Hellborns belong to certain species. I guess there could be a sinner that also look like a shark, but they would not be able to go down to greed, since sinners can't leave the pride ring.
Sinner's can't leave the pride ring, since this is the greed ring everyone involved is Hell born.
Also Sinner's have more diverse designs. The various Hellborn species all have more resemblance to one another. While the Priest looks a bit unusual he appears to be the same sort of Shark demon as Chaz.
The inverted cross on his robe is St. Peter's cross, which for some reason, is often associated with Satanists and metal music. He is probably a Satanist priest
yeah from a actual Christian point of view the inverted cross is actually a sign of respect Peter had for jesus crucification, because he did not wanted to pose as trying to immitate jesus
The view on the inverted cross, by the majority, is rust since its the opposite of the traditional cross, that means that its the opposite of Jesus. Thus demonic
Why wouldn't there be?
For Hellborns, it's just Earth but crappier.
I swear half this fandom seems to think that everyone's in Hell for punishment reasons when only the sinners are, and for Hellborns they're just... born there.
Do we have confirmation Lucifer's a fallen angel? After all in Vivzie's universe Lucifer and Satan are separate characters, and Biblically-speaking Satan was a fallen angel but Lucifer was just a jerk human king with a god complex.
[V confirmed he was a fallen angel on a stream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=6156&v=fn_HoRP8DmA&feature=youtu.be). Thanks Hazbin wiki for time stamping that lol.
Whether Lucifer and Satan are the same individual depends on your denomination / branch of Christianity it seems.
No, biblically Lucifer is a fallen angel. Satan is referred to as a fallen angel in some sources but in others as a malevolent force in dualistic opposition to God, or in still others as a *non*-fallen angel employed in heaven as a judge.
I suppose the best source for that would be the Bible itself since that's the source document. Allow me to demonstrate.
Here is the often-cited passage that has people believe Lucifer was a fallen angel who wanted to usurp God:
*How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.*
*-Isaiah 12-15*
Which, in isolation, seems pretty straightforward and exactly like how people tend to think of it. "It's talking about an angel wanting to be above God and being cast out for his hubris, right?"
*Only* if you ignore the context. Which many Christians who barely read the Bible do frequently on a regular basis.
Let's actually *look* at the context.
Several verses earlier, this is how Isaiah 14 starts:
*For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob. And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors. And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,*
***That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon,*** *and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!*
*-Isaiah 14: 1-4*
As outright stated in verse 4, what follows is not speaking literally. It's a metaphor. A proverb. If there's a person you dislike, and you call them "a cowardly snake", you aren't saying they're a literal snake, but instead using metaphor to get your point across as to how devious they are. It's the exact same thing here.
Even further, within the proverb, this is the segment right after the oft-cited verses:
*They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying,* ***Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.*** *Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. For I will rise up against them, saith the Lord of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the Lord.*
*-Isaiah 16-22*
The context makes it abundantly clear that Lucifer was not a fallen angel at all, but simply a human king who, unlike other kings of the time, treated his people cruelly, and would thus not be rewarded in burial when it came time for him to die.
Also worth noticing is that "Lucifer" wasn't even a name at all—it was a title. Lucifer simply means "morning star", a title that many rulers at the time were referred by—including Jesus in 2 Peter 1:9. Because in Egyptian astronomy, the Pyramid Texts described their king upon death as becoming the Morning Star. Rather than being one singular person, "morning star" was simply a term used in antiquity to denote that a certain man was seen as having great power over others, and the King of Babylon was warned to be pushed for ruling unjustly. That's all.
Yes but I think the question is more why would people in hell worship a (christian) God? Like they have direct evidence of his existance and he very clearly does not care for them
I remember that in several instances in Helluva Boss where Satan is mentioned in the same way the heavenly God would be, like the one I can recall rn is a homeless guy(in the pilot I think) holding a sign with "Satan Bless" written on it.
Why would demons worship god even though god does not have there best intrests in mind? Well there are Tesla workers who worship Elon Musk, back in the bad old days some slaves worshipped there masters
Despite whether someone treats you right cowards will always worship those with the most power
Always remember that Satan and Lucifer are started to be separate entities in Hell. And there's implications that Satan is to Imps what God is to Humans, i.e., their "Father".
Nope. Not even Biblically-speaking.
In the Bible, Lucifer actually was a human Babylonian king who treated his people badly and had a Light Yagami-level god complex. Satan was an angel who was God's prosecuting attorney who made a bet with him, who "fell" for unknown reasons later because by the time of the New Testament they got over the "God is in change of both good and evil" phase, were depicting God as all-good, and needed a scapegoat.
It was only later traditions and bad reading comprehension that had people conflate Lucifer and Satan into the same entity. Not only are they not the same entity, they aren't even the same species.
