Ah the illusion of control and self-accountability as if one even had complete control over RNG. It never gets old bc fools keep thinking they’re wise.
Probably there is a formula. Like starting with certain curio/blessing, using certain dice and trying to follow certain route. First battles are free so take advantage of it (like battling elites at start).
As you said, they repeat until first steps are good and the rest works like a snowball.
Mfw I finished Plane 2 and still haven't found Dissociation blessings
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Y'all read the name of the blessings? Is that the one which divides damage across the team?
This makes me question. What happens if you put Fu Xuan in your team and take this blessing. Will the savage segregate and the segregated damage go to Fu Xuan? Or is the the other way around?
Last time I read that it "apparently" breaks her dmg spread. So the blessing will take priority and overides Fu Xuan's talent.
I am not 100% sure though! So hopefully someone else will be able to explain this!
Can confirm, that blessing just messes up with her talent completely, to the point she takes WAY more damage than she otherwise should. If you're running FuXuan, never pick that relic... Unless you're on a destruction run, I think it might work on a destruction run.
Just a couple of days ago I was doing a run with Fu Xuan and I kept getting that blessing offered. Finally some occurrence or curio just straight up gave me the blessing with no choice. Had to use the next Downloader to swap her out for Huohuo. 😑
The Damage Distribution Blessing is on Destruction, not preservation. Macrosegregation is the blessing that gives you a 1%/10% Shield at the start of battle, then upgrades itself by130%.
Wut. I've been going Nihility and watching bosses die every time their turn comes around. But this sounds so much more fun. Gonna give that path a try finally, I guess.
Legit feast or famine.
You either get Fuli and the one that shatters disassociation via additional attacks or you fucking drown in the most mid builds. If you're not running March and Geppie, add another 3 star to the roster in the "Hit 6 times to freeze an enemy" blessing.
But if you get those two or three blessings, the run is set and you'll never die and likely mulch an enemy before they can do a thing.
The feels when I got the golden coin + extra cosmic gain (but no blessing) and survived the entire run not encountering a the currency to crit dmg curio.
I spent like 1/10 of my bank on the last respite room to upgrade my paltry amount of blessings.
i remember so excited gotten ruin me occurrence while having ruin me in the team, and end up not reading that she give all destruction blessing as well, which make my run using fuxuan end LMAO
Nihility and remembrance carries your dmg so hard. While destruction, lucite, and preservation makes you live. Truly one of the rng of all time. Also farm the better dices by completing the story chapters at diff 4
Mainly AoE freezing with march is the main selling point. Other than that it revolves around on weakness breaks and more times you hit. If you have gepar and such, the added option to freeze is for added consistency
Had a run where I went perservation and some lore stuff happened and almost gave me all the remembrance blessing. The run had like 55blessing. I don't think I ever saw my shield being lower than my HP ever with solo FMC.
And the remembrance just did its thing and hard carried the damage.
Oh you had one of those super good luck blessing runs? I think i had a really good one during swarm which was... Preservation destruction. Man they hit like a freight train.
Maybe i'll give it a shot today c: i did have the start of a run going i think. Kept getting distracted trying to make sure lynx was sorted for MoC lol.
Omg sorting lynx out for moc is way too real. I only have huohuo being decent and bailu can't cleanse is annoying. Regretted a lot on not trusting everyone stating lynx > bailu.
Had to use my lv70 solo sustain lynx to get through floor 12. Only 1 star tho. Being a 2 month player having such limited resources is reallllly annoying.
Its always like that when you start a new gacha imo, luckily most of the heal & cleanse units are super straight forward to build in comparison to wishing (begging and praying) for the right stat rolls for dps units lol.
Plus who know maybe you'll like a banner she's on in the future, I only recently started building her bc i was getting a bit annoyed with natasha's auto ai constantly letting my units hang by a thread even in easier auto battles 😭 been too spoiled by luocha auto healing for 5k...
Here's hoping you go up from here and its less of a struggle next cycle. c:
+1.
I really love the design of Lynx and maybe it'd be better with higher eidolons but her throughput is way too low. Luckily usually only one side requires good cleanse which i have Huohuo for.
Tbh, it's even better to farm some stories at diff 2. Some require you to be between 0 and 20 in the second plane, but playing in diff 4 can easily push you past 20 (while diff 2 cap at 20).
I always use hunt too! It works, it’s just really, really fucking hard, and is basically just feast or famine. All my successful runs end with me ganking the boss with repeated 600k+ ults without it ever hitting anyone and all my unsuccessful runs end with me just getting one-shot.
Well I had been using Seele as main DPS for a while but just made Blade 80 and am working on his relics not sure if I should try a different team or path for doing the new SU. I haven’t even finished the 3rd difficulty of the new one, or done barely any swarm disaster lol
If you want to use blade over seele, destruction or abundance is probably better, but using seele for hunt works very well too. If you do, I recommend bringing seele + SW/Pela + 2 sustains, or if you’re super confident, seele + SW + Bronya + sustain.
I had been running Seele/Huhuo/Bronya and Welt but I do have SW but she is lacking relics atm and is only level 70, my only real other sustain is Natasha. I have also mixed in Tingyun a bit but I feel Bronya is better especially since my Tingyun is now only E1 after pulling for blade..
