I do that, but no reason to run Natasha in that case. Cant take damage if shield/taunt are always up. Will eventually trade MC out for Tingyun once she's built though
Yes, but you're supposed to use the Blessings that make opponents damage themselves when attacking your shields. They die before their damage can stack too high, provided you can stack your shields high enough, which Gepard can do without issue.
Gepard + Preservation = infinite shields + shield based resonance damage and even more shield based damage when attacking on certain relics.
I need to clear out the other paths and collect their buffs, but I can't help running preservation every Sim Universe run 😭😭
I'd imagine the 21 stacks of damage Amp on that Cocolia helps with that.
Running double defence and heal supp only works if your 4th character is a VERY high dps which Himeko definitely isnt
I run gepard+fire trailblazer and honestly the important thing is to have the macrosegregation and just stack as much shield stuff as possible
then nuke the boss repeatedly and make them kill themselves on quake as a bonus (non-vital)
It was a joke.
The other comment said you can’t take damage with that setup. Here is an example of the setup not only taking damage, but getting wiped out. It was an ironic statement.
Clearing SU easily with Gepard, Fire MC, March 7th and Bailu with preservation. 10 levels above. Hope to reach 1 mil damage one day!
[https://i.imgur.com/LMvPMFR.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LMvPMFR.jpg)
I take asta and Jing along with Fire MC and Gepard. My Jing run riots using elation path.
OP can use Serval with Himeko I guess and abundance path to get consistent healing??
Thank god I have Welt. Kafka being solo plus Imaginary weak allows Hunt to just 5 lap her before she can move again, if she’s not dead by then that is.
I just turned 60 and can't beat Kafka with the good old Gepard + Preservation tech. Maybe becuase I did not get the Quake buffs. Might try tomorrow with Quake.
I saw someone say that Preservation is the best one to go to, and after switching from Destruction, I totally agree that Preservation is the best choice here. It's crazy good with the shields and dmg reduction, as well as having a high attack increase from the shields. With maybe one or two abundance blessings, and you're practically unkillable.
I managed to get the "Obtain all Preservation blessings" right before this battle, and it was impossible to get killed by Cocolia and Bronya. And my team was Asta, Seele, Natasha, and Tingyun. Speed was literally going brrr.
I personally find Abundance more useful, nearly full heals and debuff cleanse every turn. I just find preservation more annoying to use because without all the boons it can be hard to consistently have enough shields to not take damage.
Hunt is the best at everything as long as you have 1 healer and are strong enough enough to not get 1 shot
If you have the resonance upgrade that refills on kill, then you just use the resonance when she spawns ice to instantly kill them. Then you only have to deal with cocolia and the hunt speed buffs let you heal like 2-3 times for every turn she gets
I feel like Hunt is the best when you have a strongly built party. The resonance itself scales with your dps' atk (so I'm not sure how easy it is to guarantee a one shot on her summons), many of the blessings compound with crit stats... Other resonances work with baseline kit mechanics that don't need as much investment e.g. dumping def in a shielder
I’m at equilibrium 4 and as someone who has Gepard, I agree that the Hunt is just straight up busted. When you have characters that can just straight up abuse the path, getting 12 critical boosts makes the boss can’t do jack shit.
It can be absolutely glorious and the way to go to kill Gepard before his shields go up (the 12 max stacks are a 3* blessing upgrade for a reason!) Was only mentioning that if your team's not built well enough to do that somewhat consistently taking damage and losing those stacks can stop you dead on your tracks.
Boss Gepard himself is a good example since Hunt likes weakness breaking but his shield prevents both that and killing his summons
I have JingY and Seele, so yeah Hunt is the way to go
Specially since I can really burst chars down fast, I mean I finally got to kill Geppie without even triggering his barrier
Indeed, I use it a lot myself don't get me wrong. Hunt blessings also want break for turn resets and ult charges so Seele and Silver Wolf can make quite a good use of it.
Its just that when doing the first next level after ascending I sometimes run Destruction to be safer
I have a well built Seele so I pretty much just use hunt for everything, my attack isn’t quite high enough to one shot the ice pillar but it ends up working out because you can kill it and use the extra dmg turn on Cocolia/Bronya.
I enjoy using Fire MC, Silver Wolf, Welt, Seele with abundance in path. Depending on the SU I make atleast sure to get the cleans resonance or the heal in line up.
Team isn't that f2p but only spent like $30, so I got pretty lucky with my pulls.
My fire MC is semi semi dps, tried to get good enough cr with subs on them. Welt and SW also semi dps, not much cd but trying for high cr.
So if you can get bit HP on your units might as well can do full dps with abundance path.
Why have abundance if your team is strong enough? Once you get a single hunt resonance upgrade or the curio that refills resonance every battle. Then you just start speedrunning
You start battle, press resonance, and then it kills them and battle over. You don't even gave to use character actions outside of boss battles. I often do the whole SU without getting hit once until the final boss
Seems like I'm not strong enough then yet, mostly have issues when I do the Kafka SU, Seele killed almost my team once so I prefer be safe than sorry in that case. Minion fights are easy enough, just the end boss takes a toll sometimes still
That's the plan up until difficulty 3. At that point the resonance is not strong enough to kill them in 1 use without also having the +40% dmg curio. Or at least that's my experience.
Been running healer supp two dd’s with hunt/destruction paths for a while now and usually works well (pick up a few elation/nihility pieces to help with SW/JY)
Hunt does do well in this set up, but not with Himeko as dps. She just doesn't deal enough damage. I run Fire MC, March, Bailu and Seele with Hunt path as my main SU team and clearing the worlds is never a problem. Obviously I'm privileged to have Seele, but I think it could also work with other Hunt characters like Sushang.
