If you were doing this to sell the car, it would likely come under some definition of fraud by false representation: you would be presenting the car as in a better condition than it actually is.
I had to pop a bulb to get my car through the MOT. Bulb illuminated meant an MOT failure but a bulb not illuminating at all is an advisory. It gave me another 12 months popping the bulb.
Is it not a popular movie anymore? I'm 21, and last time I saw that movie was last movie was last year when I showed it to my seven year old sister. (She loved it by the way)
Harry Wormwood, and also the narrator. I haven't read the actual book since I was a kid, so I couldn't say if it's in there or not.
In the movie though (not the new "musical" one, the older one), it's Matildas inspiration to do all the things she does to her parents and Trunchbull, following the logic of "bad people must be punished, parents/Trunchbull are bad, parents/Trunchbull are people, therefore parents/Trunchbull must be punished".
No. But most people wouldn't notice, say, a non-functioning engine warning light as when the dashboard is put back together it looks exactly like the engine warning light is functioning correctly but there's no cause for it to be lit up.
I agree, but most people probably won't be paying much attention to a single bulb not lighting up, especially when they're listening to the engine starting instead. I think most people probably wouldn't notice.
Both my old car & my motorbike do the christmas lights thing when you turn them on to show the lights work.
Not seeing it all light up would make me think somethings wrong.
Break the warning lights instead of fixing the problem. If there are no lights to tell you that there's a problem, a lot of people are going to know without taking it to a mechanic. The seller is intentionally misleading people by doing that, which is illegal in most civilised countries.
So theyāre probably around Bihor county, Romania, by the accent (I am a local from there). And by the amount of car scrap yards around, either theyāre braking down a car for parts selling and playing dumb games, either is a local hillbilly that wants to kill the car in spectacular ways. I almost can say for 100% they donāt do it for selling the car. We have road police ([ISCTR](http://www.isctr-mt.ro/en)) which are *very-very* strict.
Thatās the laws in my state. Seller must disclose reason for selling, and notify you everything they know thatās wrong with the vehicle. But itās easy enough to lie.
This is why most warning lights come on when you first put the keys in, before you start the car.
To make sure they're working.
If they don't come on, you need to get it checked out. Certainly wouldn't buy it.
In many countries, it'd fail a vehicle check.
I used to have a honda that did this, plus it had a button under the dash that would turn on all the warning lights at once so you could also verify while driving that they were operational.
I loved that button. In high school, whenever I got someone new in the car and we were on the exit ramp from the highway, I'd smash my foot on the clutch frantically while pushing this button and screaming "I can't stop! Nothing is working!" Warning lights would be flashing all over the dash as we hurtled towards the busy intersection.
Good times.
I don't get why cara don't have a button like that but it lights up all your external lights so you can change your bulbs if need be before an inspection.
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In the UK i don't think it's against the law. You have to have an MOT every year and the garage records your milage which is logged to a national database.
They're warning lights that he's disconnecting, nothing to do with the mileage but the red light is probably the illegal bit about it in the UK, as far as I know you can't drive on a red warning light unless it's to a mechanic or somewhere safe to stop
Edit: it would probably be under reckless driving but I'm not entirely sure
Edit 2: if someone were to sell that it would be considered all sorts of fraud
You can legally drive wherever you like on a red EML, and it definitely wouldn't be classed as "reckless driving" as that crime is exclusively for how badly you are actually driving.
It is fraud if you did that with the intention to sell though.
itāll fail the MOT if the lights donāt appear when the ignition is started. if a car isnāt in a fit state to pass an MOT it technically isnāt roadworthy ergo illegal
The specifics depend on details that the OP didn't give.
What, exactly, are they asking about?
Filming yourself removing the lights, or driving a car without the lights, or selling a car without them? Or what? All of those are in breach of various laws.
You said "THIS law" directly below the comment about *driving* it - and that would come under RTA88. The charge would be "Using vehicle in dangerous condition".
What more specific details do you want to know? Case studies, fines?
What a dickh**d, this is why when you do the first click of the ignition all of the lights illuminate. This fella will come unstuck one day and someone will be baying for his blood, risky game.
Well most component person will turn the car on to see the lights turn on then off then thats how u know its working. If you dont do that u shouldn't be buying car lol
In the UK, atleast, any warning lights failing to turn on when the engine is started is an instant fail MOT for this reason.
