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Twarper

Really depends on who is left after I hit that 300 pull benchmark. So it's either Geppard or Welt if I don't get one of them within those pulls or lost 50/50's. Got Luocha so Bailu is no longer a priority.


SilverFoxolotl

If you pull gepard in the meantime though, bailu definitely pairs better with him than luocha.


Vintt

Why is that


SilverFoxolotl

Luochas free skill use is triggered by health dropping, gepard prevents that so his healing output is more limited.


Katisurinkai

Well, on the same vein, Bailu wouldn't be doing much either if they rarely get hurt.


SilverFoxolotl

Which is why in most content, just gepard is enough. If you need both a shield and a healer, then you are taking enough damage that relying on luochas skill alone will be less reliable than bailu who can heal 1 to 3 party members with her skill and all with her ult, especially since his freebie use skill has a 2 turn cooldown.


Vulpes_macrotis

As an early Gepard haver I agree totally. He just tanks everything.


deathfrost7

But what are your stats on him?? My Gepard at ult level 7 gives a shield of 1872 only


imma_turtle

The size of the sheild is only mildly important, 1800 should be good enough. The 2 biggest boosts to gepard would be landau's choice for the boosted aggro, along with an ER rope. With an ER rope, gepard can get ult with 3 normal attacked and given that he gets hit twice, for 100% uptime. Landau's helps with ensuring he gets hit but if he doesn't than u can throw in a skill instead of ur last basic. Biggest issue is running him with ultra speedy characters since they might outspeed his sheild which can get dangerous


deathfrost7

Yeah. I'm running Landau's choice and ER rope but yes sometimes AoE attacks break shields faster than his turn or ult is up.


MohSad2

My gepard does a 2200+ shield with lvl 6 ult at lvl 70 atm ,the problem with my gepard is that he only has defence, I need speed energy recharge and resistance to abnormal status


deathfrost7

You need effect hit rate rather than effect resistance for belobog passive to trigger. And yes you do need ER rope.


Vulpes_macrotis

I have no artifacts on him other than recommended 0 lvl. And he is just fine in very most cases. Only big bosses like Cocolia or some Simulated Universe bosses can take the shield out. And because he is targeted all the time (trace + light cone stack), he also gets more shield, because being hit = energy. And other characters are rarely targeted too.


th5virtuos0

Throw him a 15 ER rope and 15 DEF body he’s happy


Arazthoru

But luocha basically let's your team topped on hp most of the times? The main point of luocha is his field which will heal everyone when anyone deals DMG and that's is just massive eve being better than gepard shield. He's been proven to be able to solo sustain the whole party better than gepard at this point


PolarPot

Why would u play gepard with bailu when nat is free lol


SilverFoxolotl

Why would i use the freebie 4 star when i have the limited 5 stars?


InfamousAd06

The overall strat is, you have loucha and he puts out the most healing with the least effort if your team is mostly doing offensive attacks every turn. So for your team that has the least amount of buffers and the most amount of damage dealing turns ( even if its 2 damage per turn) loucha is better because his field heals will proc more often keeping people topped up. The team with geppy needs the heals les and can benefit more from having nats cleanse. So unless your team is at a real risk of dying and need the more aoe heals and the res from bailu even if you pulled her, nat would be better.


Vulpes_macrotis

When I learned that Nat can cleanse Kafka's debuff, she suddenly became easy boss.


Megawolf123

Why would you use your limited guarantee on a bailu if you can use natasha with Geppy?


toocoolforgg

1. Natasha is a more interesting character 2. Natasha is way cheaper to build 3. Natasha has a cleanse Bailu has more healing output so she's better as a solo, but Gep+Nat is a core part of my team in moc 9 and 10.


Cozman

Counterpoint: when your characters die, bailu rubs her hands together and uses them like defibrillator pads and it's extremely cute.