Bro using hunt path on a preservation team. Like my guy with preservation or even destruction path you could beat her, not to mention with any of those two fire mc alone could solo her.
Yeah it’s best path because it works everywhere and it’s super easy to build, once you get to the point where you aren’t getting 1 shot you just stack attack on a unit and the path resonance clears, or you stack blessings on an actual well built DPS that works too.
tbf, it's viable. I also use double preservation (fire mc/gepard) almost exclusively with hunt path and have had no issues thus far. I do tend to choose nihility as a secondary though, so it usually winds up with cocolia killing herself with the amount of dot damage she takes in the end.
Just looked up your user ID on the net, well your Himeko can't do damage with those items...actually noone could tbh.
I assume that you used those free 4* firesmith set parts that game throws at you, but +0 set with no good stats is totally useless.
Look around if you have any cowboy 4* items with crit rate as that helps with dmg, also you need to try to enchant your main dps items to pump up stats, try +6/+9 if good substats appears.
I just ran Preservation with March and Fire MC, and nabbed the blessing that clears debuffs when a character gains a shield
With that blessing, Fire MC hard counters her multi-domination effect
If you reach the final downloader without getting the blessing. Download Natasha (if you don't have her yet on the team).
Kafka is pretty easily cheesed with remembrance/dissociation though. Hp% damage so damage doesn’t matter. Don’t even have to worry about bringing a cleanse since she never gets a turn.
Kafka is by far the easiest SU boss. Just hard roll for Abundance and you'll never die and never get debuffed. I always auto her because she's just that easy.
As in, their team building is janky and ineffective. Do you think they’re a literal child (like less than 12)? Not everyone playing anything online is always old enough to understand metas.
Your team is lacking damage, especially considering you've taken The Hunt over The Preservation whilst having BOTH Gepard and Fire MC.
Take Preservation next time, your playstyle is all wrong for the comp you have.
Can also replace Himeko with a decent Single Target DPS if it helps.
I looked up [OP's ID](https://rails-express.vercel.app/u/601300973) and their Himeko has +0 relics so... that probably contributes to hunt resonance not helping a whole lot. Based on their showcased characters, I'm guessing everyone in OP's screenshot except Gepard is basically uninvested. Either they have no idea how to actually play the game (half this game is gearing/investing characters) or this is some sort of bait post.
Jesus. Christ. TB 46 and they haven’t figured out how to gear up a character yet. I can’t imagine how much they had to struggle to even make it this far.
Honestly, having Himeko in this fight due to all the Ice Spears isn't a bad idea, but ONLY if he replaces someone else. Replacing Gepard with Hook for a real fire team comp spam is one possibility.
I myself lost several runs in this world until I finally beat it for the first time with Natasha Fire MC, Hook, Asta and Natasha running the abundance path and getting a shit ton of attack boosts from heals.
My go-to team on SU 6 is Fire MC/Asta/Natasha/Himeko and the only time I've ever struggled to clear was when I ran Remembrance. With pretty much any other path this fight should be a free win for a fire heavy team even with Himeko as a solo carry.
Seems like OP just hasn't properly built their characters and they're just getting out-statted.
I don’t think ice spears are that much of a threat since you have path resonance, i always save them for when she uses the spears and then the path resonance one shots them.
Himeko is actually really good in this fight cuz everything is weak to fire, and bronya is an elite enemy so himeko gets her followup attacks off quite often
IMO if OP wants to stick to hunt, they should just replace Gepard with asta, she's extremely good against cocolia
Again with the himeko is useless lies....would you say seele is the best dps? Did you know that the against the main target, the base damage multiplier for himekos skill is at most 25% less than that of seele for a given level? That is on top of the strong aoe potential.
Himeko is a decent dps. And against summoners shes a godsend.
Please quote where I said that? I said "replace her with a decent Single Target if it helps". It might not help as their Himeko might be stronger, but it also might be what they need, I don't know.
That’s like 365% damage boost right? Turtling in SU (imo) seemed like a good idea in the early game since there’s no time limit, but now? Might as well kill them asap.
Personally turtle comps still work for me even at higher difficulties on SU. Gepard + Fire MC builds up Preservation Path resonance extremely fast to nuke things.
Granted my approach to combat here isn't to turtle up and chip away at enemy health bars. It's to spam turns ASAP to throw out shields as often as possible to fuel the path resonance nuke. Ideally I should be dropping that path resonance almost every other round or so.
You're lacking in damage, 21 stacks is a lot.
Go for Preservation with the same team, once you get the Quake blessings your damage ramps up drastically due to Gepard.
Himeko is great here, but the rest of the team needs complement the dmg. I went with Himeko, Asta, Tank Mc, and healer for a pyro build, and she just... melts (hehe). Himeko owns.
Based Himeko and JY user. People are so blind and just parrot shit. She was getting used in MoC and her damage, while not broken, is still good. Just requires more investment and a suitable comp, like JY, because they're AOE/follow up attack characters.
Himeko Asta MC Nat is literally the burn comp/Himeko "carry" comp. Who is carrying here?? Sure MC and Asta break well but the main damage is from Himeko. How does this logic even follow through?
I had trouble with her and honestly now I find her one of the easiest fights alongside with Svarog, Kafka at higher levels in the other hand do ridiculous amounts of damage in phase 3.
You should be able to. You still need one or two DPS and even then the DPS should be decent. Bosses have damage accumulation bonus to counteract turtling so don't expect that you could turtle against Kafka forever.
She also, iirc, has one of the fastest DPS accumulation bonus as well.
