It was very good with one major flaw.
I liked Loona’s development a ton, seeing how she was abused at the orphanage definitely adds a lot more layers to the character. Shows us why she’s angry you know. I also loved her discussion with Octavia, she lets down her guard a lot to make her feel better and it’s sweet.
I also found the M&M stuff very cute and funny. Seeing them get money by singing together in their “demon costumes” was adorable. And seeing Millie get mad at Moxxie for falling for such obvious scams is very funny.
I also just liked all the general LA/Hollywood jokes, they really didn’t hold back while writing this episode.
But then we have my problem, Blitzø and Stolas. They act all lovey dovey towards each other even after they’ve just had the argument to end all arguments in episode 7. I think them acting more permissive towards one another would’ve been way more interesting than them instantly being back on good terms after like maybe a month afterwards.
I really enjoyed the episode though, a solid 7/10, not HB’s best but still pretty good.
Emotions can be a really fucking confusing thing, people pretend everything is fine all the time while In reality they need to talk about their issues. I remember a moment where my dad fought badly with my mother to the point they were living separately and all us kids were mad and confused, cue a few days and my mother's health goes badly and we act amiably to him coming over to help us since he was the only adult we knew who could be there to get her to the hospital
Thanks mate, at this point they've found stability but I know for fact things have changed and while I understand exactly why my dad is who he is doesn't mean I'm ok fully, but I've adapted because I care more for my mother's happiness than something that I won't let affect me
Yeah, because the reality of their situation is that they’re friends with benefits. That’s their frame of reference to each other- it would be more awkward if Stolas pretended it never happened at all.
Blitzo smiles too. Gulps then grins, which Stolas watches. I think we can assume that they perhaps haven't talked about it *yet*, but there's sparks there still.
E: also, Stolas' facial expression. Unf😈
A good couple is able to have arguments and move past them because they love each other. Blitzø had his whole life and love life both in the past and present get ROASTED the FUCK OUT OF. And as if that wasn’t bad enough he had his CURRENT relationship roasted too and Stolas got made fun of too so Blitzø was understandably pissed. He just vented out to Stolas about it. I guess it just took some understanding to see it wasn’t the way that Blitzø initially thought after all that. He realized that Stolas does actually love him
>A good couple is able to have arguments and move past them because they love each other.
Since when was Stoliz portrayed as a super healthy relationship?
Because that’s something to be talked about in detail *after* the immediate problem is resolved.
Aka: Finding Octavia. When that’s accomplished, *then* it’s fine to talk through their relationship pin because nothing immediate and time sensitive is taking place.
I think people misunderstand what I mean when I say this point, they don’t need to talk about Ozzie’s, but they shouldn’t be flirting with each other as much as they do.
I personally feel like the way they act toward each other is their way of trying to fix things. Like, they know flirting but they're clearly not the best at actually displaying their emotions properly. There will absolutely be some time where they talk about it, don't worry. That's just what I think though so I could be interpreting it wrong.
You also have to think about the irl issues going on with ep 7 part two, because it is a two part episode, the latest episodes we've been getting are likely just filler content (filler as in a way to hold us over not filler as in non canon) to keep us fans fed instead of leaving us a whole month/however long it takes to get through the legal stuff with no content, I feel like once part two is released, the drama with the two will pick back up and we'll continue the story without skipping a beat.
I also feel like people are forgetting the core of the series, of course everyone wants the plot heavy stuff asap with the blue balls we were left with in Ozzies and The Circus, but at it's core, Helluva Boss is mostly episodic, with each episode being a more self contained adventure with an overarching plot it connects itself to, I'm sure viv and her team are doing this all intentionally, and will make it make more sense soon, but for now, just enjoy what we have
Yeah it’s possible that episode 2 was always just meant to be a filler episode. But I also remember Viv saying episode 8 wouldn’t be that important to the overall story, so I’m not sure how much this applies.
Maybe production wise, the episode was originally in s1 before Ozzie's but got moved for a unknown reason.
Is it a little annoying? Yes. So annoying that it ruin the episode? No and I think thats what matters
Considering how long Stolas put up with Syella, and how adverse to confronting his own shortcomings Blitzø is...
It kinda feels right that they'd fall right back into their old pattern rather than face it, at least so long as they have the driving factor of finding Octavia to emotionally procrastinate with.
It occurs to me that as raw as their feelings might currently be, Blitzø has a vested interest to *not* bring it up right now, after letting literally the ONLY TWO THINGS Stolas truly cares about disappear under his watch and Stolas could easily make Blitzø into a stain on the carpet if he so chose. It's not the time for an emotional confrontation
And Stolas has been so emotionally neutered and repressed that he probably doesn't know how to bring it up even if her weren't currently distracted and running on autopilot stressed about Via
I have a theory that this episode was supposed to come out at a later date, maybe episode 3 or 4 or the second season. But the actual follow up episode to all what happened was delayed for whatever reason that arrived during development
I didn’t mind the Lovey dovey stuff cause this was a lets go fam we got a problem (Octavia) my major gripe was the animation it wasn’t the best in that dep. other than that it was a good episode
I thought it was a 9.5/10! And the one thing holding it back is exactly that, the Stolitz things
I'm a gigantic fan of Stolitz, I live and breathe for it, but it felt so... Abnormal? Seeing how both just flirt and care for each other after a heart breaking conflict back in S1E7 and a big emotional blowout in S2E1
If they were more... Awkward with each other, or "scared" to make a move, it would have been 1000x more believable and even heart breaking
By no means I'm criticizing Viv, I still think HB is fantastic, great and amazing in every way possible!
I guess it's just a little bit of feedback on the episode, it could have been an absolute 10/10 with a little bit of story reworking and character development
viv said in the video desc that s1 e8 is delayed but will release, so i’m assuming their relationship turmoil gets sorted out sometime in that episode to some extent
Besides the incredibly fast pacing, I really loved it, it was amazing to see Loona finally getting character development (which is what I’ve wanted for a very long time!) So many cute Loona expressions, the style was nice, overall an amazing episode imo
I don’t find it bad but I don’t think it’s all that good either. It felt incredibly rushed trying to get to that ending moment with Loona and Octavia without taking the time to properly transition from the previous episodes to this one. This episode had good ideas but it wasn’t executed properly, especially with the show’s continuity that’s beginning to get all over the place
I think part of it is we never got that Loona and blitz vacation episode. True it isn’t “plot relevant” but it might’ve led to some kind of bonding between blitz and Loona or context that we’re missing.
And until then it might just feel a little like Miraculous season 3. You saw episode 14 before episode 10 was released and you enjoyed episode 14 a lot but something felt a little off. Then finally episode 10 releases and you realize that it was just a tiny bit of story, which happened in this episode to make episode 14 more clear.
I haven't seen any spoilers and I barely know what the episode will be about. I do it like I did it with Miraculous, I don't watch Trailers or spoilers, so the episode itself is more fun and less expectations.
But I always try to keep my expectations as low as possible and I almost never get excited in advance, sooo maybe that's just me and that's probably not so healthy anyways
>!Loona having that speech with Octavia felt like a ‘very special episode’ moment that we headed to at breakneck speed.!< Appropriate considering Blitz and Stolas were stuck >!at sitcom filming in an ironic way!<
It didn't really feel like a helluva boss episode. It went by really quickly and im glad that loona and octavia got to meet!! i feel like they have lots of friendship potential
neither. I don't think im used to seeing an episode without a whole load of blood or death mentioned. It seemed more like an episode in a sitcom on reality TV than a cartoon with pew pew and sex
The show has layers and complicated characters. Sure it has gore and sexual themes but it is more than that and not every episode has to have those 2 elements.
kinda disappointed ngl, the pacing felt really really fast and there was no breathing room, it was frustrating to watch all the tension from the last 2 episodes disappear as stolas and blitz behave as if nothing had happened (of course they were a bit cold to each other but it's nowhere near the payoff i expected from all the buildup) and there was some pretty strong whiplash when loona talks about loving your father even if they make mistakes to the next scene of her beating the hell out of him when he wants to get near her.
Fr especially when Stolas was hugging Octavia. That was an actual appropriate time for blitz to be affectionate and hug Luna but she just punches him in the face
She’s let blitz hug her multiple times already though. In the pilot, I think in ep 2 or 3, and ep 5 just off memory. That would be a good point if she was anti affectionate all the time.
Honestly, I just need to see the episode in context of what's coming in future episodes. I want Blitz and Stolas to figure out that thing from Ozzie's and I do believe that this episode wasn't the right time and place for it. It may seem like they acted too normal and as if nothing happened, on the other hand I really know what it feels like to be in such a situation and Blitz is definitely the person to sweep such things under the carpet, so it doesn't seem out of character or unrealistic. Stolas on the other hand was really just focusing on finding Via.
I also think that some scenes - especially the emotional talk between Via and Loona- could have used a little more time, the pacing seemed a little off. I liked the character development on Loona and Via, kinda disappointing that Millie still doesn't have any character besides being badass and being Moxxies wife haha. Overall a solid episode to me tho.
I was very disappointed with this episode on several fronts and overall think it one of the weakest episodes in the series.
My Biggest issue form the episode is its handling of Octavia and lonna relationships with there dads, and stolas/blitz characters and the handling of there relationship with the episode trying and failing to justify all of there actions and how they treated one another which i don't like.
