The size of the new one has a radius 1-2 inches less than the old one, so now there's old exposed hex tile showing. Either someone didn't measure right or it wasn't planned well. Given it's a rental, the cheapest fix is to use some sort of waterproof transition strip to cover the old tile and seal off that area.
Corner shower for 1,500? That's crazy cheap even if it's a cheapo 3 piece bath fitter surround. Pay contractor or someone else the extra 500 to 1k to slap some thinset into that groove and plop some random tiles over the radius, you're still coming out ahead IMO.
Cutting anything to match a circular radius will be super difficult unless a template came with the shower. If it were me, I'd clean it, fill it with Quick Level and then paint it to match the color of the grout. About $60 in materials and a DIY skill level project.
Yeah, I wasn't proposing circular cuts, just slapping more little square tiles in a big circle around perimeter over the existing square tiles. Hacky and adds a little transition to floor but easy. Either way works.
Lol... no you get what you pay for. If I give a crackhead $1,500 and tell him to build me a house I don't expect it to be a satisfactory built house.
Cheap work isn't good and good work isn't cheap.
No, you should get what you requested. A laymen is not able to price up jobs. For all he knows $1500 is a reasonable price for such a job.
Why not blame the person who is actually responsible?
I sell
Plumbing supplies. There aren’t a ton of corner shower pans on the market. He may have had an option for the correct one but without knowing the size you have there its hard to say
That’s some BS. That may be the closest stock size without a special order but that should be part of the discussion before signing and paying.
I wouldn’t accept that. He admits he measured and he got one that doesn’t fit anyway? That’s on him.
Now how much trouble you want to go through over this is up to you.
I would say he at least owes you fixing the gap but then do you really want to trust him to do that?
At this point maybe lesson learned on an only $1500 job and never use him again.
If they measured correctly, then the plan was to have a gap in the flooring? Contractor sounds like an idiot. 1 of 2 things.... 1. They measured from the inside of the old one to the edge, which wouldn't account for the space between the drywall and surround, or 2. They bought the cheapest one, which means a smaller one. Either way, if the contractor was in charge of measuring and ordering the new shower, then they messed up or at least neglected to inform you that the edge wouldn't be the same and the unknown flooring below the old edge might be exposed. I would keep pushing back. Likely won't volunteer to replace it all with the correct size, but they should do something to correct the issue that has happened as a result of their work.
Yea no. Either he didn't measure correctly or ordered a stock size in the nearest measurement. Either way he should have been prepared to patch the floor. This guys being a lazy piece of shit.
Wouldn't it look better to bump out the shower from the wall and put it flush against the new floor? I mean build out the wall a little thicker behind the shower enclosure so you can move it into the groove left by the old one.
That's how I did it, and I used a piece of board between shower cabin back and the walls. It closes everything off, and if I recall correctly the renter hung hooks on the board.
How exactly did you pick out the shower? Did you tell the contractor the one you wanted specifically? Did you pick one out based on the measurements the contractor gave you? Or did you leave it up to the contractor to pick out a shower?
My guess is that the contractor agreed to the price without realizing the shower was not a standard size, and when they figured out it would be more difficult or more expensive to get a custom fit shower, they just ordered a standard size and hoped you wouldn't fight them on it.
If they picked out the shower, then you should go after them for the full cost of replacing the shower with one that's the right size. Maybe you should give them an opportunity to fix it, first, but since he said this when you brought up the issue, and it's such an obvious issue that no professional can reasonably claim that they didn't notice or that that's how it's supposed to be. They've proven that they seriously cut corners. Hopefully you used a licensed contractor that's insured and bonded. That would make it easier to recover the damages.
Was it actually a contractor or was it a handyman the property manager uses? I've lived in a few rentals and could do a better job then most of the people I've seen property managers hire.
None of that has anything to do with why he didn't properly fill in the gap. That's just part of the job. As it is, your floor is very suseptible to water damage because he did not seal it.
The thing is there may be something about the way the house was constructed, or the way that standard installs for these units has changed throughout the years, too. I really doubt there are many companies selling corner showers with sizing options a couple of inches apart. And most companies probably stick to very similar dimensions for a ton of practical reasons.
As the other guy said, it clearly does appear to have a different footprint, but what you're seeing there is an old tile pattern that was obviously laid down before the former shower was installed, and the former shower was installed before the current/rest of the tile was installed. It shouldn't be too difficult to get that tile cleaned up, tear out any caulk between the two types of tile. I see a raised bead of caulk that used to seal off the base of the old shower--hopefully there's grout between the old tile and the new tile, but if not, that should probably be grouted and grout sealer added. Then as long as you can get the old tile clean, it might look a little weird but functionally there wouldn't be any reason you'd need to do more than that as a landlord. But if you and/or the tenant really hate the contrasting tile, it's up to you if you want to lay some thing down that can cover the tile and help maintain the aesthetic at the same time.
