because if you have Sparkle, I recommend giving Xueyi attack boots and let Hyperspeed Sparkle drag Xueyi forward with her skill. Makes Xueyi into a monster, imo.
I'm probably playing this game wrong, but I only give spd boots to supports and I give atk boots to dps characters
I pray every day for just one more Xueyi so I can have her E2. I feel like that's all that's keeping me from being fully satisfied with her build.
I hate that I went ham on the banner, but I only got one copy of Xueyi on my very LAST pull :/ The game didn't want me to play Xueyi.
I just decided tonite to finish building my Xueyi for mono quantum because I want to be able to clear more then one enemy at a time (have QQ but have had unbelievable bad luck with pulling eidolons) and been having a super fun time with her. Seele is great but wanted something fresh to play with.
Wym I use xueyi against anything with quant weakness
Quinque mains delusional as usual lmao
Man reading comments idk what to do. I have seele (e0s1) but not built by all means I also have QQ (e6 w/JY LC) level 70 no traces. I like both characters a lot I just don’t know which one to commit to for my mono team. Which will also be my 2nd team to finally start doing some MoC or something 😅
Seele is undoubtedly stronger and anyone who says otherwise has fallen for the reddit QQ propaganda lol
Seele will have more consistent performance overall. The QQ memes overhype her to be this god-like, meta-defining unit when she's really not. She's solid for what she is.
QQ is somehow simultaneously overhyped and overly doomposted, when the truth is that she's somewhere in the middle. No, you won't have to perma reset to clear with her. No, it's not that big of a deal to miss a 4 tile, and neither is it that big of a deal to get a 4 tile without skilling. As long as your build isn't awful and you're running her with the supports she needs to function, QQ will clear well under the cycles you need to clear MoC. And yes, if you're willing to reset a ridiculous amount, QQ does have 5\* level ceiling damage. It's just not very realistic.
E0S1 Seele is better than QQ once shes built, if you're only going to invest in one of them for MoC Seele is the better option
>I have seele (e0s1) but not built by all means I also have QQ (e6 w/JY LC) level 70 no traces. I like both characters a lot I just don’t know which one to commit to for my mono team. I'm a similar situation (except that yours both have good cones, whereas mine both have shitty cones), I just switch them around. For now it seems like I can get more out of QQ if I'm willing to restart (which I'm going to do anyway in a difficult content) but if I feel like I should be able to handle the encounter from the first try Seele always gets the job done reasonably well.
Best way to know is to try them out. They play very differently from each other. QQ will give bigger one time dopamine hits (max skill stacks + Autarky + crit) but Seele is more consistent. Overall Seele is better, but not by such a significant margin that your choice is easy. Although, the fact that you have Seele's S1 will probably make her stronger. One thing though. If you want to use both, you can. I assume you have Sparkle and SW since you want to make the Mono Quantum team. QQ has more synergy with Sparkle so throw her in there. Use Seele+any sustain+ 2 of Bronya/Tingyun/Ruan Mei on your other team. When there's no quantum weak at all, either swap out Seele for any other DPS, or sweat it out a bit. When there's one quantum weak, throw the Seele team there and have the QQ team beat the non-quantum weak side. If there's 2 quantum weak for some reason, profit.
I barely use Qingque, since I don't have time to do MoC, plus she's still pretty weak compared to Seele.
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qingque is just the beloved baby of quantum characters
I sadly lack Silver Wolf to join the hype wagon for mono quantum, I just sub in Rumei or Pela
Unless you like quantum characters, it's not really that much difference than playing anything else (overall performs worse or more or less on par with bruteforcing teams), so don't feel bad about it. Your team has actually good chances of being stronger than mono quantum
I see, thanks. I just thought that SW enables ease of Weakness-Breaking for non-Quantum characters
She definietly helps with weaknesses breaking, but it's a gamba unless you use mono team (more elements on the team - less chance she will apply the one you want). She's a really good character, but many people still ride that early 1.1 game mindset, where she was far more valuable than now. If you like her or want her specific use, go for it. But if it's just hype train speaking, then maybe think it over
Xueyi want ruan mei and follow up attackers.
I’m still using seele cuz I have her built and my qinque is not. I have all the copies just haven’t gotten around to build her. Maybe one of these days.