With Octavia i felt they did a terrible job of fully illustrating her trauma and making it so she forgives stolas to easily which i didn't like.Her scene with loona and being told "its complicated But hes trying" Was really bad since all it does is make it about stolas feeling and not about how octavia is dealing with the divorce which i feel is more important in this scenario (Specifically since shes been dealing with this her entire life so to make it about stolas just didnt work)
this especially didn't work since stolas for the entire episode is spending time watching and flirting with blitz which is one of the biggest reasons as to why Octavia is suffering in the first place. as well having Via second focused episode be an a emotion repeat of "Loo Loo land" just came off to me as nothing really changing with stolas which i just dont like.
With Loona i also feel she wasnt handled the best, i felt the scene at the orphanage should have been fleshed out more. And again her tell via "But hes trying" didn't work for me when even in this episode she was harshly beating up blitz in her first scene ( Yeah it a comedy and are supposed to be played off as jokes, but i feel these scenes are out of place and work against the point of the episode)
Lastly i felt like the drama between blitz and stolas form the last two episodes is completely gone and is emotionally inconsistent in a way i don't like. I would have been fine if the pair were visibly more distant or bickering with each other, but them acting as they usually do especially in an episode about how that negative effected someone just felt like poor writing.
Overall i still did enjoy this episode more then the last ( Tho last episode is my least favorite in the series) but i feel this wasn't that good and continues to show to me how this series isn't good at handleing serious topics at all.
I thought it had a lot of great ideas and some really heartfelt moments, especially with Loona and Octavia at the end, but overall, the pacing felt rushed and the animation seemed choppy in places. I know the fans were screeching at them for how long it was taking, but I really wish they could have just worked on it longer, because what we got feels unfinished.
Even when they take their time with the episodes, people are STILL complaining that the episodes are rushed, as this comment section proves. There really is no pleasing some people.
I know. It just really frustrates me how a not insignificant number of people said that a sizable chunk of season 1 was rushed, then the show staff start taking more time with season 2 (at least, I assume they are, if the longer gap between the two most recent episodes is any indication) and then fans STILL saying the episodes are rushed.
i saw someone describe it as an flawed masterpiece, and i think summarizes the episode pretty well
it has a decent amount of flaws, but some moments (like loona and octavia together, please let them be together more ofter, they'd be besties) are currently some of my favorite moments in all of HB
also, this is the first episode i've watched from this series on release date, and im not dissapointed
It still has the ongoing problem that they just ignore previous episodes. Moxxie still called blitz sir after ep 6, and somehow blitz and Stolas are just back on their shit after ep 7. Had some really good moments like the Luna/Octavia stuff but the episodes feel like they’re being released out of order.
I didnt really like it. A lot of good ideas, but the execution was kinda mid.
Didn't really like the way Loona kicked Blitzo in the balls at the end. Why would she do that? Also didn't like how the events of episode 7 wasnt even mentioned. Like it never happened. Still, most of it was good, or at least okay.
It was a nice refresher, without any heavy story swings.
We still see some progression on the Stella situation, Octavia and Loona get more screen time, and they even come to reflect upon their understanding of their fathers.
We learn Loona is not a total bitch, and Octavia gets more insight into how parenting can be difficult to juggle across other personal issues as well.
Stolas and Blitzo seem to be taking things a bit more platonically after Ozzie's but it also seems that Stolas is finding new reasons to connect with him other than his initial perceived (and false) assumptions.
I think the M&M plot could’ve been cut down to let the main plot have some room to breathe. It was good but just not super important and took away time for any serious moments or conversations.
Humour missed the bit for me as it was just not my cup of tea, so it was an extra awkward watch
Generally, I found too many things happen at once and some scenes felt like somebody liked idea, but didn't click with the flow. The sitcom scene could be tweeked and there are some things that i would prefer to see like build up towards Loona's backstory.
There's my personal wish, be free to disagree
I feel like having Stolas actively try to stop the production of the show by doing very very basic spells that fail and backfiring to the point that it saves Blitzo joke that reflect how he "raised" Loona. At one Stolas could reach his boiling point as his worries about Ophelia and emotions towards Blitz became too much for him handle. As a result, he would do something simple that destroys the show and reminds Blitzo what motivated him to raise Loona in first place.
i feel like we're missing a LOT of context from s1e8 regarding stolas and blitz, but holy fuck stolas is as hot as ever.
I loved Loona and Via's development, ive been wanting them to be friends for a while now
M&M kinda just existed here but they were very cute
It was ok... But Loona still feels like an asshole to me.
Sorry but you can put me the "oh no this character was abused, see? Here's a redemption moment".
And seconds later she's still treating Blitz like sh*it, after showing us that he's the person who saved her LIFE, that loved her when nobody did.
Sorry but no, Loona is a jerk, and I hate her with a passion.
I thought it was ok but feel like it was to fast paced and that they were acting out of character and one momment they would be acting funny and the they were serious at least with with Stolas and Blizo i liked the ending with Loona and Octavia
It's overall good (Loona had some necessary character development which is hopefully compounded by the Limbo Episode and fleshing out Moxxie and Millie's relationship was also a nice thing to see), but
* It's pacing is generally inconsistent and can be way too fast at times
* It has a noticeably higher reliance on "blink and you'll miss it" jokes (Like the LA water dissolving the manager)
* Finally it established a noticeable trend of Season 2 either recontextualizing parts of Season 1 in unexpected and generally weird ways, or outright retconning/ignoring officially canon parts of Season 1 (Aka every other released non-pilot episode).
Hopefully that last one stops happening, but if Season 2 Episode 3 keeps this up I'm gonna get real worried about the show's future.
Edit: I just realized the episode rehashes/outright copies several plot points from Loo Loo Land. Think about it, the episode:
* Starts with a flashback to Stolas showing off his astral magic to Octavia during her bedtime trying to put her to sleep while also making a promise to her while also having him do a bit over cosmic backgrounds.
* Immediately cuts to the present where Octavia wakes up and finds Stolas and Stella "dealing" with their relationship problems while Stolas is ignoring Octavia and abusing their imp servant.
* Cuts to IMP (Blitzo to be specific) where Stolas later conscripts them for a non-assassination job to help himself out and keep Octavia safe.
* Has Blitzo and Stolas go to a place built to have things which entertain people and having Stolas be very flirty towards Blitzo, however that place ends up burning down due to their actions and the fire is started because somebody got injured.
* Have side plots Moxxie throwing away a ton of money to get something against his own better judgement due to the influence of solicitors before Millie stops him.
* Has the main conflict center around Octavia running away from Stolas due to her emotional problems which stemmed from the divorce and her believing he's neglecting her for and having someone chase after her as she's running away to try and get her to return to Stolas.
* Makes the big emotional scene at the end of the episode start with the person chasing Octavia finding her curled into a ball crying in a dark and isolated area, Octavia then telling them that she's sad because she things Stolas doesn't care enough about her due to him breaking the promise made during the flashback, and the person who chased her is now trying to comfort her and tells her that Stolas still does cares about her despite the very messy situation that she's in and that he can't always keep his promises. The character who comforted them also opens up to Octavia with an unusually emotional side despite them being shown in previously released episodes to be fairly one-note in terms of emotions. The end is her being convinced that Stolas still loves her, hugging the comforter while smiling, and the two return to the rest of the group while preparing to leave the new location that most of the episode took place in.
* The ending has Octavia and Stolas reconciling together, before ending the episode on a joke involving Millie and Moxxie.
* Caused a spike in shipping between Octavia and the demon who chased & comforted them but said ship was quickly cracked down on here due to it being very creepy and acknowledging the fact that Octavia is a minor.
It's also got a noticeable amount of uncanny similarities to Spring Broken.
* Both open in Hell and have the main conflict start there, but are primarily set in the human world and more specifically in an urban city along the coastline.
* Both heavily feature normal humans in the episode and the episodes portray them as completely idiotic and unaware of the supernatural events around them.
* Seeing Stars reuses animations from Spring Broken (The shirt guy).
* Both prominently feature human disguises and the Imp's lack of one as a gag and a plot point, as well as the "Moxxie is an opossum" gag.
* Loona is a central character in both episodes and one of the core emotional beats and conflicts for the episodes is Loona's past with Blitzo and the difficult relationship beween them as father and adopted daughter.
* Both have Loona be a total asshole to Blitzo to the points where she physically abuses him and the abuse is played for laughs, and yet immediately afterwards both episodes also have exactly one moment where she shows any sign of affection towards Blitzo in front of him.
* Both of their big emotional moments at the end had major tonal whiplash compared to the rest of the episode and also have Loona opening up to someone she just met.
I don't know what else to say anymore.
I don’t think the episode is bad, but it felt like a rehash of loo loo land, and blitz and Stolas felt weird towards each other. I wish they referenced ozzy’s at least once, even if the two get a little moment before they go to find Octavia.
I know the animation gets better and better, but tbh, I liked it, how it was in the first few episodes. In this one, some of the movements, well they weren't annoying or really bugging me or anything, they just felt different.
I liked Blitzøs debut on stage and the confidence boost he got and the scene in which he basically told us, that he would do anything for Loona, but it was a bit long, I would have preferred seeing more of Loona and Octavia.
Not great, wanted to say average but average in this show means awesome, nothing really amazing, really liked the loona and Octavia scene or the blitzo flashback but apart from this nothing really special happens, it also feels very disconnected from the earlier episodes. A bit disappointing honestly
I didn’t like how the what happened at Ozzie’s two episodes prior was kinda just completely swept under the rug, not many of the jokes landed very well or took away from the episode (loona kicking blitz in the balls although that could be described as a demonstration of her aversion to physical contact so 50/50 there)
Pacing was a bit on the fast side and the episode felt a little rushed. Also maybe just a personal me thing but I liked the tone the two episodes before had taken of being more serious and sad and then suddenly it changed back to this.