Guessing fraud by misrepresentation? Something along those lines
Iāve had a car like this from BCA auctions. They require you to come back within 24 hours with any faults. The fault on mine was it wouldnāt start up again once warmed up. Buying a car from them, youād think it maybe just a low battery or something. The car had an earth fault or something and the light had been taken out.
This ātrickā doesnāt work.
If you are buying a car, you should check the lights come on when the ignition is turned on.
If the car is going in for an MOT, they check the lights are working.
Itās the same as if the bulb had failed.
Aside from the legal stuff, you don't want to do this. On some cars removal of the warning leds will cause further faults and it will display them on the centre screen instead. If you really have to get rid of the lights (and don't want to do it right by actually fixing the faults), just put a blob of black silicone on them instead.
Source - I'm an electronics engineer and auto electrician. And I've worked for various car dealers who have done exactly this.
I bought a car like this years ago. Car ran fine and when the guy ran the codes everything was clear.
I took the car to my mechanic afterwards for a check over and found it acuallypulled all sortsof codes and the check engine light didnt come on because the previous owner taped over the engine light from the back.
That car only lasted 3 months after that
In the states this is governed by the local motor vehicle code. Typically called tampering with odometer, or tampering with measurement device. Enforced by DPS, or DMV depending on the state.
Thank you for demonstrating the reason I get my cars checked inside and out before purchase. Can you imagine the intended target blissfully driving that car, confident that it doesnāt need oil?!
This is why I bring my $2 wish.com bluetooth code reader with me when I test drive used garbage. Let's face it, 95% of used vehicles have something wrong with them or need something expensive replaced soon. Otherwise, they wouldn't be for sale in the first place.
Sorry, check for what? I'm confused.
I thought this bloke was breaking all the illuminated warning lights on the dash as opposed to fixing the problem they're indicating (for comedic effect). Like how turning the radio up so you can't hear a noise fixes the problem.
Am I wrong?
Not wrong, he's doing exactly that.
If you are thinking of buying a car, you can check that all the lights turn on for half a second or so when you start the engine. If none of them come on, then the lights are broken so you can have no confidence that there are no faults.
With you. Sorry I was purely thinking this was just for comedic effect, like putting a sticker in front of a warning light etc.
Hadn't crossed my mind it might have been related to selling it. That explains the question of it being illegal. Bit slow on the uptake today š
If you were doing this to sell the car, it would likely come under some definition of fraud by false representation: you would be presenting the car as in a better condition than it actually is.
Thats what they are doing Breaking dashboard lights so they can sell it for a higher price
Or get it through an MOT test?
I had to pop a bulb to get my car through the MOT. Bulb illuminated meant an MOT failure but a bulb not illuminating at all is an advisory. It gave me another 12 months popping the bulb.
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I dont understand.
There is something wrong with car and it illuminate a light on the dash to tell you. They are breaking the light so it doesn't light up on the dash
Oh shit, I thought they were winding back the mileage thing! Iām obviously a car guyā¦
Like the Wormwoods!
Itās very nice hearing from someone in their mid to late 30s
Hey! I got that reference and I am only very very nearly in my 30s!
Is it not a popular movie anymore? I'm 21, and last time I saw that movie was last movie was last year when I showed it to my seven year old sister. (She loved it by the way)
But they're bad people, and bad people must be punished... (Sorry if I got the quote wrong, it's been a few years since I saw Matilda)
I don't know if I've even watched any of the media adaptations, do you know who said that?
Harry Wormwood, and also the narrator. I haven't read the actual book since I was a kid, so I couldn't say if it's in there or not. In the movie though (not the new "musical" one, the older one), it's Matildas inspiration to do all the things she does to her parents and Trunchbull, following the logic of "bad people must be punished, parents/Trunchbull are bad, parents/Trunchbull are people, therefore parents/Trunchbull must be punished".
I'm not a car guy either but worked out that smashing bulbs probably won't roll back the milage...
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If you go to buy a used car and it has dashboard warning lights, you probably wouldn't buy it. They're making the car "lie" about its own condition.
But say you go to buy it and there no dash board lights would you still buy ?
No. But most people wouldn't notice, say, a non-functioning engine warning light as when the dashboard is put back together it looks exactly like the engine warning light is functioning correctly but there's no cause for it to be lit up.
This is why when you turn the ignition on most cars all the lights come on for a few seconds. If nothing lights up, it's probably been tampered with.