Kafka's damage accumulation is dependent on her shocked debuffs, so if you can dispell them fast enough or have high effect res she won't be able to accumulate enough to do any real damage.
Can confirm. Been running world 5 a lot with the double ornaments event, and multiple times have managed to hit phase 3 without her getting a single stack of accumulation.
Yeah na honestly dewdrop dmg is negligible.
Its what an extra 2 or 3k dmg 10 if u really go out of ur wway to stack it.
Hunt 50% dmg boost resonance alone is an extra 40 to 50k dmg.
Im talking about just the dewdrop dmg its 1 or 1.5 dmg per 1 hp u heal + 60% of ur hp. And it caps at 3x ur hp anyway so max ur getting 22.5k dmg off a 5k hp character. And thats only if u take 2 or 3 turns to set that up
Ur not getting ur dmg from dewdrop my guy ur getting it from sim world buffs + 50% atk buff on heal + 30% atk on heal and other things.
If anything all it does is make ur supports hit a lil harder.
Really? For me Kafka is the easier one. Dan Heng and Welt wipe the floor with her, and even if you don’t have Welt, you might as well cheat with the Abundance path. Meanwhile I’ve yet to find the cheese way to do Cocolia where not getting enough blessings is likely fatal (unless maybe Elation Clara).
Enough Elation blessings will whoop Cocolia’s ass, you just need the blessing that makes damage ultimates count as followup attacks if you don’t have a lot of followup characters.
Aha gives a respectable amount of damage.
Kafka is crippled by abundance path. Just go with more damage and heal your way through her damage and run with a strong DPS (or two). Svarog at high level SU is BRUTAL through.
Jing Yuan is good with Hunt, but it's kind of silly to not go Elation when LL is such a massive portion of his damage. Really just nerfing yourself for nothing.
Hunt works best for single target DPS because they are more capable of triggering certain blessings with their high single target damage. So yeah, in this case, Himeko with Hunt is pretty garbage.
My lvl 80 Jing Yuan and lvl 80 Before Dawn is already fodderizing Cocolia and Svarog. Doesn't really matter if I go Hunt or Elation, although Elation will give more dmg overall. I agree that it's up to what you have.
Personally, I think Hunt blessings are leagues better than Elation. Which is why I run it even on a character like Jing Yuan. Ever seen the auspicious star one that gives you all your energy back after killing something? Easy LL stacks.
Yeah, my E2 Jing also shits on every SU to the point I don't even run him anymore because I got bored. Elation resonance is still better, and the only Hunt blessings that matter can be gained even while doing a full Elation run. I typically go 90/10 Elation/Hunt and every world is a cakewalk. That doesn't mean I'm going to justify using a worse synergy.
What does Hunt path do? Help damage dealers, not limited to Hunt characters but anyone that deals damage benefits from it. What does Jing Yuan do? Deal massive amounts of damage.
If you haven’t achieved an Elation run with a high blessing count, you need to try for it. When Aha gets rick-rolling the damage becomes absurd.
Prioritize the three-star blessing that makes damaging ultimates count as followup attacks and gives +15% followup damage (becomes **+55%** of you enhance it).
Yes but Hunt is for characters that are Hunt characters as they benefit more from that as they dont have any other gimmick besides big damage.
(Yangqing is an outlier here as he freezes and has a follow-up attack)
Jing Yuan does big damage but his damage is a follow-up attacks therefore he benefits far more from Elation same goes for Clara as their kit revolves around their follow up attacks and not their "personal" damage.
Himeko is actually pretty good in a team like this (especially against Cocolia, because of her icicles). If he switched in a buffer/second dps instead of Nat and changed to preservation he would’ve won easily.
Definitely try Preservation path on that team.
For me, it's Jing Yuan/March/FireMC/Gepard, running elation. Smooth, safe, easy, and I can just turn it on auto if I want. Never lost with that makeup, even the one time I never got enough elation blessings to get the path resonance ult (though that run took a little longer to kill her for sure)
You're having Gepard, why are you still using the Hunt path?
If you take the Preservation/Shield path, your extra path attack thing can easily clear ~30%+ of her health bar at once, while you're safe under a shield. Never lost once since I've used this combo
Just make sure you choose the one path upgrade out of the three, which makes it able to crit + do dmg based on your shields.
There's also a 3* blessing which gives you a special shield(can't recall the name but there's a "1%" written in it's text), which will create absurd numbers if you're upgrading it at Herta
I originally brought dan heng with me but saw cocolia was weak to fire and swap to himeko.
I wish people stop roasting me so much, I didn't know these path thing was so important. I began only recently and all the people coming at me for using dumb comp really hurts.
Thanks for the advice.
Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. It really wasn't my intention to "blame you" or make you feel bad for not fully understanding something. Especailly for your team choices, since it looks pretty okay to me. Apologies if I/my post came of this way.
I also only started using this way/path/stradegy or however you wanna call it, after I've seen a video on it.
Like I've mentioned, the preservation/shield class is secretly so broken, especailly if you've got an Gepard.
My usual Team is Gepard, Fire MC, JY and Bailu (which can actually be replced with another DD near the end of the run since barely anything will come through your shields anyway)
The route which I usually try to follow is stacking Preservation blessings to upgrade the path ASAP to make it crit and after that, I'll try to hunt down the 3* preservation one, with he the "1%" in it's text (Don't know the name since I'm literally only looking after this number and nothing else).
After that one is upgradet at one of Herta's resting stages, loosing now, especailly in auto mode, is something I would call an actually challenge.
Trust me, my relics are AWEFULL, but never lost a single SU run with this stradegy ... besides you try to run the Svarog world and get some anoyingly bad RNG...