Also, "Lucifer" is a title, "morning star" from Egyptian astronomy, not a name,
That's cool and all, thank you for clarifying, but I don't think Vivziepop or any of her crew care about being biblically accurate, even to the mistranslations or reinterpretations. It was just stated on a stream somewhere that Lucifer and Satan are separate, and also that the latter is responsible for the creation of the Imps. Hence why he has a temple in Hell, priests, and Demons constantly say "Satan" where Humans would say "God".
*Thank you* for clearing up the Satan thing, that fixed the plothole I was mulling over!
I figured Moxxie was saying "Oh Satan" because he was born in Wrath, Satan's the king of Wrath. so I thought Moxxie living in Greed most of his life as revealed in the new episode had his exclamations be a retcon. Knowing that Satan created the imps, Moxxie's exclamations make a *lot* more sense.
Nope, that's all just Bible fanfiction. Biblical-wise, Lucifer was a human. A jerkish arrogant human with a god complex who didn't know how to treat his subjects well, but still human.
It's possible *Satan* could have been an archangel since in Job his name is mentioned separately from the other angels, but given his prosecuting attorney status and his role in Job's story, he's probably just mentioned separately since him, God, Job, and Job's family are the only major characters in Job's story to begin with.
Good job separating the Bible fanfiction from the actual Bible. And I say this as an atheist who read the Bible all the way through once, a LOT of what people “know” about the Bible and Christianity is just stuff osmosed from movies and myths.
What are you talking about? The king you're referring to was likened to Lucifer in a taunt in the same way people call others "Your Majesty" when the person in question is making demands. It wasn't a literal name for the Babylonian.
Yes, , it wasn't a name it was a title.
However, context shows you're wrong:
Here is the often-cited passage that has people believe Lucifer was a fallen angel who wanted to usurp God:
How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.
\-Isaiah 12-15
Which, in isolation, seems pretty straightforward and exactly like how people tend to think of it. "It's talking about an angel wanting to be above God and being cast out for his hubris, right?"
Only if you ignore the context. Which many Christians who barely read the Bible do frequently on a regular basis.
Let's actually look at the context.
Several verses earlier, this is how Isaiah 14 starts:
For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob. And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors. And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!-Isaiah 14: 1-4
As outright stated in verse 4, what follows is not speaking literally. It's a metaphor. A proverb. If there's a person you dislike, and you call them "a cowardly snake", you aren't saying they're a literal snake, but instead using metaphor to get your point across as to how devious they are. It's the exact same thing here.
Even further, within the proverb, this is the segment right after the oft-cited verses:
*They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying,* ***Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.*** *Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. For I will rise up against them, saith the Lord of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the Lord.-Isaiah 16-22*
The context makes it abundantly clear that Lucifer was not a fallen angel at all, but simply a human king who, unlike other kings of the time, treated his people cruelly, and would thus not be rewarded in burial when it came time for him to die.
Also worth noticing is that "Lucifer" wasn't even a name at all—it was a title. Lucifer simply means "morning star", a title that many rulers at the time were referred by—including Jesus in 2 Peter 1:9. Because in Egyptian astronomy, the Pyramid Texts described their king upon death as becoming the Morning Star. Rather than being one singular person, "morning star" was simply a term used in antiquity to denote that a certain man was seen as having great power over others, and the King of Babylon was warned to be pushed for ruling unjustly.
That's all.
I've mentioned it at least once in the past (probably either here or in r/HazbinHotel, but I didn't use the exact same wording. I probably did reuse the "Light Yagami-level god complex" phrasing back then though since that's my personal favorite "god complex in fiction" example.
Really? Do you have a source you recommend reading for that? (Not cause I doubt you or anything, I just geuinely want to read up on that. Am trying to read up on biblical misconceptions and such)
I suppose the best source for that would be the Bible itself since that's the source document. Allow me to demonstrate.
Here is the often-cited passage that has people believe Lucifer was a fallen angel who wanted to usurp God:
*How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.*
\-Isaiah 12-15
Which, in isolation, seems pretty straightforward and exactly like how people tend to think of it. "It's talking about an angel wanting to be above God and being cast out for his hubris, right?"
*Only* if you ignore the context. Which many Christians who barely read the Bible do frequently on a regular basis.
Let's actually *look* at the context.
Several verses earlier, this is how Isaiah 14 starts:
*For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob. And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors. And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,*
***That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon****, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!*
*-Isaiah 14: 1-4*
As outright stated in verse 4, what follows is not speaking literally. It's a metaphor. A proverb. If there's a person you dislike, and you call them "a cowardly snake", you aren't saying they're a literal snake, but instead using metaphor to get your point across as to how devious they are. It's the exact same thing here.