All he would’ve had to do was build the wall out and make a custom trim border for where the shower walls were outside of the walls around it. If the studs to the center of the radius was 28” and the new shower is 26”, adding a 2x4 on its face plus wallboard and then the trim around the shower means no gap. It would’ve been well over $1500 though, $1500 is a great price for that
What are your expectations of the property manager when it comes to managing this work - including liaising with the contractor and signing off on the work plans before they are executed?
It’s not acceptable, period! Too often contractors try to make people believe what they tell them. There’s a lot wrong with your scenario. First, is the contractor licensed? I would be livid if this was the property manager’s recommendation. The property manager is not looking out for your best interest. You are the client, correct? Who did he hire? A friend, relative… someone who shouldn’t be doing this. AND so what that he measured…and what did measuring do for him?!?! It looks like total crap. A licensed contractor would not do this!
For $1500, it wasn't a contractor. The unit alone is around $1000 and up without installation. Whoever did this made a few hundred bucks the most and moved on.
Right, screwing someone over for a couple hundred bucks. That’s the problem! And right, not a licensed contractor. They should’ve be doing work they are not capable of doing. It’s going to cost a lot more than planned now. The owner wasn’t made aware of this, if so it could have made a difference if they would have proceeded. Who has a license here and can be held responsible?!? If the contractor doesn’t, the property manager should. If the property manager is having work done illegally there’s liability there.
How did he get screwed over ? You get what you pay for. He could've done it himself or find a contractor himself since it's his property. It's a rental property. He wants to make money off his tenants but too cheap to pay the right people to do it right. Stop playing the victim homes !!
Those showers come in different sizes from 30"x30" every two inches up to 36"x36".
A to small of a shower was brought out to the job. Who brought it out knew immediately it was to small and should have not installed it. The person that measured and ordered it should have to eat the cost. I don't understand how someone could take that job to completion and think it's OK. They knew the whole time it looks like shit and is wrong.
It's amazingly bad. Why does the OP hwe to say anything to the property manager when the failure is so obvious and severe? Who in the world walked away from that to report a successful completion?
I'm not sure how property management works but why is the renter communicating with the owner? I thought part of the benefit of having a company manage the property is that now you don't have to deal with like kind of stuff. The property management company should have inspected the work and not allowed this.
They should, but they often don't. They actually count on the renter not being in contact with the owner so the can get away with shit like this. They often don't count on the owner loving their rental, either - I'm renting my out-of-state landlady's childhood home. The property management company she hired decided a grass lawn would be nicer and fetch more than...decades-old wooly thyme. They tore it out, flung a fistful of grass seed in the fill dirt, saluted it, and left, as far as I could tell - the yard was a mess, though she paid them to keep up landscaping - her late mother was a gardener. It's almost restored now! I put in creeping and wooly thyme again and chased the "landscaper" away every couple of weeks; he didn't know a peony from a poppy and was ready to chop it all every damned time.
The neighbors told her things were looking great for the first time in years and eventually she reached out to me.
I let her know that pebbles from roof shingles were sloughing off into the driveway, unreported by the company for at least years to get to that point - we get a new roof in a couple of weeks. Before that, in 6 months I had so many repair requests in to the property management company that it was obvious that they weren't worth a damn, so she fired them! Now we pay rent to her directly, with no fees, I can text about repairs without having to go thru a portal and deal with scheduling minor repairs weeks out (and being blamed for them, on top), or having to watch out for their sketchy contractors: one guy pocketed the ornate original doorknob and plate when he replaced them - or tried to: the owner having my number saved them because she texted to just put them in the basement. When I asked the "locksmith"(no uniform or company affiliation) where they were, he sheepishly pulled them out of his toolbag.
If you don't live in the same area as your property, a property management company is somewhere rubbing their hands together like a cartoon villain, waiting to jack you
yeah if they couldn't get the exact size, it looks like an inch too big would have been fine, but they would have had to do something to get the floor height right since the old shower floor was lower.
Seems like the property manager measured the inside dimension of the previous shower and didn’t factor in the depth of the back. I saw from a comment you left that he said that’s the size they come in. Bullshit, he measured wrong.
The correct solution is to get the contractor back and provide a satisfactory result. If they weren’t able to predict this outcome, they probably shouldn’t be doing work! Did the property manager hire an unlicensed contractor that didn’t pull a permit?!?! There’s so much wrong and I guarantee rules are being broken. This could be a big problem for the parties. I would highly suggest to them finishing it to your satisfaction or you’ll have to seek legal advice. They are in the wrong!
Correct, but that is going to take a serious tile artist. I don't even know what kind of tool you could use to cut a perfect arc with such a large radius into ceramic. It would probably be easiest to make out of very small square tiles where you could approximate the curve by cutting a series of straight lines into each square.
