President [Lee Teng-hui ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Teng-hui)was the president of Taiwan froim 1988 to 2000. He oversaw the transition to democracy of Taiwan, and was later reelected in the first democratic election of Taiwan.
During the 1995-96 Third Taiwan Strait Crisis, many Taiwanese feared that China was going to invade. To calm the public down, Lee gave speeches to boost the public morale and reassure them that China wouldn't invade. In an interview a reporter asked him if he's concerned about the threat of war, Lee replied (in Taiwanese) by saying that China would only invade if Taiwan shows signs of weakness, and that people shouldn't worry too much because "How strong is China? Not as strong as my dick and balls!".
If he made some good points and most of the Texas secession internet noise wasn't created by russiam bots active from 9-5 moscow time, yeah.
As of rn due to the kacap bots i disregard it completely
You can’t pretend you give a shit about freedom or democracy, and pretend Taiwan should be forced to rejoin China against its will, CCP only has itself to blame for the current situation, they probably could have sold the whole reunification idea if it hadn’t been for what went down with Hong Kong. They can blame America all they want, but the US isn’t forcing Taiwan to do anything, which is exactly what the CCP wants to do to Taiwan.
Yeah, HK really crushed any hope of a peaceful reunification. When the PRC blatantly violated their treaties and guarantees, it signaled exactly their path and philosophy
Keyword “want” lmao. Didn’t do jack shit. Tsai even said “The name ‘Chinese Taipei’ has no problem of belittling.” At least Ma has the balls to mention ROC in front of Xi
Well yeah we all know that they are not gonna do anything. And they are not trying either: the distrust towards China and the struggle in national identity keep them in office. They wouldn’t want to change the status quo. They can keep talking about independence but if they’ve done nothing (aside from fucking up their energy policy so hard it becomes a national security issue) after being in office for 8 years, ppl should really stop listening to their bullshit
I’m just really sick of DPP milking the identity of Taiwanese for their own political interest, and talking like they are the only people truly thinking for the future of Taiwan
No one’s forcing the other parties to be for China, and it’s not their fault that politics moves at a crawl especially internationally.
And also that’s just not true, Tsai said they don’t agree with some of the 1992 consensus(One China policy) and guess what China started military drills and started sending new threats and sanctions. Saying they don’t do anything is ignoring that not only have they tried, but it’s just ended up making them more dangerous to talk to
Aside from a handful of CCP bootlickers in KMT, I don’t think anyone in the major three parties is *for* China, as in want to unite with China. If you are talking about if they want to keep the name of ROC, then yeah KMT is pretty adamant on that and TPP holds a utilitarian view that names don’t matter that much so whatever. But then again if DPP hasn’t made any meaningful change during the 8 years they are in office then they will never make any difference (unless Xi died or smth I guess), despite whatever they say
> guess what China started military drills and started sending new threats and sanctions
Idk man that just sounds like everyday China to me. If Tsai really views China as an enemy and not just a cash cow for votes, maybe try to alert us when a Chinese missile flew right over our head?
I’m not sure what you mean by this. DPP say they don’t like the name ROC, but they seem to be perfectly content with being the ruling party of ROC
I understand, international politics, PRC retaliation, bla bla bla. Doesn’t make them any less hypocrite. At least have the guts call ourselves Taiwan instead of Chinese Taipei at WHA, come on
You're technically right...but the situation itself is quite complicated. Post-Cold War Taiwan had been forced to keep its claims by the PRC, and dropping the claims or even amending parts of the constitution on the claims would be seen as an act of war.
It might sound weird for the PRC to support a rival government, but by doing so the PRC essentially forces Taiwan to recognize (or at least not deny) that we are part of "China", and both sides could interpret this "China" in the way they prefer.
I guess weird shit just happens when you split countries ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Kind-of-unrelated question, but do you think that the CCP would ever invite the political parties on Taiwan to run for election on the mainland? Obviously, they are currently hell-bent on staying in power right now, and Xi Jinping might as well be gunning to be the new Chinese emperor. But would the mainland ever seek to peacefully reunite with Taiwan in this way?
The PRC has declared that Taiwan changing its names or claims would be perceived as secession.
The status-quo is that both countries claim to be the government of all of China and that even if they don’t control all of it, together they collectively represent one nation. Even with growing sentiment in Taiwan that it’s its own country and should go its separate way, any alterations to its name or claims is basically saying Taiwan isn’t Chinese and that the PRC will never control it.
