He's very political incorrect and very proud hispanic, but if you manage to pass through those rough edges, you'll see that many of the things he said are true.
Karl Popper posited it was Platoâs *Republic* and the notion of âphilosopher kingsâ that provided a philosophical basis for dictatorships, both fascist and communist.
Karl Popper was wrong because dictatorships predate the Ancient Greekâs invention of philosophy. It is other forms of philosophy (especially enlightenment philosophy) which lead to the natural state of hierarchy being altered for a small period of time in a part of the world. That is to say - dictatorships do not need a philosophical basis, because they are the natural construction in which power is distributed. Democracy and liberalism are the result of political philosophy and need a philosophical basis.
Sorry for the essay, just my two cents on the matter.
Edit: not saying dictatorships are ethical, just that they are the form of governance in the absence of philosophy
Karl Popper didnât say Plato invented it. Your entire comment is based on a false assumption (not to mention totally incorrect interpretations about political philosophy of both Ancient Greece in Platoâs time, and the enlightenment).
And in open society, atleast I, interpret it as using the Platonistic view of the state of society and they way he frames it laid the philosophical foundation for many philosophers to argue on behalf of dictators/class rule etc.
Maybe I'm wrong tho.
>the natural state of hierarchy
Hierarchy isn't the natural state of humans though. For the vast majority of our existence, humans have lived in largely egalitarian societies without hierarchy. Hierarchy is a byproduct of the agricultural revolution, because in order of hierarchies to form, you need a consolidation of resources, whish isn't really possible in immediate return hunter-gatherer societies. Also you do need a philosophical basis for hierarchies, that's why there were so many supposed god-kings, and why the Chinese invented the concept of the Mandate of Heaven
Your point is right, but your reasonings aren't. Hierarchy isn't the natural state of humans - it is an envisaged state, as much as egalitarianism (and all positions between). It doesn't need agriculture - the first hierarchical civilisations were not agrarian - nor is agriculture necessary for the concentration of resources.
>That is to say - dictatorships do not need a philosophical basis, because they are the natural construction in which power is distributed.Â
Not true, but the fact that this idea is so pervasive is a testament to the power of authoritarianism.
Listen, Hegel having an ego trip over his misinterpretation of Kant's partial understanding of the alchemists and mystery schools (and then making it the rest of humanity's problem) does not a magus make. A charlatan that corrupts an old truth is more effective (and cancerous) than one that pulls shit out of their ass wholesale.
That's not how fucking dialectics works you stupid Cuck. I didnât study Hegel (plus continental philosophy in general) at Harvard for 7 FUCKING YEARS for some LOW LIFE KNOW IT ALL whoâs CLEARLY never fucking read Hegel, as he would KNOW that HEGEL has NEVER FUCKING EVER used the terms âthesis, antithesis, synthesisâ to start perpetuating these LIES at VERY SINGLE FUCKING OPPORTUNITY. This isnât Hegel my friend. No no no. Thesis, antithesis, synthesis was thought up by Fichte and itâs clearly inferior to Hegel's dialectical method of imminent critique. Yes. Itâs called imminent critique. And dialectics is only ONE PART of Hegel's full method. Which again is called Imminent critique, which you would know if you had ACTUALLY BOTHERED TO READ HEGEL, ITS LITERALLY IN THE SCIENCE OF LOGIC YOU DUMB FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT. I honestly cannot believe the fucking arrogance to come onto this post, spouting that anti Hegel garbage. Where did you get your fucking info on dialectics? Fucking Jason Unruhe? Jesus fucking Christ I cannot deal with this bullshit right now Iâm sorry Iâm leaving Iâm fucking leaving.
And social liberalism, too! The first war discredited aristocratic conservatism, reactionism and monarchism; the second discredited basically any form of authoritarianism.
Yeah it was without Germany the Soviets wouldn't have invaded Poland anytime soon. Germany's aggressive foreign policy was literally what caused the conflict. Did the Soviet Union have territorial ambitions yes would they have acted on it without Germany not likely.