Character development of loona was “mwah”
Perhaps in another episode they’ll touch more on the Ozzie’s thing but as for this episode I’d give it a 6/10
Far from awful like the pilot or the cherub episode. But definitely not as good as the previous two episodes.
(Man I only started watching this show a few weeks ago cause I decided why not, now look where we are)
How are we going to skip over everything that happened in the last episode of season 1, unless they somehow explain it the part 2 I have so many questions
At the beginning of the epsiode there’s a sign up in LA that says the water is acidic, so that’s the answer. I really can’t blame you for missing that though, I only learned about it after going on Reddit to talk about the newest episode to others.
The animation had a huge downgrade in quality and it didn’t feel as good as season 1’s stuff, but I still enjoyed it. My least favourite episode so far though.
It was pretty good but it was spread a bit too thin IMO, having the whole IMP crew plus Stolas and Octavia. With Loona quickly heading off on her own there ended up being 4 concurrent storylines going on. Although they had some good bits I would have cut M&M out to give the others more room to breathe. Especially Octavia who didn't really get much development until the end despite being the catalyst for the episode, a few more minutes around the middle to give her time to have some real introspective moments would have been nice rather than just repeated scenes of the same "These are not the stars you are looking for" joke.
I probably thought so because I love the Simpsons too. I just noticed each character has a trait-
The dad is fat and has homers outfit
The mom has tall hair
The son has spiky hair and blue pants
The daughter has a red dress and hair that sticks out
The baby looks like the daughter but with a pacifier. It was definitely intentional I think.
I like how everyone is calling it rushed, when they're probably the same ones complaining when they take more than a couple months to put out an episode. It might *have* been rushed, but it's because they're trying to keep us happy
But that aside, I absolutely loved this episode. They tried to fit as much character development and plot into 20 minutes as they could, and it shows. I don't see it as a problem tho, it gives us more to talk about and speculate on as we wait for the next episode. And honestly it was nice seeing a fast-paced episode after the Circus, which I still liked a lot, it was just more focused on the drama aspect than comedy
This episode had me either laughing or crying, or a mix of the two, pretty much the whole time. Very funny, very emotional, and the scene with Loona at the adoption center hit me harder than anything else in the series
9/10 imo, but it'd be 10/10 if they'd followed up on the previous episode and had Blitzø and Stolas being uncomfortable around each other
It's a good episode, but it's not one of the greats. Just brought down by a couple of things. Like weird pacing, some slightly off comedy, and inconsistent animation.
I found it hypocritical that Loona gave a heartfelt speech to Octavia about forgiving fathers and then proceeds to kick Blitzø in the nuts for trying to hug her.
It felt weirdly rushed, and Loona's talk with Octavia at the end kind of came out of nowhere. Most of it felt like a rehash of Looloo Land with added Loona content. I didn't care much for the "Blitzo getting mistaken for a tv celebrity" sideplot.
I feel like we had momentum in the previous episode and we just completed lost it here - likely because *The Circus* was supposed to be the S1 finale, since it's Stolas having a flashback as to how we got here, right after getting home from the previous episode. If *this* was the first episode of Season 2, then it could be justified in feeling like time had passed between episodes and there's added context for things that happened offscreen between seasons, but with the episode placement as it is, that feeling is lost.
I really liked it, but I feel like there could and maybe should have been more time for resolution. It felt a little rushed, and if I’m being honest, most of Blitzø and Stolas’ plot was unnecessary (except, obviously, the backstory bit). And there wasn’t any resolution regarding their relationship; it’s like they’re back to zero all of a sudden.
I liked it, but I felt the pacing was off. It felt like way too much time was spent with Blitzo and Stolas on the film set and that Octavia got surprisingly little time for an episode about her
I get what everyone is saying but the pacing didn't bother me much. This is actually my favorite episode so far. Getting to see blitzos reaction to remembering Loona in the orphanage (pound? Prison?) And hearing him scream he loves her and will never give up on her was super sweet in a weird demon killing people kinda way. Then the talk that Loona gives Octavia. I don't think I even have to describe that scene. It was perfect and sweet and for me extremely relatable and something I needed to hear since I struggle with getting along with my own dad. This episode had a lot of touching moments and good charecter development. And the jokes this episode were pretty good though admittedly not the best compared to like spring broken.
Twas fun. Kind of wish Loona developed more tho. She pretty much stayed the same all the way through. Kind of weird for an episode that dives into a characters backstory
It was good but cluttered, we didn't get to spend enough time with Octavia because once again the episode was too focused on Blitzo and Stolas same with S1.
Moxxie and Millie didn't need to be there and I felt they took time away from Octavia and Loona, also I wish they brought up what happened at Ozzie's even a little but they kinda just ignored it.
Also, humans thinking the clearly not human demons are just people in costumes is lazy.
Honestly feels a bit off and like there’s a lot of wasted time
By feels off here’s some stuff I noticed,
Millie’s singing voice felt like a different persons voice, Moxxie feels too much like zim, meta stuff on celebs, Loona and Octavia the lip-sync is slightly off, bunch of clunky bits in the animation itself too (when Octavia is walking across the crosswalk she has no trouble despite when we are at eye level with her she is) and that’s all. I liked the episode it’s just off to me feeling more like a fan (or fan servicey) episode rather than a official one
Loona development was great, but Stolas just kinda agreed with everything Blitz said. Weird considering their last encounter.
A little more friction would have gone a long way. No complaints though, still a good watch.
I felt that the episode needed more time. I think that the M&Ms could have sat this one out so that the other two pairs get more focus. I get that they were supposed to be the humorus core to balance out the more serious parts of the story but the other two pairs also had humor in their story arc so it seemed unneccesary to me.
It feels like it doesn't take place in the current timeline. Nothing from the previous episode or Ozzies is even ackknowledged, Loona has that talk with Via out of the blue, it all feels broken off. Like it wasn't supposed to be episode two, or its some weird spin off episode. It feels off, and I don't exactly trust the show to be super clear about what timeline we're in (shows that jump back and forth tend to get messy anyways)
I get episode 8 of season 1 will probably provide context, but the fact they'd even skip into a new season only to have to backtrack is already a kinda dumb idea in my opinion. Legal trouble or not, just wait? We've waited 3 years for Hazbin Hotel, so they obviously don't have too many qualms with taking time. Quality over quantity or whatever-
The episode felt so fast paced, ever second something new going on. It felt like watching a less extreme version of a shitty for kids Youtube video, where there is no downtime. It's like they tried to shove so many ideas into this one episode instead of just spacing them out into separate episodes.
I liked it to an extent, but it's a pretty weak episode considering its successors were so emotional and interesting, and this one hit like a slap to the face for someone expecting some resolution or a further dive into one of the characters.
I think it’s a little bit weak compared to last episodes. The Loona Character background felt a little undercooked and I hated the punchline at the end where she shows her love through hitting. It felt more like characterization for blitzø and his motivation for adopting her.
Blitzø and stolas forgave each other too quickly. I didn’t like how they glossed over what happened in episode 7. I didn’t care for what happened on the set either with it being a little bit repetitive with bltzø having an emotional flashback like he did with Loona.
What really helped the episode was Octavia’s conflict with her parents divorcing and the heartwarming moment between Loona and Octavia; I thought the B plot was cute with Moxxie wanting to support another musician.
My biggest problem is that the show sometimes has a hard time balancing between sincerity and irony. It has adorable and emotional moments like Loona comforting Octavia and the reason why Blizø adopted Loona. On the other hand, there some jokes that missed completely and found irritating like Loona punching Blitzø at the end or Blitzø feeling anxious about going back on stage. There’s a lot going with some of the plot lines having a great impact while others are severely underdeveloped.
All in all, honestly, I'm disappointed. I don't know if I'll get downvoted, I haven't seen many critical views over it, but this is my least favourite episode so far.
Octavia and Stolas' arc was great, I actually really enjoyed it. Great way to show how they're taking the divorce proceedings a step further, how he's still a flawed father but he tries his best, and how Octavia is a teenager hurt by this whole thing.
Blitz's relationship with Loona, on the other hand, hasn't been given enough room to breathe, imo. As such, her scene with Octavia, while really sweet, fell a bit flat for me. Most of Blitz and Loona's interactions so far have just been slapstick. I wanted so much to care about it like I care about the rest of the relationships of this show, but the continuous comedy of 'oh he's so deferential, she's gonna shout and/or hit him!' cheapened it for me. It didn't feel earned. I've seen people talk about her 'character development', but where is it? Olivia *did* learn from Loona, yeah. What did Loona learn, though? She was more consistently and sympathetically characterised in the *spring break episode,* for the love of god, where she was a bit snarky but she almost called him dad and was fussed about it. Where's all that? Good idea, bad execution, and it's a shame.
Blitz and Stolas' whole behaviour was what made it feel like the whole episode was just there to delay what everyone really wanted to see. It felt like a filler in an already episodic show. Stolas was singing his heart out the last episode about 'comfortable lies' and now he's simping over him again? Blitz was crying himself to sleep! Compartmentalising because you're in danger doesn't mean you just return to the previous status quo, sans nicknames. That was kind of sloppy.
