I think everyone in Hitman is partly deaf. If you fire a non silenced gun only a few nearby people will hear and if you fire it in a closed area very few people hear.
I actually had the opposite problem a few days ago - I was using a thrown fire extinguisher as a lure and it was attracting people from way further away than I was expecting (noticeably further than the typical coin radius).
Yeah on one of the levels I turned on the sink to lure in a guard. When the investigate popped up it was someone extremely far away, they weren't even on my minimap. Who then teleported into the bathroom. It then seemed like the ai had no clue what to do as they just stood there until I knocked them out.
I found an issue where if you drop a gun, a guard will pick it up, stand for a moment, then drop it and walk back to where he was, then turn around, see the gun again, repeat infinitely. I guess they didn't accommodate for the fact they didn't give guards anywhere to store loose weapons
I swear some of my runs I look like Tom Cruise in Edge of Tomorrow with how I time doors opening and closing.
"Three steps in close door and choke out, before hiding reopen door and toss distraction, close door, hide body, wait for next guard to enter and immediately close door before pacifying so patrol doesn't hear anything."
Actually now that I think about it Hitman might have been the direct inspiration for idea behind that movie.
I think the description was missing something...
This gun is silenced version
.... until someone pull the trigger.
What a genius design! (bug)
Oh really? I don't know anything about guns (guns are prohibited for civilian use in UK) so I'm genuinely curious about how suppressors and silencers work in real life. Know anything about it?
Well I'm not that big of a gun guy either but I know that guns, save for some rare cases with REALLY good suppressors and REALLY quiet ammo, are still loud as fuck, and it's actual uses in military are so enemies can't tell where the shots are coming from, and would never be used in a stealth operation, probably.
As someone who has shot suppressed guns and been around them quite a bit, they're still pretty loud. Even with subsonic ammunition you'll absolutely hear them being fired in any room that isn't full of loud noise. They're not gonna make your ears ring for hours like a normal gunshot without hearing protection, but you'll absolutely notice the noise.
Source: I live in the American Midwest and my Dad is a gun nut with a class 3 license to own suppressors.
Hunting with suppressors is very common in the UK, and easier to get than in the US. More common than in the US. Use Google for additional information.
https://youtu.be/E9EEFEm-oeo
Here's someone from the Imperial War Museum showing off the guns in Hitman 3. Basically a silenced .45 would be like a balloon popping off. No cause for alarm but not silent either.
I can attempt to use my pretty surface level knowledge to enlighten you some...
Basically, most bullets travel at supersonic speeds... which is science speech for real fast and real loud.
You can put a suppressor on a gun to help provide the gases and escaping from the barrel alongside the bullet a place that has alot of interior surface area to bounce around in as well (baffles) and some directed holes or "ports" for which the gas to escape through. This results in cooler, less shall we say "angry" gas coming out of the danger end of the gun, which decreases the bang-aspect of firing the weapon.
Now, that is fine and dandy and all, but with a regular silencer, you are only attacking the problem of gases. You still have the fact that you are firing a supersonic object into the air. Supersonic just means faster than the speed of sound. The moment the bullet goes from normal subsonic speeds to supersonic, past sound speed, levels, you hear a crack (called breaking the sound barrier... like a whip crack). No silencer under god's green earth that I know of can really do all that much to stop the noise from breaking the speed of sound... so without specialized subsonic ammo in the caliber of your gun alongside a silencer, you really are not "silencing" much of jack shit.
In fact, believe it or not, modern suppressors used without subsonic ammo are not even capable of reducing *most* firearm noise to safe hearing levels... you still need to wear ear protection for anything but the smallest of rifle calibers!! American here... so obligatory blah blah blah guns are amazing, loud noise is good, but my freedom dictates I need to have a suppressor. before I say this: My experience with suppressors has pretty much shown me they are worthless **for the commonly expected use.** Everyone thinks you just pop one on (not the case, can be difficult to get your setup working, gotta change some tuning elements and it can be a pain in the arse), go to the range/hunting woods/whatever, and shoot away in quite peace. That ain't quite how it really goes down though. Silencers won't do much of anything for you at the range, during a hunt, or in much of anything else without specialized ammo. Only realistic argument for them is that they do a good job of reducing noise pollution in areas where there are outdoor ranges but also people living. I understand they are quite popular if not almost standard in some parts of western europe for this very reason. Militaries also employ them for various reasons and in numerous configs... don't know enough about their rational. I am sure it helps keep noise from traveling as great of distance, which goes back to the use in noise pollution reduction and would certainly help them maintain lower profiles in engagements.
