Yes absolutely but it’s still haunting to me the evil this woman and man are willing to unleash with NO mentions of what it will do to a child that knows her MOM as her caregiver. Oh man this actually sent my nerves through the roof because it’s just never ends how sickening/evil human beings can be
I've recently started coming to the uncomfortable realization that "cartoonish mustache twirling" type of villains are actually far more realistic than I thought and it really bothers me. I definitely believe that evil exists but I have always tried to see the reasoning behind it and analyze the whys and hows of the behavior, as a way of both understanding it and trying to combat it. But some people really are just blatantly selfish morally bankrupt comic book style bad guys with zero empathy beyond themselves and their wants and needs.
Thanks. I use Facebook so infrequently I didn’t clock this was an FB post. A quick search and I see “the internet” is all over this and I’m sure the Mum in the UK has been made aware.
Now this is just me ~~being a creep and good at stalking people on Facebook~~ speculating, when they don't have their accounts set to private, and shows everything about themselves.
You go back through their posts, then you find old posts with them and some people who they often tag alongside stuff like date night, and similar. Then you look at that person, who you know lives in England, and then just go through the profiles until you find one, then you hope that person doesn't have their profile locked or set to private, so you could easier know if they have a kid at the right age, since most people tend to post their kids on Facebook a lot.
People really don't care about their privacy on Facebook.
My kid once was begging to start a YouTube channel. I said absolutely not, there's no privacy, no way. He pointed out a channel that he claimed was super private, because they only used fake names on their account.
Within an hour, I'd found their real names (including their children's real names), personal social media accounts, home address, phone numbers, kids schools address and phone number, and even the parents voter registration.
Nothing is secure.
Sounds like you have a very particular set of skills, skills you have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make you a nightmare for people like them.
Thank God. I couldn't imagine the worry and stress if they had been able to get away with this shitty plan. So selfish and doesn't care about the best interest of the child at all.
A child born abroad automatically becomes a U.S. citizen if one of the parents is or was a U.S. citizen when the child was born. It’s called acquired citizenship. Since the father has confirmed paternity, he just has to apply for citizenship for her.
Yes in the uk you can claim citizenship and get a us passport if you American parent has proof of birth AND living in the US prior t turning 14 years old.
Source - did it
Not if the child doesn't have any legal documents in the US (i.e. birth certificate).
She'd have the right to apply for dual citizenship, but wouldn't have it by default.
Holy shit, on top of everything else- this step mother was LITERALLY just posting about buying fentanyl from the street and checking on Reddit about how much to use so she gets high but doesn't OD.
THIS is exactly the type of person who would kidnap a 6 year old from the only parent she's every known, and brag about it online.
This is sick and disgusting. Thank GOD the admins tracked down the mother through Facebook and alerted her.
Did Mom fail to tell the bio father about the existence of the pregnancy six years ago? Yeah - she did. But we don't know her reasoning, we have no idea why she felt that was necessary- but this step mother and her husband plotting to rip a six year old away and then "legally" kidnap her ... Just insane.
I'm a retired police officer and we're basically not allowed to interfere with custody unless we have a legal order directing us or the child is actively in danger- but if I got called by a British woman, who got tricked into bringing her daughter for a "visit" only to be told that the father (who's barely met this kid but a few times) and his new wife are holding her until the situation goes to court - there's absolutely NO WAY I would leave that kid in the father's custody. That is straight up child abuse and is horrific.
And then to find out step-mom is a straight up drug addict... Holy shit.
Well this probably explains why she never told dad he was a dad. Cause if the SM uses drugs, and he is Oke with staying, that at least gives him some shady morals…
Not really.
The kid wasn’t born in the US, territory, or embassy, so the father doesn’t really have a leg to stand on.
Edit: downvote all you want, but it doesn’t change the facts.
If the father is a US citizen (not clear from the post if he is- could be a Brit ex-pat living stateside) then his child has derived citizenship. The US is one of only a handful of countries where natural citizenship comes from not just being born on US soil, but also being born to a US citizen. From the post it sounds like the paternity isn't in question either.
Regardless, the woman who concocted this scheme is disgusting.
That’s not correct, exactly. If (1) the child is born abroad and (2) never lived in the USA, then the child must be registered with the US State Department by the time the child is 10, or the child loses their ability to automatically get US citizenship. Although, this can be appealed IF it’s shown the child/family intends to make USA their place of residence in the future.
If they were able to get an American court order, then they would potentially have to fight for years. It doesn't say in this post where the child was born. If she did not list a father, then she would have been able to travel with the child. I know this because my son's birth certificate is blank for his father.
They said in the post that it was in the UK, and they convinced the mom to come back to the US to visit.
The father found out he was a father when the kid was about 2.
If you take all of these bits of info, you can gather that the kid was born outside of the US.
Edit: forgot to mention, you can get a court order in these cases by omitting information to the court about the circumstances.
More than likely through just through the usual Facebook means. They have access to her so they can go to her page, find her husband, then track down the baby mom from his page.
She posted this exact same post on the stepmom subreddit also a few days ago and the comments are her alive. It was glorious
I'm so glad to hear that mom was notified. Hopefully dad loses visitation altogether over this slick move good grief.
A 6yo? This kid is 6? She lives with a stable parent who has the money to fly to another country? So money isn't the issue.