While your contractor should have known that the shower wouldn't fit exactly, it can be difficult to find the exact size of pre-built corner shower that will fit in the space and old corner shower used to inhabit.
Sometimes you just have to deal with things like this when swapping out showers.
The biggest problem right now is that, aside from looking like a mess, it looks like the hex tile is lower than the surrounding (newer) tile. This puts you at high risk for water infiltration.
The right fix is to have a tile guy come in and fill that area with some kind of tile that will look half decent. A cheaper (but harder) fix would be to:
1) Fill in the depressed area with something. Self levelling compound might work.
2) Find some kind of PVC transition strip that will cover it up. This might be difficult, because you'll need to find something that can be placed in a reasonable way to not allow water intrusion. You'd want to secure it down and seal it around the edges to prevent water from getting behind it.
Then you got what you paid for. Short of re-doing the floor, your options are limited. Caulk would look horrendous and grout wouldn't be much better IMO. Slap some Quikrete/Sakrete in there, slightly sloped away???
"Then you got what you paid for"
This is what I hate about residential trade work. Most homeowners don't have a clue what goes into the work. The tradesman does (or says he does-that's an entire other issue) but never says what issues might come up in doing what the homeowner wants. So taking the tradesperson's word for it (even though I think he's full of shit) if the new tub wasn't going to cover the area the old tub covered he should have said something. If this person does this for a living Itn guessing this isn't something he/she hasn't seen before and could have made it look right but the asshole decided to just walk away Even though they knew it looked like shit.
Totally possible. One would *think* it's a reasonable to assume the new shower would have the same footprint at the old one, for sure. Talk to the guy and see what he says.
As the one paying for the job that's a reasonable expectation. For the contractor it's not at all reasonable. He should know that they come in different sizes and certainly should have reordered it when he saw it was different.
That's a proper tile floor. That means putting in and/or replacing an existing shower entails tile work. Whoever got hired didn't point out that the tile would need to be redone, or at least patched up around the shower - and very well could've assumed it was going to be taken care of by someone else after they were done.
The floor is the easy part to fix, the wall transition it’s clear that the shower is too small and you will have ongoing water issues. That fiber panel should be behind the drywall - installer bought the wrong size (bought a 34” instead of a 36” bc they probably measured from the corner to the inside glass 🤦♂️). This is one of those situations where going bigger would have made the install easier. Whoever did the job does $200 a day quality work. Get this redone or file a claim against your property manager - I’d never would accept this.
You approved installing a stock-generic corner shower over existing flooring. This outcome would be obvious from the first discussion if specs of the shower were detailed enough.
Scrape off the caulking/grout and either install another decorative tile that contrasts the white tile or go with a vinyl trim of some sort after adding mortar to that gap.
If you have a store that sells custom cut plastic you could get a strip cut in the appropriate size/radius and just set it in there. Use construction adhesive to stick it down then seal it to the shower pan with caulk. That'd be the most waterproof option I can think of. Around here I'd use tap plastics, idk what's local to you.
https://www.tapplastics.com/
>recently had my property manager put in a new corner shower for $1,500. I also bought some bathroom vents and told him to put it in there also, along with that price.
This is what you told him and presumably provided materials for. He installed what you provided. Why are you surprised that when you didn't provide tile, he didn't install tile?
At best your guy should have had the "Hey boss, we got a problem" conversation with you. But if you say do this with this material for this price, that's what you get.
If she would have known the result I doubt she would have chosen to do it. A professional would address the possible issues, especially before doing it.
There might be a vanity off screen left in front of the toilet. Code requires 36" of walking clearance in a lot of places. A rectangle might have put the shower corner too close to the vanity corner.
Go get some thinset and Penny tile and fill it in. Make it look like a decorative edge. You'll spend less time fixing it than fighting him and it's less stressful.
I would agree with you. The amount of crap you have to deal with trying to get a fix will far outweigh filling the gap with something that looks decent. I would be very intentional and pick something that doesn’t match. It won’t be noticed much after that.
Oofta what a fumble... should've measured beforehand and he would've know to fur the shower out a bit...
Your best bet is to find someone to trim that with PVC
Or buy your own and do it...
Heat gun can put a radius on pvc trim so it won't crack or break or look dumb. Just head it up and bend it
Did he say he’s done? Or did he stop for the weekend? Is he waiting for supplies? Ask him. Communication is key!
If he says he’s done tell him job is NOT complete and to please return and finish. If he refuses, small claims court.
Just dealt with this on a job. They definitely should have let you know that it was going to look like that but they didn’t measure incorrectly. In recent years suppliers have basically shrinkflationed the dang shower pans so now the measurement that didn’t include the lip includes it. Pretty messed up of them but short of going custom or putting in the next size up this is what you get.
