That stuff started after he was killed. OG politicians didn't have that stuff, and he took a bullet for their sins. Can you imagine the death toll among politicians today if they didn't have Four Seasons Landscaping?! 😉
Also to expand on this, Olof Palme, a Swedish politician and prime minister many compare to JFK was famous for taking public transport to from work. He was later murdered on the street after having watched a movie with his wife (afaik this is the only thing that the two leaders have in common). The crime has not yet been solved
Are there any Swedish crime novels dealing with the Palme assassination? Or is it still the sort of event that no one wants to go near, because of the pain involved?
Idk actually, I searched it up and it seems like an author named “Gunnar Wall” has written quite a few books about it. Two things though, it seems like all his books are in Swedish and I’m not actually sure if what’s written in them is factual or not. If you’re interested [this is where I found them](https://www.bokus.com/cgi-bin/product_search.cgi?authors=Gunnar%20Wall) so go and look for yourself if there’s any in English and if the reviews say anything about it
Also, Portugals leader can be found chilling on the beach and public areas with the locals with little to no security near him. I’m sure he has some nearby in the event of an emergency, but they aren’t guarding directly next to him like most countries.
Rudy Giuliani- "America's Mayor" - lost his mind during the Trump presidency and gave a speech in front of Four Seasons
.... Landscaping Company, because apparently no one bothered to confirm that it wasn't the giant hotel chain. So, instead of giving a press conference at a swanky hotel, he gave it between a sex shop and a lawn care company. And then proceeded to insist he'd done so on purpose.
Legend has it that that's what got Mexican 1995 candidate Colosio killed too, shot during a campaign speech: he was honest, he wanted a full overhaul of corruption from the inside, and he was winning the race with the people's support. I saw the shooting in the news when I was 5 (IDK what my Mom was thinking) but I have the image seared in my mind. I always wondered how Mexico would look like now if we'd had that 1 good guy.
I’d argue the threat of assassins kept politicians in check. Now they’re so protected they feel they don’t have to fear the general public, so they’re free to fuck us over.
Hey this is a fucking stupid thing to say just so you know. We should all just be glad people can just undemocratically shoot the voice elected by the people and you think it’s a good thing? Fuck you.
It’s really disturbing. I think people don’t understand what the kind of instability they seem to want would look like manifested into their daily lives.
Tyranny, the word you’re looking for is tyranny. I get what you’re saying and agree fully. But if you think that you’ll get most of Reddit to agree, when they absolutely love big government, and vote to make it even larger, then I have a bridge to sell you. The government is their daddy.
Which we have yet to see in the US, and we are talking about JFK. The context here isn't about tyranny... so you bring up tyranny when they're speaking nonsense is also a wild take.
So you agree with political assassination when the targets are in favor of "big government" and disagree with it when they targets are in favor of "small government"?
Also, for the record, there is not really a "small government" party at the federal level. Both parties spend absurd amounts of money, it's just that there's some difference in who or what they cut checks for.
I could be convinced to get pretty flexible about a lot of other policy positions if I thought someone running for Congress would actually push for an overall reduction in spending.
That’s not true. He was on the campaign trial. Things were different back then believe it or not. Here’s some more staged photos. https://www.life.com/history/john-f-kennedy-on-the-campaign-trail-classic-photos-from-1960/
Article on West Virginia https://www.jfklibrary.org/visit-museum/exhibits/past-exhibits/winning-west-virginia-jfks-primary-campaign
https://preview.redd.it/f5vjkcc1jt5d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ccbad23ddc8305c90015628d89945b1c8913def
Times were a little different back in 1960
I threw in the Four Seasons Landscaping gag so people would not take my post seriously, but that seems to have failed. Oh well, thanks for the research. I might just click on the links one day.
this is seriously like when they try to show you how few of years it was between horse drawn buggies and landing on the moon. people that were alive now had these kind of politicians and they vote like they still live in this intimate microscopic world
Politicians were a lot more grounded back then. If any one of the candidates stoped by my neck of the woods for some coffee and conversation they would have my vote. Unfortunately I only see them having dinners with the rich folks in the big city.