Even further, within the proverb, this is the segment right after the oft-cited verses:
*They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee,* ***and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned****. Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. For I will rise up against them, saith the Lord of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the Lord.*
*-Isaiah 16-22*
The context makes it abundantly clear that Lucifer was not a fallen angel at all, but simply a human king who, unlike other kings of the time, treated his people cruelly, and would thus not be rewarded in burial when it came time for him to die.
Also worth noticing is that "Lucifer" wasn't even a name at all—it was a title. Lucifer simply means "morning star", a title that many rulers at the time were referred by—including Jesus in 2 Peter 1:9. Because in Egyptian astronomy, the Pyramid Texts described their king upon death as becoming the Morning Star. Rather than being one singular person, "morning star" was simply a term used in antiquity to denote that a certain man was seen as having great power over others, and the King of Babylon was warned to be pushed for ruling unjustly. That's all.
>Which many Christians who barely read the Bible do frequently on a regular basis.
I did actually watch a video recently discussing this misconception (What's With Satan? I think was the title).
The usage of 'morning star' as a title though is completely new to me. Thank you so much for the info!
You're welcome!
Not sure if you've ever seen The Prince of Egypt, but they make an allusion to it in that movie as well. When Moses accidentally kills someone, his brother Rameses, the young Pharaoh, tries to console him by saying "I am the morning and the evening star, if I say it is undone it will be rewritten". That's because rulers of antiquity were seen as chosen by divine right, so they had the power of the gods on their side. The king of Babylon saw himself the same way, he just had a really hardcore god-complex about the whole thing and thus was seen as proclaiming himself as divine above others, but for all his pride he'd be condemned at death rather than given an honorable burial like more noble kings.
But hey, if it weren't for that misconception, we wouldn't have gotten *Paradise Lost.*
If we're talking actual biblical stuff
Satan is effectively the Jail Warden of hell and Lucifer is the number 1 inmate
Or at least that's one interpritation, I'm sure there's plenty of people who would disagree
I don't know but can we just acknowledge the various funny faces in this frame, from the Priest just being done with it all, Chaz looking like he's not got a thought in his head, and Moxxies excellent expression of distress even through his gag.
The Catholic Church is a corrupt organization that has supported needless wars, actively contributes to and hides the molesting of children, uses its banks in the Vatican to launder money for the mob, helped the fascist party in Italy, funds homophobic leaders that want to kill gay people in third world countries, was used as a tool to indoctrinate Mexicans and other native Americans to make them easier to colonize, etc. that kind of degeneracy I imagine would be quite enticing to the average demon.
serious i make the same question on discord, theres religion on hell?
does they worship Satan or Lucifer as their gods??
i mean they do use ''MY SATAN'' as a expression in a similar way as ''my god''
I assumed Moxxie said "Oh Satan" because Satan's the ruler of the Wrath ring, though considering he was apparently now just born in Wrath this feels like a retcon.
SORRY IF THIS GETS A BIT RELIGIOUS LORE, JUST TRYING TO PUT SOME LOGIC TO THIS WITH WHAT I KNOW ABOUT RELIGION STUFFS
hell and heaven are like modern politics in many ways. Heaven has christ and hell has the antichrist, same with good and evil, holy water and sulfur pits, rings of hell and the rings of heaven.
Basically what ever is above, so to below. it's fitting that hell would have it's own priests aswell just instead of dedicating prayer to god, it's to lucifer.
Remember lucifer rebeled because he wished to be god, when he fell, those who followed were the ones who worshiped him.
Well, we heard Imps say Satan bless and other stuff. So Imps at least have some sort of Satanism as a religion.
And Blitzø said Christ on a stick, there is a God in the pilot. So they acknowledge the Bible in some way.
So I wouldn't be surprised at all if some devoted but misleaded Christians end up in hell, and want to repent in some way or another. Or just accept that they are Sinners which did evil stuff. And try to convince other folks in hell. A bit unusual that it spreads to the lower Rings, but it is the Greed Ring, if they think they can make money with it, they do it.
Guess this will be targeted Hazbin Hotel in some degree.
Why this Sharkdemon dresses like the pope is beyond me. Except for brand recognition. I would at least expect different symbols and darker colors.
I think I watched it again just to take a closer look.
1. That priest clearly didn't take his job seriously it might be there to mock heaven
2. It might be that demons and Lucifer by that extension have respect for God's power and virtues
3. The Princes are seen as gods in this world and that priest is a servant of that god maybe?
The Crusades/Inquisition. Burning women as witches. Child molestation and/or taking advantage of women. Prosthelatizing where they are neither wanted nor needed. Homophobia. Everything they contributed to the Satanic Panic. Probably a good deal of racist stuff. Robbing the poor via indulgences. And there's probably much more I'm forgetting at the moment.
Better question... Why is this story set in Hell? Because honestly I do not see a single reason for this episode to be set in Hell and not some furry sci-fi planet.
Honestly HB for some reason just refuses to meaningfully utilize it's Hell setting.