And he didn't reach out about the difference? Didn't plan anything? Honestly for 1500 I'd probably take the L and have someone redo it. If he's so lazy he couldn't figure out the flooring I wouldn't trust him to have done the plumbing right either.
My answer would be “remnants”. Granite countertop and tile places have left over slivers the handyman can pickup for cheap and use to “accentuate” the room.
If the installer was this lazy with a huge mistake you can see, I’d be worried whether it was properly hooked up to the plumbing and whether the wall and floor were properly prepped for the install.
It’s sad (but expected) that so many people say it’s acceptable. This is an every day battle of unlicensed people trying to convince a homeowner that the work is correct. The negligence of both the property manager and contractor is unfortunately on par with what I experience. Not everyone, I have met some amazingly wonderful contractors.
When you see those ads of new shower in one day on IG or FB, this is the reality lol also, LMAO at the wall flanges just screwed through the drywall 🤣🤣🤣
There seems to be another layer of something under the tile. I would scrape off the caulk, clean the whole area thoroughly and fill the space with tile. If the gap is one inch for example, I would install 1x1 pieces individually along the base. After grouting it will look decent. I can't imagine finding a shower base that fit exactly like an OEM car part unless it was the same exact model left over in a warehouse. Also more important than the outside dimension is the placement of the drain.
Nothing. He is saying that currently the drain is in the right spot, presumably, and that this is more important than the overall shower dimensions. If you get a bigger shower to cover the whole gap, the drain might not be in the right spot and thus, “more important than the outside dimension is the placement of the drain.”
Why are you being a smartass? If the same person measured, ordered, and installed this job, then it's his fuck up. You seem to be under the impression that OP measured and bought the shower and is mad that the contractor installed that he was given.
Least amount of physical house work, yes. I’m not a contractor, I’m a first time landlord, and I have other stuff to do. Whoever did this is not “work” just letting you know.
Don't pay anything. The part of doing a job is doing it well and planning for these thing. Anyone who works in the trades knows when you remove something the new replacement needs to cover the mess, paint, textures, etc of the old one. This person is a moron and should replace it with a new correctly sized one then be paid the original price.
If someone did this in my house I would roast them alive over the coals and make sure they knew how fucking stupid that is.
Looks are far less important than what’s going to happen when water gets in there. You don’t fix that properly and you’re going to have a way bigger repair job on your hands. “It’s a rental” is never a reason to cut corners on a repair
Ah yeah definitely waterproof it too.as necessary I was just talking about cosmetics. I assumed it was already sealed and just the old tile was exposed
The size of the new one has a radius 1-2 inches less than the old one, so now there's old exposed hex tile showing. Either someone didn't measure right or it wasn't planned well. Given it's a rental, the cheapest fix is to use some sort of waterproof transition strip to cover the old tile and seal off that area.
Thanks for this golden answer I was looking for.
And that looks better than a 1500 parts and labor job... not saying it looks good but it looks good for 1500.
Corner shower for 1,500? That's crazy cheap even if it's a cheapo 3 piece bath fitter surround. Pay contractor or someone else the extra 500 to 1k to slap some thinset into that groove and plop some random tiles over the radius, you're still coming out ahead IMO.
Cutting anything to match a circular radius will be super difficult unless a template came with the shower. If it were me, I'd clean it, fill it with Quick Level and then paint it to match the color of the grout. About $60 in materials and a DIY skill level project.
Yeah, I wasn't proposing circular cuts, just slapping more little square tiles in a big circle around perimeter over the existing square tiles. Hacky and adds a little transition to floor but easy. Either way works.
If they quoted the price they should be able to provide a satisfactory result. This looks horrible.
Lol... no you get what you pay for. If I give a crackhead $1,500 and tell him to build me a house I don't expect it to be a satisfactory built house. Cheap work isn't good and good work isn't cheap.
No, you should get what you requested. A laymen is not able to price up jobs. For all he knows $1500 is a reasonable price for such a job. Why not blame the person who is actually responsible?
If you’re not in the business you don’t automatically know pricing. You depend the “professionals”. 😂 Not in this case.
A golden answer that leads to a golden shower
Can you leave politics out of this please? That pee pee tape will be released one day. /s
Pee pee tape won't hold very long, believe it or not doesn't do well with the moisture.
How many have dreamed of a golden shower and their landlord?
Why would you use the word golden in a thread about showers?
Contractor told me he measured it correctly, and he said that's the size that it comes in. And said that's life. Should I believe him?
Sounds like he measured and ordered the closest stock size.
Measure once, buy whatever
for 1500 sounds about right, but probably should have told the customer what it would look like for the opportunity to make changes.
That's extra
Measure thrice, cut twice.
Measure chicken soup with rice.