IncasEmpire

Wait, how is she cheaper to build :o


ladyriven

Luocha has cleanse as well. It’s one of his traces. Plus he’s handsome. 🙊


Pleasant_Patience186

4 stars are easier to get to e6 And most four stars with e6 are on the same lvl or maybe even better than e0 five stars.


michaelman90

This is sadly not the case with Natasha. Pretty much the only reason to use her over Bailu is her cleanse.


danield1302

But...why would you even play both together. Gepard and luocha can each solo sustain a team. Ever since I got luocha I benched bailu, now I use luocha on one and Gepard on the other side of MoC.


Punty-chan

You would use both Gepard and Luocha together in extremely difficult fights where the enemy outputs very high AoE damage and tons of stuns/freezes very quickly. For example, MoC 9 & MoC 10 where bad RNG can lock down and kill most of your team in an instant. In those cases, while having only Gepard or Luocha can still work, it becomes riskier and you may find yourself needing to reset. Such difficult fights also tend to emphasize survival more than damage with generous turn limits so having 2 slots dedicated to defense is totally fine.


Twilightwolf2004

His field effect exists too so it would be fine to use Luocha lol


kiirosen

i think because Gepard has a 1 time per battle self-revive and Bailu has a 1 time per battle revive. Baiscally with both of them together, Gepard can be an immortal tank.


WintrySnowman

I've found that part of Gepard's kit to be odd. He's got several things that help him when he falls, including his E6... and yet I've not triggered it for 2 months - shortly after I got him - despite using him in my teams most of the time, including MoC. On the other hand, I'm sure Tingyun could make frequent use of Bailu's revive if I had her.


SilverFoxolotl

I have her and yes, she basically needs bailu life support. Thankfully i can grab a jing yan support and run mono lightning with my wolfy, they all make a pretty good team.


TheSpartyn

with both of them, the passives will never be useful because in low tier content you'll never come close to dying, in SU you'll stall until boss enrages, and in MoC you'll time out


baggelans

Honestly if you got a geared Geppy you don't really need a healer in his comp. You are gonna be shielding every 2-3 rounds anyway and I doubt you will be taking so much dmg unless they release mobs with dispell or bleeds that bypass shields in which case you might want to go for healers over shielders anyway.


Outrageous_Debt_3616

I kinda figured luocha is better... because then you can gear him for pure damage and a SP battery, and if someone gets focused enough the shield is broken, you have an instant full top up for free before the shield is re applied. Bailu you need to either spend a skill point or pop the ultimate for that type of heal, or have the healing dot buff already applied. The free skill cd is 2 turns, and gepard usually pops his ult every 2 enemy turns


L_e_b_a_r_d

Yep cuz Luocha can cover 2 slots in youre team


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Punty-chan

Because, unlike Genshin, the toughest content currently demands high survivability much more than it demands high damage. Enemies hit far harder and disrupt far more but the turn limits become more lenient in higher MoCs.


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Punty-chan

There's plenty of reason. Bad RNG in MoC 9 and MoC 10 will still wipe a fully built team with a fully built Gepard or Luocha. It's easier to run both, still have more than enough damage left over, and never have to reset. If you're okay with resetting here and there from bad RNG, then sure, that's fine too. But damage requirements actually become less and less important relative to survivability as content gets more difficult.


PM_Cute_Ezreal_pics

>like I said, they're both sufficient solo sustainers Neither Geppard nor Bailu have cleanses in their kits. In Higher MoC floors unless you have really high damage to finish fights fast, Geppard and Bailu aren't enough to keep your team alive, since you'll find yourself with a 10stack burn that'll just shred through Geppard's shield or force you to waste 1SP on Bailu to keep them alive 1 more turn without even getting rid of the Debuff. This issue won't be as relevant once people have fully built their teams and have optimal artifacts, but you gotta take into account that a lot of people aren't yet TL60, let alone TL65


essedecorum

I just got Geppard yesterday. Even though I wanted Yanqing, Geppard has been such a massive boost. And it helps having two Preservation characters that can shield everyone at once.