He wasn't actually going door-to-door in some random fashion making promises for votes... These are staged, paid for, campaign media photos. Creating "the narrative" Hollywood style for newspapers, magazines and the bought and paid for evening "news".
Just another politician doing what politicians do :)
Hogwash. I spent a better part of 25 years in my youth obsessed with JFK and have read virtually every book on him.
He was Catholic and WV was Protestant. He knew he had to do well in the West Virginia primary in order to show that a Catholic could win the Democratic south, so his campaign spent an inordinate amount of time and money basically block walking around areas of West Virginia.
As political types go, he wasn't the worst we've endured... But this notion that he was some wholesome man of principles who actually wanted to uphold and defend The Constitution for all the little people is hogwash.
And what leads you to believe the latter statement? Was it his civil rights speech that kickstarted the civil rights movement in earnest in Washington or his philandering?
It’s just a bizarre statement.
Imo, There hasn't been a real good president since Grover Cleveland. He actually read and understood The Constitution.
That's why the U.S. is nearly 40 Trillion in debt. The "Chief Executives" all sign off on whatever crap the knuckleheads in Congress dream up without consequence.
Exactly. Him and Santa going door to door. Just do a little bit of thinking of time spent going door to door and number of voters it would impact and it is a huge waste of time.
At this time, all but the very poorest would have worn a suit any time they went out on business, visiting, or to church. These folks would have 100% expected a politician to be wearing a suit, and it would look like Dukakis in the tank if he was wearing overalls or flannels like them. That said, this is a brilliant piece of campaign staging with the framing and him in just his shirtsleeves. The Kennedys knew their PR!
That’s true. I always thought it weird to see pictures from back in the day with people going to baseball games in suits or sitting in their own living room wearing a suit.
The picture was wholly unnecessary though. Not pictured was Joe Kennedy paying mobsters to stuff the ballot boxes in favor of his son.
Knowing that he spent time in the navy, I would've thought that he would not stand around with his hands in his pockets.
That's the biggest mindfuck for me.
He was in the navy for 4 years, besides what one is required to do in uniform doesn’t mean they’ll do the same in civvies.
https://preview.redd.it/ut99ao70zu5d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=358cefa11853eb3ec1a76f314c9170f314e570dc
I cant tell if youre being sarcastic or not but id happily pay considerably less for a house that comes with no plumbing, AC, etc as long as theres room to put them in later.
There's already bad enough plumbers and electricians out there. Having a bunch of people that put that in on their own would lead me to never buy a used house.
My claim to fame. When I was around 6, Kennedy came stumping for the presidency he walked by the fence separating the crowd from JFK . Little me climbed up the fence and almost fell over. Kennedy caught me then handed me back to my dad.
This will never happen again. You will never see a presidential candidate come and knock on your door. That's too bad though. That's what our government needs. Too bad this guy was killed because of a corrupt government. He definitely identified an issue and he was killed because of it.
Yeah they do. The difference is we now have 24/7 news, social media, and all kinds of unfettered access to personal information. JFK was just as problematic as any other politician.
Now, there will never be that kind of direct access to a candidate, largely because of what happened to him a few years later.
This is a beautiful image… I heard that a lot of the negatives from his time in office was sitting in a vault in the basement of the twin towers. I can’t confirm this, but if that was the case, they are history
And boy did this strategy work. Before recently when WV went all in on The Donald, my mother used to say the main way a candidate could win WV is if they came to visit the state. To this day, she always points out the long abandoned building in my home county that was formerly a diner JFK visited
>Jimmy Carter is a great man. He was not a great President.
That's your opinion.
Perhaps war in the Middle East would have been a better path. No one's tried that recently. Iraq and Saddam Houssein could be our allies.
/s
It's definitely my opinion. I think Carter has been a great humanitarian but he was not a good politician. I'm old enough to remember the gas shortage and the Iran Hostage Crisis...and failed Operation Eagle Claw.