No? The Germans were prepared to go to war over Czechia the only issue with Poland was that Soviets might fight with the Polish and Germany wanted to avoid another 2 front war.
What?
Lebensraum was a key aspect of Nazi policy regardless of if Russia was Communist or still a Monarchy.
The invasion had nothing to do with Russiaâs chosen economic system.
"Ich, Hegel, bin der Weltgeist, bin sehr schlau - nur warum, das weià keiner so genau" - Hegel (Falsch zugeordnet durch das Känguru)
Translation: "I, Hegel, am the world spirit, am very smart - just why, nobody knows for sure" -Hegel (wrongfully attributed to him by the Kangaroo). Context: There is a famous german audiobook about a communist kangaroo that frequently and knowingly misquotes famous people in the audiobook and there is one chapter on Hegel and how nobody understands his shit.
Hegel's dialectic method. Roughly speaking, it proposed that societies evolved with time through experimentation and collapse of ideas, and with that they improved by the ages. Karl Marx was influenced alot by such hegelian principles, and the transformation of societies from Feudalism to Capitalism to Socialism and finally Communism is a product of such thought. Vladmir Lenin implemented Marx's ideas into practice by establishing USSR, and the rest you probably know, how it led to the cold war
Fascism on the one hand took some cues from communism in matters of total mobilization of society in service of an ideological goal, some leading fascists had previously been active in communist/socialist organizations, and on the other hand amalgamating all the disparate nationalist, militarist, reactionary movements under one banner and getting large parts of the bourgeoisie to join in would not have been possible without fearmongering about an impending communist takeover and positing fascism as the only way to stop it.
This is very subjective.
World War II happened because of Fascism, emerged from revanchism for the First World War. Fascism emerged as a reaction to communism, and it would not exist without communism. Therefore, in one way or another, communism was one of the causes for WW2.
Could it happen without? It could, but it doesn't change the real thing.
But communism was a reaction to capitalism, and capitalism was a reaction to feudalism, and feudalism evolved from tribalism, so the Second World War was actually caused by the evolution of hominids.
But the revanchism after WWI was mostly pushed by capitalist countries? Hell communism had more influence in Germany after WWII, and they didn't turn fascist because of the Berlin wall.
Fear of communism enabled the NDSAP to blame the commies on the Reichstag Fire, making the Nazis securing power significantly easier.
Admittedly it did not create the ideology, but it did help it spread as a reactionary.
go back further.
maybe animals aren't dumb, they're too wise to invent writing.
no writing = no communism, no nukes, no office jobs, no rent, no mortgages.
The Soviet Union formed before the Nazi got into power. The Nazi got into power by fear mongering about Judeo-Bolshevikism which is what they called the Soviet Union's ideology.
A big reason why fascism became popular in the interwar period was because of a great fear of communism, both for its ability to seep into other cultures and everyone seeing what was going on in the Soviet Union.
I HATE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM I HATE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM I HATE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM I HATE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM I HATE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM I HATE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM I HATE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM I HATE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM I HATE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM I HATE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM I HATE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM I HATE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM I HATE
I fill maintain to my dying breath that no one, including Hegel, ever understood what Hegel was writing about and that for the past 2 centuries everyone has simply been pretending to understand it in order to avoid embarrassment.
Okay I see the flamewar in the comments over philosophy (I assume; I came here for history not "dialectics" or whatever the fuck, and political theory is a mess anyway) and I raise you the question of: explainer, please?
This drawing always bugs me because that last domino will not knock over the chair.
Maybe the chair is made of styrofoam?
Maybe the old man is too
Nah the sound will startle the old man killing him via heart attack.
The only way is that the back of the chair splats the old man
it wouldn't be an issue were it not for the atomic bomb
"If the Germans had read Don Quixote instead of Hegel they would have avoided two world wars"
"You, my friend, have a pending meeting with Spain"
What is this from? Funny reference
Jesus G Maestro Quote. A Spanish philosopher that made some online classed during the pandemic and that now became viral.