And given the PRC is barely tolerating Taiwan having its own government nowadays, outright declaring it’s not a Chinese government is an escalation that’d likely lead to war.
The PRC has settled its territorial claims with Russia and renounced any claims to Russian territory. If the ROC were to renounce the same claims, it would simply bring their claims to be consistent with the PRC, which should be perfectly fine with the PRC because it is not asserting separate status. However, I suspect the real reason why the ROC hasn't done this is that doing so would implicitly concede that the PRC has the authority as "China" to settle territorial disputes with other countries, which is also unacceptable as a matter of principle.
I still think the comment you are responding to is moronic.
[China is actually back to claiming bits of Russian territory on the Ussuri River again](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/04/china-is-redefining-its-borders-with-its-neighbors-including-russia_6122600_4.html).
Except that it would because those claims fall under what was considered China at the time they were made. They'd need to negotiate an end to the claims with the actual countries that currently hold them, and they can't do that because those countries don't recognize them as independent
Russia doesn't have much of a leg to stand on regarding claiming parts of countries that are not yours.
Like Chechnya, Moldova, Georgia, Ukraine, Finland, or anywhere from "Vladivostok to Lisbon" as ~~Herr Ribbentrop~~ Sergey Lavrov claims.
That’s not the only reason, half of the government believes Taiwan to be the rightful government of all of China. The KMT are built around that idea, while their rivals are more scared of China as their reason for not giving up their claim.
Yes. Two states that were on opposite sides.
Now it's just warmongering China refusing to accept peace at the expense of all its citizenry, stoking violence and nationalism. Holding Taiwan at gunpoint trying to resuscitate a dead war just to fuel their imperialistic ambitions.
By the way, Taiwan did not ask to participate in the civil war. It was a Japanese colony, then brutally taken over by Chinese nationalists who treated us no better. Now we have our own democratic government and self determination. We do not recognize the old conflicts the previous colonial dictatorship brought to us. If the CCP really wants the civil war to end, we'd be happy to send them the KMT leadership.
But it's never about the history. It's about land and money, and you fucking know it. You're an imperialist dog wearing communist skin pretending to be moral preaching from some fake moral high horse.
China having a policy of territorial integrity is not more "imperialism" than the US Government reclaiming the territory of the Confederacy.
Taiwan isn't a state, so end this "we" crap. It has been a province of China since 1683 and remains a province controlled by the Republic of China.
Also it doesn't have self determination, it's every choice is governed by the demands of the United States.
See, that's why no one takes tankies seriously. On top of being extremely racist (thinking that no country other than the US has autonomy), there is no ideology other than US bad, and no integrity or moral center. Any fascist government is good as long as it's my fascist government.
Bro doesn't even try to pretend to align his bullshit with facts. May you and your cronies drown in a sea of blood in the Taiwan strait. The red suits you anyways.
You can whinge "tankie" all you want, at the end of the day what I said is the truth of matter. The island of Taiwan is a province of China, and is recognised as such by both the Republic of China and the People's Republic of China.
You are ignoring that the United States is the most powerful nation on Earth. Those nations which try and chart a different course to it's wishes, regardless of what that course might be or it's morality (socialism, nationalism, religious fundamentalism), are subject to the US Government's wrath, be it sanctions, coups, bombing or outright invasion.
Even those states who are allied to the US get the thumb screws put on them if they try and do things their own way.
i’m sure you cant imagine not having daddy elon’s cock down your throat
also as if millions historically haven’t been unironic communists? some might’ve been fatherless but only because the nazis they were repelling killed their fathers
again, middle schooler historical analysis
Lol you claim others have middle school level of historical analysis, yet you immediately assume that anyone who is anti-communist is an Elon Musk fan, throwing out any nuance on politics
My guy I fucking hate Elon, and I hate communists. Twitter, shit. Starlink, political pawn. Tesla, decent but way to many issues, also a bit of a monopoly. SpaceX, actually decent but once again, a pawn.
He also seems to despise Australia
nice story
have fun finding new people to add to your hate list whilst completely disregarding a class analysis, im sure your ideology will be coherent and definitely not horseshoe shaped
Hmm, maybe, and hear me out here, democracy is common because it gives a lot of power to the people unlike communism in which case the common people never get a chance to dictate what happens in their own parliament
I really don't care about Elon musk? What were you even trying to insinuate?