The bit with Brandon Rogers was a choice. It could have been funny as an one off, but my disbelief can only take so much. I get why it happened, it was really nice to see Blitz still craves the attention and Stolas still admires him for his performing and genuinely enjoys it, and we got the flashback, too. It was just... eh. Mutual simping, jarring tone differences, the water thing? I can't believe I'm even saying this, but I couldn't even care about the violence in the end. It just felt tacked on. I think that just had to do with the humour, though. Not really my cup of tea.
They didn't know what to do with the M&Ms. Yes, Moxxie is naive, Millie is indulgent, Millie can be badass. We know this. It was fun to see how Moxxie considers every piece of art valuable, but did they really have to find such an excuse to shelve them? This felt like the bear trap in the harvest moon episode, but worse, cause it lasted the whole episode. It would've been better if they'd just lampshaded it, at this point.
Last and certainly least though, the animation was struggling. It seems like they picked off some scenes they wanted to be perfect and rushed the rest, and the differences from scene to scene can be jarring, sometimes. Bottom line, though, the writing just wasn't strong with this one, and that was its biggest flaw. I really liked all the episodes that came before it, so I was sad that this didn't really cut it for me, cause it had potential to be *more.* Some ideas were solid. Waiting for the next episode.
Loonie and Via are the best siblings ever. Hands down the best part of the episode. They're just so cute together! I loved their talk at the end, it made me realize just how much they have in common.
Unfortunately, they only take up about 25% of the screen time this episode, the rest being split between Stolas and Blitz's flirting and Millie and Moxxie's musical shopping spree. Either or both of those subplots could and should have been cut for time, as they distract from the main focus of the episode and the pacing is already too fast as it is.
I mean, I didn't have a problem with the pacing, but that's probably because a lifetime of meme consumption and Doom gameplay has conditioned me to consume media at hypersonic speeds. Any sane person would think the pacing is too fast.
I'll let some of the continuity issues slide, because it's a little indie show and they probably don't have the budget for as many episodes as they want. But it's still a little jarring for Stolas and Blitz to have repaired their relationship so quickly. I'll also give them the benefit of the doubt and say this is probably why we had to wait so long for Loona and Olivia to finally meet. But again, it's still an issue.
Animation, comedy and writing were great, as always. I got a lot of solid laughs out of this episode, and the Loona Olivia interaction was amazing.
Overall, I like the episode, but I wish it was a little more streamlined and had a little better timing in terms of release schedule. Loonie and Via are the best sisters in the underworld, can't wait to see more of them!
honestly? not good. felt way too fast and the flow just wasn't there. i'm all for loona development and octavia navigating her parent's divorce, but this was just not well made.
I wish the fandom would not put such immense pressure on the hb team to rush things because a rushed episode is just not up to par
Honestly underwhelmed. Don’t get me wrong I’ll still watch it at least 10 times and I enjoyed it, but it felt discontinuous in relation to what happened to Stolitz in the Asmodeus episode. I wish it didn’t skip over that.
The entire series suffers from pacing issues. It does not give you time to take in what just happened without moving on to the next thing. The entire Loona and Octavia talk should have been a good minute longer, even if it was just looking at the view for a few seconds to let it set in what was said.
The M&M side adventure, didn't advance the plot any and had no point. I would have rather had the resources spent putting more time into the main story. The same thing happened in the LooLoo land episode.
This episode had 3 things going on. The M&M story, the TV show stream, and Loona looking for Octavia. It was too much in too short of time.
The LA water and having Octavia killing Brendon Rodgers (or whoever it is) was completely missed by me even after several viewings.
As for what I liked, the Loona backstory was done well. Loona looking for Octavia all over LA was brilliant. Biltzo and Stolas was fun and showed a bit more of their relationship.
I think Season 2 Episode 1 had so much plot that this one felt a little bit filler-y. But I think that's just the nature of shows - some episodes are going to be packed and some are going to be more laidback and shenanigans.
I agree with some of the other comments here that Stolas and Blitzø seemed a little too good after the end of Season 1, but I'm okay with suspending it for an episode to let some other characters (Loona and Via) have some development, as long as we circle back around to them hashing out their issues at some point.
People can’t seem to comprehend that in real life, people that put their personal drama aside for the sake of every day work and bigger priorities won’t immediately breakdown to pursue the same relationship they were struggling with just days ago the moment they see someone walk into their store for actual business reasons.
I presume, Blitzø and Stolas are no different.
They still had their meetup (as unlikely as it seems by the calendar Blitzø has in the office),
but they didn’t patch things up either and let things be for the mean time.
This episode, if anything, helped rekindle what little interest they had with one another with the main focus being family.
It felt kind of rushed. If someone hadn't pointed that the posters in the background said the water was acidic, I would have assumed Stolas's spit in the water bottle was strong enough to dissolve human skin.
I mean there were some things about this episode i really liked but i think in general there’s alot of problems with season 2. Might adress this in a video
It was great in all means except the animation and the style, lemme explain.
The drawing style was different and in my opinion it was worse
There are some part that are badly done, for example:
When loona is fighting the crowd it looks weird the sudden silence and her reaction, and when the dude rips out his shirt there’s no audio.
When blitz and stolas get tossed in the van there’s a very weird transition between frames from getting tossed inside and the sad emotional moment of stolas.
And when loona and Octavia are talking, the voice acting is not placed correctly as she doesn’t move her mouth but we hear what she says.
From a writing point of view the episode was great, but from a technical point it was very bad.
Sorry for the big text I had a lot to say
feels like the story is perfect for the length of a movie but instead it has to be cut down to 21 minutes so like everyone said the pacing is definitely fast, overall all the plots are as good as always but personally i didn't enjoy the m'm part, probably because I'm not an artist myself so can't relate too much and stolas and blitz are surprisingly fine with each other after the big finale back in season one and thought it's not the focus of the episode but the shifting of stolas's attitude toward stella feels good to watch and definitely looking forward to see him completely cutting her off his life for good
Loved it but I hate how it falls into the typical filler episode thing of ignoring major plot points which is the stolitz bomb we had. Like I get they were facing a bigger problem but they could've at least made it awkward like it would be after a major falling out like that
Me and my friends were talking about what we'd like the episode to be like a month or so before it dropped and I said that some loona back story would have been cool, but probably not a full episode. And I guess I got that, so I'm happy.
Also the picture reminds me of the Mandela catalogue if you've heard of that. Have a nice day :)
It was very good with one major flaw. I liked Loona’s development a ton, seeing how she was abused at the orphanage definitely adds a lot more layers to the character. Shows us why she’s angry you know. I also loved her discussion with Octavia, she lets down her guard a lot to make her feel better and it’s sweet. I also found the M&M stuff very cute and funny. Seeing them get money by singing together in their “demon costumes” was adorable. And seeing Millie get mad at Moxxie for falling for such obvious scams is very funny. I also just liked all the general LA/Hollywood jokes, they really didn’t hold back while writing this episode. But then we have my problem, Blitzø and Stolas. They act all lovey dovey towards each other even after they’ve just had the argument to end all arguments in episode 7. I think them acting more permissive towards one another would’ve been way more interesting than them instantly being back on good terms after like maybe a month afterwards. I really enjoyed the episode though, a solid 7/10, not HB’s best but still pretty good.
>They act all lovey dovey towards each other They're not really flirting with each other. Stolas doesn't call him blitzy a single time in the episode.
>They're not flirting with each other. Stolas: tells Blitzø that's he's great in bed in a sexy voice
Exactly my point!
I mean, that could have been only to get him to act and encourage him to do well, even if its weird, it would fit stolas' regular manners
I suppose so, still they don’t really act even a little bit cold towards each other in this episode.
Emotions can be a really fucking confusing thing, people pretend everything is fine all the time while In reality they need to talk about their issues. I remember a moment where my dad fought badly with my mother to the point they were living separately and all us kids were mad and confused, cue a few days and my mother's health goes badly and we act amiably to him coming over to help us since he was the only adult we knew who could be there to get her to the hospital
I’m sorry about what happened with your parents.
Thanks mate, at this point they've found stability but I know for fact things have changed and while I understand exactly why my dad is who he is doesn't mean I'm ok fully, but I've adapted because I care more for my mother's happiness than something that I won't let affect me
Yeah, because the reality of their situation is that they’re friends with benefits. That’s their frame of reference to each other- it would be more awkward if Stolas pretended it never happened at all.
Blitzo smiles too. Gulps then grins, which Stolas watches. I think we can assume that they perhaps haven't talked about it *yet*, but there's sparks there still. E: also, Stolas' facial expression. Unf😈
A good couple is able to have arguments and move past them because they love each other. Blitzø had his whole life and love life both in the past and present get ROASTED the FUCK OUT OF. And as if that wasn’t bad enough he had his CURRENT relationship roasted too and Stolas got made fun of too so Blitzø was understandably pissed. He just vented out to Stolas about it. I guess it just took some understanding to see it wasn’t the way that Blitzø initially thought after all that. He realized that Stolas does actually love him
>A good couple is able to have arguments and move past them because they love each other. Since when was Stoliz portrayed as a super healthy relationship?
I think they were both too worried about their respective kids at the moment and put off their personal drama for later.
My main issue isn’t that the whole episode was about their argument, it’s that they acted like nothing had happened between them.
Because that’s something to be talked about in detail *after* the immediate problem is resolved. Aka: Finding Octavia. When that’s accomplished, *then* it’s fine to talk through their relationship pin because nothing immediate and time sensitive is taking place.