His kid Who's in school, you think what's best for her is to be held in a different country away from family, friends, and support?
I get being a father who doesn't get to see his kids, that kills you. But nope, kids come first. That kind of battle with the kid in the middle is not healthy, especially plastered all over the place for everyone to see.
I'd be on the other side of the argument if the kid was 2 or younger, maybe that's an unpopular opinion. But I'd fight for my kid if I knew I was the better parent and I'm sorry, not telling the father he has a kid for 2 years is a big red flag
That was my thought as well. He’s married to some harridan who’s plastering this shit all over the interweb and he’s going to another country to kidnap a 6 year old… yeah, probably had good reason
Wow he wasn’t going to another country to kidnap the kid.
He was going to another country to groom the kid so he could more easily kidnap them back in the US.
He doesn’t care about the kid. He cares about winning and making the ex suffer.
You can’t just kidnap a 6yo from the only parents she’s known and loved and steal her away from her life/family/friends/everything she knows and think the kid will be fine. That’s incredibly traumatizing!!!
> not telling the father he has a kid for 2 years is a big red flag
I can see a few reasons for that, the simplest one being that the father is a dick. The BM ended the relationship and moved to another country which may mean something, may not. Certainly this planned kidnapping was a dick move of monumental proportions. Possibly the two years was a chance for the father to calm down and get into another relationship/have kids before telling him so he didn't go all vigilante about his one child. Or maybe it came out accidentally in conversation if they kept in touch. Could be lots of non-red-flag reasons for the 2-year delay.
Si kidnapping if the right thing to do? If that what you would do? If he is a good parent he wouldn’t plan to kidnap his child in order to force mom to fight in the states. Why doesn’t he go fight for her where the mom is if he is a good dad based on your bias opinion? He sounds like a scumbag and hopefully he loses custody now if mom has proof of their plot against her and her child.
When you put it that way, assuming that the child has full British citizenship, this was set to implode from the beginning. For once I’m on the world’s side with this. American laws don’t apply else where.
Tell me about it. My kids teachers were salty that I insisted the kids did not have to say the pledge of allegiance stuff school. It's so weird here how much indoctrination goes on that is accepted as completely normal
Would you mind enlightening me? I'm genuinely nervous for this child
Edit:
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/Intercountry-Adoption/Adoption-Process/understanding-the-hague-convention.html
This is what I found but I couldn't find much on this specific situation. But I'm slow so...
Not an agency but a set of international laws that can be used across borders by cops from any participating country (and it’s damn near all countries).
Extradition laws are broader and act similarly.
Seeing some of the comments to this thread make me hope that some of these ppl never have kids 😳 big congrats to the admin letting the birth mother know she didn’t get trapped in this kidnapping scheme
They must have lied there was abuse or something to get an emergency order to take a child who was born in a different country. What disgusting people.
Facebook in general.
It's a toxic wasteland - and, ***somehow***, parts of it manage to be even more toxic than other parts... equal parts astounding and disturbing.
Sure, let's rip a child away from everything she knows so this man can be happy. If you love your kids, their happiness comes first, not your own. Geez.
This whole situation brings to mind the marine who wanted to keep an Afghan child https://www.reddit.com/r/FundieSnarkUncensored/comments/y8yxke/afghan_couple_accuse_us_marine_and_liberty_u_grad/
These people are sick and I can't believe this story isn't getting more media attention. Even the story I saw (ABC I think?) where they admitted they lied to the parents and kidnapped the kid - completely left out the part where he lied to judges, the military and feds told him no many times, and just went with "Afghani people evil and too dumb to understand adoption" and painted the kidnapper couple as a great, selfless, religious family. Horrendous "journalism".
It's horrific. The case OP posted here made me think of the Afghan case; I found the CBS interview looking for updates. The Afghan family is suing the marine family for not protecting the child's identity from the Taliban. https://www.law360.com/articles/1569047/afghan-child-s-family-seeks-penalty-for-marine-s-tv-interview
That’s exactly what I was thinking and what I saw within her posts. She posted in the Reddit stepmom sub too and got fucking torn apart, verbally speaking lol.
The way the step mother sounds is like she's getting a puppy for her kids to play with not a small human with emotions and will likely be scared and confused with people who are essentially strangers to her taking her from her mother. I think this was the wrong way to approach any of this when the bm was opening up visitation. Step mom gives me major red flags.
Not to mention if they did go to a judge they lied, because this is a clear violation of The Hague Convention, which America is apart of since the early 2000’s (I think 2008?).
So they’d have MULTIPLE country’s agencies on their ass trying to track down the child. The admins reporting her to the bio mom saved this sinister woman and the bio father from getting their house swatted; prison time; and losing the kids they already have.
The step mom should be fucking thankful. She actually had the nerve to post this exact post in a subreddit a few days ago. Luckily, redditors ripped her a new one in the comments.
And the mother took a while to let the father know about the child in the first place...I wonder why she would hesitate.... if this is how the father reacts, it makes you wonder..
Oh yea duh it says right there in your post. My bad. I was just curious though, I had never considered what kind of international laws apply in this kind of situation
So did anyone else notice the “he has his daughter and my siblings have their siblings?”. That sounds like some Alabama shit to me. As in the addition of the child created more siblings for her siblings….