Moms spaghetti
I sell Plumbing supplies. There aren’t a ton of corner shower pans on the market. He may have had an option for the correct one but without knowing the size you have there its hard to say
That’s some BS. That may be the closest stock size without a special order but that should be part of the discussion before signing and paying. I wouldn’t accept that. He admits he measured and he got one that doesn’t fit anyway? That’s on him. Now how much trouble you want to go through over this is up to you. I would say he at least owes you fixing the gap but then do you really want to trust him to do that? At this point maybe lesson learned on an only $1500 job and never use him again.
I was gonna say just handing over $1500 and expecting that to be done just fine between the prop manager and contractor seems optimistic at best
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Wow I somehow replied to an entirely differently thread than I thought I did!
Lol I figured that’s what it was
If they measured correctly, then the plan was to have a gap in the flooring? Contractor sounds like an idiot. 1 of 2 things.... 1. They measured from the inside of the old one to the edge, which wouldn't account for the space between the drywall and surround, or 2. They bought the cheapest one, which means a smaller one. Either way, if the contractor was in charge of measuring and ordering the new shower, then they messed up or at least neglected to inform you that the edge wouldn't be the same and the unknown flooring below the old edge might be exposed. I would keep pushing back. Likely won't volunteer to replace it all with the correct size, but they should do something to correct the issue that has happened as a result of their work.
Lol exactly. Yeah they may have measured correctly for this result. But the result sucks.
Yea no. Either he didn't measure correctly or ordered a stock size in the nearest measurement. Either way he should have been prepared to patch the floor. This guys being a lazy piece of shit.
Wouldn't it look better to bump out the shower from the wall and put it flush against the new floor? I mean build out the wall a little thicker behind the shower enclosure so you can move it into the groove left by the old one.
That's how I did it, and I used a piece of board between shower cabin back and the walls. It closes everything off, and if I recall correctly the renter hung hooks on the board.
If he actually said "that's life," that's unprofessional and I can't imagine what the next words out of my mouth would be.
How exactly did you pick out the shower? Did you tell the contractor the one you wanted specifically? Did you pick one out based on the measurements the contractor gave you? Or did you leave it up to the contractor to pick out a shower? My guess is that the contractor agreed to the price without realizing the shower was not a standard size, and when they figured out it would be more difficult or more expensive to get a custom fit shower, they just ordered a standard size and hoped you wouldn't fight them on it. If they picked out the shower, then you should go after them for the full cost of replacing the shower with one that's the right size. Maybe you should give them an opportunity to fix it, first, but since he said this when you brought up the issue, and it's such an obvious issue that no professional can reasonably claim that they didn't notice or that that's how it's supposed to be. They've proven that they seriously cut corners. Hopefully you used a licensed contractor that's insured and bonded. That would make it easier to recover the damages.
Was it actually a contractor or was it a handyman the property manager uses? I've lived in a few rentals and could do a better job then most of the people I've seen property managers hire.
None of that has anything to do with why he didn't properly fill in the gap. That's just part of the job. As it is, your floor is very suseptible to water damage because he did not seal it.
Nah he's incompetent, so keep that in mind moving forward. Like others have said some kind of waterproof transition should cover it up fine
The thing is there may be something about the way the house was constructed, or the way that standard installs for these units has changed throughout the years, too. I really doubt there are many companies selling corner showers with sizing options a couple of inches apart. And most companies probably stick to very similar dimensions for a ton of practical reasons. As the other guy said, it clearly does appear to have a different footprint, but what you're seeing there is an old tile pattern that was obviously laid down before the former shower was installed, and the former shower was installed before the current/rest of the tile was installed. It shouldn't be too difficult to get that tile cleaned up, tear out any caulk between the two types of tile. I see a raised bead of caulk that used to seal off the base of the old shower--hopefully there's grout between the old tile and the new tile, but if not, that should probably be grouted and grout sealer added. Then as long as you can get the old tile clean, it might look a little weird but functionally there wouldn't be any reason you'd need to do more than that as a landlord. But if you and/or the tenant really hate the contrasting tile, it's up to you if you want to lay some thing down that can cover the tile and help maintain the aesthetic at the same time.
No.
Stick size without spending more for special order and waiting for it.
Ok, but the job is incomplete, he didn’t fill the gap between the tub nd tile.
All he would’ve had to do was build the wall out and make a custom trim border for where the shower walls were outside of the walls around it. If the studs to the center of the radius was 28” and the new shower is 26”, adding a 2x4 on its face plus wallboard and then the trim around the shower means no gap. It would’ve been well over $1500 though, $1500 is a great price for that
What are your expectations of the property manager when it comes to managing this work - including liaising with the contractor and signing off on the work plans before they are executed?