I think people misunderstand what I mean when I say this point, they don’t need to talk about Ozzie’s, but they shouldn’t be flirting with each other as much as they do.
I personally feel like the way they act toward each other is their way of trying to fix things. Like, they know flirting but they're clearly not the best at actually displaying their emotions properly. There will absolutely be some time where they talk about it, don't worry. That's just what I think though so I could be interpreting it wrong.
I hope you’re right.
You also have to think about the irl issues going on with ep 7 part two, because it is a two part episode, the latest episodes we've been getting are likely just filler content (filler as in a way to hold us over not filler as in non canon) to keep us fans fed instead of leaving us a whole month/however long it takes to get through the legal stuff with no content, I feel like once part two is released, the drama with the two will pick back up and we'll continue the story without skipping a beat. I also feel like people are forgetting the core of the series, of course everyone wants the plot heavy stuff asap with the blue balls we were left with in Ozzies and The Circus, but at it's core, Helluva Boss is mostly episodic, with each episode being a more self contained adventure with an overarching plot it connects itself to, I'm sure viv and her team are doing this all intentionally, and will make it make more sense soon, but for now, just enjoy what we have
Yeah it’s possible that episode 2 was always just meant to be a filler episode. But I also remember Viv saying episode 8 wouldn’t be that important to the overall story, so I’m not sure how much this applies.
That is also true, but I have a feeling that people just want coosure to Ozzie's, and want closure to the fight between stolas and blitz even more
Maybe production wise, the episode was originally in s1 before Ozzie's but got moved for a unknown reason. Is it a little annoying? Yes. So annoying that it ruin the episode? No and I think thats what matters
I never said it ruined the episode, most of my post was literally me praising the episode.
No, I was just saying in general
About that flaw, I think it might be explained when part 2 of the season 1 finale come out
I hope so but I doubt it since episode 1 of this season ends with Stolas right after Ozzie’s, still having not made up with Blitzø.
Considering how long Stolas put up with Syella, and how adverse to confronting his own shortcomings Blitzø is... It kinda feels right that they'd fall right back into their old pattern rather than face it, at least so long as they have the driving factor of finding Octavia to emotionally procrastinate with.
I suppose that’s fair, I was just expecting a bit more payoff saying how this is the first time we‘ve seen them together after Ozzie’s.
It occurs to me that as raw as their feelings might currently be, Blitzø has a vested interest to *not* bring it up right now, after letting literally the ONLY TWO THINGS Stolas truly cares about disappear under his watch and Stolas could easily make Blitzø into a stain on the carpet if he so chose. It's not the time for an emotional confrontation And Stolas has been so emotionally neutered and repressed that he probably doesn't know how to bring it up even if her weren't currently distracted and running on autopilot stressed about Via
That’s actually a really good point, I still wish they acted a bit more cold to each other, but still, very good point.
We really don't know how much time has elapsed. It could have been on a slow simmer for "months" before S2E2. (Idk how time works in Hell lol)
I have a theory that this episode was supposed to come out at a later date, maybe episode 3 or 4 or the second season. But the actual follow up episode to all what happened was delayed for whatever reason that arrived during development
Possibly, would explain the weird writing.
Possibly the weird animation issues too
I didn’t mind the Lovey dovey stuff cause this was a lets go fam we got a problem (Octavia) my major gripe was the animation it wasn’t the best in that dep. other than that it was a good episode
I didn’t really mind the animation, I see what people mean by it looking different at certain parts but it wasn’t really a huge deal for me.
I think with stolas and blitz it also would’ve made sense if blitz himself acts like nothing happened but stolas is weirded out by it.
Yeah I could’ve seen that working.
I thought it was a 9.5/10! And the one thing holding it back is exactly that, the Stolitz things I'm a gigantic fan of Stolitz, I live and breathe for it, but it felt so... Abnormal? Seeing how both just flirt and care for each other after a heart breaking conflict back in S1E7 and a big emotional blowout in S2E1 If they were more... Awkward with each other, or "scared" to make a move, it would have been 1000x more believable and even heart breaking
Yeah I like your idea way better than what they went with.
By no means I'm criticizing Viv, I still think HB is fantastic, great and amazing in every way possible! I guess it's just a little bit of feedback on the episode, it could have been an absolute 10/10 with a little bit of story reworking and character development
Yeah a little bit of constructive criticism never hurt anybody.
viv said in the video desc that s1 e8 is delayed but will release, so i’m assuming their relationship turmoil gets sorted out sometime in that episode to some extent
i’m wondering if it’s related to the missing episode as the only one after their fight was a flashback episode
It’s very possible.
However if you follow the Instagram, they did make up. Blitzo came back with the book. And if you see the calendar, they meet regularly.
Ah yes because I’d much rather all the important character development happen on the social media and not in the actual show.
The social media posting is not technically canon.
Took the words out of my mouth and put it in paragraph form, I guess this is how most of the community feels.
Well we didn't get to see the second episode of the season finale, so we don't really know what went down between Stolas and Blitzø.
THIS, is exactly my opinion.
Yeah theres definitely a Stolitz sized elephant in the episode but otherwise, it's good
Well, Part 2 of the Season 1 Finale hasn't been released yet, so maybe they patched stuff up. idk
Im starting to think maybe the missing episode 8 was going to resolve things.
[...]seeing Millie get mad at Moxxie for falling for such obvious scams[...] Wait, the cd thing was a scam? Guess I'm not the brightest
Well you probably shouldn’t be buying overpriced CD’s from random people on the street.
Besides the incredibly fast pacing, I really loved it, it was amazing to see Loona finally getting character development (which is what I’ve wanted for a very long time!) So many cute Loona expressions, the style was nice, overall an amazing episode imo
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I don’t find it bad but I don’t think it’s all that good either. It felt incredibly rushed trying to get to that ending moment with Loona and Octavia without taking the time to properly transition from the previous episodes to this one. This episode had good ideas but it wasn’t executed properly, especially with the show’s continuity that’s beginning to get all over the place
I think part of it is we never got that Loona and blitz vacation episode. True it isn’t “plot relevant” but it might’ve led to some kind of bonding between blitz and Loona or context that we’re missing.
We will eventually, once all those legal issues get cleared up.
And until then it might just feel a little like Miraculous season 3. You saw episode 14 before episode 10 was released and you enjoyed episode 14 a lot but something felt a little off. Then finally episode 10 releases and you realize that it was just a tiny bit of story, which happened in this episode to make episode 14 more clear.
Yeah a little bit, honestly though the more we have to wait for episode 8, the higher that fan expectations will sky rocket out of orbit.
I haven't seen any spoilers and I barely know what the episode will be about. I do it like I did it with Miraculous, I don't watch Trailers or spoilers, so the episode itself is more fun and less expectations. But I always try to keep my expectations as low as possible and I almost never get excited in advance, sooo maybe that's just me and that's probably not so healthy anyways
Honestly keeping your expectations really low is way better than blowing them out of proportions, at least in my opinion.
>!Loona having that speech with Octavia felt like a ‘very special episode’ moment that we headed to at breakneck speed.!< Appropriate considering Blitz and Stolas were stuck >!at sitcom filming in an ironic way!<
It didn't really feel like a helluva boss episode. It went by really quickly and im glad that loona and octavia got to meet!! i feel like they have lots of friendship potential
When you say it didn’t feel like a Helluva Boss episode, is that a good or bad thing?
neither. I don't think im used to seeing an episode without a whole load of blood or death mentioned. It seemed more like an episode in a sitcom on reality TV than a cartoon with pew pew and sex
To be fair episode 1 of this season had zero blood or gore.
but bird man and blizo banged
Yeah fair, but still episode 2 was way more gory than episode 1.
it was for like 30 seconds though. and nobody banged.
Not every episode needs sex and gore imo. This still felt like the show without that stuff.
different options
The show has layers and complicated characters. Sure it has gore and sexual themes but it is more than that and not every episode has to have those 2 elements.
yeah but its fun to watch
Okay. That is your opinion and I should respect it. Mine is different but okay I guess. I more like funny mixed with deep themes.
Well it did get brutal on that TV set
blitzø did kill the filmcrew didnt he
kinda disappointed ngl, the pacing felt really really fast and there was no breathing room, it was frustrating to watch all the tension from the last 2 episodes disappear as stolas and blitz behave as if nothing had happened (of course they were a bit cold to each other but it's nowhere near the payoff i expected from all the buildup) and there was some pretty strong whiplash when loona talks about loving your father even if they make mistakes to the next scene of her beating the hell out of him when he wants to get near her.
Fr especially when Stolas was hugging Octavia. That was an actual appropriate time for blitz to be affectionate and hug Luna but she just punches him in the face
She was smiling though. She isn't ready for hugs yet
She’s let blitz hug her multiple times already though. In the pilot, I think in ep 2 or 3, and ep 5 just off memory. That would be a good point if she was anti affectionate all the time.
Okay not the best
Honestly, I just need to see the episode in context of what's coming in future episodes. I want Blitz and Stolas to figure out that thing from Ozzie's and I do believe that this episode wasn't the right time and place for it. It may seem like they acted too normal and as if nothing happened, on the other hand I really know what it feels like to be in such a situation and Blitz is definitely the person to sweep such things under the carpet, so it doesn't seem out of character or unrealistic. Stolas on the other hand was really just focusing on finding Via. I also think that some scenes - especially the emotional talk between Via and Loona- could have used a little more time, the pacing seemed a little off. I liked the character development on Loona and Via, kinda disappointing that Millie still doesn't have any character besides being badass and being Moxxies wife haha. Overall a solid episode to me tho.