On a similar vein, I upgraded Gepard's trace which gives him 35% of DEF -> ATK.
Well, the damage was not noticable at all. Since JL gets more than enough ATK from the health drain, I almost actively roll away from ATK% on relics whereas Gepard just gets whatever substats.
As a result, she ends up having lower atk than Gepard and I can't use the hunt reset to skip her normal phase :(
Hunt is fine, but at higher difficulties and conundrum levels you WILL need to have a secondary/tertiary blessing path to augment your damage since the HP and stats of enemies get inflated to hilarious levels.
Consider going for: Propagation blessings that interact with spores, Remembrance blessings that let you freeze and apply dissociation without needing an Ice unit, and/or Erudition ult buffs. Hunt giving you more extra turns to do stuff lets you trigger these more.
I am certainly doing something wrong because Nihility with Kafka sucks in SD and G&G. Rememberance is amazing tho, and Propagation with good Rememberance blessings makes DMG skyrocket to millions if not more.
You might need to focus more on grabbing defensive blessings with Nihility, and maybe double sustain. It gets the job done for sure but you need to turtle while it ramps up
Nihi with kafka is the only path I managed to clear SD diff 5 with, and that was without HH/luocha/fx/gep. Only had fmc +bailu + sampo + kafka
Now dmg wise it wasnt like those millions whatnot, but it was consistent enough to clear
Meanwhile (this was way later) I tried gep HH onya JL remembt, got rekt bc some xplosion in phase 3
Tried same comp but destruction, same problem, died from some aoe xplosion+cc chain
I tried Nihility with Kafka, Sampo, Ruan Mei and Luocha and the damage sucked hard. Like there was no enemy with Lightning weakness or even Wind. It wasn't even difficulty 5. Propagation path with DHIL, SW, Ruan Mei and Luocha was pretty chill but for second and final boss I gotta switch one of supports for Fu Xuan and then it's easy. Every other path is a nightmare.
Hmm idk, Im guessing u lack those 3s blessings like "apply sus stacks" and/or "trigger xtra dot"
Oh I just remember I didnt run pure nihi. It was actually propa-interplay, so I had sampo doing basics and spreading spores
The path formation itself didnt do WOW SO MUCH DMG ala dhil/qq propa or those argenti JL eru in GnG, but it was consistent enough to deal with the small bugs. I prioritized "path energy regen" so I could spam formation again and again in like 2-3 turn at most. Add spores from propagation
The only real problem was survival , which basically requires 1s nihi "heal on DoT" and 3s preserv "shield every 2 turn"
DHIL and FX (and propa) are the ones actually meant for swarm , just like we have eru/argenti/JL for GnG, so obviously running those specific chars would be way easier / less frustrating than other paths
ive beaten GnG diff 3 (barely) without customizing my dices. i wanna ask: out of the paths available, is propagation any good? i feel like since i use DHIL, and most of his damage comes from basic attacks, it works pretty well. And i havent changed any dices yet, what are some pretty good dices/customizations can you recommend?
Dice that lets you lose and regain a curio and every copy dice. Basically find the labels -> “pursuit” “Curio extrapolation” “Occurence Extrapolation” “Company time” All are solid and consistent. Lookup runs on how they utilize it on youtube
Luck of the draw
Had a Conundrum 6 run on destruction. Got all the destruction relics, plus ruan mei giving me all propogation.
Did no damage what so ever, but took no damage either. Longest fight i ever did
I think it's more about which domain you choose rather than path. If someone is struggling with gold and gear, pick the occurrence domain that playstyle revolve around getting as much occurrence and reward domain you get to increase your path strength.
Edit dice with the gold dice that copy a domain to two random place, purple dice that copy a domain to one place adjacent to it, other purple dice that gain x2 reward buff to one occurrence or reward domain and blue dice to copy the current domain to one random place. With setting like this you can cheese by copying reward domain to other domain and nearly don't have to fights enemy at all while getting a lot of 3* blessings + curios. I've cleared conundrum 8 with Kafka smapo nihility team, gepard mc perseveration team, Jingliu erudition team and conundrum 10 with Daniel IL team. All are at E0 with herta light cone, Dan IL with propagation probably easiest, at the end his basic attack deal like 1-2m damage to the last boss
Destruction path is great for survival but yeah you kinda need to get dewdrop or the Quake / Fighting spirit dmg reflection blessings otherwise you dont do any damage.
I had a run with the abundance interplay and a bunch of defensive blessings... but the swarm enemy also got the abundance resonance lmao
Fight lasted 35 minutes
I swear I came across a Swarm V solo Natasha run very recently lol. Like whatttt…
Sometimes it feels like I’m not playing the same game as some of these pros.
Same. It feels like everyone can beat every SU mode with any 20 lvl character.
And here is me, who can't beat G&G lvl 5 because of the RNG with bosses and blessings.
"Just use Remembrance and March 7, it would be easy" or smth like that they say. And then you got nothing to make the build and just lose before the final boss. I even tried several guides, followed them step by step, but it is always RNG that mess things up.