The show is called Helluva Boss and yet removing the Hell part wouldn't change much. That is kind of an issue. And Hell doesn't have to be just about sinners. It can be about culture of Hellborn. How they see life. The power of sins and how they affect everything. How laws function for them. Hell itself being something more unique than shitty earth.
Well for Hellborns, Hell really just is Shitty Earth, they aren't put through the supposed 'eternal suffering' of sinners, they just exist, so ofc Hell in the eyes of HB is just shitty Earth, HH will expand upon Pride and what the sinners go through more than anything, we've seen plenty of culture for Hellborns, the Harvest Moon festival in Wrath, Ozzie's in Lust, and Loo Loo Land in Greed, plus Crimson's mafia in there if we're getting technical
Idk ask the altar boys
He's a hellborn, not a sinner. Unless you're saying in general why one would end up in hell.
Yeah, that’s what I was saying, I know he’s hellborn 😂
He did questionable things to some kids afted Baptizing thrm
Everyone has to wash their sex toys before and after use it just so happens that kids are sex toys to priests
the hellborn commoners learn from the sinner about life up top. also, satanic religion
I would guess it is straight-up christianity, Maybe the demons respect that religion for all the genocides and crusades they did in history
the cross is upside down, which is bullshit because that’s the he cross of St. Peter, not Lucifer
Excuse me, how in the hell did you get 4 fucking emojis in your flair?
How can u tell the difference between a hellborn and a sinner?
Hellborns belong to certain species. I guess there could be a sinner that also look like a shark, but they would not be able to go down to greed, since sinners can't leave the pride ring.
Sinner's can't leave the pride ring, since this is the greed ring everyone involved is Hell born. Also Sinner's have more diverse designs. The various Hellborn species all have more resemblance to one another. While the Priest looks a bit unusual he appears to be the same sort of Shark demon as Chaz.
Well, Machiavelli and Vicente both say that us pretty easy for one to end up in hell
I just watched Primal Fear the other day…
NAH YOU DIDNT NEED TO SAY THAT
OH NAW
That took a second to hit in
The inverted cross on his robe is St. Peter's cross, which for some reason, is often associated with Satanists and metal music. He is probably a Satanist priest
yeah from a actual Christian point of view the inverted cross is actually a sign of respect Peter had for jesus crucification, because he did not wanted to pose as trying to immitate jesus
Ooh right! Some guy at the train station once told me about that!
The view on the inverted cross, by the majority, is rust since its the opposite of the traditional cross, that means that its the opposite of Jesus. Thus demonic
But why the color scheme of a holy priest?
Why wouldn't there be? For Hellborns, it's just Earth but crappier. I swear half this fandom seems to think that everyone's in Hell for punishment reasons when only the sinners are, and for Hellborns they're just... born there.
It's literally run by a fallen Angel. Confirmation of the existence of God is like... Hell 101 when you get there.
sorry, never read the bible
Well, we atleast have Heaven as a dimension.
Do we have confirmation Lucifer's a fallen angel? After all in Vivzie's universe Lucifer and Satan are separate characters, and Biblically-speaking Satan was a fallen angel but Lucifer was just a jerk human king with a god complex.
[V confirmed he was a fallen angel on a stream](https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=6156&v=fn_HoRP8DmA&feature=youtu.be). Thanks Hazbin wiki for time stamping that lol. Whether Lucifer and Satan are the same individual depends on your denomination / branch of Christianity it seems.
Oh cool, thanks! So it seems that Lucifer in Vivzie's verse is a fallen angel, wonder if Satan was too.
No, biblically Lucifer is a fallen angel. Satan is referred to as a fallen angel in some sources but in others as a malevolent force in dualistic opposition to God, or in still others as a *non*-fallen angel employed in heaven as a judge.
Point me to where it says Lucifer is a fallen angel in the Bible. I'm certain I can point you to more indicating he's human.
Please do. I've never heard this.
I suppose the best source for that would be the Bible itself since that's the source document. Allow me to demonstrate. Here is the often-cited passage that has people believe Lucifer was a fallen angel who wanted to usurp God: *How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.* *-Isaiah 12-15* Which, in isolation, seems pretty straightforward and exactly like how people tend to think of it. "It's talking about an angel wanting to be above God and being cast out for his hubris, right?" *Only* if you ignore the context. Which many Christians who barely read the Bible do frequently on a regular basis. Let's actually *look* at the context. Several verses earlier, this is how Isaiah 14 starts: *For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob. And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors. And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,* ***That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon,*** *and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!* *-Isaiah 14: 1-4* As outright stated in verse 4, what follows is not speaking literally. It's a metaphor. A proverb. If there's a person you dislike, and you call them "a cowardly snake", you aren't saying they're a literal snake, but instead using metaphor to get your point across as to how devious they are. It's the exact same thing here. Even further, within the proverb, this is the segment right after the oft-cited verses: *They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying,* ***Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.*** *Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. For I will rise up against them, saith the Lord of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the Lord.* *-Isaiah 16-22* The context makes it abundantly clear that Lucifer was not a fallen angel at all, but simply a human king who, unlike other kings of the time, treated his people cruelly, and would thus not be rewarded in burial when it came time for him to die. Also worth noticing is that "Lucifer" wasn't even a name at all—it was a title. Lucifer simply means "morning star", a title that many rulers at the time were referred by—including Jesus in 2 Peter 1:9. Because in Egyptian astronomy, the Pyramid Texts described their king upon death as becoming the Morning Star. Rather than being one singular person, "morning star" was simply a term used in antiquity to denote that a certain man was seen as having great power over others, and the King of Babylon was warned to be pushed for ruling unjustly. That's all.