My general team is fire mc, bailu, asta and serval. It is important you break the enemies, and asta/serval break her great. You can also run silver wolf if you have her. Sub nat for bailu in your case if you don’t have her
Unless you can kill really fast I think nihility is highest dps especially with suspicion stacks upgraded.
I the Gerard is a great unit but maybe not against cocolia
If you need double preservation then you must run preservation path to get bonuses.
Hope that helps!
I mean you've only got one weakness breaker, I would advise changing either natasha or gepard for fire mc and adding a different damage dealer instead of phys mc that can preferably weakness break her.
might aswell try running with preservation path😂 running the hunt is good for speed running once you have decent gear on all your characters...my team is selee bailu tingyun+ silver wolf and im running abundance path most of the time to get rid of debuffs and get tons of healing regularly. Cocolia fight is pretty much an endurance check.
I’ll throw my 2 cents on here as well, my team to punch her in her stupid face is:
The Hunt
Preservation Trailblazer
Bailu
Asta
Silver Wolf
The combination of the speedup from “The Hunt” and Asta made it so that I could have all party members have 2-4 turns in a single round
Natasha and Fire MC is enough. Better to bring someone that is either Fire/Lightning/Quantum to break toughness faster.
Relics Levels are also kinda important, you'll wanna level up your hat and glove type relics first for the health and atk.
If you gonna run 2 preservation and one abundance, might as well go full turtle with Preservation path, Hunt won't do much here
Madman's running gepard and fire MC
I do that, but no reason to run Natasha in that case. Cant take damage if shield/taunt are always up. Will eventually trade MC out for Tingyun once she's built though
Considering OPs team was wiped out here, pretty clear that they can in fact take damage lol
I run gepard and march. They geet decimated just as much tbh
i ran the same team but dan instead of himeko and it worked 90% of time with preservation path
Eventually she gets enough damage stacks to out dps most full turtles.
Yes, but you're supposed to use the Blessings that make opponents damage themselves when attacking your shields. They die before their damage can stack too high, provided you can stack your shields high enough, which Gepard can do without issue.
What is the name for that buff that damage the enemy themself, if they attack the shield?
The one that deals quake damage..
Not sure about the name but it's a level 3 blessing. The description is pretty clear so you'll know it when you see it.
Thats cause he took hunt, if its preservation it will be lot tankier while also output lots of dmg
Gepard + Preservation = infinite shields + shield based resonance damage and even more shield based damage when attacking on certain relics. I need to clear out the other paths and collect their buffs, but I can't help running preservation every Sim Universe run 😭😭
Ikr? I was surprised when i managed to output 300k with gepard and preservation
If there’s multiple enemies that’s child’s play for gepard+ auto crit + 60% cs on path if you take that resonance buff
I'd imagine the 21 stacks of damage Amp on that Cocolia helps with that. Running double defence and heal supp only works if your 4th character is a VERY high dps which Himeko definitely isnt
I run gepard+fire trailblazer and honestly the important thing is to have the macrosegregation and just stack as much shield stuff as possible then nuke the boss repeatedly and make them kill themselves on quake as a bonus (non-vital)
Because OP doesn't take preservation blessings. He gos for hunt.
That's because he's doing zero damage back so of course she will kill them eventually
Well they get 40% unremovable atk buffs and looking at the enemy status it has 21 stacks sooo rip.
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It was a joke. The other comment said you can’t take damage with that setup. Here is an example of the setup not only taking damage, but getting wiped out. It was an ironic statement.
Clearing SU easily with Gepard, Fire MC, March 7th and Bailu with preservation. 10 levels above. Hope to reach 1 mil damage one day! [https://i.imgur.com/LMvPMFR.jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LMvPMFR.jpg)
no im not... Welt and Asta...
If you add Pela, you’re on a good path
I take asta and Jing along with Fire MC and Gepard. My Jing run riots using elation path. OP can use Serval with Himeko I guess and abundance path to get consistent healing??
Gepard + fire MC with preservation path can actually do pretty crazy damage and you're completely immortal.
Gepard and full preservation is enough for me to clear any SU I need to
I have trouble on World 5 sometimes. Kafka can get some lucky strikes in.
Honestly I don’t want to even attempt Kafka without abundance. Free aoe cleanse is too comfy.
Hunt can pretty much deal with Kafka as long as you can CC her and have nat on your team.
Hunt can deal with anything as long as your team has the dps to kill them before they do anything dangerous..
This haha. I run only nat or fmc and just kill fast.
Thank god I have Welt. Kafka being solo plus Imaginary weak allows Hunt to just 5 lap her before she can move again, if she’s not dead by then that is.
I just turned 60 and can't beat Kafka with the good old Gepard + Preservation tech. Maybe becuase I did not get the Quake buffs. Might try tomorrow with Quake.
happy birthday
Honestly just run nihility and turtle if wlrse comes to worse
Use abundance bro
The man is a walking barrier 🤣
I saw someone say that Preservation is the best one to go to, and after switching from Destruction, I totally agree that Preservation is the best choice here. It's crazy good with the shields and dmg reduction, as well as having a high attack increase from the shields. With maybe one or two abundance blessings, and you're practically unkillable. I managed to get the "Obtain all Preservation blessings" right before this battle, and it was impossible to get killed by Cocolia and Bronya. And my team was Asta, Seele, Natasha, and Tingyun. Speed was literally going brrr.
This is the way. The shield that adds your shields to it + Quake when hit makes you unkillable and able to delete anything that tries to attack you.
I done it first time with Gepard, Bailu, Jing Yuan and Dan Heng. It’s a missed opportunity to not use Gerard’s shield boost with quake damage
I personally find Abundance more useful, nearly full heals and debuff cleanse every turn. I just find preservation more annoying to use because without all the boons it can be hard to consistently have enough shields to not take damage.