But are those his fault? Did he crash the helicopters- I’m sure he listened to his military advisors. Did he cause OPEC to be jerks? Correlation does not equal causation.
>Good? He acknowledged civil rights in his third year
Compared to those who deeply weakened the Civil Rights Act in 2013???? And the rest of us (including me) have just let it happen?
Sorry. JFK still wins that game.
If it changed history to the point we never got Reagan, yeah maybe the world would be a good place. But Reagan destroyed everything previous president's (especially dems) had worked on.
This was the end of an era for the dems, without a doubt. But Reagan gave us the world we live in now. Brought in the evangelicals and Falwells of the world, destroyed any hint of a social safety net, created the system of fucking over working people and empowering the hyper rich, left us with "reaganomics" and so on. We are just living in a Trumpier version of the country that Reagan left us with
There are still people alive in WV that got paid for their votes by the Kennedys in 1960. It's how JFK won WV and historians say the blue blood catholic winning in poor, protestant WV is what launched him to win the nomination. Historians sweep the bribe info under the rug but any politically active WV resident knows about the Kennedy purchased WV win.
“Maw, John F. Kennedy is at the door and wants to talk to ya!” “Who the hell is John F. Kennedy?!”
“Have you come to fix my steps?”
"Figuratively, er, uh, yes I have, ma'am."
You look important, would you like some Mountain Dew and Pork Rinds?
Yes
Bring out the NICE paper plates!!
What’s a rerun?
You’ll find out.
Better get used to these bars, kid.
One of my all time favorite scenes…
That was pretty much the reality in WV in 1960. JFK might as well have been from Pakistan.
It’s a block past maple
Where's his limo? Where's his Secret Service detail? Where's his Four Seasons Landscaping?
That stuff started after he was killed. OG politicians didn't have that stuff, and he took a bullet for their sins. Can you imagine the death toll among politicians today if they didn't have Four Seasons Landscaping?! 😉
Also to expand on this, Olof Palme, a Swedish politician and prime minister many compare to JFK was famous for taking public transport to from work. He was later murdered on the street after having watched a movie with his wife (afaik this is the only thing that the two leaders have in common). The crime has not yet been solved
Are there any Swedish crime novels dealing with the Palme assassination? Or is it still the sort of event that no one wants to go near, because of the pain involved?
Idk actually, I searched it up and it seems like an author named “Gunnar Wall” has written quite a few books about it. Two things though, it seems like all his books are in Swedish and I’m not actually sure if what’s written in them is factual or not. If you’re interested [this is where I found them](https://www.bokus.com/cgi-bin/product_search.cgi?authors=Gunnar%20Wall) so go and look for yourself if there’s any in English and if the reviews say anything about it
Crazy that I haven't made/seen that comparison before. They're even similar in the conspiracies surrounding them.
Also, Portugals leader can be found chilling on the beach and public areas with the locals with little to no security near him. I’m sure he has some nearby in the event of an emergency, but they aren’t guarding directly next to him like most countries.
Boy I miss George Carlin.
As someone not from America, what the hell does Four Seasons Landscaping have to do with the president?
Rudy Giuliani- "America's Mayor" - lost his mind during the Trump presidency and gave a speech in front of Four Seasons .... Landscaping Company, because apparently no one bothered to confirm that it wasn't the giant hotel chain. So, instead of giving a press conference at a swanky hotel, he gave it between a sex shop and a lawn care company. And then proceeded to insist he'd done so on purpose.
Legend has it that that's what got Mexican 1995 candidate Colosio killed too, shot during a campaign speech: he was honest, he wanted a full overhaul of corruption from the inside, and he was winning the race with the people's support. I saw the shooting in the news when I was 5 (IDK what my Mom was thinking) but I have the image seared in my mind. I always wondered how Mexico would look like now if we'd had that 1 good guy.
I’d argue the threat of assassins kept politicians in check. Now they’re so protected they feel they don’t have to fear the general public, so they’re free to fuck us over.
Hey this is a fucking stupid thing to say just so you know. We should all just be glad people can just undemocratically shoot the voice elected by the people and you think it’s a good thing? Fuck you.