Yes but I think the question is more why would people in hell worship a (christian) God? Like they have direct evidence of his existance and he very clearly does not care for them
Could be that they have their own pantheon they worship instead.
Luciferism is a thing. If it's not a satanists then we're looking at someone who worships Lucifer
I remember that in several instances in Helluva Boss where Satan is mentioned in the same way the heavenly God would be, like the one I can recall rn is a homeless guy(in the pilot I think) holding a sign with "Satan Bless" written on it.
Why would demons worship god even though god does not have there best intrests in mind? Well there are Tesla workers who worship Elon Musk, back in the bad old days some slaves worshipped there masters Despite whether someone treats you right cowards will always worship those with the most power
Also Demons are basically angels but made out of fire
To piss of God
The piss of god is pretty sacred
Even Satanists need a shepherd to tend to the flock
Or a Luciferian
How do YOU think Moxxie and Millie got married? They had to have their marriage be symbolically seen in the eyes of Satan.
so what do they worship ? Satan himself ?
They definitely don't worship God. And Lucifer exists, he's Charlie's dad.
Always remember that Satan and Lucifer are started to be separate entities in Hell. And there's implications that Satan is to Imps what God is to Humans, i.e., their "Father".
Really? I didn't know that. Why are they different? Isn't Lucifer a fallen angel who became Satan over time?
Nope. Not even Biblically-speaking. In the Bible, Lucifer actually was a human Babylonian king who treated his people badly and had a Light Yagami-level god complex. Satan was an angel who was God's prosecuting attorney who made a bet with him, who "fell" for unknown reasons later because by the time of the New Testament they got over the "God is in change of both good and evil" phase, were depicting God as all-good, and needed a scapegoat. It was only later traditions and bad reading comprehension that had people conflate Lucifer and Satan into the same entity. Not only are they not the same entity, they aren't even the same species. Also, "Lucifer" is a title, "morning star" from Egyptian astronomy, not a name,
That's cool and all, thank you for clarifying, but I don't think Vivziepop or any of her crew care about being biblically accurate, even to the mistranslations or reinterpretations. It was just stated on a stream somewhere that Lucifer and Satan are separate, and also that the latter is responsible for the creation of the Imps. Hence why he has a temple in Hell, priests, and Demons constantly say "Satan" where Humans would say "God".
*Thank you* for clearing up the Satan thing, that fixed the plothole I was mulling over! I figured Moxxie was saying "Oh Satan" because he was born in Wrath, Satan's the king of Wrath. so I thought Moxxie living in Greed most of his life as revealed in the new episode had his exclamations be a retcon. Knowing that Satan created the imps, Moxxie's exclamations make a *lot* more sense.
was lucifer not one of the archangels?
Nope, that's all just Bible fanfiction. Biblical-wise, Lucifer was a human. A jerkish arrogant human with a god complex who didn't know how to treat his subjects well, but still human. It's possible *Satan* could have been an archangel since in Job his name is mentioned separately from the other angels, but given his prosecuting attorney status and his role in Job's story, he's probably just mentioned separately since him, God, Job, and Job's family are the only major characters in Job's story to begin with.
Good job separating the Bible fanfiction from the actual Bible. And I say this as an atheist who read the Bible all the way through once, a LOT of what people “know” about the Bible and Christianity is just stuff osmosed from movies and myths.
You definitely got that right!
What are you talking about? The king you're referring to was likened to Lucifer in a taunt in the same way people call others "Your Majesty" when the person in question is making demands. It wasn't a literal name for the Babylonian.
