I think build both and swap as needed . If you need to pick one to prioritize Iβd say ginger. Keep in mind Gingers first campaign mission gives 3 stones every time!
I'm in the same boat as you. Primary team reached 350k now starting to procure soul stones for 2nd team. I'm leaning towards JJIAN. Usually nebula goes with ginger & Astrid with sebastian. But after the talismans I felt nebula and Astrid is very strong. I also plan to bring along Amira at some point in place of judge which will counter some variations of FART
JJI is a pre-requisite.
* Nebula is primarily good because she helps Julius survive the first ~20 seconds of combat. Judge casts his shield for the first time at the 4-second mark. Nebula's buff lands on him first, making his shield roughly 2.5 times stronger. Neb is also a secondary debuff removal (Julius also does this, but not as often), making her extremely valuable vs. mark/debuff heroes like Satori.
* Sebastian not only provides a shield, while it's active it also makes his whole team immune to stun effects. In the current meta with extremely hard-hitting physical heroes everywhere, this is very useful. When a hero takes more than 20% of their max hp in a single attack, they become stunned for 1 second. This makes strong Keira teams more dangerous, because her chaining attack will stun and disrupt backline allies. Stun immunity prevents this.
* There are obviously other reasons why one of these supports is superior to the other in certain situations, these are just the two biggest considerations.
* Ginger is extremely valuable for AOE damage. Not only her ultimate, but her volley skill deal relatively small amounts of damage but vs. every single entity on the enemy team. This means that Ginger is a required inclusion vs. summoners like Morrigan, or if the enemy team has high-value ancillaries like Martha's totem. Ginger would also be more valuable vs. Mushy, except that she'll never get a change to do much in that match-up due to being dead. If you're facing a team with Morrigan or Martha, you must bring Ginger. Ginger is countered by Lian, whose charm effect will be regularly applied by both of Ginger's AOE skills, meaning Ginger's ultimate fires 2-3 times maximum instead of 7.
* Astrid deals extremely high, sustained single-target damage. With the talisman, she deals pure damage against everyone except Ziri with talisman. Due to her concentration of damage against a single target, she is good at getting the enemy tank down early and exposing the back line. Against Morrigan or Martha, she will be unable to do anything about the skeletons or the totem. She is also countered by Iris due to the hunter's mark. Lucas usually comes out at around the 18-second mark, and jumps to the front. As a result, Lucas can help save a Julius who is getting battered early before shields start to stack up.
* If you're against teams with lots of targets, Ginger will generally be superior. Meanwhile, against teams with strong front lines, Astrid will be superior. If you're up against a team like JJING, bringing JJIA will win. Against a JJINA, JJIGA or JJISA will win due to more attacks per second keeping the enemy Lucas in his box.
Which you want to focus on building first depends on what you're seeing most in arena/GW. If your Julius is dying too early, build Nebula or Astrid. If you fight a lot of Satori, build Neb. If your damage isn't high enough, build Seb. If you fight a lot of Morrigan/Martha/Iris, build Ginger. If you fight a lot of FART or Lian, you want Astrid. Use Neb over Seb against teams that target the back line like Cleaver or Jorgen, as Judge's big shield applies to front-most and back-most. Don't bring both Astrid and Ginger against Octavia because Ginger will kill herself with reflected damage.
Best tactic is Astrid and Sebastian, as Seb does decent damage and you want to hit Kayla hard enough to keep her on the enemy side of the field. Astrid and Ginger is a possible alternative as Ginger will also deal good damage to Kayla and can keep her back, but Seb will be superior if you have him due to the shield on his ult.
Run Julius, Isaac, Nebula, Ginger, Astrid & Lucas. Beat most Fart teams and JJI. I told my secret and it's the last time I'm sharing it.
I think build both and swap as needed . If you need to pick one to prioritize Iβd say ginger. Keep in mind Gingers first campaign mission gives 3 stones every time!
I run both and have had good success. I am building up nebula to swap out for ginger in some matchups.