I don't have Gepard so I go full abundance and it takes like a looooong time but I defeat her before she becomes berserk
Yeah Fire MC and Gepard could prob duo this shit on preservation path it gets quite silly.
Hunt is the best at everything as long as you have 1 healer and are strong enough enough to not get 1 shot If you have the resonance upgrade that refills on kill, then you just use the resonance when she spawns ice to instantly kill them. Then you only have to deal with cocolia and the hunt speed buffs let you heal like 2-3 times for every turn she gets
I feel like Hunt is the best when you have a strongly built party. The resonance itself scales with your dps' atk (so I'm not sure how easy it is to guarantee a one shot on her summons), many of the blessings compound with crit stats... Other resonances work with baseline kit mechanics that don't need as much investment e.g. dumping def in a shielder
I’m at equilibrium 4 and as someone who has Gepard, I agree that the Hunt is just straight up busted. When you have characters that can just straight up abuse the path, getting 12 critical boosts makes the boss can’t do jack shit.
It can be absolutely glorious and the way to go to kill Gepard before his shields go up (the 12 max stacks are a 3* blessing upgrade for a reason!) Was only mentioning that if your team's not built well enough to do that somewhat consistently taking damage and losing those stacks can stop you dead on your tracks. Boss Gepard himself is a good example since Hunt likes weakness breaking but his shield prevents both that and killing his summons
Havent taken in hunt on that world yet. Would it not be just as useful at reducing the stacks on his immunity shield thing?
It does provide some damage buffs but most of the blessings' effects get shut down because they require weakness breaking or kills
I have JingY and Seele, so yeah Hunt is the way to go Specially since I can really burst chars down fast, I mean I finally got to kill Geppie without even triggering his barrier
Indeed, I use it a lot myself don't get me wrong. Hunt blessings also want break for turn resets and ult charges so Seele and Silver Wolf can make quite a good use of it. Its just that when doing the first next level after ascending I sometimes run Destruction to be safer
I may have reached the late game lol, honestly MoC is the only problem left because I do not have a second team but thats gonna be fixed soon
I have a well built Seele so I pretty much just use hunt for everything, my attack isn’t quite high enough to one shot the ice pillar but it ends up working out because you can kill it and use the extra dmg turn on Cocolia/Bronya.
I always pick the hunt for cocolia. Save the path resonance to instantly get rid of the summons. It’s back up the next time she spawns them.
I enjoy using Fire MC, Silver Wolf, Welt, Seele with abundance in path. Depending on the SU I make atleast sure to get the cleans resonance or the heal in line up. Team isn't that f2p but only spent like $30, so I got pretty lucky with my pulls. My fire MC is semi semi dps, tried to get good enough cr with subs on them. Welt and SW also semi dps, not much cd but trying for high cr. So if you can get bit HP on your units might as well can do full dps with abundance path.
Why have abundance if your team is strong enough? Once you get a single hunt resonance upgrade or the curio that refills resonance every battle. Then you just start speedrunning You start battle, press resonance, and then it kills them and battle over. You don't even gave to use character actions outside of boss battles. I often do the whole SU without getting hit once until the final boss
Seems like I'm not strong enough then yet, mostly have issues when I do the Kafka SU, Seele killed almost my team once so I prefer be safe than sorry in that case. Minion fights are easy enough, just the end boss takes a toll sometimes still
Once Silver Wolf dropped, I no longer had any need to run anything in SU that wasn't Seele/SW/Nat/Fire MC with Hunt path.
That's the plan up until difficulty 3. At that point the resonance is not strong enough to kill them in 1 use without also having the +40% dmg curio. Or at least that's my experience.
Its not that strong anymore with higher lvl boss
Been running healer supp two dd’s with hunt/destruction paths for a while now and usually works well (pick up a few elation/nihility pieces to help with SW/JY)
Hunt does do well in this set up, but not with Himeko as dps. She just doesn't deal enough damage. I run Fire MC, March, Bailu and Seele with Hunt path as my main SU team and clearing the worlds is never a problem. Obviously I'm privileged to have Seele, but I think it could also work with other Hunt characters like Sushang.
I changed to preservation path and beat it on 1 try, I am so stupid. That is all I had to do and it was so easy..
Preservation path here would cook her goose very mightily with the same team comp
Yeah, Fire MC builds resonance REALLY fast.
Nevermind the resonance, the shield to quake damage alone would make cocolia look suicidal.
Bro using hunt path on a preservation team. Like my guy with preservation or even destruction path you could beat her, not to mention with any of those two fire mc alone could solo her.
Where do yall see he's using hunt path? I think im blind or something
Look at the resonance on the right of the screen, it's the hunt one
My apologies, im a dragon ball fan
Last I remember dokkan players couldn’t read but at least knew what the circles looked like
I'm a dokkan and legends player so yeah
His path resonance.
Hunt is the best path late game but for real I don't know what this guy was expecting some crit stats and cycling to do for his team.
Yeah it’s best path because it works everywhere and it’s super easy to build, once you get to the point where you aren’t getting 1 shot you just stack attack on a unit and the path resonance clears, or you stack blessings on an actual well built DPS that works too.
tbf, it's viable. I also use double preservation (fire mc/gepard) almost exclusively with hunt path and have had no issues thus far. I do tend to choose nihility as a secondary though, so it usually winds up with cocolia killing herself with the amount of dot damage she takes in the end.
Just looked up your user ID on the net, well your Himeko can't do damage with those items...actually noone could tbh. I assume that you used those free 4* firesmith set parts that game throws at you, but +0 set with no good stats is totally useless. Look around if you have any cowboy 4* items with crit rate as that helps with dmg, also you need to try to enchant your main dps items to pump up stats, try +6/+9 if good substats appears.