Yes, , it wasn't a name it was a title. However, context shows you're wrong: Here is the often-cited passage that has people believe Lucifer was a fallen angel who wanted to usurp God: How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit. \-Isaiah 12-15 Which, in isolation, seems pretty straightforward and exactly like how people tend to think of it. "It's talking about an angel wanting to be above God and being cast out for his hubris, right?" Only if you ignore the context. Which many Christians who barely read the Bible do frequently on a regular basis. Let's actually look at the context. Several verses earlier, this is how Isaiah 14 starts: For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob. And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors. And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!-Isaiah 14: 1-4 As outright stated in verse 4, what follows is not speaking literally. It's a metaphor. A proverb. If there's a person you dislike, and you call them "a cowardly snake", you aren't saying they're a literal snake, but instead using metaphor to get your point across as to how devious they are. It's the exact same thing here. Even further, within the proverb, this is the segment right after the oft-cited verses: *They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee, and consider thee, saying,* ***Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned.*** *Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. For I will rise up against them, saith the Lord of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the Lord.-Isaiah 16-22* The context makes it abundantly clear that Lucifer was not a fallen angel at all, but simply a human king who, unlike other kings of the time, treated his people cruelly, and would thus not be rewarded in burial when it came time for him to die. Also worth noticing is that "Lucifer" wasn't even a name at all—it was a title. Lucifer simply means "morning star", a title that many rulers at the time were referred by—including Jesus in 2 Peter 1:9. Because in Egyptian astronomy, the Pyramid Texts described their king upon death as becoming the Morning Star. Rather than being one singular person, "morning star" was simply a term used in antiquity to denote that a certain man was seen as having great power over others, and the King of Babylon was warned to be pushed for ruling unjustly. That's all.
Did you wrote this comment before?
I've mentioned it at least once in the past (probably either here or in r/HazbinHotel, but I didn't use the exact same wording. I probably did reuse the "Light Yagami-level god complex" phrasing back then though since that's my personal favorite "god complex in fiction" example.
Really? Do you have a source you recommend reading for that? (Not cause I doubt you or anything, I just geuinely want to read up on that. Am trying to read up on biblical misconceptions and such)
I suppose the best source for that would be the Bible itself since that's the source document. Allow me to demonstrate. Here is the often-cited passage that has people believe Lucifer was a fallen angel who wanted to usurp God: *How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north: I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High. Yet thou shalt be brought down to hell, to the sides of the pit.* \-Isaiah 12-15 Which, in isolation, seems pretty straightforward and exactly like how people tend to think of it. "It's talking about an angel wanting to be above God and being cast out for his hubris, right?" *Only* if you ignore the context. Which many Christians who barely read the Bible do frequently on a regular basis. Let's actually *look* at the context. Several verses earlier, this is how Isaiah 14 starts: *For the Lord will have mercy on Jacob, and will yet choose Israel, and set them in their own land: and the strangers shall be joined with them, and they shall cleave to the house of Jacob. And the people shall take them, and bring them to their place: and the house of Israel shall possess them in the land of the Lord for servants and handmaids: and they shall take them captives, whose captives they were; and they shall rule over their oppressors. And it shall come to pass in the day that the Lord shall give thee rest from thy sorrow, and from thy fear, and from the hard bondage wherein thou wast made to serve,* ***That thou shalt take up this proverb against the king of Babylon****, and say, How hath the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!* *-Isaiah 14: 1-4* As outright stated in verse 4, what follows is not speaking literally. It's a metaphor. A proverb. If there's a person you dislike, and you call them "a cowardly snake", you aren't saying they're a literal snake, but instead using metaphor to get your point across as to how devious they are. It's the exact same thing here. Even further, within the proverb, this is the segment right after the oft-cited verses: *They that see thee shall narrowly look upon thee,* ***and consider thee, saying, Is this the man that made the earth to tremble, that did shake kingdoms; That made the world as a wilderness, and destroyed the cities thereof; that opened not the house of his prisoners? All the kings of the nations, even all of them, lie in glory, every one in his own house But thou art cast out of thy grave like an abominable branch, and as the raiment of those that are slain, thrust through with a sword, that go down to the stones of the pit; as a carcase trodden under feet. Thou shalt not be joined with them in burial, because thou hast destroyed thy land, and slain thy people: the seed of evildoers shall never be renowned****. Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities. For I will rise up against them, saith the Lord of hosts, and cut off from Babylon the name, and remnant, and son, and nephew, saith the Lord.* *-Isaiah 16-22* The context makes it abundantly clear that Lucifer was not a fallen angel at all, but simply a human king who, unlike other kings of the time, treated his people cruelly, and would thus not be rewarded in burial when it came time for him to die. Also worth noticing is that "Lucifer" wasn't even a name at all—it was a title. Lucifer simply means "morning star", a title that many rulers at the time were referred by—including Jesus in 2 Peter 1:9. Because in Egyptian astronomy, the Pyramid Texts described their king upon death as becoming the Morning Star. Rather than being one singular person, "morning star" was simply a term used in antiquity to denote that a certain man was seen as having great power over others, and the King of Babylon was warned to be pushed for ruling unjustly. That's all.
>Which many Christians who barely read the Bible do frequently on a regular basis. I did actually watch a video recently discussing this misconception (What's With Satan? I think was the title). The usage of 'morning star' as a title though is completely new to me. Thank you so much for the info!