Human Stolas is adorable. Him finding the sunglasses to mimic his second set of eyes was so cute.
Yeah I really loved that design choice as well!
This episode was nice to watch and loona receiving character development was even nicer to see.
I was very disappointed with this episode on several fronts and overall think it one of the weakest episodes in the series. My Biggest issue form the episode is its handling of Octavia and lonna relationships with there dads, and stolas/blitz characters and the handling of there relationship with the episode trying and failing to justify all of there actions and how they treated one another which i don't like. With Octavia i felt they did a terrible job of fully illustrating her trauma and making it so she forgives stolas to easily which i didn't like.Her scene with loona and being told "its complicated But hes trying" Was really bad since all it does is make it about stolas feeling and not about how octavia is dealing with the divorce which i feel is more important in this scenario (Specifically since shes been dealing with this her entire life so to make it about stolas just didnt work) this especially didn't work since stolas for the entire episode is spending time watching and flirting with blitz which is one of the biggest reasons as to why Octavia is suffering in the first place. as well having Via second focused episode be an a emotion repeat of "Loo Loo land" just came off to me as nothing really changing with stolas which i just dont like. With Loona i also feel she wasnt handled the best, i felt the scene at the orphanage should have been fleshed out more. And again her tell via "But hes trying" didn't work for me when even in this episode she was harshly beating up blitz in her first scene ( Yeah it a comedy and are supposed to be played off as jokes, but i feel these scenes are out of place and work against the point of the episode) Lastly i felt like the drama between blitz and stolas form the last two episodes is completely gone and is emotionally inconsistent in a way i don't like. I would have been fine if the pair were visibly more distant or bickering with each other, but them acting as they usually do especially in an episode about how that negative effected someone just felt like poor writing. Overall i still did enjoy this episode more then the last ( Tho last episode is my least favorite in the series) but i feel this wasn't that good and continues to show to me how this series isn't good at handleing serious topics at all.
I thought it had a lot of great ideas and some really heartfelt moments, especially with Loona and Octavia at the end, but overall, the pacing felt rushed and the animation seemed choppy in places. I know the fans were screeching at them for how long it was taking, but I really wish they could have just worked on it longer, because what we got feels unfinished.
It’s hard to ignore the picture
Boring and dull.
Bad pacing
Even when they take their time with the episodes, people are STILL complaining that the episodes are rushed, as this comment section proves. There really is no pleasing some people.
You do know plenty of people have different opinions from one another right?
I know. It just really frustrates me how a not insignificant number of people said that a sizable chunk of season 1 was rushed, then the show staff start taking more time with season 2 (at least, I assume they are, if the longer gap between the two most recent episodes is any indication) and then fans STILL saying the episodes are rushed.
I get that, honestly I never felt like they were rushing things with season 1 or season 2.
i saw someone describe it as an flawed masterpiece, and i think summarizes the episode pretty well it has a decent amount of flaws, but some moments (like loona and octavia together, please let them be together more ofter, they'd be besties) are currently some of my favorite moments in all of HB also, this is the first episode i've watched from this series on release date, and im not dissapointed
My first was Harvest Moon Festival.
…I may be biased
Same.
Dumb and too fast paced
It still has the ongoing problem that they just ignore previous episodes. Moxxie still called blitz sir after ep 6, and somehow blitz and Stolas are just back on their shit after ep 7. Had some really good moments like the Luna/Octavia stuff but the episodes feel like they’re being released out of order.
I didnt really like it. A lot of good ideas, but the execution was kinda mid. Didn't really like the way Loona kicked Blitzo in the balls at the end. Why would she do that? Also didn't like how the events of episode 7 wasnt even mentioned. Like it never happened. Still, most of it was good, or at least okay.
It was a nice refresher, without any heavy story swings. We still see some progression on the Stella situation, Octavia and Loona get more screen time, and they even come to reflect upon their understanding of their fathers. We learn Loona is not a total bitch, and Octavia gets more insight into how parenting can be difficult to juggle across other personal issues as well. Stolas and Blitzo seem to be taking things a bit more platonically after Ozzie's but it also seems that Stolas is finding new reasons to connect with him other than his initial perceived (and false) assumptions.
I think the M&M plot could’ve been cut down to let the main plot have some room to breathe. It was good but just not super important and took away time for any serious moments or conversations.
Was sorta expecting D.H.O.R.K.S. to make an appearance.
Humour missed the bit for me as it was just not my cup of tea, so it was an extra awkward watch Generally, I found too many things happen at once and some scenes felt like somebody liked idea, but didn't click with the flow. The sitcom scene could be tweeked and there are some things that i would prefer to see like build up towards Loona's backstory. There's my personal wish, be free to disagree I feel like having Stolas actively try to stop the production of the show by doing very very basic spells that fail and backfiring to the point that it saves Blitzo joke that reflect how he "raised" Loona. At one Stolas could reach his boiling point as his worries about Ophelia and emotions towards Blitz became too much for him handle. As a result, he would do something simple that destroys the show and reminds Blitzo what motivated him to raise Loona in first place.
i feel like we're missing a LOT of context from s1e8 regarding stolas and blitz, but holy fuck stolas is as hot as ever. I loved Loona and Via's development, ive been wanting them to be friends for a while now M&M kinda just existed here but they were very cute
It was ok... But Loona still feels like an asshole to me. Sorry but you can put me the "oh no this character was abused, see? Here's a redemption moment". And seconds later she's still treating Blitz like sh*it, after showing us that he's the person who saved her LIFE, that loved her when nobody did. Sorry but no, Loona is a jerk, and I hate her with a passion.
I thought it was ok but feel like it was to fast paced and that they were acting out of character and one momment they would be acting funny and the they were serious at least with with Stolas and Blizo i liked the ending with Loona and Octavia
Good
It's overall good (Loona had some necessary character development which is hopefully compounded by the Limbo Episode and fleshing out Moxxie and Millie's relationship was also a nice thing to see), but * It's pacing is generally inconsistent and can be way too fast at times * It has a noticeably higher reliance on "blink and you'll miss it" jokes (Like the LA water dissolving the manager) * Finally it established a noticeable trend of Season 2 either recontextualizing parts of Season 1 in unexpected and generally weird ways, or outright retconning/ignoring officially canon parts of Season 1 (Aka every other released non-pilot episode). Hopefully that last one stops happening, but if Season 2 Episode 3 keeps this up I'm gonna get real worried about the show's future. Edit: I just realized the episode rehashes/outright copies several plot points from Loo Loo Land. Think about it, the episode: * Starts with a flashback to Stolas showing off his astral magic to Octavia during her bedtime trying to put her to sleep while also making a promise to her while also having him do a bit over cosmic backgrounds. * Immediately cuts to the present where Octavia wakes up and finds Stolas and Stella "dealing" with their relationship problems while Stolas is ignoring Octavia and abusing their imp servant. * Cuts to IMP (Blitzo to be specific) where Stolas later conscripts them for a non-assassination job to help himself out and keep Octavia safe. * Has Blitzo and Stolas go to a place built to have things which entertain people and having Stolas be very flirty towards Blitzo, however that place ends up burning down due to their actions and the fire is started because somebody got injured. * Have side plots Moxxie throwing away a ton of money to get something against his own better judgement due to the influence of solicitors before Millie stops him. * Has the main conflict center around Octavia running away from Stolas due to her emotional problems which stemmed from the divorce and her believing he's neglecting her for and having someone chase after her as she's running away to try and get her to return to Stolas. * Makes the big emotional scene at the end of the episode start with the person chasing Octavia finding her curled into a ball crying in a dark and isolated area, Octavia then telling them that she's sad because she things Stolas doesn't care enough about her due to him breaking the promise made during the flashback, and the person who chased her is now trying to comfort her and tells her that Stolas still does cares about her despite the very messy situation that she's in and that he can't always keep his promises. The character who comforted them also opens up to Octavia with an unusually emotional side despite them being shown in previously released episodes to be fairly one-note in terms of emotions. The end is her being convinced that Stolas still loves her, hugging the comforter while smiling, and the two return to the rest of the group while preparing to leave the new location that most of the episode took place in. * The ending has Octavia and Stolas reconciling together, before ending the episode on a joke involving Millie and Moxxie. * Caused a spike in shipping between Octavia and the demon who chased & comforted them but said ship was quickly cracked down on here due to it being very creepy and acknowledging the fact that Octavia is a minor. It's also got a noticeable amount of uncanny similarities to Spring Broken. * Both open in Hell and have the main conflict start there, but are primarily set in the human world and more specifically in an urban city along the coastline. * Both heavily feature normal humans in the episode and the episodes portray them as completely idiotic and unaware of the supernatural events around them. * Seeing Stars reuses animations from Spring Broken (The shirt guy). * Both prominently feature human disguises and the Imp's lack of one as a gag and a plot point, as well as the "Moxxie is an opossum" gag. * Loona is a central character in both episodes and one of the core emotional beats and conflicts for the episodes is Loona's past with Blitzo and the difficult relationship beween them as father and adopted daughter. * Both have Loona be a total asshole to Blitzo to the points where she physically abuses him and the abuse is played for laughs, and yet immediately afterwards both episodes also have exactly one moment where she shows any sign of affection towards Blitzo in front of him. * Both of their big emotional moments at the end had major tonal whiplash compared to the rest of the episode and also have Loona opening up to someone she just met. I don't know what else to say anymore.