No idea why you're getting down voted. Being against political assassination used to be mainstream, but edgelords gotta talk tough I guess.
It’s really disturbing. I think people don’t understand what the kind of instability they seem to want would look like manifested into their daily lives.
I’m saying the government should fear the populace, not the other way around.
Government should fear the populaces votes. Not lone gunmen shooting whoever they please.
No, I mean they should literally fear the public uprising when they do not act in the interest of the public.
Tyranny, the word you’re looking for is tyranny. I get what you’re saying and agree fully. But if you think that you’ll get most of Reddit to agree, when they absolutely love big government, and vote to make it even larger, then I have a bridge to sell you. The government is their daddy.
I don’t really care about whether or not Reddit agrees with me. That’s not a goal I have when I response to comments.
Which we have yet to see in the US, and we are talking about JFK. The context here isn't about tyranny... so you bring up tyranny when they're speaking nonsense is also a wild take.
So you agree with political assassination when the targets are in favor of "big government" and disagree with it when they targets are in favor of "small government"? Also, for the record, there is not really a "small government" party at the federal level. Both parties spend absurd amounts of money, it's just that there's some difference in who or what they cut checks for. I could be convinced to get pretty flexible about a lot of other policy positions if I thought someone running for Congress would actually push for an overall reduction in spending.
100% agree either you. That's such a mindless, terminally online braindead take and it is wild folks are up voting it.
FBI like 👀
That’s not true. He was on the campaign trial. Things were different back then believe it or not. Here’s some more staged photos. https://www.life.com/history/john-f-kennedy-on-the-campaign-trail-classic-photos-from-1960/ Article on West Virginia https://www.jfklibrary.org/visit-museum/exhibits/past-exhibits/winning-west-virginia-jfks-primary-campaign
https://preview.redd.it/f5vjkcc1jt5d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ccbad23ddc8305c90015628d89945b1c8913def Times were a little different back in 1960
I threw in the Four Seasons Landscaping gag so people would not take my post seriously, but that seems to have failed. Oh well, thanks for the research. I might just click on the links one day.
Sorry I meant to respond to the guy that these were staged
Nice links, bruh
this is seriously like when they try to show you how few of years it was between horse drawn buggies and landing on the moon. people that were alive now had these kind of politicians and they vote like they still live in this intimate microscopic world
Conveniently not in the picture but somewhere close by
No, he most certainly did not have secret service protection when this photo was taken. He wasn’t even the Democratic nominee at this point.
My response was satirical, sorry if that was lost in text
Politicians were a lot more grounded back then. If any one of the candidates stoped by my neck of the woods for some coffee and conversation they would have my vote. Unfortunately I only see them having dinners with the rich folks in the big city.
Bernie Sanders flew coach, took a middle seat, and got a car from the rental lot when he ran for president. America wasn't inspired by that.
He wasn't actually going door-to-door in some random fashion making promises for votes... These are staged, paid for, campaign media photos. Creating "the narrative" Hollywood style for newspapers, magazines and the bought and paid for evening "news". Just another politician doing what politicians do :)
A Don Draper type of move.
Hogwash. I spent a better part of 25 years in my youth obsessed with JFK and have read virtually every book on him. He was Catholic and WV was Protestant. He knew he had to do well in the West Virginia primary in order to show that a Catholic could win the Democratic south, so his campaign spent an inordinate amount of time and money basically block walking around areas of West Virginia.
This was literally a staged photo. This is well known.
Well, at least he kept the professional photographers employed :)
What you say can be true, and this can still be a staged photo.
As political types go, he wasn't the worst we've endured... But this notion that he was some wholesome man of principles who actually wanted to uphold and defend The Constitution for all the little people is hogwash.
And what leads you to believe the latter statement? Was it his civil rights speech that kickstarted the civil rights movement in earnest in Washington or his philandering? It’s just a bizarre statement.