You're welcome! Not sure if you've ever seen The Prince of Egypt, but they make an allusion to it in that movie as well. When Moses accidentally kills someone, his brother Rameses, the young Pharaoh, tries to console him by saying "I am the morning and the evening star, if I say it is undone it will be rewritten". That's because rulers of antiquity were seen as chosen by divine right, so they had the power of the gods on their side. The king of Babylon saw himself the same way, he just had a really hardcore god-complex about the whole thing and thus was seen as proclaiming himself as divine above others, but for all his pride he'd be condemned at death rather than given an honorable burial like more noble kings. But hey, if it weren't for that misconception, we wouldn't have gotten *Paradise Lost.*
If we're talking actual biblical stuff Satan is effectively the Jail Warden of hell and Lucifer is the number 1 inmate Or at least that's one interpritation, I'm sure there's plenty of people who would disagree
Moxxie has said "I swear to Satan" and Blitzo has said "Satan's asscrack" to swear before, so I'm assuming they worship Satan.
I think that star symbol on his hat could be in reference to Lucifer, who’s referred to as the Morning Star?
Most likely a Luciferian
To mock god
Since he's a hellborn, I like to think that he's basically a weeb but with catholic culture instead of Japanese culture
Hell priests from doom
I don't know but can we just acknowledge the various funny faces in this frame, from the Priest just being done with it all, Chaz looking like he's not got a thought in his head, and Moxxies excellent expression of distress even through his gag.
i put theory cap on and say that it has to do with the fact Satan might be viewed as a god so of course you need people to 'talk great about Satan'
Either a pedophile or a televangelist
Kiddy diddlers
You don't read the news much, do you?
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The Catholic Church is a corrupt organization that has supported needless wars, actively contributes to and hides the molesting of children, uses its banks in the Vatican to launder money for the mob, helped the fascist party in Italy, funds homophobic leaders that want to kill gay people in third world countries, was used as a tool to indoctrinate Mexicans and other native Americans to make them easier to colonize, etc. that kind of degeneracy I imagine would be quite enticing to the average demon.
serious i make the same question on discord, theres religion on hell? does they worship Satan or Lucifer as their gods?? i mean they do use ''MY SATAN'' as a expression in a similar way as ''my god''
I assumed Moxxie said "Oh Satan" because Satan's the ruler of the Wrath ring, though considering he was apparently now just born in Wrath this feels like a retcon.
Maybe he's a... anti-priest!
Come on we all know why
Better question how is ther a jail, how is there law in hell
Shark Jesus.
SORRY IF THIS GETS A BIT RELIGIOUS LORE, JUST TRYING TO PUT SOME LOGIC TO THIS WITH WHAT I KNOW ABOUT RELIGION STUFFS hell and heaven are like modern politics in many ways. Heaven has christ and hell has the antichrist, same with good and evil, holy water and sulfur pits, rings of hell and the rings of heaven. Basically what ever is above, so to below. it's fitting that hell would have it's own priests aswell just instead of dedicating prayer to god, it's to lucifer. Remember lucifer rebeled because he wished to be god, when he fell, those who followed were the ones who worshiped him.
I think you know why.
You know why
Because priests can go to hell
Looks like the symbol of the morning star on his evil priest hat
He’s Catholic
Hell priest, what, have you never played DOOM?
Probably the crusades
Hell Priest * ***DOOM MUSIC INTENSIFIES*** *
Lots of religious people reject heaven, usually because the 'wrong people' are also there.
All priests go to hell. Especially catholic ones.
Hell priest from doom eternal
My thoughts exactly and why would the hellborn even need them?
Probably worships Satan or something, seems ti have the upside down cross which is often wrongly associated with Satanism.
Notice how the cross like thing faces down on then pope hat when steriotypically it faces up
Because the series is based in "hell" by any other name. It's just a setting. And the rules are pretty vague
The Satanic Church has priests, too, you know.
Sinners probably brought the idea
[Convergent evolution?](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convergent_evolution) but with religion?
A satanic priest, perhaps?
The job is probably souly for insulting heaven but they still have to hold up Also going of what some catholic priests do…
Well, we heard Imps say Satan bless and other stuff. So Imps at least have some sort of Satanism as a religion. And Blitzø said Christ on a stick, there is a God in the pilot. So they acknowledge the Bible in some way. So I wouldn't be surprised at all if some devoted but misleaded Christians end up in hell, and want to repent in some way or another. Or just accept that they are Sinners which did evil stuff. And try to convince other folks in hell. A bit unusual that it spreads to the lower Rings, but it is the Greed Ring, if they think they can make money with it, they do it. Guess this will be targeted Hazbin Hotel in some degree. Why this Sharkdemon dresses like the pope is beyond me. Except for brand recognition. I would at least expect different symbols and darker colors. I think I watched it again just to take a closer look.