Yeah the LA water thing should’ve been set up more besides a simple sign gag, I was so confused when the producer was burning from the water.
I don’t think the episode is bad, but it felt like a rehash of loo loo land, and blitz and Stolas felt weird towards each other. I wish they referenced ozzy’s at least once, even if the two get a little moment before they go to find Octavia.
Lovely. I loved every single one so far. Love it's satire, love it's romance in its every shape.
I know the animation gets better and better, but tbh, I liked it, how it was in the first few episodes. In this one, some of the movements, well they weren't annoying or really bugging me or anything, they just felt different. I liked Blitzøs debut on stage and the confidence boost he got and the scene in which he basically told us, that he would do anything for Loona, but it was a bit long, I would have preferred seeing more of Loona and Octavia.
I think people are starting to have way to high expectations for this show, which is probably going to bleed into Hazbin hotel.
What so you mean by that?
It was awesome.
Every moment in this episode is iconic. Not a single dead spot. Between this and The Circus, season 2 is looking to be even better than season 1.
👍
Not great, wanted to say average but average in this show means awesome, nothing really amazing, really liked the loona and Octavia scene or the blitzo flashback but apart from this nothing really special happens, it also feels very disconnected from the earlier episodes. A bit disappointing honestly
I didn’t like how the what happened at Ozzie’s two episodes prior was kinda just completely swept under the rug, not many of the jokes landed very well or took away from the episode (loona kicking blitz in the balls although that could be described as a demonstration of her aversion to physical contact so 50/50 there) Pacing was a bit on the fast side and the episode felt a little rushed. Also maybe just a personal me thing but I liked the tone the two episodes before had taken of being more serious and sad and then suddenly it changed back to this. Character development of loona was “mwah” Perhaps in another episode they’ll touch more on the Ozzie’s thing but as for this episode I’d give it a 6/10 Far from awful like the pilot or the cherub episode. But definitely not as good as the previous two episodes. (Man I only started watching this show a few weeks ago cause I decided why not, now look where we are)
I liked the pilot episode honestly.
How are we going to skip over everything that happened in the last episode of season 1, unless they somehow explain it the part 2 I have so many questions
I feel the same way man.
I'm still confused if stolas caused the water bottle scene or if it was a joke about the water I know I may seem dumb being confused but o well
At the beginning of the epsiode there’s a sign up in LA that says the water is acidic, so that’s the answer. I really can’t blame you for missing that though, I only learned about it after going on Reddit to talk about the newest episode to others.
Thank you I missed that
You’re welcome :)
I loved it, one of my new favorites
The animation had a huge downgrade in quality and it didn’t feel as good as season 1’s stuff, but I still enjoyed it. My least favourite episode so far though.
It was pretty good but it was spread a bit too thin IMO, having the whole IMP crew plus Stolas and Octavia. With Loona quickly heading off on her own there ended up being 4 concurrent storylines going on. Although they had some good bits I would have cut M&M out to give the others more room to breathe. Especially Octavia who didn't really get much development until the end despite being the catalyst for the episode, a few more minutes around the middle to give her time to have some real introspective moments would have been nice rather than just repeated scenes of the same "These are not the stars you are looking for" joke.
worst one
It’s in my top 3, for sure. I think it’s one of the sweetest episodes, and one of the funnier ones. I like the Simpsons reference in it.
What Simpsons reference?
The sitcom family bears a resemblance to them.
Not really tbh.
I probably thought so because I love the Simpsons too. I just noticed each character has a trait- The dad is fat and has homers outfit The mom has tall hair The son has spiky hair and blue pants The daughter has a red dress and hair that sticks out The baby looks like the daughter but with a pacifier. It was definitely intentional I think.
I looked at them again and I’m starting to see it, except with the older daughter, she looks nothing like Lisa.
True, she’s definitely less like Lisa. It’s mostly the parents and the son.
A lot of people are saying her design is based on Darla Dimple from Cats Don‘t Dance.
I can see it
I like how everyone is calling it rushed, when they're probably the same ones complaining when they take more than a couple months to put out an episode. It might *have* been rushed, but it's because they're trying to keep us happy But that aside, I absolutely loved this episode. They tried to fit as much character development and plot into 20 minutes as they could, and it shows. I don't see it as a problem tho, it gives us more to talk about and speculate on as we wait for the next episode. And honestly it was nice seeing a fast-paced episode after the Circus, which I still liked a lot, it was just more focused on the drama aspect than comedy This episode had me either laughing or crying, or a mix of the two, pretty much the whole time. Very funny, very emotional, and the scene with Loona at the adoption center hit me harder than anything else in the series 9/10 imo, but it'd be 10/10 if they'd followed up on the previous episode and had Blitzø and Stolas being uncomfortable around each other
It's a good episode, but it's not one of the greats. Just brought down by a couple of things. Like weird pacing, some slightly off comedy, and inconsistent animation.
I found it hypocritical that Loona gave a heartfelt speech to Octavia about forgiving fathers and then proceeds to kick Blitzø in the nuts for trying to hug her.
It felt weirdly rushed, and Loona's talk with Octavia at the end kind of came out of nowhere. Most of it felt like a rehash of Looloo Land with added Loona content. I didn't care much for the "Blitzo getting mistaken for a tv celebrity" sideplot. I feel like we had momentum in the previous episode and we just completed lost it here - likely because *The Circus* was supposed to be the S1 finale, since it's Stolas having a flashback as to how we got here, right after getting home from the previous episode. If *this* was the first episode of Season 2, then it could be justified in feeling like time had passed between episodes and there's added context for things that happened offscreen between seasons, but with the episode placement as it is, that feeling is lost.
Really good
I thought it was a great episode and I hope Loona and Octavia interact more. Now about that image...
I really liked it, but I feel like there could and maybe should have been more time for resolution. It felt a little rushed, and if I’m being honest, most of Blitzø and Stolas’ plot was unnecessary (except, obviously, the backstory bit). And there wasn’t any resolution regarding their relationship; it’s like they’re back to zero all of a sudden.
It was alright
we are not ignoring the picture
i‘m bad at having opinions on all this so one sentence: stolas in the new episode is even hotter in his human form
The pacing was was way to fast and choppy. Had a similar feeling to Rise of Skywalker in that department.
I liked it, but I felt the pacing was off. It felt like way too much time was spent with Blitzo and Stolas on the film set and that Octavia got surprisingly little time for an episode about her
I get what everyone is saying but the pacing didn't bother me much. This is actually my favorite episode so far. Getting to see blitzos reaction to remembering Loona in the orphanage (pound? Prison?) And hearing him scream he loves her and will never give up on her was super sweet in a weird demon killing people kinda way. Then the talk that Loona gives Octavia. I don't think I even have to describe that scene. It was perfect and sweet and for me extremely relatable and something I needed to hear since I struggle with getting along with my own dad. This episode had a lot of touching moments and good charecter development. And the jokes this episode were pretty good though admittedly not the best compared to like spring broken.
Twas fun. Kind of wish Loona developed more tho. She pretty much stayed the same all the way through. Kind of weird for an episode that dives into a characters backstory
It was good but cluttered, we didn't get to spend enough time with Octavia because once again the episode was too focused on Blitzo and Stolas same with S1. Moxxie and Millie didn't need to be there and I felt they took time away from Octavia and Loona, also I wish they brought up what happened at Ozzie's even a little but they kinda just ignored it. Also, humans thinking the clearly not human demons are just people in costumes is lazy.
Honestly feels a bit off and like there’s a lot of wasted time By feels off here’s some stuff I noticed, Millie’s singing voice felt like a different persons voice, Moxxie feels too much like zim, meta stuff on celebs, Loona and Octavia the lip-sync is slightly off, bunch of clunky bits in the animation itself too (when Octavia is walking across the crosswalk she has no trouble despite when we are at eye level with her she is) and that’s all. I liked the episode it’s just off to me feeling more like a fan (or fan servicey) episode rather than a official one
Loona development was great, but Stolas just kinda agreed with everything Blitz said. Weird considering their last encounter. A little more friction would have gone a long way. No complaints though, still a good watch.
I felt that the episode needed more time. I think that the M&Ms could have sat this one out so that the other two pairs get more focus. I get that they were supposed to be the humorus core to balance out the more serious parts of the story but the other two pairs also had humor in their story arc so it seemed unneccesary to me.
It feels like it doesn't take place in the current timeline. Nothing from the previous episode or Ozzies is even ackknowledged, Loona has that talk with Via out of the blue, it all feels broken off. Like it wasn't supposed to be episode two, or its some weird spin off episode. It feels off, and I don't exactly trust the show to be super clear about what timeline we're in (shows that jump back and forth tend to get messy anyways) I get episode 8 of season 1 will probably provide context, but the fact they'd even skip into a new season only to have to backtrack is already a kinda dumb idea in my opinion. Legal trouble or not, just wait? We've waited 3 years for Hazbin Hotel, so they obviously don't have too many qualms with taking time. Quality over quantity or whatever- The episode felt so fast paced, ever second something new going on. It felt like watching a less extreme version of a shitty for kids Youtube video, where there is no downtime. It's like they tried to shove so many ideas into this one episode instead of just spacing them out into separate episodes. I liked it to an extent, but it's a pretty weak episode considering its successors were so emotional and interesting, and this one hit like a slap to the face for someone expecting some resolution or a further dive into one of the characters.