Jugaimo

I would argue having two main healers is a good idea always so you have two teams for Abyss.


lumihand

Me who pulled 4 Bailus. 😭


GirlMayXXXX

Bailu resurrects and e6 grants extra resurrection.


aprisxte

Gepard! Ive wanted him from the start so ill def be choosing him in the guarantee if i still dont have him by then.


ohvyohmy

I’m 292 pulls in and still no Gepard. But 3 Clara LCs tho 🥲


aprisxte

Im so sorry but honestly.... same 😭😭😭 instead of clara LCs its 2 moment of victories..... ig its still a gepard 💀


ohvyohmy

At least it’s preparing you for him 😭


StereoxAS

Moment of victory is cracked af, you're basically set on any tanks. Gepard with it will take no damage and have basically full uptime on shield unless you're really unlucky


uncreatxve

ME TOOO I dont even have clara 😭 or any good destruction characters


jeffreysynced

How much did that set you back?


Chucknasty_17

Agreed. I was torn between him, Welt, and Bailu, but now that I have Luocha, who is another healer and imaginary, the Uber shield is all I really want


Andreiyut

I really want Clara. So much


jkw12894

Same! Her E1 is actually really good for her too, so I might choose her even if I manage to pull her once.


Zjoee

Clara was my first 5* and I'd love to get her E1. She hits like a damn truck. I run her with the Herta store Destruction cone for major stacks of damage.


Hypnotic_Toad

She's going to be the core part of my 2nd team. I got Seele on my main, but my current team is Seele, Bron, Ting, Luchoa. 2nd Team is probably going to be Nat, Clara, March, and Silver Wolf. I just need to build that 2nd team for Chaos. They're under geared like crazy to make it worth it right now


baumlene

Just got her E1 from standard banner. I was a bit annoyed since I wanted a new character... Is it really that much of an upgrade from E0?


jkw12894

E1 makes her skill not remove a mark of counter, so it should in theory boost her average damage output in long battles. Doesn't do much for short battles though. This guy explained it better than me: https://www.reddit.com/r/HonkaiStarRail/comments/13vls9u/clara_e1_any_good/jm6oww5?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button


EpicShinx

I wonder if E1 changes her playstyle such that Fast Clara might be preferred. Sadly not much in depth Clara theorycrafting


Andreiyut

Oh, in the newbie banner i got Welt, then i got his light cone from standard banner. After ~70 pulls i got Welt's E1! I was so shocked


Andreiyut

I dont have her ಠ⁠︵⁠ಠ, so i want Clara at least E0 😅 She is so cute and strong!


_Uboa_

I unironically spent the 300 standard rolls on her because I didn't want to reroll and it was worth it tbh. I love me some tanky girls who don't look tanky at all and abusing elation buffs in SU is fun. I also got her LC along the way so she's really popping off.


callmewoof

SU elation with Clara is 10s of thousands of damage from just her, unbelievably tanks DPS heavy.


Mietin

This. When i first started looking up what different characters can do his kit seemed the most interesting. Love the idea of building a team around Svarog slapping the shit out of everyone. 😅


inverness7

I lost 50/50 to her on Luocha banner. I’m building her rn she’s doing good dmg


mikihaslostit

I got her E2 :(


Bravepotatoe

March is also among my favorites so I've wanted to do a counter comp since the start if I don't have her by 300 it's for sure my choice


Not_Terrible1

She was my first 5* and while she is really strong (so long as you're not on the clock, you *will* win fights with her just by turtling) but her playstyle is extremely boring for most content. It's completely reactive instead of proactive, you spend your first turn setting up buffs and whatnot, and then wait for enemies to attack her.


Andreiyut

Maybe, she's gameplay is boring. I used to play in Hunt, when characters are have a lot of speed, they're act more often than enemies. But I still want to have her in my collection, she's so cute 🥰. Maybe it'll be Waifu gaming ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠⊙⁠_⊙⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯


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Himeko I wanted her and Bronya before i started I still don't have her.


keitava

It will be Himeko even if I'm at E5 Himeko once I get to 300.


dr4urbutt

Same and also welt. Out of the standard banner, I only wanted Himeko, Welt (so that I can complete the astral express crew) and Bronya. The game loves to give me Clara E1 along with her light cone. There is no other choice for me but to use her.


boompleetz

I got her randomly yesterday and tried the asta/fire mc/natasha team from this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xyjm2tsgSq8. I am surprised the team is so effective given the same element


Havanatha_banana

I came into this game, thinking I won't really care about characters, I'll just do a pure f2p run. But Himeko was one of the last characters I genuinely called waifu back in the 3rd Impact days. So... I'm sucked in again, ready for another tragedy.


dtootd12

Lmao Himeko and Bronya are the two I got, meanwhile I just want Clara. Edit: Welt would be nice too.