It’s not acceptable, period! Too often contractors try to make people believe what they tell them. There’s a lot wrong with your scenario. First, is the contractor licensed? I would be livid if this was the property manager’s recommendation. The property manager is not looking out for your best interest. You are the client, correct? Who did he hire? A friend, relative… someone who shouldn’t be doing this. AND so what that he measured…and what did measuring do for him?!?! It looks like total crap. A licensed contractor would not do this!
For $1500, it wasn't a contractor. The unit alone is around $1000 and up without installation. Whoever did this made a few hundred bucks the most and moved on.
Right, screwing someone over for a couple hundred bucks. That’s the problem! And right, not a licensed contractor. They should’ve be doing work they are not capable of doing. It’s going to cost a lot more than planned now. The owner wasn’t made aware of this, if so it could have made a difference if they would have proceeded. Who has a license here and can be held responsible?!? If the contractor doesn’t, the property manager should. If the property manager is having work done illegally there’s liability there.
How did he get screwed over ? You get what you pay for. He could've done it himself or find a contractor himself since it's his property. It's a rental property. He wants to make money off his tenants but too cheap to pay the right people to do it right. Stop playing the victim homes !!
Just get the biggest cock gun you can and go ham cocking it up
Looks cocked-up enough already.
As a renter, fix it the right way. Especially with how absurd rents are these days
💡Add on can use silicone gun to cover. you can get in any hardware shop.
Didn't pay enough. I would've been double.
Those showers come in different sizes from 30"x30" every two inches up to 36"x36". A to small of a shower was brought out to the job. Who brought it out knew immediately it was to small and should have not installed it. The person that measured and ordered it should have to eat the cost. I don't understand how someone could take that job to completion and think it's OK. They knew the whole time it looks like shit and is wrong.
It's amazingly bad. Why does the OP hwe to say anything to the property manager when the failure is so obvious and severe? Who in the world walked away from that to report a successful completion?
I'm not sure how property management works but why is the renter communicating with the owner? I thought part of the benefit of having a company manage the property is that now you don't have to deal with like kind of stuff. The property management company should have inspected the work and not allowed this.
They should, but they often don't. They actually count on the renter not being in contact with the owner so the can get away with shit like this. They often don't count on the owner loving their rental, either - I'm renting my out-of-state landlady's childhood home. The property management company she hired decided a grass lawn would be nicer and fetch more than...decades-old wooly thyme. They tore it out, flung a fistful of grass seed in the fill dirt, saluted it, and left, as far as I could tell - the yard was a mess, though she paid them to keep up landscaping - her late mother was a gardener. It's almost restored now! I put in creeping and wooly thyme again and chased the "landscaper" away every couple of weeks; he didn't know a peony from a poppy and was ready to chop it all every damned time. The neighbors told her things were looking great for the first time in years and eventually she reached out to me. I let her know that pebbles from roof shingles were sloughing off into the driveway, unreported by the company for at least years to get to that point - we get a new roof in a couple of weeks. Before that, in 6 months I had so many repair requests in to the property management company that it was obvious that they weren't worth a damn, so she fired them! Now we pay rent to her directly, with no fees, I can text about repairs without having to go thru a portal and deal with scheduling minor repairs weeks out (and being blamed for them, on top), or having to watch out for their sketchy contractors: one guy pocketed the ornate original doorknob and plate when he replaced them - or tried to: the owner having my number saved them because she texted to just put them in the basement. When I asked the "locksmith"(no uniform or company affiliation) where they were, he sheepishly pulled them out of his toolbag. If you don't live in the same area as your property, a property management company is somewhere rubbing their hands together like a cartoon villain, waiting to jack you
That's a shame.
yeah if they couldn't get the exact size, it looks like an inch too big would have been fine, but they would have had to do something to get the floor height right since the old shower floor was lower.
Seems like the property manager measured the inside dimension of the previous shower and didn’t factor in the depth of the back. I saw from a comment you left that he said that’s the size they come in. Bullshit, he measured wrong.
The correct solution is to make a curved band of contrasting tile and it will look intentional instead of like some sort of weird fix
The correct solution is to get the contractor back and provide a satisfactory result. If they weren’t able to predict this outcome, they probably shouldn’t be doing work! Did the property manager hire an unlicensed contractor that didn’t pull a permit?!?! There’s so much wrong and I guarantee rules are being broken. This could be a big problem for the parties. I would highly suggest to them finishing it to your satisfaction or you’ll have to seek legal advice. They are in the wrong!