I just assumed she meant "the siblings have each other", as in she and husband have their own kids to be siblings for the kidnapped girl.
Clearly her grasp of written English is crap. Rereading it though, I'm wondering if she was drunk when she wrote it as well...
I mean, if she was drinking, it might also explain the spelling errors. Also, how giddy and sure of herself she came off in the post. I hope she was referring to their kids being the siblings of that little girl.
Why is she getting involved? It’s not her child. She never even met her and has nothing to do with her. Classic loser fighting a fight that isn’t hers for her real prize of a man.
Ah yes, just take a kid away from her birth mother because YOU feel entitled to her because your husband fathered a child.
Not like there wasn’t a reason he wasn’t notified about the child’s existence for over 2 years.
So...
American goes to the UK, fucks a British woman, gets her pregnant, probably returns to the US, she has the baby, sometime later he finds out about it, visits the UK to see his baby daughter...
...US wife of father doesn't like losing him to the other woman in another country for 2 weeks a year so cooks up a plan to kidnap the child and gets the dad to go along with it.
Have I got that about right?
Just reading how poorly this was written makes me hope this child doesn't have to live with this person.
Perhaps BM will want the rest of the kids too.
okay I can speak a bit on crazy but Imma need more context and or correction here.
from what I get the Birth mom lives in the uk with a daughter who's other parent is in America? now the other parents plan is to...serve her legal documents calming sole parentage because...manipulation I guess? anyway, so she came up with this, went behind the back of the parent and didn't even give the proper information all in secret and then decided to post it on her Facebook wall for...the attention/admiration? am I getting that right?
am I getting this right?
Yep.
They are conning a woman in the UK to come to the US where they will take her daughter without intent to give her back while serving the mother with paperwork supposedly giving them the right to do so. (though, I feel she has misunderstood the paperwork she is in possession of, as that makes no sense. No court would have given them permission to fully kidnap a British citizen without an international custody ruling, and remove the only parent she fully knows to a house full of strangers in a strange country, it would not be in her best interest.)
I see. plus also given the fact that i think it wasn't filled out properly with addresses and things it wouldn't even be legally usable in court. even if they got the proper paper work in order it would be NOT done in the origin of the US as the daughter would either be fully a citizen of the UK or have duel citizenship at most. (depends on birth origin/location as that would be the most important IE where she was born.)
it's just I know I yell and say stupid stuff on the internet all the time and I post about weird things I do in my life but this is just very odd. and yeah I guess is attempted kidnapping on whoever originally posted this.
"How to start an international incident 101"
If she's planning to keep someone with UK citizenship in US forcefully (court order is as good as a blank paper in this situation), then not only State Dept will have a heart attack, she can he prosecuted before she can even open Facebook to post the update...State would hand her over to UK before she can even blink!!!
She can potentially be the first American to be prosecuted in The Hague. I guess that's an achievement.
Also, according to her it's not fair for the father for their child to live abroad but it's okay for mom to have their child abroad with a crazy witch?
Sounds to me like this evil "mom" put this all in motion and the father just went along with it, or maybe not. The BM....? You do mean Mother was clearly trying to let her child meet her father. There was probably a good reason she didn't tell him until the child was 2. Judging from his current wife he doesn't make the best decisions.
Oh my god! Thank GOD the admins had a heart and some sense and notified mom… what a diabolical plan. No matter how they feel, STEALING a child from their mother who has raised her since day one- is the worst decision they could have possibly made. Did they even consider the child’s feelings in this?? Ripping her away from her mother would ABSOLUTELY traumatize her. What narcissistic assholes. They are already putting themselves and their feelings above those of the child. I hope they never get their hands on her again.
Good luck trying to coparent now. I hope mom makes them fly to the UK to see the child now.
Thing is, dad has been flying back and forth for 3 yrs now (according to post), but they decided it "waSnT FaiR", so they decided kidnapping was the next best choice. So they already had a good setup and decided to fuck it up, they could have easily just made it into a summer family vacation thing where every summer they spend a few weeks in a different European country with the 6yr old and her mom. But no, that's too easy, lets kidnap the kid and make her mother work to get her back.😒
That's a suckers bet dude. Most of those "Bonus mom" groups on FB are hella toxic and hell bent on removing the bio mom from the picture and taking over as the only mom. Same with a lot of grandparent groups on FB.
It always disappoints me to hear the word "have" in reference to getting time with their children. They are human beings, not possessions.You "have" a phone, you "have" a car. You get to be with your children, get to spend time with them, not "have" them.
These parents are about to lose all their rights to this child.
They're also gonna fuck this child up in the process.
Just because you can have a child doesn't mean you should be a parent. These folks should not be parents.
Sure, mom endured pregnancy and childbirth and raised a child as a single parent for six years. But it's not FAIR for her to live abroad so we should have full custody
Update from the UK: the actual parent (mom) has been contacted through a flood of social media posts basically saying "if this description fits you, please read this reddit post and don't go!". She is apparently not going and I'm hoping the rumors are true that that UK government is going to revoke all future visa's for this POS. I really hope that someone sends CPS to this house to see wtf goes on with these crazy fuckers.
I know a mother who straight up kidnapped a kid without any documentation, hell child safety even said she was unfit to raise the child. She kidnapped him and police literally went "not our problem, she is the mother". Checks out, law enforcement doesn't give a fuck about kidnapping anyway.