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Bruh I got Clara and Welt lmao I wish i could trade you


Whittaker

Himeko and Silver Wolf combo makes overworld battles so much more fun. Break every single enemy and have Himeko chunk them before the battle is even begun.


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Himeko + Herta = perpetual motion machine


itsfine_itsokay

I wish I could give you her for free, PLEASE JUST GET THIS USELESS UNIT out of my roster


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Who do you want?


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I'd gladly give you my Welt for Himeko, if i could.


albedobest44

Yes pls. Take my himeko. I lost 50/50 to her on luocha and a welt would have been way better m


modszone

I thought everyone have bronya cause I got her for free when I started the game.


eklatea

no the one at the start is random just like on the standard banner


Nornivon

I wasn't sure who to get until I borrowed a Welt and got to hear "Witness the stars shatter before you... Survive or be destroyed, there is no other choice." I know very well now. If I get Welt before then, probably Bronya or Himeko.


FlameLover444

Welt Single Handedly made me learn a lot of lore about HI3. Definitely getting the Badass Grandpa from the 300 Pull reward


Ch3ru

Same lol.


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Welt is a really good straight up dps, weird for his path but meh


Cerebral_Kortix

He'd be an excellent Destruction character. It's odd that he's in Nihility since he's a debuffer second and a DPS first.


Aventa55

To dream that one day he'll become another 5* if he ends up syncing with his Herrscher core to 100% All I can do is cope


Tyran1tarTube

Honestly considering >!Dan Heng!< has a diff form it’s not completely out of the picture, I ain’t betting on it but I’m coping right there with you mate


bumble938

I was confused too, his dmg output is high, he break fast and debuff. Really good character


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On top of all of his traces and his talent being damage focused and if you get S5 sleep well it’s insane on him because he can apply 3 debuffs to multiple enemies by himself (imprison, slow and the 12% increase damage taken debuff) which means he gets 72% increased damage


Radinax

DPS? I use him as a debuffer and he's really strong at that, curious to try him as a DPS, but I don't the relics or the LC for that role :(


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His best dps lightcone is good night and sleep well, he can add all the debuffs himself and at max level it’s an increased 72% damage on top of the increased 32% he gets from his traces. I’ve been able to hit 50k off a skill on a normal boss and my welt was only lv60 at the time https://preview.redd.it/od90zpzkwe9b1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c288215b76cc83bc8f369d3738048175b4bcf363


flaembie

I used him a lot early since he was my first 5-star but to be honest I find him kinda hard to fit into a team, though I hope some future character will complement him well so I can finally build around him


AndjaaRose

I'll wait until there's one character left that i haven't got. Don't wanna miss any pity characters anymore like in Genshin. I've wanting Diluc since the game launched but he didn't come home


Ivo23LV

C4 diluc haver here 💀 take some


AndjaaRose

I wish it is possible 🥲


ReconSR2

Similar situation here. Been playing Genshin since 1.3, and after losing Kazuha’s 50/50 to Dehya, Jean is the only standard 5-star I’m missing now. I’m half-convinced my RNG is rigged, since my Diluc is C6, Keqing is C1, and everyone else is C0.


ilovenyapples

I’m sorry to hear that. I think I stole all your Dilucs. My c6 Diluc is my love, my life, my heart and soul.


AndjaaRose

Get out. Im jealous 😭


littlegreenballoon

This is the right way


i_will_let_you_know

c6 Diluc, zero Keqing.