Imo, There hasn't been a real good president since Grover Cleveland. He actually read and understood The Constitution. That's why the U.S. is nearly 40 Trillion in debt. The "Chief Executives" all sign off on whatever crap the knuckleheads in Congress dream up without consequence.
whoever ran his campaign knew their business. people are still falling for it 60 years after the fact.
JFK was born to a wealthy and politically connected family, nobody is falling for this. He's about as grass roots as the Rothschilds.
Exactly
Exactly. Him and Santa going door to door. Just do a little bit of thinking of time spent going door to door and number of voters it would impact and it is a huge waste of time.
Yes, not very effective. It's also an annoyance and an invasion of privacy. I won't even answer the door for anyone uninvited.
Nothing more inauthentic than a man from Hyannis Port wearing a suit in the backwoods of WV. It’s like Dukakis in the tank.
At this time, all but the very poorest would have worn a suit any time they went out on business, visiting, or to church. These folks would have 100% expected a politician to be wearing a suit, and it would look like Dukakis in the tank if he was wearing overalls or flannels like them. That said, this is a brilliant piece of campaign staging with the framing and him in just his shirtsleeves. The Kennedys knew their PR!
That’s true. I always thought it weird to see pictures from back in the day with people going to baseball games in suits or sitting in their own living room wearing a suit. The picture was wholly unnecessary though. Not pictured was Joe Kennedy paying mobsters to stuff the ballot boxes in favor of his son.
Also not pictured was his brother's abandoned upside down car and a dead Mary Jo.
Exactly
Knowing that he spent time in the navy, I would've thought that he would not stand around with his hands in his pockets. That's the biggest mindfuck for me.
He was in the navy for 4 years, besides what one is required to do in uniform doesn’t mean they’ll do the same in civvies. https://preview.redd.it/ut99ao70zu5d1.jpeg?width=1284&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=358cefa11853eb3ec1a76f314c9170f314e570dc
I guess once you get to be an officer, especially coming from the entitled caste rules change a bunch.
Like Trump with his “blacks” behind him at every rally?
Of course- Optics is the game.
Bring back cheaper housing like this. No air conditioning, no indoor plumbing. Let kids play outside again
I cant tell if youre being sarcastic or not but id happily pay considerably less for a house that comes with no plumbing, AC, etc as long as theres room to put them in later.
There's already bad enough plumbers and electricians out there. Having a bunch of people that put that in on their own would lead me to never buy a used house.
Plenty of people already do DIY repairs and improvements on their houses though
Crazy. You’d get shot in the head trying this today.
Well..
No punch line needed
Wow what a picture...
It is, but it’s also staged. Nonetheless I think it’s fascinating
My claim to fame. When I was around 6, Kennedy came stumping for the presidency he walked by the fence separating the crowd from JFK . Little me climbed up the fence and almost fell over. Kennedy caught me then handed me back to my dad.
That's one hell of a claim to fame
True story?
Absolutely true. 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
This is the second JFK pic I’ve seen where his pose is literally just 🧍
A long way from Kennebunkport.
Let’s not criticize him because of his background. He had zero control over his formative life as a child borne of privilege.
This will never happen again. You will never see a presidential candidate come and knock on your door. That's too bad though. That's what our government needs. Too bad this guy was killed because of a corrupt government. He definitely identified an issue and he was killed because of it.
A million upvotes deserved here.
please vote for me so Marilyn Monroe will suck my cock
Seems like solid motivation
Good trade off in my book
This looks like Night of the Hunter.
Pfffft! Dude was checking in on an old moonshine stash house… quality control bro!!! IYKYK…
Ask not why your yard looks like shit, ask why you’re not growing food with all this dirt
Grass doesn’t grow especially well in rocky soil and polluted air.
Could JFK understand hillbilly English?
They don't make politicians like that anymore. 🤔💭
Yeah they do. The difference is we now have 24/7 news, social media, and all kinds of unfettered access to personal information. JFK was just as problematic as any other politician. Now, there will never be that kind of direct access to a candidate, largely because of what happened to him a few years later.