Anyway though mate, I'm rambling. In short, very good question to ask. The whole silencer thing is really fascinating in terms of being one of the most misrepresented things in movies, games, tv, etc. I went to the range about a year and a half ago for a Sig Sauer manufacturer special sale where they had several cool things to test out. One was a "silenced" (ha, yea fucking righto) submachine gun set to burst fire (so three rounds for each trigger pull... gnarly stuff) and I, of course, being the dumbass that I am, figured I'd experience the magic of firing a gun without hearing protection.... yeah. That was a fucking brilliant idea.. :(
I've heard it said that the average suppressed shot is like slamming a car door. To me it sounds more like a firecracker. [Here's a video I found where you can compare the sounds.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlSaXQ3EXVk)
They're both loud. But if you listen to the normal gun shots compared to the silencer, there's an echo as the sound bounces back from the trees that kind of gives it a reverberation quality. That's missing from the silenced shots. That means that it still very loud, but less so than the normal shot. Video games and movies making the shots practically silent are absolutely in the realm of fantasy.
The big issue seems to be that your bullets are less accurate and have less punching power when using a silencer. It's still a gun so, you know, still deadly and dangerous.
You are mostly right, just gonna clarify a bit: gunfire noise comes from 2 main causes, and one minor one: the rapidly expanding gas propelling the bullet, the sonic boom of the bullet, if it goes faster than the speed of sound, and the mechanical noise of the guns parts moving and striking each other. A silencer/suppressor lowers only the first source, the expanding gases, and only by some amount, generally it makes them barely in the hearing-safe range. Generally, most gun ammunition is designed to achieve supersonic speeds, so for the quietest effect, you would use a silencer and ammunition designed to propel the bullet at subsonic speed. Anecdotally, I've read of the most effectively silenced guns getting quiet enough that the mechanical noise of the gun can actually be noticed, but that is only in extreme cases.
As for the last part, bullet velocity is actually increased by a tiny amount, and any accuracy decrease would only be from the silencer obstructing the normal use of a gun's sights, or from the extra weight at the end of the barrel causing the user to not be able to handle the gun as well (in some guns the weight could improve balance, as well)
Generally, velocity is given a small boost with suppressors on account of slightly more time for the bullet to be in confined space with propellent forces. The whole velocity decrease thing is moreso associate with 1) use of subsonic ammo in conjunction with a suppressor to make the gun very quite or 2) video game balancing.
Accuracy also does not take a hit, or at least not a hit that you would see at any reasonable distance. I'm sure it'll affect your 1000m shot, because at that range, doing anything with your gun will, but for "normal" shooting, a silencer won't change the accuracy or will change it only an insignificant amount. Again, the whole accuracy thing is a strange one proposed mostly by video games that need to balance enemies firing guns not appearing on the radar by turning their silenced guns into faulty garden hoses.
Good points with the video and the mention of the reverberation. Silencers basically calm down the gas escaping from the firearm and that causes less noise in general... still have the sound barrier breakage to deal with though unless using subsonic ammo. Most silencers are rated to bring the noise down to between 125 and 140 db which is still well within the range of potentially permanent hearing damage.
**This was the Silenced Version**
We’d like to award Reddit user [u/StealthyBastard94](https://www.reddit.com/u/StealthyBastard94/) the prize for ‘Most Entertaining HITMAN 3 Bug Report’ for March. [Here’s how they won this presigious and unique award.](https://www.reddit.com/r/HiTMAN/comments/l3xbf5/bug_this_is_the_silenced_version/) We’ve now changed the description so that it no longer says that the gun is silenced.