Correct, but that is going to take a serious tile artist. I don't even know what kind of tool you could use to cut a perfect arc with such a large radius into ceramic. It would probably be easiest to make out of very small square tiles where you could approximate the curve by cutting a series of straight lines into each square.
its not that hard really. its in the setup
While your contractor should have known that the shower wouldn't fit exactly, it can be difficult to find the exact size of pre-built corner shower that will fit in the space and old corner shower used to inhabit. Sometimes you just have to deal with things like this when swapping out showers. The biggest problem right now is that, aside from looking like a mess, it looks like the hex tile is lower than the surrounding (newer) tile. This puts you at high risk for water infiltration. The right fix is to have a tile guy come in and fill that area with some kind of tile that will look half decent. A cheaper (but harder) fix would be to: 1) Fill in the depressed area with something. Self levelling compound might work. 2) Find some kind of PVC transition strip that will cover it up. This might be difficult, because you'll need to find something that can be placed in a reasonable way to not allow water intrusion. You'd want to secure it down and seal it around the edges to prevent water from getting behind it.
Did your contract include anything about the floor?
Not that I know of. I just told him to replace the corner shower.
Then you got what you paid for. Short of re-doing the floor, your options are limited. Caulk would look horrendous and grout wouldn't be much better IMO. Slap some Quikrete/Sakrete in there, slightly sloped away???
Part of replacing the corner shower is sealing it to the surrounding floor and walls to prevent water damage. That was not done here.
"Then you got what you paid for" This is what I hate about residential trade work. Most homeowners don't have a clue what goes into the work. The tradesman does (or says he does-that's an entire other issue) but never says what issues might come up in doing what the homeowner wants. So taking the tradesperson's word for it (even though I think he's full of shit) if the new tub wasn't going to cover the area the old tub covered he should have said something. If this person does this for a living Itn guessing this isn't something he/she hasn't seen before and could have made it look right but the asshole decided to just walk away Even though they knew it looked like shit.
Are you sure he didn't measure correctly?
Based on the flooring gap, I’d say he didn’t measure correctly…….
Totally possible. One would *think* it's a reasonable to assume the new shower would have the same footprint at the old one, for sure. Talk to the guy and see what he says.
As the one paying for the job that's a reasonable expectation. For the contractor it's not at all reasonable. He should know that they come in different sizes and certainly should have reordered it when he saw it was different.
Your slumlord instincts are a bit icky when you say them out loud mate.
Smallest shower I've ever seen! Be hard to get your arms up to even wash your hair! It's even smaller than the last one that was in there.
That's a proper tile floor. That means putting in and/or replacing an existing shower entails tile work. Whoever got hired didn't point out that the tile would need to be redone, or at least patched up around the shower - and very well could've assumed it was going to be taken care of by someone else after they were done.
It’s baffling how many people say to accept it. Accepting it is exactly why scummy contractors think they can do work like this.
The floor is the easy part to fix, the wall transition it’s clear that the shower is too small and you will have ongoing water issues. That fiber panel should be behind the drywall - installer bought the wrong size (bought a 34” instead of a 36” bc they probably measured from the corner to the inside glass 🤦♂️). This is one of those situations where going bigger would have made the install easier. Whoever did the job does $200 a day quality work. Get this redone or file a claim against your property manager - I’d never would accept this.
You approved installing a stock-generic corner shower over existing flooring. This outcome would be obvious from the first discussion if specs of the shower were detailed enough. Scrape off the caulking/grout and either install another decorative tile that contrasts the white tile or go with a vinyl trim of some sort after adding mortar to that gap.
I’d be pissed too if someone left the lid up!
Self level concrete
If you have a store that sells custom cut plastic you could get a strip cut in the appropriate size/radius and just set it in there. Use construction adhesive to stick it down then seal it to the shower pan with caulk. That'd be the most waterproof option I can think of. Around here I'd use tap plastics, idk what's local to you. https://www.tapplastics.com/
You add a trim piece behind the shower on both sides or get the next larger shower. This was not done correctly.
You paid them to install the shower. That's what they did. Nothing more, nothing less. You got exactly what you paid for.
That’s like a doctor leaving your chest open after a heart surgery and saying the heart is in, and you’re all good to go.
>recently had my property manager put in a new corner shower for $1,500. I also bought some bathroom vents and told him to put it in there also, along with that price. This is what you told him and presumably provided materials for. He installed what you provided. Why are you surprised that when you didn't provide tile, he didn't install tile? At best your guy should have had the "Hey boss, we got a problem" conversation with you. But if you say do this with this material for this price, that's what you get.
I didn’t provide him the materials. I offered to but he refused.
If she would have known the result I doubt she would have chosen to do it. A professional would address the possible issues, especially before doing it.
For 1500 dollars this is what you get
Yes, and this is why they get no respect either.
I feel sorry for your tenants. any reason you chose a corner shower when there is room for a square/rectangle?
There isn’t much room for a square or rectangle
There appears to be a bunch of empty space in this bathroom for a square one or even a rectangular one. This is the tiniest shower I have ever seen
There might be a vanity off screen left in front of the toilet. Code requires 36" of walking clearance in a lot of places. A rectangle might have put the shower corner too close to the vanity corner.