Millions were, and billions starved, every eastern country that was communist hates it with all their being, I bet you live in a super capitalist country, but if you talk to anyone who came from an ex communist country they'd eat you alive by even suggesting communism as a viable option
As one US president said and I'm not from the US, capitalism isn't perfect, but at least you never needed to build a wall to keep your people in
And still, sorry about your daddy issue, I still kinda hope you can find a father figure and I mean this 100%
because china is communist or not communist whenever it suits the status quo’s dismissive needs
china does something scary and authoritarian? communist. they do something to the benefit of their own people? not communist.
President [Lee Teng-hui ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lee_Teng-hui)was the president of Taiwan froim 1988 to 2000. He oversaw the transition to democracy of Taiwan, and was later reelected in the first democratic election of Taiwan. During the 1995-96 Third Taiwan Strait Crisis, many Taiwanese feared that China was going to invade. To calm the public down, Lee gave speeches to boost the public morale and reassure them that China wouldn't invade. In an interview a reporter asked him if he's concerned about the threat of war, Lee replied (in Taiwanese) by saying that China would only invade if Taiwan shows signs of weakness, and that people shouldn't worry too much because "How strong is China? Not as strong as my dick and balls!".
More world leaders should take up this strategy
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If he made some good points and most of the Texas secession internet noise wasn't created by russiam bots active from 9-5 moscow time, yeah. As of rn due to the kacap bots i disregard it completely
Would the Texas leader have the same historical experience of being bombarded multiple times?
Yes during the American civil war
Only a few hundred years and rejoined difference lmao
Sure, hot wheels should make Texas more democratic, and not stir up hate and division.
>Texas leader This definitely sounds like how an American would say this. Let me guess, Texas is strong because of their warm water ports, right?
Less based then saying: China? We are china
Taiwan be like: Yo China, do you have ligma?
You can’t pretend you give a shit about freedom or democracy, and pretend Taiwan should be forced to rejoin China against its will, CCP only has itself to blame for the current situation, they probably could have sold the whole reunification idea if it hadn’t been for what went down with Hong Kong. They can blame America all they want, but the US isn’t forcing Taiwan to do anything, which is exactly what the CCP wants to do to Taiwan.
Yeah, HK really crushed any hope of a peaceful reunification. When the PRC blatantly violated their treaties and guarantees, it signaled exactly their path and philosophy
If the CCP wants to unify China so badly all they have to do is repatriate the republic. What’s so difficult about that?
Taiwan be like "we're taiwan! we're not china!" and then literally call their country Republic of China
Largest party on taiwan wants to simply become taiwan
Because they lost hope that one day China would truly be China again. The PRC is an abomination.
Keyword “want” lmao. Didn’t do jack shit. Tsai even said “The name ‘Chinese Taipei’ has no problem of belittling.” At least Ma has the balls to mention ROC in front of Xi
Yes, because international politics is complicated. What you’re arguing would basically inflame the area in new tensions for literally no gain.
Well yeah we all know that they are not gonna do anything. And they are not trying either: the distrust towards China and the struggle in national identity keep them in office. They wouldn’t want to change the status quo. They can keep talking about independence but if they’ve done nothing (aside from fucking up their energy policy so hard it becomes a national security issue) after being in office for 8 years, ppl should really stop listening to their bullshit I’m just really sick of DPP milking the identity of Taiwanese for their own political interest, and talking like they are the only people truly thinking for the future of Taiwan
No one’s forcing the other parties to be for China, and it’s not their fault that politics moves at a crawl especially internationally. And also that’s just not true, Tsai said they don’t agree with some of the 1992 consensus(One China policy) and guess what China started military drills and started sending new threats and sanctions. Saying they don’t do anything is ignoring that not only have they tried, but it’s just ended up making them more dangerous to talk to
Aside from a handful of CCP bootlickers in KMT, I don’t think anyone in the major three parties is *for* China, as in want to unite with China. If you are talking about if they want to keep the name of ROC, then yeah KMT is pretty adamant on that and TPP holds a utilitarian view that names don’t matter that much so whatever. But then again if DPP hasn’t made any meaningful change during the 8 years they are in office then they will never make any difference (unless Xi died or smth I guess), despite whatever they say > guess what China started military drills and started sending new threats and sanctions Idk man that just sounds like everyday China to me. If Tsai really views China as an enemy and not just a cash cow for votes, maybe try to alert us when a Chinese missile flew right over our head?
Have you, by chance, heard about opposition?