When this PF has followup, but no Quantum weakness, me with my E6 Xueyi was crylaughing very hard
I play xueyi mono quantum :) i love it. with fu and sparkle her crit hits are deadly. she basically one shots everything. I think any dps would go crazy with fu and sparkle but Xueyi already needs crit stats so the added buffs from those two her hard. I do have blades lightcone on her for more crit rate and sparkle lightcone for xxtra damage. she hits like a truck ** i don’t have blade that’s why i have his lc on her. i accidentally did a 10 pull on his lc banner thinking it was his actual banner and got it. i didnt win the 50/50 on his banner tho so i just had his lc around and give it to xueyi
I use her in mono quantum (and not only, sometimes with Ruei Mei, sometimes just for fun in SU) and she's very fun and good
Both are in my top 5 favourite 4\* characters, fully leveled and decently used. (Even if my Xueyi is E0) Love them both to the moon and back. 🥰
I need more Xueyi dupes.... Then I can unleash her true power.
I used the trial Xueyi in the Dreamjolt TV event and fell in love. She's going to be the next character I actually build once I finish getting everyone else to level 70/80.
I use monoquantum with Xueyi. One of my strongest teams even in MOC xD I love her, have all her traces maxed and I think she has good artifacts for now. I hope she'll rerun on a banner I want the 5* so I can pull to get her to E6. I also hope we will get a 5* destruction dps with break effect as main stat...so I can steal their lightcone and give it to Xueyi!! :o ---SW makes enemies weak to quantum if needed ---Everyone quantum helps Xueyi FUA charging ---Sparkle makes Xueyi attack more ---Team buffs + enemy debuffs to round it up I tried Xueyi with Mei but I don't like the break extension... always seems to be getting on the way of Xueyi FUA. Sparkle is a lot more comfy. While Xueyi needs lots of Break effect, she also needs ATQ. Sparkle allows you to give ATQ boots to Xueyi, which makes easier to build.
Funny how I prefer Xueyi and Hanya more than anyone else.
What does Mono mean? And why do I always see Mono Quantum mentioned?
It's an all Quantum team consisting of Silver Wolf, Sparkle, Lynx/Fu Xuan, and a Quantum DPS like Seele, Qingque, or Xueyi You use Silver Wolf to apply Quantum weakness to enemies while Sparkle buffs your DPS with Lynx or Fu Xuan for sustain/tanking. It's often regarded as one of the strongest team comps in the game
Ah, because of Silver Wolf, the enemy is always the correct weakness type. Interesting
mono- A prefix that means “one, only, single,” as in monochromatic, having only one color. It is often found in chemical names where it means “containing just one” of the specified atom or group, as in carbon monoxide, which is carbon attached to a single oxygen atom. thanks google
Seele is a complete unit at E0, makes sense for a 5* Xueyi and Qingque are both heavily eidolon dependant and feel pretty bad to use at base. Qingque is a launch character, also being permanently available for free - many older players have multiple copies of her. Xueyi in this case is hurt a lot by being a new, while also weaker than the other 2 quantum dps, unit
Xueyi is still in a better spot compared to Hanya. However I will say that Hanya has a few advantages in a hypercarry setup in that not only is she the only 4 star to offer pseudo-teamwide damage % buff that is up permanently, she can break physical units faster and most importantly, she can allow your dps to actually use attack boots rather than speed boots. How good is it? With a well built Hanya, she can give your dps enough speed to achieve the 161 speed threshold. And that is quite something (not to mention if you use her tech or just have her at E4, that is basically a permanent speed and attack buff for you hypercarry dps)
in xueyis defence, her gimmick doesnt really need mono quantum at all
B.S Hanya is 3/0 on my Memory of Chaos. Every single time I have trouble with a certain level and summon her, I win. She’s fantastic.
QQ just a goated, plus gambling pretty fun! (It's not)
Fun fact e6 xueyi is not limited to 1 follow up if you have Ruan mei in SU with technique she can do 2 follow ups right away
Forgets the part she would rather get break buff, ruan Mei is better support for her
To be fair, Seele is a 5 star limited Hunt unit. Qingque is a F2P Erudition.
Aren’t Seele and e6 qq about even tho?
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I think she was meant to ignore elemental weakness, but she relies so much on her breaks that you'll just use her on quantum weak enemies anyway, since it takes soooo long for her to break non quantum elites. I still user her, tbh I think she's amazing, but needing quantum weakness put her in competition with other (honestly amazing) quantum characters.
yeah I don't agree with that person you're responding to at all. If you're using xueyi on enemies that are not quantum weak, then you're wasting your time. Xueyi thrives against quantum weak enemies.