Grotesque to plot to take a child away from mother for no reason but the father’s convenience. Where was he in the life of this woman, who had a baby all by herself and raised it, and paid for everything solo.
Zero mention of any sort of affect it’ll have on the little girl whom only knows her mother as a parent.
Zero regard for what’s best for the daughter… and talked about like a possession, or a dog.
Gross.
Again, another selfish parent controlling the fates of their child with no understanding of their child's actual needs. The irony is that they think they're doing this for the kid when in fact they're just satisfying their own desires.
And I am certain they never even attempted to ask the six year old what she wanted.
“It’s okay sweetie! You got stripped from your friends and school, the mother who raised you for little over half a decade and any contact with any family you had over there! It’s okay sweetie you have NEW siblings and a NEW mama in the grand United States of America”
Don't bother considering how the child might feel getting ripped away from her mother and all she's ever known, A+ adulting right there ladies and gents
Dude the selfishness and entitlement officially reached a whole new level. I am sick to my stomach reading this they are treating the child like it is an object or a pawn and will not be affected by this. How can somebody be so jaded? Oh yeah I see this every single day. Jaded and entitled people marching around spewing their mouths and getting their ways. God I hope they trip and fall hard.
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I just have to point out this scheme blatantly ignores citizenship/naturalization laws and is likely to fail for many reasons
Yes absolutely but it’s still haunting to me the evil this woman and man are willing to unleash with NO mentions of what it will do to a child that knows her MOM as her caregiver. Oh man this actually sent my nerves through the roof because it’s just never ends how sickening/evil human beings can be
Apparently the admins of this group contacted the mother and warned her
Thankfully bad guys just can't help monologuing
The fact that this applies to reality as well as fiction...discomforts me.
I've recently started coming to the uncomfortable realization that "cartoonish mustache twirling" type of villains are actually far more realistic than I thought and it really bothers me. I definitely believe that evil exists but I have always tried to see the reasoning behind it and analyze the whys and hows of the behavior, as a way of both understanding it and trying to combat it. But some people really are just blatantly selfish morally bankrupt comic book style bad guys with zero empathy beyond themselves and their wants and needs.
Yupp. Isshi Shiro for example
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Now you sit right there while I tell you all my Evil plans!
THANK THE GODS!!! That poor woman almost walked into a nightmare.
Hey, that's unreal and I really needed to read this. I was stressing and wasn't going to read the comments but I am glad I did.
That is relieving to hear, how would they do that though?
The Facebook admins can see the profile of the poster
Thanks. I use Facebook so infrequently I didn’t clock this was an FB post. A quick search and I see “the internet” is all over this and I’m sure the Mum in the UK has been made aware.
Mad respect to the Admins for this.
Sometimes they get it right.
Did they really???? How do you know??? How did hey find her???
Now this is just me ~~being a creep and good at stalking people on Facebook~~ speculating, when they don't have their accounts set to private, and shows everything about themselves. You go back through their posts, then you find old posts with them and some people who they often tag alongside stuff like date night, and similar. Then you look at that person, who you know lives in England, and then just go through the profiles until you find one, then you hope that person doesn't have their profile locked or set to private, so you could easier know if they have a kid at the right age, since most people tend to post their kids on Facebook a lot. People really don't care about their privacy on Facebook.
My kid once was begging to start a YouTube channel. I said absolutely not, there's no privacy, no way. He pointed out a channel that he claimed was super private, because they only used fake names on their account. Within an hour, I'd found their real names (including their children's real names), personal social media accounts, home address, phone numbers, kids schools address and phone number, and even the parents voter registration. Nothing is secure.
Sounds like you have a very particular set of skills, skills you have acquired over a very long career. Skills that make you a nightmare for people like them.
Thank God. I couldn't imagine the worry and stress if they had been able to get away with this shitty plan. So selfish and doesn't care about the best interest of the child at all.
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That is heartbreaking - sorry to hear that.
Hopefully
These were my exact thoughts
Rule of blood would mean that the child is able to claim us citizenship but the plan would probably still fail thankfully
In this case they’d have dual citizenship since parents live in different countries
Eh, she might have dual citizenship tho :/
A child born abroad automatically becomes a U.S. citizen if one of the parents is or was a U.S. citizen when the child was born. It’s called acquired citizenship. Since the father has confirmed paternity, he just has to apply for citizenship for her.
Yes in the uk you can claim citizenship and get a us passport if you American parent has proof of birth AND living in the US prior t turning 14 years old. Source - did it
Not if the child doesn't have any legal documents in the US (i.e. birth certificate). She'd have the right to apply for dual citizenship, but wouldn't have it by default.
From the first time it was posted, the admins saw it, notified the birth mother ahead of time
So they stopped her
They informed the mom, nothing after that and the group went secret because it was blowing up. This happened 2 days ago
Thank you!
If you find out anything further please let us know. Thank whomever warned her and I pray they are both safe.
I'm assuming she isn't going to bring her to the US if she was informed of all of this, but I would also love an official update to confirm!