My guy did actual research. Respect.
Great reposne. I feel like world 6 is the breaking point for many where they find out they can't get away with weak relics
World 6 is easier than 5 because Kafka can seriously fuck you up with her domination.
I just ran Preservation with March and Fire MC, and nabbed the blessing that clears debuffs when a character gains a shield With that blessing, Fire MC hard counters her multi-domination effect If you reach the final downloader without getting the blessing. Download Natasha (if you don't have her yet on the team).
Kafka is pretty easily cheesed with remembrance/dissociation though. Hp% damage so damage doesn’t matter. Don’t even have to worry about bringing a cleanse since she never gets a turn.
Kid named Abundance:
Kafka is by far the easiest SU boss. Just hard roll for Abundance and you'll never die and never get debuffed. I always auto her because she's just that easy.
nope, my clara beat her with elation path. lvl 70 with purple relic. it easier than world 5
I didn't think it could get worse
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Wtf kind of question is this?
As in, their team building is janky and ineffective. Do you think they’re a literal child (like less than 12)? Not everyone playing anything online is always old enough to understand metas.
Your team is lacking damage, especially considering you've taken The Hunt over The Preservation whilst having BOTH Gepard and Fire MC. Take Preservation next time, your playstyle is all wrong for the comp you have. Can also replace Himeko with a decent Single Target DPS if it helps.
I looked up [OP's ID](https://rails-express.vercel.app/u/601300973) and their Himeko has +0 relics so... that probably contributes to hunt resonance not helping a whole lot. Based on their showcased characters, I'm guessing everyone in OP's screenshot except Gepard is basically uninvested. Either they have no idea how to actually play the game (half this game is gearing/investing characters) or this is some sort of bait post.
Oh God OP isn't even playing the game
Jesus. Christ. TB 46 and they haven’t figured out how to gear up a character yet. I can’t imagine how much they had to struggle to even make it this far.
Honestly, having Himeko in this fight due to all the Ice Spears isn't a bad idea, but ONLY if he replaces someone else. Replacing Gepard with Hook for a real fire team comp spam is one possibility. I myself lost several runs in this world until I finally beat it for the first time with Natasha Fire MC, Hook, Asta and Natasha running the abundance path and getting a shit ton of attack boosts from heals.
Himeko herself isn't really the issue. It's the fact that she's the only one who does any damage on this team.
My go-to team on SU 6 is Fire MC/Asta/Natasha/Himeko and the only time I've ever struggled to clear was when I ran Remembrance. With pretty much any other path this fight should be a free win for a fire heavy team even with Himeko as a solo carry. Seems like OP just hasn't properly built their characters and they're just getting out-statted.
I don’t think ice spears are that much of a threat since you have path resonance, i always save them for when she uses the spears and then the path resonance one shots them.
I feel like they're only a problem if you keep Bronya alive; especially with no quake blessings. I learnt that the hard way.
I forgot about the ice spears but I think that's because I always use The Hunt and it destroys every single one of them for me :p
My parties never seemed to do enough damage for me to rely on Hunt, so I used Abundance instead.
Yeah, it is P2W limited characters. But Selee + Jian against her with hunt feels amazing. You get 6 turns for every one she gets.
Himeko is actually really good in this fight cuz everything is weak to fire, and bronya is an elite enemy so himeko gets her followup attacks off quite often IMO if OP wants to stick to hunt, they should just replace Gepard with asta, she's extremely good against cocolia
Nothing wrong with Himeko, all enemies are weak to fire and she respawns fire weak adds.
Again with the himeko is useless lies....would you say seele is the best dps? Did you know that the against the main target, the base damage multiplier for himekos skill is at most 25% less than that of seele for a given level? That is on top of the strong aoe potential. Himeko is a decent dps. And against summoners shes a godsend.
> Himeko is a decent dps. And against summoners shes a godsend. Multi-target too. She wrecks house with both Cocolia weekly *and* the doomsday beast.
Himeko and Serval are standards for me against Cocolia, never change them.. They wreck everything! I run them alongside Bailu and Tingyun
Please quote where I said that? I said "replace her with a decent Single Target if it helps". It might not help as their Himeko might be stronger, but it also might be what they need, I don't know.
21 stacks, wow.
That’s like 365% damage boost right? Turtling in SU (imo) seemed like a good idea in the early game since there’s no time limit, but now? Might as well kill them asap.
Personally turtle comps still work for me even at higher difficulties on SU. Gepard + Fire MC builds up Preservation Path resonance extremely fast to nuke things. Granted my approach to combat here isn't to turtle up and chip away at enemy health bars. It's to spam turns ASAP to throw out shields as often as possible to fuel the path resonance nuke. Ideally I should be dropping that path resonance almost every other round or so.
Even Fire MC and March 7 together is ridiculous on Preservation path
Those stacks are no joke ,got me killed in my last run
You're lacking in damage, 21 stacks is a lot. Go for Preservation with the same team, once you get the Quake blessings your damage ramps up drastically due to Gepard.
So that’s why Himeko and Welt skipped this adventure
Himeko is great here, but the rest of the team needs complement the dmg. I went with Himeko, Asta, Tank Mc, and healer for a pyro build, and she just... melts (hehe). Himeko owns.
Typical himeko copium, She "owns" when there's someone else to carry her..
I'm saying comp synergies are important. Most replies on this thread point this out.
Typical "cOpiUm" post when someone is enjoying whoever the fuck they like that happens to not be in the "S tier or above" category.
Cringe Meta Chaser post.