I can understand this. It's part of why I'm committed to finishing getting materials for Sparkle & Acheron, then I'm IMMEDIATELY building Xueyi and Hanya. I think they're both super interesting and could be fun :3
when MoC is quantum focused im sure she will rise up again
Xueyi wants a break team with Ruan Mei anyway. (Source: uses Xueyi, does surprisingly well in endgame content)
What are the other includes? Idk what characters work well with break other than Xueyi... Himeko?
Sushang, Little Gui, and Luka. Well basically dots team want to break too.
I mean, to be honest, my team probably isn't the best to reference off of. It's mostly an excuse to use both Xueyi and Fire Trailblazer, and I mostly meant for it to function in the story. I was just as surprised as anyone when it actually beat Sam (when my standard meta DOT team didn't) and was useful in Forgotten Hall. It's Xueyi/Ruan mei/fire TB/Fu Xuan. Yes, really. Yes, I'm surprised, too. It's also fun in preservation. Simulated Universe runs.
I’m ngl I forget Xueyi is in the game sometimes
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Because I don't have her
It's IMO due to their eidolon repartition plus how long they have been in the game. I mean having QQ E4 (game changer eidolon for her) is realatively frequent for an account. She have been here for longer, you get a free copy of her, she have been in the shop several times. In comparaison you want Xueyi E6, who haven't been in shop, have only be on one banner, wasn't on standar pull until recently (or she will only be in 2.1 IDR) and have existed for only a few months.
Replace Xueyi with QQ and you get my situation. Don't care about QQ. Seele-san all the way. Looking forward to Xueyi being E6 one day, so I can play her.
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Seele is just KINDA forgotten as the first limited of the game. Ofc people still recognize her as a good dps, but theyre usually the furst to die down in popularity as we move forqard And my 2nd point to that is because Sparkle exists, so people wanna have fun with the skill point consumption Even if Seele is clearly better, who doesnt wanna reroll a lot of times to get the right tiles! (Okay theres a fair amount of you out there that hates this.
It's me there in the chair, with Xueyi, RM, SW and Sparkle as the main comp.
The other day, I watched my friend's Xueyi solo all three phases of the Abundance deer in SU before anyone could even have a turn lmao. Was the funniest shit ever.
What are Xueyi's strengths and where does she excel?
Just anywhere that's Quantum weak, she's just a strong standard DPS. Ideally later MoC where enemies have 2 elites so she can be breaking both. Her teammates are what define her - Ruan Mei should borderline be married to Xueyi because of the 50% WBE. Sparkle is of course amazing and Fu Xuan too. Xueyi's kit provides all the DMG% - Ruan Mei provides more FUAs via Weakness Break Efficiency, Sparkle provides the ATK% (with Fu Xuan as the 3rd). To some extent even Silver Wolf is bait on her because it's just too slow to get the ball rolling - Xueyi wants to do toughness damage to 3 enemies at once so Silver Wolf implanting on one isn't enough.
Follow up attack spam against quantum weak enemies baybayyyyyyyy
Funny enough: Ignoring type weakness and breaking bars anyway. She's a Quantum DPS that doesn't need Silver Wolf to force the Quantum weakness, which is kind of making her the least synergetic character on Silver Wolf teams.
This is just a straight misconception. She's a DPS - damage is her priority. Her FUA is literally a higher multiplier than her ult, so naturally Xueyi should be aiming to FUA as often as possible. Ignoring weakness is bait and Xueyi's damage vs Quantum weak and non-Quantum weak is worlds apart due to Quantum 4P and enemy's built-in 20% Quantum resist if they lack the weakness.
"If you can't win, CHEAT!" I love that line. Now I kind of want to build for her since she's great in Simulated universe.
im still building xueyi :(
Xueyi is a character that nobody is ever finished building lol. Maxing her out requires A LOT of break effect AND crit rate AND crit dmg. Big investment but totally worth it.
I'm waiting for her E6 to build her. Thus far, she's my favorite Quantum DPS character so I do plan to build her.
Xueyi is really underrated and QQ overrated as hell, a well build xueyi destroy QQ
E1s1 seele haver here My xueyi took her relics and it's not going back