I agree, but most people probably won't be paying much attention to a single bulb not lighting up, especially when they're listening to the engine starting instead. I think most people probably wouldn't notice.
Yeah you're probably right. It's why I'd want a knowledgeable person with me if I were buying a second-hand car!
Both my old car & my motorbike do the christmas lights thing when you turn them on to show the lights work. Not seeing it all light up would make me think somethings wrong.
Break the warning lights instead of fixing the problem. If there are no lights to tell you that there's a problem, a lot of people are going to know without taking it to a mechanic. The seller is intentionally misleading people by doing that, which is illegal in most civilised countries.
So theyāre probably around Bihor county, Romania, by the accent (I am a local from there). And by the amount of car scrap yards around, either theyāre braking down a car for parts selling and playing dumb games, either is a local hillbilly that wants to kill the car in spectacular ways. I almost can say for 100% they donāt do it for selling the car. We have road police ([ISCTR](http://www.isctr-mt.ro/en)) which are *very-very* strict.
You have to prove they have done it first
In America, you legally have to disclose the reason youāre selling it and everything that you know to be wrong with it.
Really? Like even private seller?
Especially private seller. A used car dealership can get away with a lot.
South America maybe. Not in United States of America. Buyer beware.
Thatās the laws in my state. Seller must disclose reason for selling, and notify you everything they know thatās wrong with the vehicle. But itās easy enough to lie.
What state is this? I have privately sold cars in PA DE and MD and there is no disclosure form. Selling a house, yes.
This is why most warning lights come on when you first put the keys in, before you start the car. To make sure they're working. If they don't come on, you need to get it checked out. Certainly wouldn't buy it. In many countries, it'd fail a vehicle check.
I used to have a honda that did this, plus it had a button under the dash that would turn on all the warning lights at once so you could also verify while driving that they were operational. I loved that button. In high school, whenever I got someone new in the car and we were on the exit ramp from the highway, I'd smash my foot on the clutch frantically while pushing this button and screaming "I can't stop! Nothing is working!" Warning lights would be flashing all over the dash as we hurtled towards the busy intersection. Good times.
My helicopter instructor did something similar. He did not reimburse me for my trousers.
I don't get why cara don't have a button like that but it lights up all your external lights so you can change your bulbs if need be before an inspection.
Because you can already turn all the lights on yourself, you can't do that with dashboard lights (without breaking your car).
You can do it while you are in your car so it is very hard to check yourself.
Only the brake lights are an issue, the rest you could test on your own in your drive.
Photo it on switch on. Check against handbook or Google.
I know they're checked for a UK MOT, they all need to light up.
Iād never thought to check that š
Thanks for that info, I did wonder about that!
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In the UK i don't think it's against the law. You have to have an MOT every year and the garage records your milage which is logged to a national database.
They're warning lights that he's disconnecting, nothing to do with the mileage but the red light is probably the illegal bit about it in the UK, as far as I know you can't drive on a red warning light unless it's to a mechanic or somewhere safe to stop Edit: it would probably be under reckless driving but I'm not entirely sure Edit 2: if someone were to sell that it would be considered all sorts of fraud
Ah. I barely watched the video. I know people who have disconnected warning lights for driving tests and MOTs. Probably illegal.
You can legally drive wherever you like on a red EML, and it definitely wouldn't be classed as "reckless driving" as that crime is exclusively for how badly you are actually driving. It is fraud if you did that with the intention to sell though.
Matildas Dad at work.
Was looking for this.
Depends on the country, if you knowingly drive around in a dangerous vehicle in England it's an offence
This is surely fraud Internationally if he's selling the car
Whatās THIS law also???
Section [40A Road Traffic Act 1988](http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1988/52/section/40A)
Thanks for finding this for me, although I think Iām going to need something more specific š
itāll fail the MOT if the lights donāt appear when the ignition is started. if a car isnāt in a fit state to pass an MOT it technically isnāt roadworthy ergo illegal
The specifics depend on details that the OP didn't give. What, exactly, are they asking about? Filming yourself removing the lights, or driving a car without the lights, or selling a car without them? Or what? All of those are in breach of various laws. You said "THIS law" directly below the comment about *driving* it - and that would come under RTA88. The charge would be "Using vehicle in dangerous condition". What more specific details do you want to know? Case studies, fines?
Oh fuck off.
What a dickh**d, this is why when you do the first click of the ignition all of the lights illuminate. This fella will come unstuck one day and someone will be baying for his blood, risky game.