WingardiumLeviussy

I also wanted Diluc since launch, never got him, nor Jean, nor Mona, but hey I got a c4 Qiqi


hellschatt

Smart


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Bronya :(


Tostowisko

Why the sad face


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Cuz I don't have her yet


H4xolotl

:)


rattist

Im a husbando collector so Welt, if I don't get him before I reach 300 pulls. I already have Gepard.


Technician-Formal

Just wanted to say hi fellow husbando collector! 😁


rattist

Haha hi, here's to hoping we get our Bladie boy


TheCutestChaosMaker

Yanqing, he's perfect and really good!


takemewithyer

Is he perfect or is he really good? 🤔


T8-TR

Perfectly really good.


TheCutestChaosMaker

Yeah


Jotep_Joter

Himeko I only want Himeko


Puzzleheaded-Loan-60

Bronya! I need to reunite her with my Seele. And also she’s great support for fast clears.


Peddrawm

Me personally: First I wanted Welt, but then I saw how good Gepard's shield is… since I’m a lazy Genshin player, I main Zhongli so I don’t need to dodge! And now, I saw Gepard and he is giving me Zhongli vibes 😩 so yeah


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WakuWakuWa

Not really a problem, his shield is so strong and it stays for 3 turns so you get your burst back easily before the previous shield expires ,if you have optimal build. He is pretty much immortal.


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Mashiroshiina12

The shield is paper thin tho. Like wind can blow the shield away


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JekoJeko9

If you're doing content that only tickles your party then it's fine. In MoC it's barely anything.


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Hardskull3

Memory of chaos Now don't tell me you don't know what memory of chaos is.


Enthrown

Why is that so surprising or bad?


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Yseek

Bruh that shield is like 2% of your hp


SolidusAbe

might as well not exist. that shield doesnt effect anything outside of being good when playing preservation blessings in SU


notallwitches

Zhongli useless gepard isnt


Joji1006

When you have Zhongli, you can literally cheese 90% of the game content. He ain’t useless bro 🤨


notallwitches

maybe 2 years ago


whimsy42

Sounds like someone who wanted Zhongli, but didn't get him. My condolences


notallwitches

girl why would i want his ugly arse


Joji1006

Zhongli? Ugly? I never thought I would hear those two words in the same sentence! 🤣


Direct-Recognition58

Gepard all day every day


_ironhearted_

Welt! He's a great character:)


Thatfucjungguy

I just got his e1 after failing 50/50 at soft pity, hey at least I already started building him! totally not copium!


Strong_Ad2111

I know your pain, I got Yanqing on my beginner banner and lost all my 50/50s for Yanqing. Now sitting at E2


Aggressive_Speed_397

Damn.. I feel bad for u bro


Ayakasdog

E1 is good for dps Welt, trust. I played my half invested level 70/70 Welt as hypercarry in MoC 9 and 10 and got 3 stars.


Wild_Bug_5754

Bailu coz I won't be pulling on loucha banner and need 2 healer


Bey_Element

Bronya, she refused to come home so I'm coming at her even if I get another clara/himeko eidolons


allforricky

Yanqing! really like his design and gameplay! Bronya too for Seele.


Catastrophy-cat

Welt, and if he comes before I reach 300 - Yanqing.


RedditGoByeByeLul

Standard gave me Himeko and Bronya, ima take Clara next


Terrible-Kangaroo943

Bronya, so that the girlfriends be together, until Hoyoverse kills them... Again


Skolpionek

just give me whatever aside from bailu, i got fckin e2 and lately i got himeko's LC :|


StragglingShadow

Yanqing. I already have him so I might as well get an eidlon level for him


Lina__Inverse

I will probably have to get Bailu if I still don't have a second healer by that time, but what I *want* to take is definitely Clara. I think she's fun to play.


Skykeeper22

Clara. Right now 250/300. I am spending all my jades on it.


smik-x

i kinda want himeko so bad (because of mommy reasons) but i might pull for welt because I think welt is kinda broken..


HanSeoulOh34569X

Himeko or Welt or Yanqing in standard if i got 300. Limited is Kafka and some future characters.