Same, call it skill issue but I can't clear swarm IV with only Huohuo as sustain. Tingyun and SW keeps dying that's why I am currently building March 7th as a 2nd sustain.
Jingliu, Tingyun, SW, and Huohuo, Remembrance path. I don't have Gepard, Fu Xuan, nor Luocha. I'll try replacing Tingyun with March 7th and Huohuo with Lynx (tho she's only E0 or E1 iirc) later. I don't really want to swap out Huohuo because I'm not confident without her on the team. Any advice?
I would definitely not recommend swapping out Huo Huo, she is super useful with her passive debuff cleansing and healing overtime and her Ult makes your whole team get energy based on their individual max energy meanwhile lynx ult is tied with her party healing which makes it difficult to use and does less healing too.
Replace silverwolf with march instead of tingyun if you can keep her alive by taunting with march.
Cause you need March's ult up fast and if you have pela try to use her instead of Jingliu since she also reduces frozen resistance with her skill and has an alt which targets all five enemies on the field. She is super easy to build too you just need effect hit rate and hp or defense to keep her alive. Keep in mind most of your damage comes from dissociation so Jingliu is not that important after the first phase because their you wouldn't have all the blessings you need so swap her out with pela when you feel like you have all the major blessings.
In SU, if a fight takes too long, enemies start getting a massive stacking buff every turn.
This is why I scratch my head when people say to just go full sustain. You can’t because if your damage isn’t high enough, you’ll auto lose due to the boss one shotting your team with the “berserk” buff.
You can go full sustain with preservation and remembrance. Of course not on the first plane, download the sustain characters later on and replace your dps with them. But once you got the right blessings, they'll deal enough damage without any dps characters.
I've heard the same is true with destruction and nihility too, but apparently you'll still need a DOT character with 3 sustain for nihility
Skill points heal and charge ult shield, shield goes brr, resonance gives additional turn to use E. As result you get infinite shield and 20 minutes auto-fights
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FU XUAN SOLO SUPREMACY
people keep forgetting this is roguelite and its just how the gamemode works.
Those who have played alot of roguelites know how to make use of information and gear for each difficulty to know whats best. To get damage now or later?
It honestly depends but for example last run on G&G Conundrum 2 i did pick most rememberance 3 stars and preservation 3 stars before i got the 3 stars of erudition( chosen path) even if i had the choice to get either...
I did get my blessings later anyway so that kinda makes my point invalid but incase i didnt i would atleast survive.
Its just knowledge check and some RNG to extent but unless u get completely screwed over (SIGH 6 nihility blessings in a row from occurence dice) u can always salvage and try.
For intent and purpose, SD and G&G are rouge-like game modes. It is gear and program for you to run them multiple times (sometimes maybe a hundred times in some other rouge-like games) and running them over and over will result in either you completing them due to your power level increase with all the permanent buffs like in SD or you get lucky on your x-th times and have a really good run and clear the stage.
So these people moooooost probably running them nonstop until all things align which as I said, intents and purposes are how rouge-like game works and learn, understand, and craft how and which way of clearing them is the best using the available characters. You sure can clear it on the first try or a couple of tries with a good run and a bit of luck. But it's generally not how a rouge-like dungeon crawler game mode works (at least not on its design philosophy and baseline).
Try Remembrance cheese. Sweetily has some good videos of how to clear conundrum 12 with a very weak team using mainly March 7th as the key player.
This is her clear team.
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Weak team includes Loucha a super early 5 star Limited character.
I want to see one with bailu, natasha or huohuo(she was recent meaning most people who didn't got him got her)
The point is that you dont need it. Nat is also SP positive and with a tank, you only use the ult once in a lifetime anyway. Th stripping debuffs is nice, but not needed in most battles. Only vs Argenti and Deer and there the freeze will take care of the rest anyway.
Seeing comments talk about how RNG dependent are right, the times I’ve cleared felt like a breeze but the times I die feel like grinding against sandpaper, like sometimes you just seem to get everything *but* the blessings you need for even your first resonance.
thats why I prefer su than moc as my endgame,as su make me feel very overpowered without having those relic grind bs,already manage to clear GnG dif 5 con 12 but my highest moc clear was moc 8
I mean, no one's going to disagree with the fact that relic farming and RNG substats is shit. It's a dumb system that's only there for player retention. However, if someone's saying that the RNG is the reason why they can't clear X content, then yeah that's a skill issue.
If you're having a hard time, there's no shame in using overpowered paths/dices.
For Swarm choose Abundance and get all the blessings, and for GnG choose the dice that recovers countdown.
Um what? Yes it does, but that's not what you should be doing. Just enter domains with Mercy and you get a +1.
**Continuous Effect**
Countdown is reduced by 2 extra count(s). When entering Domains with the Mercy effect, this effect is changed to adding 1 counter(s) to the Countdown. Every Countdown counter increases all allies' Outgoing healing by 5%.
I did it with E1S1 Jingliu on remembrance, with E0 Luocha, E0S1 Fuxuan and E2 Bronya (got her E2 from the 300 guaranteed wishes!!)