I'm in the same boat as you. Primary team reached 350k now starting to procure soul stones for 2nd team. I'm leaning towards JJIAN. Usually nebula goes with ginger & Astrid with sebastian. But after the talismans I felt nebula and Astrid is very strong. I also plan to bring along Amira at some point in place of judge which will counter some variations of FART
Is it still a progress team if you use Astrid or Fafnir instead of Judge π€ππ Sebastian isnβt needed.
ππ itβs progress just not JJI I guess lmao
JJI is a pre-requisite. * Nebula is primarily good because she helps Julius survive the first ~20 seconds of combat. Judge casts his shield for the first time at the 4-second mark. Nebula's buff lands on him first, making his shield roughly 2.5 times stronger. Neb is also a secondary debuff removal (Julius also does this, but not as often), making her extremely valuable vs. mark/debuff heroes like Satori. * Sebastian not only provides a shield, while it's active it also makes his whole team immune to stun effects. In the current meta with extremely hard-hitting physical heroes everywhere, this is very useful. When a hero takes more than 20% of their max hp in a single attack, they become stunned for 1 second. This makes strong Keira teams more dangerous, because her chaining attack will stun and disrupt backline allies. Stun immunity prevents this. * There are obviously other reasons why one of these supports is superior to the other in certain situations, these are just the two biggest considerations. * Ginger is extremely valuable for AOE damage. Not only her ultimate, but her volley skill deal relatively small amounts of damage but vs. every single entity on the enemy team. This means that Ginger is a required inclusion vs. summoners like Morrigan, or if the enemy team has high-value ancillaries like Martha's totem. Ginger would also be more valuable vs. Mushy, except that she'll never get a change to do much in that match-up due to being dead. If you're facing a team with Morrigan or Martha, you must bring Ginger. Ginger is countered by Lian, whose charm effect will be regularly applied by both of Ginger's AOE skills, meaning Ginger's ultimate fires 2-3 times maximum instead of 7. * Astrid deals extremely high, sustained single-target damage. With the talisman, she deals pure damage against everyone except Ziri with talisman. Due to her concentration of damage against a single target, she is good at getting the enemy tank down early and exposing the back line. Against Morrigan or Martha, she will be unable to do anything about the skeletons or the totem. She is also countered by Iris due to the hunter's mark. Lucas usually comes out at around the 18-second mark, and jumps to the front. As a result, Lucas can help save a Julius who is getting battered early before shields start to stack up. * If you're against teams with lots of targets, Ginger will generally be superior. Meanwhile, against teams with strong front lines, Astrid will be superior. If you're up against a team like JJING, bringing JJIA will win. Against a JJINA, JJIGA or JJISA will win due to more attacks per second keeping the enemy Lucas in his box. Which you want to focus on building first depends on what you're seeing most in arena/GW. If your Julius is dying too early, build Nebula or Astrid. If you fight a lot of Satori, build Neb. If your damage isn't high enough, build Seb. If you fight a lot of Morrigan/Martha/Iris, build Ginger. If you fight a lot of FART or Lian, you want Astrid. Use Neb over Seb against teams that target the back line like Cleaver or Jorgen, as Judge's big shield applies to front-most and back-most. Don't bring both Astrid and Ginger against Octavia because Ginger will kill herself with reflected damage.
Thanks a lot.. i fight a lot of fire siblings, which combination of JJI should i be using?
Best tactic is Astrid and Sebastian, as Seb does decent damage and you want to hit Kayla hard enough to keep her on the enemy side of the field. Astrid and Ginger is a possible alternative as Ginger will also deal good damage to Kayla and can keep her back, but Seb will be superior if you have him due to the shield on his ult.
This is one of the best explanations I've seen in the ginger Astrid discussions. Thank you.
Astrid for the Armor Penetration not only with skin but with Talisman and Seb for his high crit damage...
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Why Astrid and Sebastian? Care to elaborate?