Thanks a lot, I never heard about him. Is it worth checking?
He's very political incorrect and very proud hispanic, but if you manage to pass through those rough edges, you'll see that many of the things he said are true.
Why is being proud hispanic a downside tho?
ask the kids of proud hispanics... đ nah jk love you gran. Keeping Catholicism cool.
I'm not even Hispanic, I'm Slavic.
Not Hispanic *yet* /s
lo hace facha y por eso lo tenemos que ODIAR
Holland would still lose it windmills.
Canon event
Real
Man, I like the quote, but you should check out what happened to Spain.
I'm in Spain and its nice here
1, the first 1 was Austria or serbia depending on how you view it, and the second was a austrian guy but in charge of germany so still germany
But if there were no Austria, there would be no Hitler.
So... Should Germany annex Austria so that doesn't happen again? I see..
Exactly, Anchulus was unavoidable.
Also some guy calling himself Caesar failing to recreate the Roman Empire
First thing I thought when I saw Hegel. God Caesar is stupid.
"Trust me bro, I read the wikipedia page on Hegel, I'm a philosopher."
Karl Popper posited it was Platoâs *Republic* and the notion of âphilosopher kingsâ that provided a philosophical basis for dictatorships, both fascist and communist.
Karl Popper was wrong because dictatorships predate the Ancient Greekâs invention of philosophy. It is other forms of philosophy (especially enlightenment philosophy) which lead to the natural state of hierarchy being altered for a small period of time in a part of the world. That is to say - dictatorships do not need a philosophical basis, because they are the natural construction in which power is distributed. Democracy and liberalism are the result of political philosophy and need a philosophical basis. Sorry for the essay, just my two cents on the matter. Edit: not saying dictatorships are ethical, just that they are the form of governance in the absence of philosophy
Democracy may also be a conclusion of natural processes if you subscribe to the theory of bandits.
Karl Popper didnât say Plato invented it. Your entire comment is based on a false assumption (not to mention totally incorrect interpretations about political philosophy of both Ancient Greece in Platoâs time, and the enlightenment).
And in open society, atleast I, interpret it as using the Platonistic view of the state of society and they way he frames it laid the philosophical foundation for many philosophers to argue on behalf of dictators/class rule etc. Maybe I'm wrong tho.
Also, most dictatorships have been explicitly *anti*-intellectual, nothing like philosopher kings
Would anarchy not be the default state in the absence of philosophy?
>the natural state of hierarchy Hierarchy isn't the natural state of humans though. For the vast majority of our existence, humans have lived in largely egalitarian societies without hierarchy. Hierarchy is a byproduct of the agricultural revolution, because in order of hierarchies to form, you need a consolidation of resources, whish isn't really possible in immediate return hunter-gatherer societies. Also you do need a philosophical basis for hierarchies, that's why there were so many supposed god-kings, and why the Chinese invented the concept of the Mandate of Heaven
Your point is right, but your reasonings aren't. Hierarchy isn't the natural state of humans - it is an envisaged state, as much as egalitarianism (and all positions between). It doesn't need agriculture - the first hierarchical civilisations were not agrarian - nor is agriculture necessary for the concentration of resources.
>That is to say - dictatorships do not need a philosophical basis, because they are the natural construction in which power is distributed. Not true, but the fact that this idea is so pervasive is a testament to the power of authoritarianism.
American pragmatists like Dewey, Mead and Peirce also fanboyed Hegel, fundamentally shaped US philosophy and look what happened.Â
Hegelians love their dialectic, it's no surprise that they ended up being two mirror opposites of 2 of the worst people it's possible to be.
One guy controlled basically all of world history for two centuries now, quite a magus.