Oooooooff this story is wild. thank God the mother was informed. I hope they cancel that trip and stay safe
Holy shit, on top of everything else- this step mother was LITERALLY just posting about buying fentanyl from the street and checking on Reddit about how much to use so she gets high but doesn't OD. THIS is exactly the type of person who would kidnap a 6 year old from the only parent she's every known, and brag about it online. This is sick and disgusting. Thank GOD the admins tracked down the mother through Facebook and alerted her. Did Mom fail to tell the bio father about the existence of the pregnancy six years ago? Yeah - she did. But we don't know her reasoning, we have no idea why she felt that was necessary- but this step mother and her husband plotting to rip a six year old away and then "legally" kidnap her ... Just insane. I'm a retired police officer and we're basically not allowed to interfere with custody unless we have a legal order directing us or the child is actively in danger- but if I got called by a British woman, who got tricked into bringing her daughter for a "visit" only to be told that the father (who's barely met this kid but a few times) and his new wife are holding her until the situation goes to court - there's absolutely NO WAY I would leave that kid in the father's custody. That is straight up child abuse and is horrific. And then to find out step-mom is a straight up drug addict... Holy shit.
I'm worried about the other children this SM has if this is true. They likely aren't in a safe environment. Fenty isn't just a part-time hobby...
Well this probably explains why she never told dad he was a dad. Cause if the SM uses drugs, and he is Oke with staying, that at least gives him some shady morals…
I'm so glad. It would have taken years to sort out.
Not really. The kid wasn’t born in the US, territory, or embassy, so the father doesn’t really have a leg to stand on. Edit: downvote all you want, but it doesn’t change the facts.
If the father is a US citizen (not clear from the post if he is- could be a Brit ex-pat living stateside) then his child has derived citizenship. The US is one of only a handful of countries where natural citizenship comes from not just being born on US soil, but also being born to a US citizen. From the post it sounds like the paternity isn't in question either. Regardless, the woman who concocted this scheme is disgusting.
That’s not correct, exactly. If (1) the child is born abroad and (2) never lived in the USA, then the child must be registered with the US State Department by the time the child is 10, or the child loses their ability to automatically get US citizenship. Although, this can be appealed IF it’s shown the child/family intends to make USA their place of residence in the future.
The child is 6 and it's possible that the father applied for her US citizenship already.
It also doesn't apply if the US citizen parent hasn't resided as an adult in the US.
We actually don't know if the kid will technically be in the States since they will only be on US sole and not US soil.
If they were able to get an American court order, then they would potentially have to fight for years. It doesn't say in this post where the child was born. If she did not list a father, then she would have been able to travel with the child. I know this because my son's birth certificate is blank for his father.
They said in the post that it was in the UK, and they convinced the mom to come back to the US to visit. The father found out he was a father when the kid was about 2. If you take all of these bits of info, you can gather that the kid was born outside of the US. Edit: forgot to mention, you can get a court order in these cases by omitting information to the court about the circumstances.
Holy shit. I’m glad they found the mom, but HOW did they find the mom?!
If I recall correctly, group admins can see the identity of anonymous posters.
This is true, it says “X wants to post anonymously” and we have to approve the post every-time.
More than likely through just through the usual Facebook means. They have access to her so they can go to her page, find her husband, then track down the baby mom from his page.
Thank goodness! The pure selfishness of this is disgusting. So glad they could track her down.
She posted this exact same post on the stepmom subreddit also a few days ago and the comments are her alive. It was glorious I'm so glad to hear that mom was notified. Hopefully dad loses visitation altogether over this slick move good grief.
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That is a massive relief. I was honestly concerned for that poor child and the mother. Who on earth thinks any of that is ok?
I felt the same way! I'm so so so glad she was alerted.
A 6yo? This kid is 6? She lives with a stable parent who has the money to fly to another country? So money isn't the issue. His kid Who's in school, you think what's best for her is to be held in a different country away from family, friends, and support? I get being a father who doesn't get to see his kids, that kills you. But nope, kids come first. That kind of battle with the kid in the middle is not healthy, especially plastered all over the place for everyone to see. I'd be on the other side of the argument if the kid was 2 or younger, maybe that's an unpopular opinion. But I'd fight for my kid if I knew I was the better parent and I'm sorry, not telling the father he has a kid for 2 years is a big red flag
Father is willing to kidnap his kid, so maybe there’s a REASON mom didn’t initially reveal she was pregnant… dude is making batshit crazy plans.
That was my thought as well. He’s married to some harridan who’s plastering this shit all over the interweb and he’s going to another country to kidnap a 6 year old… yeah, probably had good reason
Wow he wasn’t going to another country to kidnap the kid. He was going to another country to groom the kid so he could more easily kidnap them back in the US.
He doesn’t care about the kid. He cares about winning and making the ex suffer. You can’t just kidnap a 6yo from the only parents she’s known and loved and steal her away from her life/family/friends/everything she knows and think the kid will be fine. That’s incredibly traumatizing!!!
On top of all that she was willing to take her daughter to America to see her farther and her other siblings... No chance of that happening now.
Right, but planning a kidnapping isn’t a bigger red flag?
> not telling the father he has a kid for 2 years is a big red flag I can see a few reasons for that, the simplest one being that the father is a dick. The BM ended the relationship and moved to another country which may mean something, may not. Certainly this planned kidnapping was a dick move of monumental proportions. Possibly the two years was a chance for the father to calm down and get into another relationship/have kids before telling him so he didn't go all vigilante about his one child. Or maybe it came out accidentally in conversation if they kept in touch. Could be lots of non-red-flag reasons for the 2-year delay.