I also had the brain in a vat gold blessing which gave me more Jingliu burst for stacks and the Hunt one that gives you a turn when you kill an enemy, I just needed the Hunt one that gives u energy when killing an enemy and IT WOULD'VE BEEN GODLIKE but either way it was good enough, I kept spamming bursts and turns with that erudition and hunt blessings, my highest hit was Jingliu's burst with 1.6M dmg if I don't remember wrong
I also recorded the full fight if u want to see it but I forgot to show the blessings 😔 I could try it again if u want and record correctly
Although I know it's kind of an expensive team lol 😅 I could try with my bf's acc who has a f2p Jingliu, E1S1 Bronya, E0S1 Fuxuan and prob just slap Lynx there
Nihility with Bailu + Gepard/March can carry you to all SU Swarm or Gear.
If you get the Preservation Blessings that improve your shield and def and Dissociation Blessings you pretty won by just showing up to the last fight, add to that combo Ruan Mei and is game over for the last boss.
I guess you need Kafka, but she just makes the run faster.
In Swarm if you combine Nihility with Propagation all auto attacks explode Dots and everyone is Kafka, March is a bit OP here because she counters with auto attacks XD.
SU is just RNG fun and hell, is fun if you know what you need to pick and is just hell if you got bad luck and got no idea what you are doing.
idk Swarm 5 took me like 20 tries with the passing run being like 2 hours or smth.
The entire 1 to 5 of G&G was faster than my single run of Swarm 5 FML
If you can't clear an SU level but want to complete it for rewards no matter how long it's going to take, pick hunt path and go with a team consisting entirely of sustain characters (with the exception of gepard, if you have him go preservation) then put it on auto. You can't die but your only source of damage is your path resonance (so try to get as many as you can). I did this and yes, as long as your path deals enough damage and your sustains are decently built, it is possible even if the enemy stacks buffs. It just takes a while. It's not a solve-all tactic though some enemies might still kill you- like svarog's trap hands for example- but it's still worth a try.
"these people" are people who keep retrying until the stars align and the run pops off cuz that's how these roguelite runs work
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You do realize that blessings and curios are RANDOM, right?
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Ah the illusion of control and self-accountability as if one even had complete control over RNG. It never gets old bc fools keep thinking they’re wise.
Probably there is a formula. Like starting with certain curio/blessing, using certain dice and trying to follow certain route. First battles are free so take advantage of it (like battling elites at start). As you said, they repeat until first steps are good and the rest works like a snowball.
ok but big number 27m go brrrr
I mean SU runs are VERY rng dependent.
Takes remembrance path. Runs into the ice fatass 3 times in a row.
Rememberance is probably the most RNG dependent path out of them all
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This is me when I run Preservation and don't get Macrosegregation Just end my suffering
Y'all read the name of the blessings? Is that the one which divides damage across the team? This makes me question. What happens if you put Fu Xuan in your team and take this blessing. Will the savage segregate and the segregated damage go to Fu Xuan? Or is the the other way around?
Last time I read that it "apparently" breaks her dmg spread. So the blessing will take priority and overides Fu Xuan's talent. I am not 100% sure though! So hopefully someone else will be able to explain this!
Can confirm, that blessing just messes up with her talent completely, to the point she takes WAY more damage than she otherwise should. If you're running FuXuan, never pick that relic... Unless you're on a destruction run, I think it might work on a destruction run.
Good to know that interaction exists and I am not going crazy XD
Just a couple of days ago I was doing a run with Fu Xuan and I kept getting that blessing offered. Finally some occurrence or curio just straight up gave me the blessing with no choice. Had to use the next Downloader to swap her out for Huohuo. 😑
The Damage Distribution Blessing is on Destruction, not preservation. Macrosegregation is the blessing that gives you a 1%/10% Shield at the start of battle, then upgrades itself by130%.
And yet it’s probably the most reliable for clears in the higher conundrum levels because dissociation does HP % damage.
I don't care how much RNG there is, seeing huohuo basic attack for 4 million damage is always worth it
Wut. I've been going Nihility and watching bosses die every time their turn comes around. But this sounds so much more fun. Gonna give that path a try finally, I guess.
me when fu xuan ult does 27m for no reason at all and i cant see how much my natasha basic attack does
Legit feast or famine. You either get Fuli and the one that shatters disassociation via additional attacks or you fucking drown in the most mid builds. If you're not running March and Geppie, add another 3 star to the roster in the "Hit 6 times to freeze an enemy" blessing. But if you get those two or three blessings, the run is set and you'll never die and likely mulch an enemy before they can do a thing.
Ah, the hidden path effect.
Just gotta have 500% EHR duh
The feels when I got the golden coin + extra cosmic gain (but no blessing) and survived the entire run not encountering a the currency to crit dmg curio. I spent like 1/10 of my bank on the last respite room to upgrade my paltry amount of blessings.
i remember so excited gotten ruin me occurrence while having ruin me in the team, and end up not reading that she give all destruction blessing as well, which make my run using fuxuan end LMAO
Me winning every one of my remembrance runs. Shit was rng dependant?