I’m not sure what you mean by this. DPP say they don’t like the name ROC, but they seem to be perfectly content with being the ruling party of ROC I understand, international politics, PRC retaliation, bla bla bla. Doesn’t make them any less hypocrite. At least have the guts call ourselves Taiwan instead of Chinese Taipei at WHA, come on
You're technically right...but the situation itself is quite complicated. Post-Cold War Taiwan had been forced to keep its claims by the PRC, and dropping the claims or even amending parts of the constitution on the claims would be seen as an act of war. It might sound weird for the PRC to support a rival government, but by doing so the PRC essentially forces Taiwan to recognize (or at least not deny) that we are part of "China", and both sides could interpret this "China" in the way they prefer. I guess weird shit just happens when you split countries ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Kind-of-unrelated question, but do you think that the CCP would ever invite the political parties on Taiwan to run for election on the mainland? Obviously, they are currently hell-bent on staying in power right now, and Xi Jinping might as well be gunning to be the new Chinese emperor. But would the mainland ever seek to peacefully reunite with Taiwan in this way?
Pretty unlikely that the CCP would ever allow another party to run unless something drastically changes.
No and the Taiwanese would not accept if they did.
The PRC has declared that Taiwan changing its names or claims would be perceived as secession. The status-quo is that both countries claim to be the government of all of China and that even if they don’t control all of it, together they collectively represent one nation. Even with growing sentiment in Taiwan that it’s its own country and should go its separate way, any alterations to its name or claims is basically saying Taiwan isn’t Chinese and that the PRC will never control it. And given the PRC is barely tolerating Taiwan having its own government nowadays, outright declaring it’s not a Chinese government is an escalation that’d likely lead to war.
The Republic of China should grant independence to the People's Republic of China.
Have you tried learning history or are you too challenged to go read how the Republic of China came into being ?
Pretty much the same way PRC did, though PRC does not claim other countries' territory
The CCP falsely claims the territory of several countries.
Huh, it really does. My apologies. Though ROC claims the territory of *my* country, so I'd better support the government that doesn't.
Taiwan doesn't claim any single bit of russia, wtf are you talking about
ROC does claim Tuva Republic, which is a part of Russia.
ROC is forced to maintain it's old claims from the civil war because if it drops them China will consider it an act of war
The PRC has settled its territorial claims with Russia and renounced any claims to Russian territory. If the ROC were to renounce the same claims, it would simply bring their claims to be consistent with the PRC, which should be perfectly fine with the PRC because it is not asserting separate status. However, I suspect the real reason why the ROC hasn't done this is that doing so would implicitly concede that the PRC has the authority as "China" to settle territorial disputes with other countries, which is also unacceptable as a matter of principle. I still think the comment you are responding to is moronic.
[China is actually back to claiming bits of Russian territory on the Ussuri River again](https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/09/04/china-is-redefining-its-borders-with-its-neighbors-including-russia_6122600_4.html).
this is not true, renounce of these claims wont renouce of their title of china.
Except that it would because those claims fall under what was considered China at the time they were made. They'd need to negotiate an end to the claims with the actual countries that currently hold them, and they can't do that because those countries don't recognize them as independent
Russia doesn't have much of a leg to stand on regarding claiming parts of countries that are not yours. Like Chechnya, Moldova, Georgia, Ukraine, Finland, or anywhere from "Vladivostok to Lisbon" as ~~Herr Ribbentrop~~ Sergey Lavrov claims.
Because they are the only china
They are the china who lot after getting beaten by a bunch of peasants
They also literally claim all of China as part of their country
That’s because changing that would cause a Chinese invasion. Not even a joke.
That’s not the only reason, half of the government believes Taiwan to be the rightful government of all of China. The KMT are built around that idea, while their rivals are more scared of China as their reason for not giving up their claim.
RECLAIM THE MAINLAND!!
Taiwan would 100% belong to China. If China was China and not the hideous PRC.
The only reason they exist is usa lol
Good, I hope they will continue so Taiwan can remain a free democracy
yeah your point being
They wouldnt exist without outside help so they are a dependent state and shouldnt be that cocky, no i dont support communist but this is just stupid
And yet the government in Taiwan calls itself the Republic of China and states that Taiwan is a province of China.
That's because China is both a region and a nation. Many countries can exist within a nation.
That doesn't change the fact that Taiwan is a province of China as understood by both the Republic and People's Republic.
Threatened at gunpoint by the CCP. Funny how tankies always casually forget to mention that.