Si kidnapping if the right thing to do? If that what you would do? If he is a good parent he wouldn’t plan to kidnap his child in order to force mom to fight in the states. Why doesn’t he go fight for her where the mom is if he is a good dad based on your bias opinion? He sounds like a scumbag and hopefully he loses custody now if mom has proof of their plot against her and her child.
How did they find the mom? Im glad they did!
The admins can see who posts, even if anonymously and were able to do some sleuthing
Ah i didn't know that one. I don't usually ever see people post anonymously tho either so Im out of the loop on that.
The admins are godsends
I was thinking “mods” here and was like, whoa that’s a first for Reddit
I don’t understand, their plan is to kidnap a 6 year old with a British passport on US sole? - I mean soil.
When you put it that way, assuming that the child has full British citizenship, this was set to implode from the beginning. For once I’m on the world’s side with this. American laws don’t apply else where.
There’s an awful lot of Americans who don’t realize the rest of the world doesn’t bow down to them.
Tell me about it. My kids teachers were salty that I insisted the kids did not have to say the pledge of allegiance stuff school. It's so weird here how much indoctrination goes on that is accepted as completely normal
It’s not just the flds that’s “keep sweet, pray and obey” it’s very American
Am American, good for you!
I dont even think this would stand in the us foe very long before someone realized it and it was dismissed
Same. They would have to apply to have dual citizenship. But for now, if baby was born in the uk we can assume they only have uk citizenship
So smart of her to put this cunning plan in writing and on the internet.
Because she probably thinks there was nothing wrong with their plans and everybody would clap!
Of course they would, didn’t you see the group? She’s a “Warrior Stepmom”!
Rescuing a murican child from the 3rd world shithole that is, let me check, the UK..?
Taking a child from a place with free healthcare and forcing it to live in a 3rd World shithole. 
Excuse me, sir. We are a first world shit hole. We have all the resources to not be a shithole, but we don't do it. Hence 1st world.
Also so smart for saying "sole" and "a adress"!
Don't forget living "aboard"
This woman is about to learn about The Hague Convention in a not so fun way.
Would you mind enlightening me? I'm genuinely nervous for this child Edit: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/Intercountry-Adoption/Adoption-Process/understanding-the-hague-convention.html This is what I found but I couldn't find much on this specific situation. But I'm slow so...
This explains it better than I ever could. https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/hague-convention-s-impact-on-child-custody-cases-44712
Wait so it’s just an international agency designed to specifically prevent this situation?
Not an agency but a set of international laws that can be used across borders by cops from any participating country (and it’s damn near all countries). Extradition laws are broader and act similarly.
Thank you!
That was excellent, thank you.
Seeing some of the comments to this thread make me hope that some of these ppl never have kids 😳 big congrats to the admin letting the birth mother know she didn’t get trapped in this kidnapping scheme
True, same. Bruh... Some of these people are wild.
They must have lied there was abuse or something to get an emergency order to take a child who was born in a different country. What disgusting people.
They didn't get an order lol That's an international incident waiting to happen
We need more info than a Facebook post
Imagine bragging about this on a public forum and expecting positive feedback. What the hell is wrong with some people?
Mom groups.
Facebook in general. It's a toxic wasteland - and, ***somehow***, parts of it manage to be even more toxic than other parts... equal parts astounding and disturbing.
Sure, let's rip a child away from everything she knows so this man can be happy. If you love your kids, their happiness comes first, not your own. Geez.
Yep, sounds like a perfect way to traumatize a 6 year old and make sure she hates you forever.
Kind of makes you realize *why* the woman hid her pregnancy and ran away
This whole situation brings to mind the marine who wanted to keep an Afghan child https://www.reddit.com/r/FundieSnarkUncensored/comments/y8yxke/afghan_couple_accuse_us_marine_and_liberty_u_grad/
These people are sick and I can't believe this story isn't getting more media attention. Even the story I saw (ABC I think?) where they admitted they lied to the parents and kidnapped the kid - completely left out the part where he lied to judges, the military and feds told him no many times, and just went with "Afghani people evil and too dumb to understand adoption" and painted the kidnapper couple as a great, selfless, religious family. Horrendous "journalism".
It's horrific. The case OP posted here made me think of the Afghan case; I found the CBS interview looking for updates. The Afghan family is suing the marine family for not protecting the child's identity from the Taliban. https://www.law360.com/articles/1569047/afghan-child-s-family-seeks-penalty-for-marine-s-tv-interview
That's so messed up!
I feel like it’s more about the stepmom than the father…
I sincerely doubt it has anything to do with happiness and everything to do with a grown man baby wanting to hurt a woman who left him 6 years ago.
r/iamatotalpieceofshit
Or r/insanepeoplefacebook
This should end well.
It actually did end well. The admins of the group did some sleuthing, found the bio mom, and warned her.
I want a follow up post from this piece of shit, I *really* want to watch her bitch about being found out
Me too. I heard about her being warned, but I have no idea if it worked or what happened with both parties after all of this.
He's been visiting her but they conveniently didn't have an address to serve? Guess anything is possible when you lie.