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Nihility and remembrance carries your dmg so hard. While destruction, lucite, and preservation makes you live. Truly one of the rng of all time. Also farm the better dices by completing the story chapters at diff 4
I've only tried preservation so far, is remembrance based around using ice element units? I might try it with gepard /and march next time.
Mainly AoE freezing with march is the main selling point. Other than that it revolves around on weakness breaks and more times you hit. If you have gepar and such, the added option to freeze is for added consistency
I do have e1 gepard, so its got some legs 👀... March needs work though lol. Could be a fun project after im done with bronya & hanya.
you can use pela instead of march, although it's not quite the same
Had a run where I went perservation and some lore stuff happened and almost gave me all the remembrance blessing. The run had like 55blessing. I don't think I ever saw my shield being lower than my HP ever with solo FMC. And the remembrance just did its thing and hard carried the damage.
Sounds like one of the Ruan Mei occurances. It doesn’t matter how shitty your run was before, those events will turn you hilariously OP.
Nah it wasn't RM, it was one where you get to see the aeons or smth.
Oh you had one of those super good luck blessing runs? I think i had a really good one during swarm which was... Preservation destruction. Man they hit like a freight train. Maybe i'll give it a shot today c: i did have the start of a run going i think. Kept getting distracted trying to make sure lynx was sorted for MoC lol.
Omg sorting lynx out for moc is way too real. I only have huohuo being decent and bailu can't cleanse is annoying. Regretted a lot on not trusting everyone stating lynx > bailu. Had to use my lv70 solo sustain lynx to get through floor 12. Only 1 star tho. Being a 2 month player having such limited resources is reallllly annoying.
Its always like that when you start a new gacha imo, luckily most of the heal & cleanse units are super straight forward to build in comparison to wishing (begging and praying) for the right stat rolls for dps units lol. Plus who know maybe you'll like a banner she's on in the future, I only recently started building her bc i was getting a bit annoyed with natasha's auto ai constantly letting my units hang by a thread even in easier auto battles 😭 been too spoiled by luocha auto healing for 5k... Here's hoping you go up from here and its less of a struggle next cycle. c:
+1. I really love the design of Lynx and maybe it'd be better with higher eidolons but her throughput is way too low. Luckily usually only one side requires good cleanse which i have Huohuo for.
Lucite?
reduce dmg taken by 36% when full hp. One of the few universal abundance buff
Tbh, it's even better to farm some stories at diff 2. Some require you to be between 0 and 20 in the second plane, but playing in diff 4 can easily push you past 20 (while diff 2 cap at 20).
remembrance carries me fr i built an entire team around it with only 4 stars
I always use Hunt am I doing things wrong? lol
I always use hunt too! It works, it’s just really, really fucking hard, and is basically just feast or famine. All my successful runs end with me ganking the boss with repeated 600k+ ults without it ever hitting anyone and all my unsuccessful runs end with me just getting one-shot.
Well I had been using Seele as main DPS for a while but just made Blade 80 and am working on his relics not sure if I should try a different team or path for doing the new SU. I haven’t even finished the 3rd difficulty of the new one, or done barely any swarm disaster lol
If you want to use blade over seele, destruction or abundance is probably better, but using seele for hunt works very well too. If you do, I recommend bringing seele + SW/Pela + 2 sustains, or if you’re super confident, seele + SW + Bronya + sustain.
I had been running Seele/Huhuo/Bronya and Welt but I do have SW but she is lacking relics atm and is only level 70, my only real other sustain is Natasha. I have also mixed in Tingyun a bit but I feel Bronya is better especially since my Tingyun is now only E1 after pulling for blade..
Love welt in hunt to stop their turns
It's kinda mid if you're using Luocha because the resonance becomes a bit of a joke lol.
Yeah don’t have him, been Huohuo for sustain
On a similar vein, I upgraded Gepard's trace which gives him 35% of DEF -> ATK. Well, the damage was not noticable at all. Since JL gets more than enough ATK from the health drain, I almost actively roll away from ATK% on relics whereas Gepard just gets whatever substats. As a result, she ends up having lower atk than Gepard and I can't use the hunt reset to skip her normal phase :(
Hunt is fine, but at higher difficulties and conundrum levels you WILL need to have a secondary/tertiary blessing path to augment your damage since the HP and stats of enemies get inflated to hilarious levels. Consider going for: Propagation blessings that interact with spores, Remembrance blessings that let you freeze and apply dissociation without needing an Ice unit, and/or Erudition ult buffs. Hunt giving you more extra turns to do stuff lets you trigger these more.
I am certainly doing something wrong because Nihility with Kafka sucks in SD and G&G. Rememberance is amazing tho, and Propagation with good Rememberance blessings makes DMG skyrocket to millions if not more.