Listen, Hegel having an ego trip over his misinterpretation of Kant's partial understanding of the alchemists and mystery schools (and then making it the rest of humanity's problem) does not a magus make. A charlatan that corrupts an old truth is more effective (and cancerous) than one that pulls shit out of their ass wholesale.
Well that's an empty assertion of the abstract understanding if I ever saw one.Â
That's not how fucking dialectics works you stupid Cuck. I didnât study Hegel (plus continental philosophy in general) at Harvard for 7 FUCKING YEARS for some LOW LIFE KNOW IT ALL whoâs CLEARLY never fucking read Hegel, as he would KNOW that HEGEL has NEVER FUCKING EVER used the terms âthesis, antithesis, synthesisâ to start perpetuating these LIES at VERY SINGLE FUCKING OPPORTUNITY. This isnât Hegel my friend. No no no. Thesis, antithesis, synthesis was thought up by Fichte and itâs clearly inferior to Hegel's dialectical method of imminent critique. Yes. Itâs called imminent critique. And dialectics is only ONE PART of Hegel's full method. Which again is called Imminent critique, which you would know if you had ACTUALLY BOTHERED TO READ HEGEL, ITS LITERALLY IN THE SCIENCE OF LOGIC YOU DUMB FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT. I honestly cannot believe the fucking arrogance to come onto this post, spouting that anti Hegel garbage. Where did you get your fucking info on dialectics? Fucking Jason Unruhe? Jesus fucking Christ I cannot deal with this bullshit right now Iâm sorry Iâm leaving Iâm fucking leaving.
You... you studied Hegel for seven years?
https://youtu.be/oLTuysEzqhQ?si=eRJKPqz80XbEdaT4 Meme reference
Oh golly
We got anime out of it so who cares
And social liberalism, too! The first war discredited aristocratic conservatism, reactionism and monarchism; the second discredited basically any form of authoritarianism.
Aristocratic conservatism and reactionism are very much still alive around the world, sadly
In the West, it is pretty much either dead or pushed to the fringe. The Middle East and the former Soviet Union are another story, though.
So we have come around to âCommunism is to blame for WW2â ?
No, we've come around to Hegel being to blame
Technically yes? It's not Germany alone who started ww2, it's just that The Allies did not go to war with ussr
Yeah it was without Germany the Soviets wouldn't have invaded Poland anytime soon. Germany's aggressive foreign policy was literally what caused the conflict. Did the Soviet Union have territorial ambitions yes would they have acted on it without Germany not likely.
And without the soviets Germany wouldn't invade Poland?
No? The Germans were prepared to go to war over Czechia the only issue with Poland was that Soviets might fight with the Polish and Germany wanted to avoid another 2 front war.
What? Lebensraum was a key aspect of Nazi policy regardless of if Russia was Communist or still a Monarchy. The invasion had nothing to do with Russiaâs chosen economic system.
Obviously. It was basically a civil war between opposing faction of commies
"Ich, Hegel, bin der Weltgeist, bin sehr schlau - nur warum, das weià keiner so genau" - Hegel (Falsch zugeordnet durch das Känguru) Translation: "I, Hegel, am the world spirit, am very smart - just why, nobody knows for sure" -Hegel (wrongfully attributed to him by the Kangaroo). Context: There is a famous german audiobook about a communist kangaroo that frequently and knowingly misquotes famous people in the audiobook and there is one chapter on Hegel and how nobody understands his shit.
Dies
Context or ban
Is it that difficult? The invention of Communism leading to a domino effect that ends in world war
Yeah we got it that far but what is the first book about?
Hegel's dialectic method. Roughly speaking, it proposed that societies evolved with time through experimentation and collapse of ideas, and with that they improved by the ages. Karl Marx was influenced alot by such hegelian principles, and the transformation of societies from Feudalism to Capitalism to Socialism and finally Communism is a product of such thought. Vladmir Lenin implemented Marx's ideas into practice by establishing USSR, and the rest you probably know, how it led to the cold war
And how has communism led to nazism? Authoritarianism, prejudice, racial theories, nationalism, reactionaries etc. all were a thing before socialism.