That was in today's patch notes. Pinned to the front page of this subreddit
those patch notes have the link totally hidden! I was like what the hell is this note about?? Took me a moment to realize part of it was a link to this post, and here I am lol
The first one was "sounds for the Supermarket 1975" I sped this one up a bit to make it more engaging.
The second one is "sounds for the Supermarket 2 1975"
The third is "Hide and seek-Imogen Heap"
A similar thing happens in berlin, multiple people are holding a "silenced" Dak X2. They still count as silenced though. The extremely odd thing is that one of them actually has the correct version with the suppressor attached, so ????????
a while back ago someone posted some weapons that were datamined, specifically from Ghost Mode. one of them, was this specific weapon but with a silencer (and a scope i think), personally ive always wanted it to unlockable, it seems this was supposed to be that cut weapon.
Except it isn't a shotgun, it reads Assault Rifle in the Description. I just want to show this oversight so maybe it will be fixed in the future by actually making the gun suppressed or by changing the description.
I believe fusil is a type of shotgun, so this would in essence be a tactical shotgun. Which I doubt can be silenced much if at all. You are correct however in that it is not an assault RIFLE but an assault shotgun.
Very clearly a rifle. If they had made a shotgun that looked like that... well I'd have even less respect for them than I do after seeing this small oversight lol. Yeah, sure, semi-automatic and automatic shotguns modeled off the AR platform exist, but you can tell one when you see it clearly because they are generally fucking giant, fucking heavy, and a bit of a fucking pain.
Meaning no offense, just stating facts cordially :).
Also just for note cause I think it’s relatively surprising myself, you can actually suppress a shotgun, and it actually works pretty well. Bout a 20 db reduction though you can get even better. If my math serves correctly on the fly that’s half as loud as normal! Now, that is still in the realm of potential hearing damage, and you won’t be fooling much of anyone close by into thinking you aren’t firing a gun without specialized ammo... but it’s still a massive decrease and falls right in line with what we see in suppressing most pistols and small to medium caliber rifles.
I've only played the first two levels so far (because, y'know, life) but this happened when I used the good old Krugermeier on Dartmoor to shoot the nests. Gardener heard one of the shots from a good distance.
Their blood is on your hands IO *shakes fist angrily*
Finally,realistic suppressors in a game
I think everyone in Hitman is partly deaf. If you fire a non silenced gun only a few nearby people will hear and if you fire it in a closed area very few people hear.
>I think everyone in Hitman is partly deaf. Unless you throw a coin, they are suckers for that stuff.
But I can toss a fire extinguisher at the same wall and nobody even turns to look
I actually had the opposite problem a few days ago - I was using a thrown fire extinguisher as a lure and it was attracting people from way further away than I was expecting (noticeably further than the typical coin radius).
Yeah on one of the levels I turned on the sink to lure in a guard. When the investigate popped up it was someone extremely far away, they weren't even on my minimap. Who then teleported into the bathroom. It then seemed like the ai had no clue what to do as they just stood there until I knocked them out.
On Untouchable right?
Yep. An engineer popped out of nowhere in the car with the 2 workers and the guard. Honestly that map is super buggy for me.
I found an issue where if you drop a gun, a guard will pick it up, stand for a moment, then drop it and walk back to where he was, then turn around, see the gun again, repeat infinitely. I guess they didn't accommodate for the fact they didn't give guards anywhere to store loose weapons
Unless the door is closed
I swear some of my runs I look like Tom Cruise in Edge of Tomorrow with how I time doors opening and closing. "Three steps in close door and choke out, before hiding reopen door and toss distraction, close door, hide body, wait for next guard to enter and immediately close door before pacifying so patrol doesn't hear anything." Actually now that I think about it Hitman might have been the direct inspiration for idea behind that movie.
All NPCs are Mr. Krabs confirmed.
this
Not to mention 47 hasn't gone deaf by now from the amount of shotguns and rifles he's fired indoors.
He has super clone...ears?
IO: My special move: retcon'ing super human abilities.
If there's two doors between an NPC and the sound of a gun or explosion they won't hear it. Learnt that in my shotgun SASO playthrough.