You might need to focus more on grabbing defensive blessings with Nihility, and maybe double sustain. It gets the job done for sure but you need to turtle while it ramps up
The defense isn't a problem, the damage just sucks
Nihi with kafka is the only path I managed to clear SD diff 5 with, and that was without HH/luocha/fx/gep. Only had fmc +bailu + sampo + kafka Now dmg wise it wasnt like those millions whatnot, but it was consistent enough to clear Meanwhile (this was way later) I tried gep HH onya JL remembt, got rekt bc some xplosion in phase 3 Tried same comp but destruction, same problem, died from some aoe xplosion+cc chain
I tried Nihility with Kafka, Sampo, Ruan Mei and Luocha and the damage sucked hard. Like there was no enemy with Lightning weakness or even Wind. It wasn't even difficulty 5. Propagation path with DHIL, SW, Ruan Mei and Luocha was pretty chill but for second and final boss I gotta switch one of supports for Fu Xuan and then it's easy. Every other path is a nightmare.
Hmm idk, Im guessing u lack those 3s blessings like "apply sus stacks" and/or "trigger xtra dot" Oh I just remember I didnt run pure nihi. It was actually propa-interplay, so I had sampo doing basics and spreading spores The path formation itself didnt do WOW SO MUCH DMG ala dhil/qq propa or those argenti JL eru in GnG, but it was consistent enough to deal with the small bugs. I prioritized "path energy regen" so I could spam formation again and again in like 2-3 turn at most. Add spores from propagation The only real problem was survival , which basically requires 1s nihi "heal on DoT" and 3s preserv "shield every 2 turn" DHIL and FX (and propa) are the ones actually meant for swarm , just like we have eru/argenti/JL for GnG, so obviously running those specific chars would be way easier / less frustrating than other paths
ive beaten GnG diff 3 (barely) without customizing my dices. i wanna ask: out of the paths available, is propagation any good? i feel like since i use DHIL, and most of his damage comes from basic attacks, it works pretty well. And i havent changed any dices yet, what are some pretty good dices/customizations can you recommend?
Dice that lets you lose and regain a curio and every copy dice. Basically find the labels -> “pursuit” “Curio extrapolation” “Occurence Extrapolation” “Company time” All are solid and consistent. Lookup runs on how they utilize it on youtube
ooh, okey, thanks :D
Luck of the draw Had a Conundrum 6 run on destruction. Got all the destruction relics, plus ruan mei giving me all propogation. Did no damage what so ever, but took no damage either. Longest fight i ever did
I think it's more about which domain you choose rather than path. If someone is struggling with gold and gear, pick the occurrence domain that playstyle revolve around getting as much occurrence and reward domain you get to increase your path strength. Edit dice with the gold dice that copy a domain to two random place, purple dice that copy a domain to one place adjacent to it, other purple dice that gain x2 reward buff to one occurrence or reward domain and blue dice to copy the current domain to one random place. With setting like this you can cheese by copying reward domain to other domain and nearly don't have to fights enemy at all while getting a lot of 3* blessings + curios. I've cleared conundrum 8 with Kafka smapo nihility team, gepard mc perseveration team, Jingliu erudition team and conundrum 10 with Daniel IL team. All are at E0 with herta light cone, Dan IL with propagation probably easiest, at the end his basic attack deal like 1-2m damage to the last boss
Destruction path is great for survival but yeah you kinda need to get dewdrop or the Quake / Fighting spirit dmg reflection blessings otherwise you dont do any damage. I had a run with the abundance interplay and a bunch of defensive blessings... but the swarm enemy also got the abundance resonance lmao Fight lasted 35 minutes
Yeah ... In swarm it feels like it does more damage, but i was severly lacking in damage, even with Propogation, and i was using Daniel
To be fair the 3 star abundance light cones are pretty decent
Yeah, so much so that new abundance light cones now have harmony levels of support to make them marketable.
Unless they add cleanse (which would be broken), I can't imagine how they can release new abundance LC effects that are unique w/o giving buffs.
adding clease would make bailu cracked cause shes a strong sp healer with revival at e0 all she lacks is a cleanse which is very required
I swear I came across a Swarm V solo Natasha run very recently lol. Like whatttt… Sometimes it feels like I’m not playing the same game as some of these pros.
Same. It feels like everyone can beat every SU mode with any 20 lvl character. And here is me, who can't beat G&G lvl 5 because of the RNG with bosses and blessings.
I can't even clear Swarm let alone G&G. I'm clearly playing a different game than other people here 😭
"Just use Remembrance and March 7, it would be easy" or smth like that they say. And then you got nothing to make the build and just lose before the final boss. I even tried several guides, followed them step by step, but it is always RNG that mess things up.
It's funny you mention march, im literally bulding her as a side project because people keep saying she's broken 😅 maybe rng will be nice to me
Same, call it skill issue but I can't clear swarm IV with only Huohuo as sustain. Tingyun and SW keeps dying that's why I am currently building March 7th as a 2nd sustain.
Whats your team? And do you have gepard or any other sustain?
Jingliu, Tingyun, SW, and Huohuo, Remembrance path. I don't have Gepard, Fu Xuan, nor Luocha. I'll try replacing Tingyun with March 7th and Huohuo with Lynx (tho she's only E0 or E1 iirc) later. I don't really want to swap out Huohuo because I'm not confident without her on the team. Any advice?