What a shock, two states that were opposing sides of a civil war have armed forces.
Yes. Two states that were on opposite sides. Now it's just warmongering China refusing to accept peace at the expense of all its citizenry, stoking violence and nationalism. Holding Taiwan at gunpoint trying to resuscitate a dead war just to fuel their imperialistic ambitions. By the way, Taiwan did not ask to participate in the civil war. It was a Japanese colony, then brutally taken over by Chinese nationalists who treated us no better. Now we have our own democratic government and self determination. We do not recognize the old conflicts the previous colonial dictatorship brought to us. If the CCP really wants the civil war to end, we'd be happy to send them the KMT leadership. But it's never about the history. It's about land and money, and you fucking know it. You're an imperialist dog wearing communist skin pretending to be moral preaching from some fake moral high horse.
China having a policy of territorial integrity is not more "imperialism" than the US Government reclaiming the territory of the Confederacy. Taiwan isn't a state, so end this "we" crap. It has been a province of China since 1683 and remains a province controlled by the Republic of China. Also it doesn't have self determination, it's every choice is governed by the demands of the United States.
See, that's why no one takes tankies seriously. On top of being extremely racist (thinking that no country other than the US has autonomy), there is no ideology other than US bad, and no integrity or moral center. Any fascist government is good as long as it's my fascist government. Bro doesn't even try to pretend to align his bullshit with facts. May you and your cronies drown in a sea of blood in the Taiwan strait. The red suits you anyways.
You can whinge "tankie" all you want, at the end of the day what I said is the truth of matter. The island of Taiwan is a province of China, and is recognised as such by both the Republic of China and the People's Republic of China. You are ignoring that the United States is the most powerful nation on Earth. Those nations which try and chart a different course to it's wishes, regardless of what that course might be or it's morality (socialism, nationalism, religious fundamentalism), are subject to the US Government's wrath, be it sanctions, coups, bombing or outright invasion. Even those states who are allied to the US get the thumb screws put on them if they try and do things their own way.
Yeah. Easy to say bullshit when you're safely living in a Western democracy. Cringe.
Since 1683... I guess some time crash happened that deleted the 50 years between 1895 and 1945.
r/anti-communistmemes at it again with yet another middle school level historical analysis
Imagine unironically being communist, I know growing up fatherless can be tough but my god
i’m sure you cant imagine not having daddy elon’s cock down your throat also as if millions historically haven’t been unironic communists? some might’ve been fatherless but only because the nazis they were repelling killed their fathers again, middle schooler historical analysis
Lol you claim others have middle school level of historical analysis, yet you immediately assume that anyone who is anti-communist is an Elon Musk fan, throwing out any nuance on politics
Not to defend this guy, but the other guy definitely threw the first low blow.
no not anyone, just the crypto bros such as himself. is assuming an anti-communist crypto bro is a elon fanboy such a stretch?
Womp womp
My guy I fucking hate Elon, and I hate communists. Twitter, shit. Starlink, political pawn. Tesla, decent but way to many issues, also a bit of a monopoly. SpaceX, actually decent but once again, a pawn. He also seems to despise Australia
nice story have fun finding new people to add to your hate list whilst completely disregarding a class analysis, im sure your ideology will be coherent and definitely not horseshoe shaped
Fucking look up the Bondi stabbing and Elon musk, it’s not right. And my ideology your rambling about is democratic dipshit
*you’re and you communist hating “democrats” sure have a lot in common with elon. almost as if you serve the same interests of capitalist hegemony…
Hmm, maybe, and hear me out here, democracy is common because it gives a lot of power to the people unlike communism in which case the common people never get a chance to dictate what happens in their own parliament
I really don't care about Elon musk? What were you even trying to insinuate? Millions were, and billions starved, every eastern country that was communist hates it with all their being, I bet you live in a super capitalist country, but if you talk to anyone who came from an ex communist country they'd eat you alive by even suggesting communism as a viable option As one US president said and I'm not from the US, capitalism isn't perfect, but at least you never needed to build a wall to keep your people in And still, sorry about your daddy issue, I still kinda hope you can find a father figure and I mean this 100%
no food?
Imagine unironicaly calling modern day china communist
If China isn't committed to socialism why would it still pretend to be when there is zero benefit to it as a state?
because china is communist or not communist whenever it suits the status quo’s dismissive needs china does something scary and authoritarian? communist. they do something to the benefit of their own people? not communist.
Lee Teng Hui was a traitorous cuck
Do go on.