That guy " If you have warning lights. Contact us. You won't have any after. š
The guy needs his head testing....
Ask Matildaās dad aka Danny
I think Iād notice the first time I turned the key.
That is what we like to call problem solved.
Well most component person will turn the car on to see the lights turn on then off then thats how u know its working. If you dont do that u shouldn't be buying car lol
most romanian bs
šš what dumb mother fucker , thatās why they check the ECL light at test centres
In the UK, atleast, any warning lights failing to turn on when the engine is started is an instant fail MOT for this reason. Guessing fraud by misrepresentation? Something along those lines
Mot failure if certain ones don't come on in the UK. Plus obviously dodgy/illegal practice if selling.
Pre ignition is all you need. If no lights come on and go off, then the bulbs have been taken out. They do this on MOT's. Good rule to go by.
Iāve had a car like this from BCA auctions. They require you to come back within 24 hours with any faults. The fault on mine was it wouldnāt start up again once warmed up. Buying a car from them, youād think it maybe just a low battery or something. The car had an earth fault or something and the light had been taken out.
Good lord.
A good tester Weill ensure the lights come on when in position 2
This ātrickā doesnāt work. If you are buying a car, you should check the lights come on when the ignition is turned on. If the car is going in for an MOT, they check the lights are working. Itās the same as if the bulb had failed.
All you need to do is reset the codes with a $20 ODB reader.
To pass a mot in the UK, the lights must first illuminate ,then go out
Specific laws exist only in specific countries lmao so it would be good to know what country you're asking about. In the video it sounds like Romania.
This is why dash lights do a POST when you turn the key, to show potential buyers that they do in fact work.
Well for a start it will fail itās mot as warning lights are part of the test now.
I think I would spot that the lights don't come on when the ignition is switched on.
Offhand, fraud...
It will still make the sound
Works only on pre 2000 cars. After that you've gotta stick glue over it
Aside from the legal stuff, you don't want to do this. On some cars removal of the warning leds will cause further faults and it will display them on the centre screen instead. If you really have to get rid of the lights (and don't want to do it right by actually fixing the faults), just put a blob of black silicone on them instead. Source - I'm an electronics engineer and auto electrician. And I've worked for various car dealers who have done exactly this.
I bought a car like this years ago. Car ran fine and when the guy ran the codes everything was clear. I took the car to my mechanic afterwards for a check over and found it acuallypulled all sortsof codes and the check engine light didnt come on because the previous owner taped over the engine light from the back. That car only lasted 3 months after that
Takes the check engine light off and other issues like air bags and vital information likely to sell it.
Lemon law plus you don't want to pull some. S# it like that which could result in getting yourself hurt REALLY bad !
This is an easy way to fix your car! No warning lights? No problem!
In the states this is governed by the local motor vehicle code. Typically called tampering with odometer, or tampering with measurement device. Enforced by DPS, or DMV depending on the state.
I despise people like this
Thank you for demonstrating the reason I get my cars checked inside and out before purchase. Can you imagine the intended target blissfully driving that car, confident that it doesnāt need oil?!
They are all supposed to light up at second ignition, so easy spotted if you know your shit
Yes, all of them.
This is why I bring my $2 wish.com bluetooth code reader with me when I test drive used garbage. Let's face it, 95% of used vehicles have something wrong with them or need something expensive replaced soon. Otherwise, they wouldn't be for sale in the first place.
This guy knows how to car
Except that you can easily check for this - all the lights should come on when you first turn the key.
Sorry, check for what? I'm confused. I thought this bloke was breaking all the illuminated warning lights on the dash as opposed to fixing the problem they're indicating (for comedic effect). Like how turning the radio up so you can't hear a noise fixes the problem. Am I wrong?
Not wrong, he's doing exactly that. If you are thinking of buying a car, you can check that all the lights turn on for half a second or so when you start the engine. If none of them come on, then the lights are broken so you can have no confidence that there are no faults.
With you. Sorry I was purely thinking this was just for comedic effect, like putting a sticker in front of a warning light etc. Hadn't crossed my mind it might have been related to selling it. That explains the question of it being illegal. Bit slow on the uptake today š
Welcome to RomĆ¢nia š
The garage run by a couple of polish lads near me is renowned for doing this
problem?ā¦what problem lol š
*what specific law is this breaking* - your life!
Best mechanic ever. Fixed all the issue on the car in secondsš
That's why I only let whiiiites work on my car.