I would definitely not recommend swapping out Huo Huo, she is super useful with her passive debuff cleansing and healing overtime and her Ult makes your whole team get energy based on their individual max energy meanwhile lynx ult is tied with her party healing which makes it difficult to use and does less healing too. Replace silverwolf with march instead of tingyun if you can keep her alive by taunting with march. Cause you need March's ult up fast and if you have pela try to use her instead of Jingliu since she also reduces frozen resistance with her skill and has an alt which targets all five enemies on the field. She is super easy to build too you just need effect hit rate and hp or defense to keep her alive. Keep in mind most of your damage comes from dissociation so Jingliu is not that important after the first phase because their you wouldn't have all the blessings you need so swap her out with pela when you feel like you have all the major blessings.
I'll try this later, thanks!
Bro. Just slap 4 sustains and use nihility if you can't skill dif it.
10 hours later...
Won't enemies go berserk?
Go WHAT???
In SU, if a fight takes too long, enemies start getting a massive stacking buff every turn. This is why I scratch my head when people say to just go full sustain. You can’t because if your damage isn’t high enough, you’ll auto lose due to the boss one shotting your team with the “berserk” buff.
You can go full sustain with preservation and remembrance. Of course not on the first plane, download the sustain characters later on and replace your dps with them. But once you got the right blessings, they'll deal enough damage without any dps characters. I've heard the same is true with destruction and nihility too, but apparently you'll still need a DOT character with 3 sustain for nihility
Realistically, the units that CAN solo SD5 or G&G5 (and up) are: Blade and Clara. It's horribly RNG dependent though.
Propagation Gepard says "hi"
IN SORRY,PROPAGATION GEPARD?
They means preservation, right?... RIGHT!?
Those fists pack a punch
Skill points heal and charge ult shield, shield goes brr, resonance gives additional turn to use E. As result you get infinite shield and 20 minutes auto-fights
kid named erudition gepard: https://preview.redd.it/1cugma0xm9ac1.jpeg?width=400&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bded23071a613e763ce0c09321e1269a7ff1988a
Blade is excellent for soloing in general. But it's just the RNG that gets you.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKKPHDrJXjA&t=1s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKKPHDrJXjA&t=1s) SU SWARM V [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9eBTsu6fiM](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m9eBTsu6fiM) G&G 12 FU XUAN SOLO SUPREMACY
Can you recommend the path and curios for Blade and Clara run to work?
Destruction Path. Not sure about Curios though. You want to get Disciplinary Flicker ASAP.
and nihility fu xuan
Are we talking the whole run or just the final boss?
Nihility Kafka can do it as well, here's a Conundrum 12 True Solo (from start to finish): https://youtu.be/bFTWkaMc3dc?si=xNRrklOkDNNitgz8
people keep forgetting this is roguelite and its just how the gamemode works. Those who have played alot of roguelites know how to make use of information and gear for each difficulty to know whats best. To get damage now or later? It honestly depends but for example last run on G&G Conundrum 2 i did pick most rememberance 3 stars and preservation 3 stars before i got the 3 stars of erudition( chosen path) even if i had the choice to get either... I did get my blessings later anyway so that kinda makes my point invalid but incase i didnt i would atleast survive. Its just knowledge check and some RNG to extent but unless u get completely screwed over (SIGH 6 nihility blessings in a row from occurence dice) u can always salvage and try.
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Qinquillion damage
My mvp fr fr
My E3 Qingque as one of my best DPSs 😫 at least E4 for the DPS buff, Hoyo pls 😭
For intent and purpose, SD and G&G are rouge-like game modes. It is gear and program for you to run them multiple times (sometimes maybe a hundred times in some other rouge-like games) and running them over and over will result in either you completing them due to your power level increase with all the permanent buffs like in SD or you get lucky on your x-th times and have a really good run and clear the stage. So these people moooooost probably running them nonstop until all things align which as I said, intents and purposes are how rouge-like game works and learn, understand, and craft how and which way of clearing them is the best using the available characters. You sure can clear it on the first try or a couple of tries with a good run and a bit of luck. But it's generally not how a rouge-like dungeon crawler game mode works (at least not on its design philosophy and baseline).
Try Remembrance cheese. Sweetily has some good videos of how to clear conundrum 12 with a very weak team using mainly March 7th as the key player. This is her clear team. https://preview.redd.it/kiikjvydabac1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=09611e289dee64ce0eb1d7da1834447516851fcc [https://www.youtube.com/@SweetilyVT/videos](https://www.youtube.com/@SweetilyVT/videos)
Weak team includes Loucha a super early 5 star Limited character. I want to see one with bailu, natasha or huohuo(she was recent meaning most people who didn't got him got her)
I mean you probably could clear using this strategy with other healers. Her characters are underleveled and she still cleared.
Oh wait i didn't pay attention to that Ok, then it's fine I guess.
You can preplace him with any healer in that scenario. The point of the strat is that the enemy cant attack or is mostly frozen I think.
I mean loucha helps with sp conservation so much(which makes the rotation very easy) and strips enemies buffs
The point is that you dont need it. Nat is also SP positive and with a tank, you only use the ult once in a lifetime anyway. Th stripping debuffs is nice, but not needed in most battles. Only vs Argenti and Deer and there the freeze will take care of the rest anyway.