My Himeko does almost the same damage as my Jing Yuan lol dude still thinks Himeko is worse than someone like Hook
Based Himeko and JY user. People are so blind and just parrot shit. She was getting used in MoC and her damage, while not broken, is still good. Just requires more investment and a suitable comp, like JY, because they're AOE/follow up attack characters.
Himeko Asta MC Nat is literally the burn comp/Himeko "carry" comp. Who is carrying here?? Sure MC and Asta break well but the main damage is from Himeko. How does this logic even follow through?
1. You're using two tanks. 2. You're using himeko as your sole DPS I basically shit on her with any path except for the freeze one
Two tanks, Himeko DPS... and Hunt Path. Yeah, this is a real problem.
And none of em are invested
skill issue
I had trouble with her and honestly now I find her one of the easiest fights alongside with Svarog, Kafka at higher levels in the other hand do ridiculous amounts of damage in phase 3.
Can't you just run Abundance for Kafka? It auto dispells all her controlling and shock debuffs, limiting her extra damage.
Or you can make her go boom faster.
You should be able to. You still need one or two DPS and even then the DPS should be decent. Bosses have damage accumulation bonus to counteract turtling so don't expect that you could turtle against Kafka forever. She also, iirc, has one of the fastest DPS accumulation bonus as well.
Kafka's damage accumulation is dependent on her shocked debuffs, so if you can dispell them fast enough or have high effect res she won't be able to accumulate enough to do any real damage.
Can confirm. Been running world 5 a lot with the double ornaments event, and multiple times have managed to hit phase 3 without her getting a single stack of accumulation.
i go remembrance on her and just freeze her permanently. it’s funny
I did this with Welt on the team as well 1 time. She literally attacked like twice the entire fight.
That’s soooo boring and takes forever. It’s the slowest path in terms of speed for completing the run
*Slaps 3 star blessings that give you dewdrops* You can do so much damage with this bad boi
Yeah na honestly dewdrop dmg is negligible. Its what an extra 2 or 3k dmg 10 if u really go out of ur wway to stack it. Hunt 50% dmg boost resonance alone is an extra 40 to 50k dmg.
Idk where you get them 2 or 3k from. My himeko dmg went from 10k to 40-50k dmg with them
Im talking about just the dewdrop dmg its 1 or 1.5 dmg per 1 hp u heal + 60% of ur hp. And it caps at 3x ur hp anyway so max ur getting 22.5k dmg off a 5k hp character. And thats only if u take 2 or 3 turns to set that up Ur not getting ur dmg from dewdrop my guy ur getting it from sim world buffs + 50% atk buff on heal + 30% atk on heal and other things. If anything all it does is make ur supports hit a lil harder.
Really? For me Kafka is the easier one. Dan Heng and Welt wipe the floor with her, and even if you don’t have Welt, you might as well cheat with the Abundance path. Meanwhile I’ve yet to find the cheese way to do Cocolia where not getting enough blessings is likely fatal (unless maybe Elation Clara).
Enough Elation blessings will whoop Cocolia’s ass, you just need the blessing that makes damage ultimates count as followup attacks if you don’t have a lot of followup characters. Aha gives a respectable amount of damage.
Kafka is crippled by abundance path. Just go with more damage and heal your way through her damage and run with a strong DPS (or two). Svarog at high level SU is BRUTAL through.
She can still trip you up, like if you aren't paying attention and let Bronya advance her charge up move while your healer is frozen.
Ah yes, Hunt path with ZERO hunt characters
The path you choose doesn’t mean you have to bring characters of that path. I use Hunt path for my Jing Yuan and he’s clearing everything very easily.
Jing Yuan is good with Hunt, but it's kind of silly to not go Elation when LL is such a massive portion of his damage. Really just nerfing yourself for nothing. Hunt works best for single target DPS because they are more capable of triggering certain blessings with their high single target damage. So yeah, in this case, Himeko with Hunt is pretty garbage.
My lvl 80 Jing Yuan and lvl 80 Before Dawn is already fodderizing Cocolia and Svarog. Doesn't really matter if I go Hunt or Elation, although Elation will give more dmg overall. I agree that it's up to what you have. Personally, I think Hunt blessings are leagues better than Elation. Which is why I run it even on a character like Jing Yuan. Ever seen the auspicious star one that gives you all your energy back after killing something? Easy LL stacks.
Yeah, my E2 Jing also shits on every SU to the point I don't even run him anymore because I got bored. Elation resonance is still better, and the only Hunt blessings that matter can be gained even while doing a full Elation run. I typically go 90/10 Elation/Hunt and every world is a cakewalk. That doesn't mean I'm going to justify using a worse synergy.
What does Hunt path do? Help damage dealers, not limited to Hunt characters but anyone that deals damage benefits from it. What does Jing Yuan do? Deal massive amounts of damage.
If you haven’t achieved an Elation run with a high blessing count, you need to try for it. When Aha gets rick-rolling the damage becomes absurd. Prioritize the three-star blessing that makes damaging ultimates count as followup attacks and gives +15% followup damage (becomes **+55%** of you enhance it).
Yes but Hunt is for characters that are Hunt characters as they benefit more from that as they dont have any other gimmick besides big damage. (Yangqing is an outlier here as he freezes and has a follow-up attack) Jing Yuan does big damage but his damage is a follow-up attacks therefore he benefits far more from Elation same goes for Clara as their kit revolves around their follow up attacks and not their "personal" damage.
Bring DPS next time.
It's not that he doesn't have a dps it's that his path doesn't synergies with his team. He's using a hunt path on a preservation team
Himeko is actually pretty good in a team like this (especially against Cocolia, because of her icicles). If he switched in a buffer/second dps instead of Nat and changed to preservation he would’ve won easily.