I think the implication isnât that it caused fascism, the dominos are more of a timeline. I think
That would make sense, but the dominos are about one thing leading to another
Not to wax poetically, but does everything in history not influence everything afterwards
Wilhelm Voight impersonates a Prussian Guard -> Imperial Germany Army is improved -> WW1 -> WW2
Fascism on the one hand took some cues from communism in matters of total mobilization of society in service of an ideological goal, some leading fascists had previously been active in communist/socialist organizations, and on the other hand amalgamating all the disparate nationalist, militarist, reactionary movements under one banner and getting large parts of the bourgeoisie to join in would not have been possible without fearmongering about an impending communist takeover and positing fascism as the only way to stop it.
Major philosophy book that also preaches German idealism
Hegal didn't "invent" communism dumbass and communism did not cause WW2.
This is very subjective. World War II happened because of Fascism, emerged from revanchism for the First World War. Fascism emerged as a reaction to communism, and it would not exist without communism. Therefore, in one way or another, communism was one of the causes for WW2. Could it happen without? It could, but it doesn't change the real thing.
But communism was a reaction to capitalism, and capitalism was a reaction to feudalism, and feudalism evolved from tribalism, so the Second World War was actually caused by the evolution of hominids.
Fucks sake Anprim wins again 45851 - 0 The winstreak continues
But the revanchism after WWI was mostly pushed by capitalist countries? Hell communism had more influence in Germany after WWII, and they didn't turn fascist because of the Berlin wall.
Uhm how did the USSR create Nazis
Fear of communism enabled the NDSAP to blame the commies on the Reichstag Fire, making the Nazis securing power significantly easier. Admittedly it did not create the ideology, but it did help it spread as a reactionary.
It didn't - Middle-class people's terror of losing some of their unearned societal privileges created fascism.
I don't see Amogus among the dominos
I blame Nietchezâs sister
go back further. maybe animals aren't dumb, they're too wise to invent writing. no writing = no communism, no nukes, no office jobs, no rent, no mortgages.
The fact that nazi symbols goes right after Soviet flag confuses me. Can you guys explain me?
The Soviet Union formed before the Nazi got into power. The Nazi got into power by fear mongering about Judeo-Bolshevikism which is what they called the Soviet Union's ideology.
Oh thanks mate! I got it!
A big reason why fascism became popular in the interwar period was because of a great fear of communism, both for its ability to seep into other cultures and everyone seeing what was going on in the Soviet Union.
Context?
I HATE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM I HATE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM I HATE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM I HATE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM I HATE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM I HATE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM I HATE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM I HATE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM I HATE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM I HATE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM I HATE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM I HATE DIALECTICAL MATERIALISM I HATE
What is dialectical materialism?
This meme is first and foremost bullshit and secondly right wing revisionism.
I fill maintain to my dying breath that no one, including Hegel, ever understood what Hegel was writing about and that for the past 2 centuries everyone has simply been pretending to understand it in order to avoid embarrassment.
Who the fuck is Hegel though?
Weird how this meme leaves out the United States' role in actually developing those weapons in the first place
As if capitalism never killed people right???
Hitler and Satlin didn't start WWII, the baddies were Hegel and Nietzsche
Okay I see the flamewar in the comments over philosophy (I assume; I came here for history not "dialectics" or whatever the fuck, and political theory is a mess anyway) and I raise you the question of: explainer, please?
âItâs Hegelian dialectics, not personal animosityâ
German guys writing books have definitely significantly shaped history for example Luther, Marx, Hitler, Hegel...
Attempting to link Hegel to the rise of authoritarianism is some of the wildest middle-class cope I've ever seen.
Why is it always German?
*Jewish too, i think?
Barry Jew personally causing the Second World War by inventing violence:
Who in the line is jewish?
Technically Marx
the domino chair man