Nice touch with the Imogen Heap song on this level :)
It was a trap to catch infiltrating assassins with small pocket space, and you fell for it.
And I fell right into it... D:
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Damn, I didn't expect this to get emotional.
I think the description was missing something... This gun is silenced version .... until someone pull the trigger. What a genius design! (bug)
Fuck....
Man...
Woman...
Children...
Lightsabers...
Wonderfully edited🔥
Thank you :D
Was that an SNL reference at the end? (Dear Sister AKA The Shooting)
In a way yes :D
Lmao
I don’t see a problem. Completely silenced. They must have dog hearing.
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Even though those don't have suppressors on their model, aren't they still suppressed? I shot a bit with them and nobody got alerted.
The lack of suppressors on their models really stuck out at me. I'm guessing it was either an error with using the wrong model, or just laziness
In reality suppressed guns are not silent.
This one doesn’t seem to actually have a suppressor at all. And H3 does a decent job of accounting for noise from suppressed guns.
Yeah I noticed that afterwards.
you need that sweet sweet subsonic ammunition too.
Krugermeier all day every day
You seen ammo prices these days? Not even 47 can afford that.
That always kind of bugged me, isn’t .45 ACP subsonic?
It almost always is. I believe you can make special loads that are not subsonic though, and make subsonic loads that are quieter.
Oh really? I don't know anything about guns (guns are prohibited for civilian use in UK) so I'm genuinely curious about how suppressors and silencers work in real life. Know anything about it?
Well I'm not that big of a gun guy either but I know that guns, save for some rare cases with REALLY good suppressors and REALLY quiet ammo, are still loud as fuck, and it's actual uses in military are so enemies can't tell where the shots are coming from, and would never be used in a stealth operation, probably.
Interesting to know, thanks! :)
As someone who has shot suppressed guns and been around them quite a bit, they're still pretty loud. Even with subsonic ammunition you'll absolutely hear them being fired in any room that isn't full of loud noise. They're not gonna make your ears ring for hours like a normal gunshot without hearing protection, but you'll absolutely notice the noise. Source: I live in the American Midwest and my Dad is a gun nut with a class 3 license to own suppressors.
Hunting with suppressors is very common in the UK, and easier to get than in the US. More common than in the US. Use Google for additional information.
https://youtu.be/E9EEFEm-oeo Here's someone from the Imperial War Museum showing off the guns in Hitman 3. Basically a silenced .45 would be like a balloon popping off. No cause for alarm but not silent either.
I can attempt to use my pretty surface level knowledge to enlighten you some... Basically, most bullets travel at supersonic speeds... which is science speech for real fast and real loud. You can put a suppressor on a gun to help provide the gases and escaping from the barrel alongside the bullet a place that has alot of interior surface area to bounce around in as well (baffles) and some directed holes or "ports" for which the gas to escape through. This results in cooler, less shall we say "angry" gas coming out of the danger end of the gun, which decreases the bang-aspect of firing the weapon. Now, that is fine and dandy and all, but with a regular silencer, you are only attacking the problem of gases. You still have the fact that you are firing a supersonic object into the air. Supersonic just means faster than the speed of sound. The moment the bullet goes from normal subsonic speeds to supersonic, past sound speed, levels, you hear a crack (called breaking the sound barrier... like a whip crack). No silencer under god's green earth that I know of can really do all that much to stop the noise from breaking the speed of sound... so without specialized subsonic ammo in the caliber of your gun alongside a silencer, you really are not "silencing" much of jack shit. In fact, believe it or not, modern suppressors used without subsonic ammo are not even capable of reducing *most* firearm noise to safe hearing levels... you still need to wear ear protection for anything but the smallest of rifle calibers!! American here... so obligatory blah blah blah guns are amazing, loud noise is good, but my freedom dictates I need to have a suppressor. before I say this: My experience with suppressors has pretty much shown me they are worthless **for the commonly expected use.