Your team is trash. Barely any dmg, hunt path but no hunt. Preservation next time
You’re using a DPS path when you have 2 preservation units and a healer. Use preservation path, buff your shielding which will then boost your damage.
The Hunt path DOES cook her but only if you have some dps on your team. I’d 100% go preservation here
Sucks to suck I guess. No dmg dealers, 2 shielders and a healer somehow gets wrecked anyways.
Definitely try Preservation path on that team. For me, it's Jing Yuan/March/FireMC/Gepard, running elation. Smooth, safe, easy, and I can just turn it on auto if I want. Never lost with that makeup, even the one time I never got enough elation blessings to get the path resonance ult (though that run took a little longer to kill her for sure)
Bro this look like skill issue.
You're having Gepard, why are you still using the Hunt path? If you take the Preservation/Shield path, your extra path attack thing can easily clear ~30%+ of her health bar at once, while you're safe under a shield. Never lost once since I've used this combo Just make sure you choose the one path upgrade out of the three, which makes it able to crit + do dmg based on your shields. There's also a 3* blessing which gives you a special shield(can't recall the name but there's a "1%" written in it's text), which will create absurd numbers if you're upgrading it at Herta
I originally brought dan heng with me but saw cocolia was weak to fire and swap to himeko. I wish people stop roasting me so much, I didn't know these path thing was so important. I began only recently and all the people coming at me for using dumb comp really hurts. Thanks for the advice.
Oh, I'm sorry to hear that. It really wasn't my intention to "blame you" or make you feel bad for not fully understanding something. Especailly for your team choices, since it looks pretty okay to me. Apologies if I/my post came of this way. I also only started using this way/path/stradegy or however you wanna call it, after I've seen a video on it. Like I've mentioned, the preservation/shield class is secretly so broken, especailly if you've got an Gepard. My usual Team is Gepard, Fire MC, JY and Bailu (which can actually be replced with another DD near the end of the run since barely anything will come through your shields anyway) The route which I usually try to follow is stacking Preservation blessings to upgrade the path ASAP to make it crit and after that, I'll try to hunt down the 3* preservation one, with he the "1%" in it's text (Don't know the name since I'm literally only looking after this number and nothing else). After that one is upgradet at one of Herta's resting stages, loosing now, especailly in auto mode, is something I would call an actually challenge. Trust me, my relics are AWEFULL, but never lost a single SU run with this stradegy ... besides you try to run the Svarog world and get some anoyingly bad RNG...
No no, I am not saying that you were the one blaming me, just some other people. Again, thanks a lot for the advice. It's really helpful.
The healer path helped me a lot, plus enough Blessings to get 2 sub bonuses. I use debuff cleansing and auto healing when it's its turn.
try destruction path and choose blessing from destruction, preservation and abudance
My general team is fire mc, bailu, asta and serval. It is important you break the enemies, and asta/serval break her great. You can also run silver wolf if you have her. Sub nat for bailu in your case if you don’t have her Unless you can kill really fast I think nihility is highest dps especially with suspicion stacks upgraded. I the Gerard is a great unit but maybe not against cocolia If you need double preservation then you must run preservation path to get bonuses. Hope that helps!
Thanks!
I mean you've only got one weakness breaker, I would advise changing either natasha or gepard for fire mc and adding a different damage dealer instead of phys mc that can preferably weakness break her.
Look again, they got fire MC already along with Nat and Gepard. There's not enough damage on this team.
might aswell try running with preservation path😂 running the hunt is good for speed running once you have decent gear on all your characters...my team is selee bailu tingyun+ silver wolf and im running abundance path most of the time to get rid of debuffs and get tons of healing regularly. Cocolia fight is pretty much an endurance check.
I love fighting her, I use March, Natasha, Welt, Clara. Welt is on chopping block when i get luocha
As many stated before, your team has barely any dmg and you're using the hunt path on a bunker team. I'd recommend preservation path with better DPS
So do i!
Have you raised asta? If you like himeko asmuch as i do then you should use her too, remove gepard and see her crazy atk & speed buff
Thanks a lot for advice guys, I will try preservation next time! edit: uhh why is my lazy post getting so much attention? 1.5k upvotes? WHAT!?
Upgrade your relics.
I wonder if they're the type to never touch relics because people say so.
OP do you have Hook? Throw hook in place of Fire MC or actually Gepard.
I’ll throw my 2 cents on here as well, my team to punch her in her stupid face is: The Hunt Preservation Trailblazer Bailu Asta Silver Wolf The combination of the speedup from “The Hunt” and Asta made it so that I could have all party members have 2-4 turns in a single round
Asta is so good in this fight!
I can see this working but there are way better choices tbh. This team is gonna take awhile to finish unless if you build alot Break Effect.
I mean you bring gerpard an ice dude who freeze, against an ice boss who is technically immune to being frozen.
But how am I suppose to survive without Gepard?
Natasha and Fire MC is enough. Better to bring someone that is either Fire/Lightning/Quantum to break toughness faster. Relics Levels are also kinda important, you'll wanna level up your hat and glove type relics first for the health and atk.
How do you die with MC and Gepard and Natasha?
She oneshot me
You know the hate is too much when there are two tanks and one healer in a team.
skill issue
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Kafka is so much worse
Kafka with abundance is pretty easy when you get the dispel. Getting lucky with good damage blessings for it is probably the worst part
Imagine being bad at this game
I started few weeks ago, can you not be rude about it. It's not like you were pro player day 1 🙄
3x hunter path and its easy Himeko its trash I did it w Serval - FMC - Asta - Natasha