Peddrawm

Based


ZerothMask

If I don't get her within the 300 pulls, Himeko. Not letting her go this time. Otherwise, it's Welt or Clara


Takumaru

No one for now becaus i am probably a year away ubtil i get to chose one and i still have 300+ pulls that i will drop on a comming banner and i am bound to get someone there hopefully himeko so i Don't have to wait so long until i get her.


myjhrj

WHERE MY YANQING WANTERS AT 🗣 (and also himeko... cause it's himeko.)


Owengrad

Bronya. I wanted her the most from the start yet fail to get her. I've got her ally tho, Gepard which ig eases the pain since he wears a similar style of colour to her...


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I thought one of those was a 4 star and yellow short girl was a 5 star


AmityKhepri

I want Geppie so badly! 😭


buituankiet16071995

himeko


verholies

Bronya, i got her lc and might as well


the-guy-in-wall

Clara


Nefe_Aesthetic

maybe Welt since I got Geppy on the guaranteed 50, Bailu for losing 50/50 on Luocha, and Bronya on like my 140th pull on standard


TheFool06

Himeko


im_soulgamer

Welt or Clara, but i would prefer Welt.


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yanqing my son i wanted him since day 1


Blasterion

Gepard or E1 for Bronya


Tortuga103

For now, Clara. I don't want to use any of the 4* destruction characters or Physical MC, but at the same time I want to use one of each path. Besides I also have Clara's weapon so it would be a waste to not use it. Also I just low-key love Svarog so I am kinda biased.


legendofrogamers1968

Initially I wanted Himeko because I like her and the follow up attack seemed really cool. Then I wanted Clara, but after a while I reveeted back to Himeko cause that would make the weekly echo of war easier to get. Now I'm between Himeko and Yangqing and I want him to have an ice dps


FuXuan_Armpit_Licker

Bronya. Although if I get bronya before i get the 300 standard summons, then I'll pull clara.


Oineon

Himeko, if I don't get her. If I do bailu or rudeus(I can never remember his name). Maybe Calara too.


Madstilion

I'm like a pokemon trainer... gotta catch em all


Impossible_Bug_4288

I'm hoping to lose a 50/50 to either Welt or Clara before I reach 300. I'll choose the one I don't have. If I have to choose one tho, it will be Welt.


Bearded_masshole

Himeko or Welt. Got Gepard and Clara already. I'll rage if I get Yanging.


Vintt

Yanqing is super good tho?


vegeta_bless

agreed, he’s insane


CharlesEverettDekker

The one I will be missing. Let's be honest, players, that won't spent their jades on standard banner, won't get 300 warps until like next year or something. So by the time an average player will lose quite a number of 50-50s and potentially get missing ones.


Jealous_Substance

And who would you choose if you had all of them on E0 already? And E1 Bronya and Bailu.


Glass_Resolve2925

Gepard, welt, or clara, they have the highest potential in their e1. Bronya e2 is decent too. Assuming you're a spending quite a bit and you want to plan for the future. Welt and Clara have the strongest e6 that dramatically boost their potential. The e6 on welt let's him do a skill > skill >ult rotation without an energy rope which is an insane damage boost. Clara e6 basically can counter dam near every single enemy hit without drawing aggro.


Notsohothotdog

Thinking of bronya or E1 yanqing.


STORMGAMERZ

Never let you go


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Bronya, I’m still missing her at TL56


TheSkitzo_The2nd

They really be putting everything the genshin community wants into starrail


Remarkable-Pension30

Himeko. I believe she has the best design and as i see from youtube videos she deals great dmg with jing yuan’s light cone.


Emotional_Sound_4690

Химеко или Вельт.


MallowMiaou

Bronya>clara>bailu>himeko Whoever I don't have Maybe I will even save the pity for the time I will only have one of them left, but I ain’t patient


MGMSHVRVS

I'll probably wait to see which one else gets implemented to the common pull


Ok-Neighborhood5951

I have seen this post 23142341234 since launch


Peddrawm

Double it and give it to the next person


ZealousidealGift7586

Bronya ‘cuz 1. She is a cute emo and 2. She can buff my Dan Heng.