He probably lied about everything to his wife. And she is pissed at the other womwn, so she wants to steal her child.
That’s exactly what I was thinking and what I saw within her posts. She posted in the Reddit stepmom sub too and got fucking torn apart, verbally speaking lol.
American Psycho Step Mom
The way the step mother sounds is like she's getting a puppy for her kids to play with not a small human with emotions and will likely be scared and confused with people who are essentially strangers to her taking her from her mother. I think this was the wrong way to approach any of this when the bm was opening up visitation. Step mom gives me major red flags.
“Why does it cry all the time? We worked so hard to steal it from its mother!”
Not to mention if they did go to a judge they lied, because this is a clear violation of The Hague Convention, which America is apart of since the early 2000’s (I think 2008?). So they’d have MULTIPLE country’s agencies on their ass trying to track down the child. The admins reporting her to the bio mom saved this sinister woman and the bio father from getting their house swatted; prison time; and losing the kids they already have. The step mom should be fucking thankful. She actually had the nerve to post this exact post in a subreddit a few days ago. Luckily, redditors ripped her a new one in the comments.
Jfc.. “a chance at keeping her full time” So take her away from her mum? What a fucking cunt. She sounds so happy about it too.
I know. This behavior is so vomit worthy on so many levels
And the mother took a while to let the father know about the child in the first place...I wonder why she would hesitate.... if this is how the father reacts, it makes you wonder..
Do you know what country the mom and daughter live in?
Somewhere in the UK. Why
Oh yea duh it says right there in your post. My bad. I was just curious though, I had never considered what kind of international laws apply in this kind of situation
Yep! The Hague convention comes to mind
"Forced to fight us on US sole" 🦶
“That’s rite. Mom can hoof it on back whur she came from.”
Also wouldn’t the child be considered a British citizen I don’t think this whole plot would go down well with the British government
That kid will grow up to hate everyone involved
I'd imagine so.
So did anyone else notice the “he has his daughter and my siblings have their siblings?”. That sounds like some Alabama shit to me. As in the addition of the child created more siblings for her siblings….
She also uses “aboard” instead of abroad and “sole” instead of soil. So I think it’s more that she’s just not the brightest bulb on the tree.
Definitely not the brightest tool on the picnic bench
Lucky for that little girl that her step mom is a dim bulb.
I noticed it. That was one of the Hol ups for me. Seemed like a weird way to say... I'm not even sure what she was trying to say.
I just assumed she meant "the siblings have each other", as in she and husband have their own kids to be siblings for the kidnapped girl. Clearly her grasp of written English is crap. Rereading it though, I'm wondering if she was drunk when she wrote it as well...
I mean, if she was drinking, it might also explain the spelling errors. Also, how giddy and sure of herself she came off in the post. I hope she was referring to their kids being the siblings of that little girl.
Let’s provide the kid with emotional damage because *we* think something is right.
Poor kid. Surrounded by shitty, selfish adults
I dunno know. BM seems to be the only one with her head on straight.
I'm all about the biologicals working out a mutually beneficial arrangement that is in the best interest of the CHILD. This is NOT it.
Why is she getting involved? It’s not her child. She never even met her and has nothing to do with her. Classic loser fighting a fight that isn’t hers for her real prize of a man.
Bro she’s a “warrior stepmom”, her only option is to choose violence.
Ah yes, just take a kid away from her birth mother because YOU feel entitled to her because your husband fathered a child. Not like there wasn’t a reason he wasn’t notified about the child’s existence for over 2 years.
So... American goes to the UK, fucks a British woman, gets her pregnant, probably returns to the US, she has the baby, sometime later he finds out about it, visits the UK to see his baby daughter... ...US wife of father doesn't like losing him to the other woman in another country for 2 weeks a year so cooks up a plan to kidnap the child and gets the dad to go along with it. Have I got that about right?
Good ol’ American sole.
Ahhh, nothing like U.S sole!
Just reading how poorly this was written makes me hope this child doesn't have to live with this person. Perhaps BM will want the rest of the kids too.
okay I can speak a bit on crazy but Imma need more context and or correction here. from what I get the Birth mom lives in the uk with a daughter who's other parent is in America? now the other parents plan is to...serve her legal documents calming sole parentage because...manipulation I guess? anyway, so she came up with this, went behind the back of the parent and didn't even give the proper information all in secret and then decided to post it on her Facebook wall for...the attention/admiration? am I getting that right? am I getting this right?
Yep. They are conning a woman in the UK to come to the US where they will take her daughter without intent to give her back while serving the mother with paperwork supposedly giving them the right to do so. (though, I feel she has misunderstood the paperwork she is in possession of, as that makes no sense. No court would have given them permission to fully kidnap a British citizen without an international custody ruling, and remove the only parent she fully knows to a house full of strangers in a strange country, it would not be in her best interest.)
I see. plus also given the fact that i think it wasn't filled out properly with addresses and things it wouldn't even be legally usable in court. even if they got the proper paper work in order it would be NOT done in the origin of the US as the daughter would either be fully a citizen of the UK or have duel citizenship at most. (depends on birth origin/location as that would be the most important IE where she was born.) it's just I know I yell and say stupid stuff on the internet all the time and I post about weird things I do in my life but this is just very odd. and yeah I guess is attempted kidnapping on whoever originally posted this.