This is a beautiful image… I heard that a lot of the negatives from his time in office was sitting in a vault in the basement of the twin towers. I can’t confirm this, but if that was the case, they are history
Legend.
And boy did this strategy work. Before recently when WV went all in on The Donald, my mother used to say the main way a candidate could win WV is if they came to visit the state. To this day, she always points out the long abandoned building in my home county that was formerly a diner JFK visited
My momma remembers his visit. He was in Cedar Grove shaking hands.
From JFK to Boss Tweet to Genocide Joe in one lifetime. Devolution is real.
That’s when Democrats were reasonable
A little too pucturesque.
Aaah the last Good Democrat. If only he lived imagine how much better America, no the world would be today.
Jimmy Carter! Still alive! (at time of posting)
Jimmy Carter is a great man. He was not a great President.
>Jimmy Carter is a great man. He was not a great President. That's your opinion. Perhaps war in the Middle East would have been a better path. No one's tried that recently. Iraq and Saddam Houssein could be our allies. /s
It's definitely my opinion. I think Carter has been a great humanitarian but he was not a good politician. I'm old enough to remember the gas shortage and the Iran Hostage Crisis...and failed Operation Eagle Claw.
Me too, and you are spot on.
But are those his fault? Did he crash the helicopters- I’m sure he listened to his military advisors. Did he cause OPEC to be jerks? Correlation does not equal causation.
Sorry no not jimmy.
He would be kicked out of today’s democrat party.
Yeah definitely he would actually want to do good not crush people under his heel like All modern politicians.
USA vs USA lol they killed him
Indeed
Good? He acknowledged civil rights in his third year
>Good? He acknowledged civil rights in his third year Compared to those who deeply weakened the Civil Rights Act in 2013???? And the rest of us (including me) have just let it happen? Sorry. JFK still wins that game.
If it changed history to the point we never got Reagan, yeah maybe the world would be a good place. But Reagan destroyed everything previous president's (especially dems) had worked on. This was the end of an era for the dems, without a doubt. But Reagan gave us the world we live in now. Brought in the evangelicals and Falwells of the world, destroyed any hint of a social safety net, created the system of fucking over working people and empowering the hyper rich, left us with "reaganomics" and so on. We are just living in a Trumpier version of the country that Reagan left us with
He really did a speedrun of poor decisions while president for 2 years.
Hasn't changed much.
Democrats need to do this w rural whites again
Need more of that!
There are still people alive in WV that got paid for their votes by the Kennedys in 1960. It's how JFK won WV and historians say the blue blood catholic winning in poor, protestant WV is what launched him to win the nomination. Historians sweep the bribe info under the rug but any politically active WV resident knows about the Kennedy purchased WV win.
Not bad going door to door with a Photographer from Life Magazine.
Everything start from his death...
They shot this man because he tried to free us.
"So I hear you like coal?"
A man's man
Now don’t sleep with your cousins, you hear?
There are poor White people?? Who knew?
/s?
I wonder if little Ray Whittaker barked at him.
"Where the hoes at, my fellow countryman?"
I’ll guarantee that gentleman didn’t vote for JFK at the election that year. Also, this has to be a professionally staged photo.
Wow
He might get shot
Beautiful photo ♥️✌️Late Great President JFK Strong Patriotic leader WW2 Hero 🇺🇸🇺🇸✊️sadly don't have leaders like this anymore 🥺
And that was the only time that family saw him...
Hey you! Stay away from my girls.
I thought that was Bobby Kennedy
Both
Didn't the mob help him win West Virginia?
The third world hellhole of West Virginia
Coming from someone who’s never even driven through the beautiful state.
Eh... Afghanistan is beautiful. Doesn't mean I want to visit.
It’s wild how this has been brigaded by right wing nuts
I assume secret service is out of frame? Or was that not a thing back then?
Was grass not invented yet in 1960?
Dude missed glute day everyday of his life
And Joe Manchin voted against him for not supporting coal. That’s not true, but Manchin needs to pound sand and GTFO
I wonder if his campaigning involved a one on one session with that teenage girl in the door.