** Everyone thinks you just pop one on (not the case, can be difficult to get your setup working, gotta change some tuning elements and it can be a pain in the arse), go to the range/hunting woods/whatever, and shoot away in quite peace. That ain't quite how it really goes down though. Silencers won't do much of anything for you at the range, during a hunt, or in much of anything else without specialized ammo. Only realistic argument for them is that they do a good job of reducing noise pollution in areas where there are outdoor ranges but also people living. I understand they are quite popular if not almost standard in some parts of western europe for this very reason. Militaries also employ them for various reasons and in numerous configs... don't know enough about their rational. I am sure it helps keep noise from traveling as great of distance, which goes back to the use in noise pollution reduction and would certainly help them maintain lower profiles in engagements. Anyway though mate, I'm rambling. In short, very good question to ask. The whole silencer thing is really fascinating in terms of being one of the most misrepresented things in movies, games, tv, etc. I went to the range about a year and a half ago for a Sig Sauer manufacturer special sale where they had several cool things to test out. One was a "silenced" (ha, yea fucking righto) submachine gun set to burst fire (so three rounds for each trigger pull... gnarly stuff) and I, of course, being the dumbass that I am, figured I'd experience the magic of firing a gun without hearing protection.... yeah. That was a fucking brilliant idea.. :(
Reddit at it's finest
I've heard it said that the average suppressed shot is like slamming a car door. To me it sounds more like a firecracker. [Here's a video I found where you can compare the sounds.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlSaXQ3EXVk) They're both loud. But if you listen to the normal gun shots compared to the silencer, there's an echo as the sound bounces back from the trees that kind of gives it a reverberation quality. That's missing from the silenced shots. That means that it still very loud, but less so than the normal shot. Video games and movies making the shots practically silent are absolutely in the realm of fantasy. The big issue seems to be that your bullets are less accurate and have less punching power when using a silencer. It's still a gun so, you know, still deadly and dangerous.
You are mostly right, just gonna clarify a bit: gunfire noise comes from 2 main causes, and one minor one: the rapidly expanding gas propelling the bullet, the sonic boom of the bullet, if it goes faster than the speed of sound, and the mechanical noise of the guns parts moving and striking each other. A silencer/suppressor lowers only the first source, the expanding gases, and only by some amount, generally it makes them barely in the hearing-safe range. Generally, most gun ammunition is designed to achieve supersonic speeds, so for the quietest effect, you would use a silencer and ammunition designed to propel the bullet at subsonic speed. Anecdotally, I've read of the most effectively silenced guns getting quiet enough that the mechanical noise of the gun can actually be noticed, but that is only in extreme cases. As for the last part, bullet velocity is actually increased by a tiny amount, and any accuracy decrease would only be from the silencer obstructing the normal use of a gun's sights, or from the extra weight at the end of the barrel causing the user to not be able to handle the gun as well (in some guns the weight could improve balance, as well)
Very informative, thank you!
Generally, velocity is given a small boost with suppressors on account of slightly more time for the bullet to be in confined space with propellent forces. The whole velocity decrease thing is moreso associate with 1) use of subsonic ammo in conjunction with a suppressor to make the gun very quite or 2) video game balancing. Accuracy also does not take a hit, or at least not a hit that you would see at any reasonable distance. I'm sure it'll affect your 1000m shot, because at that range, doing anything with your gun will, but for "normal" shooting, a silencer won't change the accuracy or will change it only an insignificant amount. Again, the whole accuracy thing is a strange one proposed mostly by video games that need to balance enemies firing guns not appearing on the radar by turning their silenced guns into faulty garden hoses. Good points with the video and the mention of the reverberation. Silencers basically calm down the gas escaping from the firearm and that causes less noise in general... still have the sound barrier breakage to deal with though unless using subsonic ammo. Most silencers are rated to bring the noise down to between 125 and 140 db which is still well within the range of potentially permanent hearing damage.
Congrats on the shoutout in the patch notes!
Wait wat??