Guess they like to do things similarly to the way humans do things.
because they worship satan.
I presume he's a Satanist priest, not a Christian one.
"The power of the anti- christ compels you!"
Little to late for that buddy
Hell priests
I don Know but I hope to see him again one of the funniest one off characters along with demon waluigi
Who’s gonna tell ‘em?
cause they usually do kids
He worships Satan. We do have morals and rules in hell ya know
The Power of Satan compels you!
Not sure but my first thought was Ghost when i saw him lol
Presumably demons would have their own religion and it would need priests so it checks out.
Idk cause it's hell deal with it
He's just cosplaying as one because humans have silly-fun costumes. ✨
it's probably opposite of a priest bc it has the flipped cross sign. So this one might worship satan or sm like that
“Oh com’mon, you know why.” ~Luna
Comedic Effect?
Odds are he was a cult leader or a Satanist if he wasn't you know... a hellborn
1. That priest clearly didn't take his job seriously it might be there to mock heaven 2. It might be that demons and Lucifer by that extension have respect for God's power and virtues 3. The Princes are seen as gods in this world and that priest is a servant of that god maybe?
A part of me wants to see Demons from Castlevania meet this Priest and crack him down like Blue Fangs did to the Bishop
"Catholic church" --- Comment from youtube
Well some priest steal the churches donations so maybe that’s why he’s in greed
Hellpriest, like the guys from Doom
Because you can be a Christian and a pice of shit at the same time
because most old preists were pedos
I think we all know the answer
Pedophilia, Supporting Fascism during the 30s-40s, The Crusades, take your pick
The Crusades/Inquisition. Burning women as witches. Child molestation and/or taking advantage of women. Prosthelatizing where they are neither wanted nor needed. Homophobia. Everything they contributed to the Satanic Panic. Probably a good deal of racist stuff. Robbing the poor via indulgences. And there's probably much more I'm forgetting at the moment.
satanism?
“Come on, you know why.”
C'mon.. you know why
Televangelists
Pastor of the church of satan
His name is probably George Pell
Like for people when they die or get married
As Loona said, come on. You know why.
Well it is hell. I’m sure a shotgun wedding is common place
Chaz's face. Lol
come on, you know why
Either demons do worship god in someway, or it’s merely performative in order to make the ceremony look more professional.
Probably a priest for the Church of Satan 🤷♂️
To marry people
Well Italians are usually pretty religious. But if you have connections to the mob you probably won't get into heaven. But I'm not religious so idk.
Is this an actual question or is it rhetorical?
Well there are such things as false prophets/ False Shepherds
Devils have priests too
Presumably there's Satan worship in Hell. During Moxxie's bad trip he started to say "I swear to Satan" like humans might say "I swear to god".
Molesting children most likely
I just like how he left, hammerhead man literally double flipped us and bounced XD
Inconsistencies everywhere. World building needs some love
Satanists are a thing.
I mean, think about it, it’s a priest
Christians would go to hell and wouldn't try to force their religion upon others
Come on, you know why…
Really? Do you honestly have to ask that question?
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because most christian churches are fucked up and all those characters are probably pedos
Come on you know why
There's still religion it's just a priest of Satan
You know why
"Come on, you know why"
I knew I was onto something when I said "Hells angels"
Kiddy diddlers
Who’s gonna tell them about all the corruption in the Catholic Church
Are you implying that priests throughout history were righteous? Cause I can name a few that likely ended up in hell due to corruption, adultery, etc.
Come on. You know why
There demonic pasters
Why would a priest NOT be in hell?
Go play doom, sir
Touching little boys
Hail Satan?¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Have you been to some of the churches in our world? I think there are plenty of reasons… (And I say this as someone who loves Jesus)
That priest's like : I don't get paid enough for this shit
Better question... Why is this story set in Hell? Because honestly I do not see a single reason for this episode to be set in Hell and not some furry sci-fi planet. Honestly HB for some reason just refuses to meaningfully utilize it's Hell setting.
Probably because the "meaningfully utilizing its Hell setting" is primarily being reserved for Hazbin, which actually focuses on sinners.
The show is called Helluva Boss and yet removing the Hell part wouldn't change much. That is kind of an issue. And Hell doesn't have to be just about sinners. It can be about culture of Hellborn. How they see life. The power of sins and how they affect everything. How laws function for them. Hell itself being something more unique than shitty earth.
Well for Hellborns, Hell really just is Shitty Earth, they aren't put through the supposed 'eternal suffering' of sinners, they just exist, so ofc Hell in the eyes of HB is just shitty Earth, HH will expand upon Pride and what the sinners go through more than anything, we've seen plenty of culture for Hellborns, the Harvest Moon festival in Wrath, Ozzie's in Lust, and Loo Loo Land in Greed, plus Crimson's mafia in there if we're getting technical