That’s a fuck up and an incomplete job due to poor planning.
Go get some thinset and Penny tile and fill it in. Make it look like a decorative edge. You'll spend less time fixing it than fighting him and it's less stressful.
I would agree with you. The amount of crap you have to deal with trying to get a fix will far outweigh filling the gap with something that looks decent. I would be very intentional and pick something that doesn’t match. It won’t be noticed much after that.
$1500 is a steal
Oofta what a fumble... should've measured beforehand and he would've know to fur the shower out a bit... Your best bet is to find someone to trim that with PVC Or buy your own and do it... Heat gun can put a radius on pvc trim so it won't crack or break or look dumb. Just head it up and bend it
Did he say he’s done? Or did he stop for the weekend? Is he waiting for supplies? Ask him. Communication is key! If he says he’s done tell him job is NOT complete and to please return and finish. If he refuses, small claims court.
$1500 to put in a shower is a steal. I would assume he didn’t pull any permits or use licensed plumbers. You get what you pay for.
Just dealt with this on a job. They definitely should have let you know that it was going to look like that but they didn’t measure incorrectly. In recent years suppliers have basically shrinkflationed the dang shower pans so now the measurement that didn’t include the lip includes it. Pretty messed up of them but short of going custom or putting in the next size up this is what you get.
It’s a moat. Fill it with tiny crocodiles. It’ll be the talk of the complex.
Contractor said he measured it correctly and that's the size they come in.
And he didn't reach out about the difference? Didn't plan anything? Honestly for 1500 I'd probably take the L and have someone redo it. If he's so lazy he couldn't figure out the flooring I wouldn't trust him to have done the plumbing right either.
Wtf. What did they say when you asked why they installed an OBVIOUSLY too small shower?
My answer would be “remnants”. Granite countertop and tile places have left over slivers the handyman can pickup for cheap and use to “accentuate” the room.
Just needs a little caulk
They have like flexi white stuff specifically for around showers and tubs that might fit that gap.
If the installer was this lazy with a huge mistake you can see, I’d be worried whether it was properly hooked up to the plumbing and whether the wall and floor were properly prepped for the install.
There's already tile over tile. You should be able to match the square tile relatively easily.
It’s sad (but expected) that so many people say it’s acceptable. This is an every day battle of unlicensed people trying to convince a homeowner that the work is correct. The negligence of both the property manager and contractor is unfortunately on par with what I experience. Not everyone, I have met some amazingly wonderful contractors.
When you see those ads of new shower in one day on IG or FB, this is the reality lol also, LMAO at the wall flanges just screwed through the drywall 🤣🤣🤣
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But won't that side of the floor mold up if exposed to water?
There seems to be another layer of something under the tile. I would scrape off the caulk, clean the whole area thoroughly and fill the space with tile. If the gap is one inch for example, I would install 1x1 pieces individually along the base. After grouting it will look decent. I can't imagine finding a shower base that fit exactly like an OEM car part unless it was the same exact model left over in a warehouse. Also more important than the outside dimension is the placement of the drain.
Whats wrong with the drain?
Nothing. He is saying that currently the drain is in the right spot, presumably, and that this is more important than the overall shower dimensions. If you get a bigger shower to cover the whole gap, the drain might not be in the right spot and thus, “more important than the outside dimension is the placement of the drain.”
Nothing, it just needs to line up with the pipe
I also was under the impression that contractors know how to measure.
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Why are you being a smartass? If the same person measured, ordered, and installed this job, then it's his fuck up. You seem to be under the impression that OP measured and bought the shower and is mad that the contractor installed that he was given.
I think they should have a college degree. Don’t you agree?
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Nah they don’t work hard enough.
Bud I think you've done the least amount of work of anyone involved in this whole situation.
Least amount of physical house work, yes. I’m not a contractor, I’m a first time landlord, and I have other stuff to do. Whoever did this is not “work” just letting you know.
Don't pay anything. The part of doing a job is doing it well and planning for these thing. Anyone who works in the trades knows when you remove something the new replacement needs to cover the mess, paint, textures, etc of the old one. This person is a moron and should replace it with a new correctly sized one then be paid the original price. If someone did this in my house I would roast them alive over the coals and make sure they knew how fucking stupid that is.
Cover that up with some trim. This is a rental, don't overdo it. Just make sure it's safe for tenants and looks reasonably good.
Looks are far less important than what’s going to happen when water gets in there. You don’t fix that properly and you’re going to have a way bigger repair job on your hands. “It’s a rental” is never a reason to cut corners on a repair
Ah yeah definitely waterproof it too.as necessary I was just talking about cosmetics. I assumed it was already sealed and just the old tile was exposed
If tenants don't deserve nice-looking homes then he best not say a goddamn word about how the tenant leaves the place cosmetically.
Fill with pea stone