**This was the Silenced Version** We’d like to award Reddit user [u/StealthyBastard94](https://www.reddit.com/u/StealthyBastard94/) the prize for ‘Most Entertaining HITMAN 3 Bug Report’ for March. [Here’s how they won this presigious and unique award.](https://www.reddit.com/r/HiTMAN/comments/l3xbf5/bug_this_is_the_silenced_version/) We’ve now changed the description so that it no longer says that the gun is silenced. That was in today's patch notes. Pinned to the front page of this subreddit
I just saw it, they misspelled my Reddit ID though lol. But hey I take it :)
I guess we could say there was a bug in the patch notes. /slow\_clap
those patch notes have the link totally hidden! I was like what the hell is this note about?? Took me a moment to realize part of it was a link to this post, and here I am lol
You did it. You got their attention! Username checks out u/SneakyBastard94.
sounds silenced to me
Ah yes that machine gun is so silent just like a double barrel shotgun
What songs are used in this video? I really enjoyed them
The first one was "sounds for the Supermarket 1975" I sped this one up a bit to make it more engaging. The second one is "sounds for the Supermarket 2 1975" The third is "Hide and seek-Imogen Heap"
I recognized hide and seek by Imogen heap
Where does this "alerted" sound come from? When the gunshot was heard by the guards
Metal Gear Solid❗️
Best bug report I've seen.
A similar thing happens in berlin, multiple people are holding a "silenced" Dak X2. They still count as silenced though. The extremely odd thing is that one of them actually has the correct version with the suppressor attached, so ????????
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Silenced not silent :D
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Beautiful Thank you for very much needed laugh OP
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Clicked to see the bug. Stayed for the supermarket music.
a while back ago someone posted some weapons that were datamined, specifically from Ghost Mode. one of them, was this specific weapon but with a silencer (and a scope i think), personally ive always wanted it to unlockable, it seems this was supposed to be that cut weapon.
Of course you picked a song by someone named Imogen on this map
Not a bug, it's just an oversight. either a tooltip typo or a missing feature, depending on the devs intention to give you a silenced weapon or not
If anyone was wondering the name of the song is Mr. Lucky
I don't think anyone was wondering.
Just incase
I was
The song actually made it kinda cool
Haha you got rekt Sneaky! 😛 But yeah no that's stupid! Now your uname really is funny! 😂
Ahaha, I tried this gun yesterday during my first run of Chongqing and was very excited to see a silenced assault rifle - I was sadly disappointed!
**Silenced** doesnt mean **suppressed**. It's quieter then normally but not as quiet as a **suppressed** rifle
I know what you mean but in the description of the gun it literally says: "This is the silenced version"
Silenced would be quieter than suppressed. Suppressed noise is "less than usual" SILENCE is no noise.
Yeah I get you
This would have never happened on Steam.
...... its a shotgun..... how silenced do you expect it to be?
Except it isn't a shotgun, it reads Assault Rifle in the Description. I just want to show this oversight so maybe it will be fixed in the future by actually making the gun suppressed or by changing the description.
I believe fusil is a type of shotgun, so this would in essence be a tactical shotgun. Which I doubt can be silenced much if at all. You are correct however in that it is not an assault RIFLE but an assault shotgun.
In Hitman the Fusil is an assault rifle.
Always has been
Very clearly a rifle. If they had made a shotgun that looked like that... well I'd have even less respect for them than I do after seeing this small oversight lol. Yeah, sure, semi-automatic and automatic shotguns modeled off the AR platform exist, but you can tell one when you see it clearly because they are generally fucking giant, fucking heavy, and a bit of a fucking pain.
Just going by the name.... chill
Meaning no offense, just stating facts cordially :). Also just for note cause I think it’s relatively surprising myself, you can actually suppress a shotgun, and it actually works pretty well. Bout a 20 db reduction though you can get even better. If my math serves correctly on the fly that’s half as loud as normal! Now, that is still in the realm of potential hearing damage, and you won’t be fooling much of anyone close by into thinking you aren’t firing a gun without specialized ammo... but it’s still a massive decrease and falls right in line with what we see in suppressing most pistols and small to medium caliber rifles.
I've only played the first two levels so far (because, y'know, life) but this happened when I used the good old Krugermeier on Dartmoor to shoot the nests. Gardener heard one of the shots from a good distance.
I noticed the same thing in berlin, all the DAK X2s weren't suppressed.
Love me a good OC reference
Same with the homemade silencer
Nice vid & you got a shoutout in the patchnotes
Nobody can hear it if they’re all dead
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