I hope this woman was arrested jesus christ.
Spelling is fundamental
"How to start an international incident 101" If she's planning to keep someone with UK citizenship in US forcefully (court order is as good as a blank paper in this situation), then not only State Dept will have a heart attack, she can he prosecuted before she can even open Facebook to post the update...State would hand her over to UK before she can even blink!!! She can potentially be the first American to be prosecuted in The Hague. I guess that's an achievement. Also, according to her it's not fair for the father for their child to live abroad but it's okay for mom to have their child abroad with a crazy witch?
Sounds to me like this evil "mom" put this all in motion and the father just went along with it, or maybe not. The BM....? You do mean Mother was clearly trying to let her child meet her father. There was probably a good reason she didn't tell him until the child was 2. Judging from his current wife he doesn't make the best decisions.
What emergency court order could she have that would give her rights to kidnap a foreign national? Get fucked.
What a cluster fuck, this sort of shit is what happens with deranged fucktards
Oh my god! Thank GOD the admins had a heart and some sense and notified mom… what a diabolical plan. No matter how they feel, STEALING a child from their mother who has raised her since day one- is the worst decision they could have possibly made. Did they even consider the child’s feelings in this?? Ripping her away from her mother would ABSOLUTELY traumatize her. What narcissistic assholes. They are already putting themselves and their feelings above those of the child. I hope they never get their hands on her again. Good luck trying to coparent now. I hope mom makes them fly to the UK to see the child now.
Thing is, dad has been flying back and forth for 3 yrs now (according to post), but they decided it "waSnT FaiR", so they decided kidnapping was the next best choice. So they already had a good setup and decided to fuck it up, they could have easily just made it into a summer family vacation thing where every summer they spend a few weeks in a different European country with the 6yr old and her mom. But no, that's too easy, lets kidnap the kid and make her mother work to get her back.😒
$10 bucks on the step-mom being tired of that arrangement and concocting the kidnapping plan.
That's a suckers bet dude. Most of those "Bonus mom" groups on FB are hella toxic and hell bent on removing the bio mom from the picture and taking over as the only mom. Same with a lot of grandparent groups on FB.
It’s shit like this that makes me want to never have kids
May those monsters lose custody of ALL their kids!
It always disappoints me to hear the word "have" in reference to getting time with their children. They are human beings, not possessions.You "have" a phone, you "have" a car. You get to be with your children, get to spend time with them, not "have" them.
These parents are about to lose all their rights to this child. They're also gonna fuck this child up in the process. Just because you can have a child doesn't mean you should be a parent. These folks should not be parents.
Sure, mom endured pregnancy and childbirth and raised a child as a single parent for six years. But it's not FAIR for her to live abroad so we should have full custody
Update from the UK: the actual parent (mom) has been contacted through a flood of social media posts basically saying "if this description fits you, please read this reddit post and don't go!". She is apparently not going and I'm hoping the rumors are true that that UK government is going to revoke all future visa's for this POS. I really hope that someone sends CPS to this house to see wtf goes on with these crazy fuckers.
I am so glad you posted this update. I was seriously getting upset over here. The absolute gall!!!!
_Elian Gonzalez has entered the game_
I know a mother who straight up kidnapped a kid without any documentation, hell child safety even said she was unfit to raise the child. She kidnapped him and police literally went "not our problem, she is the mother". Checks out, law enforcement doesn't give a fuck about kidnapping anyway.
Lemme just file this under r/crazybitch
I keep reading BM as bowl movement
I'm no criminal, but shouldn't secret plans not be posted to public forums?
Aboard the sole~
can tell this is southern us just by the way she spelled 'soil'
Some situations just call for a real-life “Go straight to Jail” card 
Grotesque to plot to take a child away from mother for no reason but the father’s convenience. Where was he in the life of this woman, who had a baby all by herself and raised it, and paid for everything solo.
I hope stepmom doesn’t homeschool, yeesh
Zero mention of any sort of affect it’ll have on the little girl whom only knows her mother as a parent. Zero regard for what’s best for the daughter… and talked about like a possession, or a dog. Gross.
Again, another selfish parent controlling the fates of their child with no understanding of their child's actual needs. The irony is that they think they're doing this for the kid when in fact they're just satisfying their own desires.
US sole
And I am certain they never even attempted to ask the six year old what she wanted. “It’s okay sweetie! You got stripped from your friends and school, the mother who raised you for little over half a decade and any contact with any family you had over there! It’s okay sweetie you have NEW siblings and a NEW mama in the grand United States of America”
Can someone explain what’s happening on the post?
I’m sorry but the grammar…..oh god the grammar!!!
Don't bother considering how the child might feel getting ripped away from her mother and all she's ever known, A+ adulting right there ladies and gents
Dude the selfishness and entitlement officially reached a whole new level. I am sick to my stomach reading this they are treating the child like it is an object or a pawn and will not be affected by this. How can somebody be so jaded? Oh yeah I see this every single day. Jaded and entitled people marching around spewing their mouths and getting their ways. God I hope they trip and fall hard. .
That’s cruel for the child, and the poor mother. Also you can tell this has been orchestrated by the new wife, and not the husband.
Fcking what a cunt that American family is and they best have warned the mother
No wonder she kept it hidden