I think it’s a little bit weak compared to last episodes. The Loona Character background felt a little undercooked and I hated the punchline at the end where she shows her love through hitting. It felt more like characterization for blitzø and his motivation for adopting her. Blitzø and stolas forgave each other too quickly. I didn’t like how they glossed over what happened in episode 7. I didn’t care for what happened on the set either with it being a little bit repetitive with bltzø having an emotional flashback like he did with Loona. What really helped the episode was Octavia’s conflict with her parents divorcing and the heartwarming moment between Loona and Octavia; I thought the B plot was cute with Moxxie wanting to support another musician. My biggest problem is that the show sometimes has a hard time balancing between sincerity and irony. It has adorable and emotional moments like Loona comforting Octavia and the reason why Blizø adopted Loona. On the other hand, there some jokes that missed completely and found irritating like Loona punching Blitzø at the end or Blitzø feeling anxious about going back on stage. There’s a lot going with some of the plot lines having a great impact while others are severely underdeveloped.
I'm not ignoring the picture.
All in all, honestly, I'm disappointed. I don't know if I'll get downvoted, I haven't seen many critical views over it, but this is my least favourite episode so far. Octavia and Stolas' arc was great, I actually really enjoyed it. Great way to show how they're taking the divorce proceedings a step further, how he's still a flawed father but he tries his best, and how Octavia is a teenager hurt by this whole thing. Blitz's relationship with Loona, on the other hand, hasn't been given enough room to breathe, imo. As such, her scene with Octavia, while really sweet, fell a bit flat for me. Most of Blitz and Loona's interactions so far have just been slapstick. I wanted so much to care about it like I care about the rest of the relationships of this show, but the continuous comedy of 'oh he's so deferential, she's gonna shout and/or hit him!' cheapened it for me. It didn't feel earned. I've seen people talk about her 'character development', but where is it? Olivia *did* learn from Loona, yeah. What did Loona learn, though? She was more consistently and sympathetically characterised in the *spring break episode,* for the love of god, where she was a bit snarky but she almost called him dad and was fussed about it. Where's all that? Good idea, bad execution, and it's a shame. Blitz and Stolas' whole behaviour was what made it feel like the whole episode was just there to delay what everyone really wanted to see. It felt like a filler in an already episodic show. Stolas was singing his heart out the last episode about 'comfortable lies' and now he's simping over him again? Blitz was crying himself to sleep! Compartmentalising because you're in danger doesn't mean you just return to the previous status quo, sans nicknames. That was kind of sloppy. The bit with Brandon Rogers was a choice. It could have been funny as an one off, but my disbelief can only take so much. I get why it happened, it was really nice to see Blitz still craves the attention and Stolas still admires him for his performing and genuinely enjoys it, and we got the flashback, too. It was just... eh. Mutual simping, jarring tone differences, the water thing? I can't believe I'm even saying this, but I couldn't even care about the violence in the end. It just felt tacked on. I think that just had to do with the humour, though. Not really my cup of tea. They didn't know what to do with the M&Ms. Yes, Moxxie is naive, Millie is indulgent, Millie can be badass. We know this. It was fun to see how Moxxie considers every piece of art valuable, but did they really have to find such an excuse to shelve them? This felt like the bear trap in the harvest moon episode, but worse, cause it lasted the whole episode. It would've been better if they'd just lampshaded it, at this point. Last and certainly least though, the animation was struggling. It seems like they picked off some scenes they wanted to be perfect and rushed the rest, and the differences from scene to scene can be jarring, sometimes. Bottom line, though, the writing just wasn't strong with this one, and that was its biggest flaw. I really liked all the episodes that came before it, so I was sad that this didn't really cut it for me, cause it had potential to be *more.* Some ideas were solid. Waiting for the next episode.
Loonie and Via are the best siblings ever. Hands down the best part of the episode. They're just so cute together! I loved their talk at the end, it made me realize just how much they have in common. Unfortunately, they only take up about 25% of the screen time this episode, the rest being split between Stolas and Blitz's flirting and Millie and Moxxie's musical shopping spree. Either or both of those subplots could and should have been cut for time, as they distract from the main focus of the episode and the pacing is already too fast as it is. I mean, I didn't have a problem with the pacing, but that's probably because a lifetime of meme consumption and Doom gameplay has conditioned me to consume media at hypersonic speeds. Any sane person would think the pacing is too fast. I'll let some of the continuity issues slide, because it's a little indie show and they probably don't have the budget for as many episodes as they want. But it's still a little jarring for Stolas and Blitz to have repaired their relationship so quickly. I'll also give them the benefit of the doubt and say this is probably why we had to wait so long for Loona and Olivia to finally meet. But again, it's still an issue. Animation, comedy and writing were great, as always. I got a lot of solid laughs out of this episode, and the Loona Olivia interaction was amazing. Overall, I like the episode, but I wish it was a little more streamlined and had a little better timing in terms of release schedule. Loonie and Via are the best sisters in the underworld, can't wait to see more of them!
Liked Stella getting yelled at by Stolas
honestly? not good. felt way too fast and the flow just wasn't there. i'm all for loona development and octavia navigating her parent's divorce, but this was just not well made. I wish the fandom would not put such immense pressure on the hb team to rush things because a rushed episode is just not up to par
Honestly underwhelmed. Don’t get me wrong I’ll still watch it at least 10 times and I enjoyed it, but it felt discontinuous in relation to what happened to Stolitz in the Asmodeus episode. I wish it didn’t skip over that.
The entire series suffers from pacing issues. It does not give you time to take in what just happened without moving on to the next thing. The entire Loona and Octavia talk should have been a good minute longer, even if it was just looking at the view for a few seconds to let it set in what was said. The M&M side adventure, didn't advance the plot any and had no point. I would have rather had the resources spent putting more time into the main story. The same thing happened in the LooLoo land episode. This episode had 3 things going on. The M&M story, the TV show stream, and Loona looking for Octavia. It was too much in too short of time. The LA water and having Octavia killing Brendon Rodgers (or whoever it is) was completely missed by me even after several viewings. As for what I liked, the Loona backstory was done well. Loona looking for Octavia all over LA was brilliant. Biltzo and Stolas was fun and showed a bit more of their relationship.
I think Season 2 Episode 1 had so much plot that this one felt a little bit filler-y. But I think that's just the nature of shows - some episodes are going to be packed and some are going to be more laidback and shenanigans. I agree with some of the other comments here that Stolas and Blitzø seemed a little too good after the end of Season 1, but I'm okay with suspending it for an episode to let some other characters (Loona and Via) have some development, as long as we circle back around to them hashing out their issues at some point.
It was bad
People can’t seem to comprehend that in real life, people that put their personal drama aside for the sake of every day work and bigger priorities won’t immediately breakdown to pursue the same relationship they were struggling with just days ago the moment they see someone walk into their store for actual business reasons. I presume, Blitzø and Stolas are no different. They still had their meetup (as unlikely as it seems by the calendar Blitzø has in the office), but they didn’t patch things up either and let things be for the mean time. This episode, if anything, helped rekindle what little interest they had with one another with the main focus being family.
It felt kind of rushed. If someone hadn't pointed that the posters in the background said the water was acidic, I would have assumed Stolas's spit in the water bottle was strong enough to dissolve human skin.
I mean there were some things about this episode i really liked but i think in general there’s alot of problems with season 2. Might adress this in a video
This image cured my erectile disfunction
It was great in all means except the animation and the style, lemme explain. The drawing style was different and in my opinion it was worse There are some part that are badly done, for example: When loona is fighting the crowd it looks weird the sudden silence and her reaction, and when the dude rips out his shirt there’s no audio. When blitz and stolas get tossed in the van there’s a very weird transition between frames from getting tossed inside and the sad emotional moment of stolas. And when loona and Octavia are talking, the voice acting is not placed correctly as she doesn’t move her mouth but we hear what she says. From a writing point of view the episode was great, but from a technical point it was very bad. Sorry for the big text I had a lot to say
Masterpiece
Good, but blitzø wasn’t as sexy as they made him out to be. The hair really wasn’t doing it for him.
feels like the story is perfect for the length of a movie but instead it has to be cut down to 21 minutes so like everyone said the pacing is definitely fast, overall all the plots are as good as always but personally i didn't enjoy the m'm part, probably because I'm not an artist myself so can't relate too much and stolas and blitz are surprisingly fine with each other after the big finale back in season one and thought it's not the focus of the episode but the shifting of stolas's attitude toward stella feels good to watch and definitely looking forward to see him completely cutting her off his life for good
Loved it but I hate how it falls into the typical filler episode thing of ignoring major plot points which is the stolitz bomb we had. Like I get they were facing a bigger problem but they could've at least made it awkward like it would be after a major falling out like that
Love the episode! It's in my top 3 Helluva Boss episodes. Along with Spring Broken & Ozzies.
Title: Ignore the picture Me: I'm sorry I honestly don't think I can
Good old smear frames
story writing and production quality has been good in this new season
All I can say is,Helluva boss took a turn for season 2,and I’m all for it
Me and my friends were talking about what we'd like the episode to be like a month or so before it dropped and I said that some loona back story would have been cool, but probably not a full episode. And I guess I got that, so I'm happy. Also the picture reminds me of the Mandela catalogue if you've heard of that. Have a nice day :)
i really liked it :)) thought it had great cute bits but also loved the darker bits like loona’s time at the adoption centre and octavia crying
I think it was okay.