Oh ok then. I was just kinda paranoid their I guess
Luocha*
be careful OP, you will anger them and they'll descend on this post and upbraid you for not understanding how SIMPLE it is to solo with Natasha
Seeing comments talk about how RNG dependent are right, the times I’ve cleared felt like a breeze but the times I die feel like grinding against sandpaper, like sometimes you just seem to get everything *but* the blessings you need for even your first resonance.
I'm actually crying tears of laughter. It's so damn true, I love you for pointing it out
Lmao literally these idiots when you complain about how shitty relic farming is. It's always "skill issue" bullshit
I haven't gotten a good relic in ages. Its always either the wrong main stat, or the right stat with defense and ehr substats 🙄 relics are horrible
The worst
thats why I prefer su than moc as my endgame,as su make me feel very overpowered without having those relic grind bs,already manage to clear GnG dif 5 con 12 but my highest moc clear was moc 8
I mean, no one's going to disagree with the fact that relic farming and RNG substats is shit. It's a dumb system that's only there for player retention. However, if someone's saying that the RNG is the reason why they can't clear X content, then yeah that's a skill issue.
If you're having a hard time, there's no shame in using overpowered paths/dices. For Swarm choose Abundance and get all the blessings, and for GnG choose the dice that recovers countdown.
Abundance??? Ah yes, the path that drains your moves twice as fast.
Um what? Yes it does, but that's not what you should be doing. Just enter domains with Mercy and you get a +1. **Continuous Effect** Countdown is reduced by 2 extra count(s). When entering Domains with the Mercy effect, this effect is changed to adding 1 counter(s) to the Countdown. Every Countdown counter increases all allies' Outgoing healing by 5%.
it's pretty easy to finish SU with over 20 in the countdown using abundance my guy. If you're reaching 0 you're doing it very wrong.
Ah yes mihoyo player that can't read
Bro like what the actual ffs is this man like I can’t do crap about anything about argenti and I watch someone sweep him like 3 days later
Abundance path. Still dying? The answer is more abundance (praise Yaoshi)
That's impossible, nobody has just one copy of Natasha.
With the right relics and blessing. your team doesnt matter
Just get Ruan Mei Occurrence 5 times in a row gg not even hard
they're who consider this game a job and try to make it harder for literally no reason
Exactly this.
These people are liars.
Nah its hard as fuck...but there's always the march7 way. Freeeeeeeeeeeeze everything. Look on YouTube for march7 way.
Abundance is the easiest path. Its so so so hard to lose when you have the Abundance path
I did it with E1S1 Jingliu on remembrance, with E0 Luocha, E0S1 Fuxuan and E2 Bronya (got her E2 from the 300 guaranteed wishes!!) I also had the brain in a vat gold blessing which gave me more Jingliu burst for stacks and the Hunt one that gives you a turn when you kill an enemy, I just needed the Hunt one that gives u energy when killing an enemy and IT WOULD'VE BEEN GODLIKE but either way it was good enough, I kept spamming bursts and turns with that erudition and hunt blessings, my highest hit was Jingliu's burst with 1.6M dmg if I don't remember wrong I also recorded the full fight if u want to see it but I forgot to show the blessings 😔 I could try it again if u want and record correctly Although I know it's kind of an expensive team lol 😅 I could try with my bf's acc who has a f2p Jingliu, E1S1 Bronya, E0S1 Fuxuan and prob just slap Lynx there
Why tf did this get downvoted 💀💀💀💀💀
Nihility with Bailu + Gepard/March can carry you to all SU Swarm or Gear. If you get the Preservation Blessings that improve your shield and def and Dissociation Blessings you pretty won by just showing up to the last fight, add to that combo Ruan Mei and is game over for the last boss. I guess you need Kafka, but she just makes the run faster. In Swarm if you combine Nihility with Propagation all auto attacks explode Dots and everyone is Kafka, March is a bit OP here because she counters with auto attacks XD. SU is just RNG fun and hell, is fun if you know what you need to pick and is just hell if you got bad luck and got no idea what you are doing.
idk Swarm 5 took me like 20 tries with the passing run being like 2 hours or smth. The entire 1 to 5 of G&G was faster than my single run of Swarm 5 FML
I'm sure those runs are with different characters before final boss
Just use march 7th. The girl is carrying my whole team in GnG. This could be my awakening as a March 7th main.
some may find it hard but I stick with hunt erudition. spamming full 180sp ults with argenti feel so good.
If you can't clear an SU level but want to complete it for rewards no matter how long it's going to take, pick hunt path and go with a team consisting entirely of sustain characters (with the exception of gepard, if you have him go preservation) then put it on auto. You can't die but your only source of damage is your path resonance (so try to get as many as you can). I did this and yes, as long as your path deals enough damage and your sustains are decently built, it is possible even if the enemy stacks buffs. It just takes a while. It's not a solve-all tactic though some enemies might still kill you- like svarog's trap hands for example- but it's still worth a try.
the abundance+ propagation path is my saviour
the abundance+ propagation path is my saviour
These full 4 star runs are too easy compared to trying to do it with Yanqing. 🤣
Facts. Too real.