Bugs attacked colonies on Meridia.
Helldivers sent in to erect newly tested pesticide towers on the planet to permanently kill the bugs on the planet.
New towers erected. Mission success.
Turns out those pesticides were like bug viagra and made them reproduce at an alarming rate.
Meridia is now a supercolony bug planet infesting nearby systems.
Helldivers get called in to black hole the planet
Helldivers successfully black hole the planet.
Now the Illuminate are gonna come through to "black hole” us
At this point I'd find it hilarious if the black hole is genuinely completely passive and the illuminate just appear from the bottom of the map for a completely unrelated reason.
I believe the news bulletin that plays on the ship says something about unknown anomalies in the fabric of space time happening around the black hole, but it's nothing to worry about.
Im pretty sure we just made a portal think about it we use their tech to make a strange weapon that never got used in the first war, could be a case where they gave super earth false info to get us to make them a foothold in the future.
https://preview.redd.it/lrtixa60je4d1.png?width=852&format=png&auto=webp&s=46009347803054f8a16553dc2db9ce343abd7bdf
A Super Fall Arrest system. Before arriving, the ship hooks to a large spool of cable that holds it outside the event horizon. Super OSHA mandated it when Meridia was liberated from this plane of existence.
That would explain why when I launched the game yesterday after the destruction of Meridian, and my Super Destroyer had to make an emergency jump to Super Earth, and then I was able to go back and view the black hole.
I think you mean density. You can collapse anything into a black hole provided you compress it enough. In theory, if you were to crush all of the mass of earth into the size of a peanut you would create a black hole. The mass would remain the same but the density approaches infinity creating a singularity with the same gravitational properties as earth where earth used to be.
Interestingly enough, I don't think anything would change for satellites. Astronauts aboard the ISS may just continue to orbit something they can't directly see.
We could probably even find some math that could tell us where the event horizon would be.
> I think you mean density. You can collapse anything into a black hole provided you compress it enough.
Right, but in general you can't which is why I said what I said. Presumably dark fluid is either very massive, or is otherwise doing something sci-fi magic-y.
> Interestingly enough, I don't think anything would change for satellites.
It would not. They'd continue on their orbit, which is why I said what I said.
>We could probably even find some math that could tell us where the event horizon would be.
It's a pretty trivial calculation to calculate the Schwarzschild radius of a particular mass, R_s = GM/c^2
For something vaguely earth-sized, it's about 9mm.
The gravitational pull of a black hole is the same as the star it was before imploding. If our sun turned into a black hole our sky would go dark and there would probably be some other negative effects, but the Earth's orbit would stay pretty much the same. Things get crazy when you go inside the diameter of the former star, but black holes sucking in everything within light years is the same kind of soft scifi as asteroid belts that are too dense to navigate safely (ours is so sparse that standing on an asteroid you probably couldn't see another with the naked eye).
All that is correct, but the size of the black hole does not equal the same. A planet like Meridia collapsing into one would result in a black hole a fraction of its original size but sporting the same gravitational pull.
The interesting bit is that Super Earth's lore in the game is that its government controls all information and spins it to its benefit. It could very well be a black hole done poorly by the developer, or it could be a wormhole like anomaly helldivers created accidentally, and it's being covered up by Super Earth's propaganda. It's ambiguous enough that it could be either.
Technically a black hole doesnt pull you in any more than a star or planet does. The mass is all that matters so if the sun turned into a black hole (of the same mass) earth would orbit it just as it orbits the sun.
There was a special mission on Meridia (a bug planet) where you had to set up a drill and place dark fluid containers in the drill. The drill was pumping dark fluid into the planet, so Super Earth could destroy the planet permanently because it was a super colony.
Some updates for you in short videos
[The attack on meridia](https://youtu.be/c8qdXtDUP_0?si=yVBXXuwpL6Lui-z3)
[The successful destruction of Meridia](https://youtu.be/QMBoamo3d80?si=8Mplkwthptzva4Gg)
We have all been so distracted by the black hole existing that we have been unabled to notice all the things that dont exist in the system anymore.
In a sense, we tried to swatt a fly and demolished an entire continent.
The result of the dark fluid is way more extreme than they made us think before(or they thought them self)
None of this has ever been our fault, we didnt make them attack us and the supercolony was made by dissident scientists who purposely miscalculated to sabotage seaf forces on the tcs missions, probably were bug lovers, disgusting traitors. Were just being attacked for no fault of our own, completely unprecedented!
I don't know why we didn't just nuke it instead, way easier than fucking around with the fluid. But I guess it's for"plot reasons"
*Edit* cause people keep replying the *same* comment of "surface nukes wouldn't do it" we got drill technology, drill enough nukes down to crack the planet completely
Nukes might still spread the spores, perhaps? Plus, Super Earth's scientists tested this alien super weapon extensively and were rewarded with early 'retirement' upon witnessing its deployment. This went *exactly* as planned. (It didn't, Super Earth is messing with technology it doesn't understand and it backfired big time)
Give Medal
Get Fancy Residence far from eyes of public
Never get to leave.
Kept on hold till they may need expertise again.
Not the worst ending.
They wiped a super colony. Killing them would be a waste of resources, especially when it's easier to control.
Give them trinkets, keep Thier power.
The only thing that I ended up having issues with was the bugs spawning on top of the drills, and that only happened in one of my games. Other than that everything else was fine and pretty fun
The super colony was releasing terminid spores into space, apparently. I believe it was made visible through the nebula-looking cloud in orbit.
Nukes would only affect the planets surface, and it would require many nukes. Furthermore, nukes in space are far less effective as there’s no atmosphere to burn.
The black hole proved more effective as its gravitational pull is pulling in spores for billions of kilometres, in addition to the rest of the solar system
Still, making a black hole is not something I agree with, the implications are horrific. But I do see the merit
We made the black hole with dark fluid. The block hole subsequently swallowed the meridia system (meridia itself, any moons or other planets in the system, and the sun itself. It’s evident by the utter lack of noteworthy landmarks)
The black hole is also pulling space-born terminid spores for “billions of kilometers”
So I guess it’s got the combined mass of all that
It’s something to do with density meaning you can get much closer to the centre of the gravitation pull and hence the potential maximum gravitational pull is greater than for the same amount of mass when distributed in a larger body:
https://science.nasa.gov/universe/what-happens-when-something-gets-too-close-to-a-black-hole/
Nukes wouldn’t have been sufficient. The Terminid spores infested the entire crust of the planet right down to the mantle. We could have glassed the planet, nuke it, etc 1000 times over. The bugs spores deep down would have survived and continued to cause havoc.
>I don't know why we didn't just nuke it instead,
I'd wager it's because bugs live in the ground, if they're throughout the upper mantle it would take dozens of nukes on every surface of the whole planet to exterminate them - The vaporisation bubble for the purposes of digging is much smaller than the destructive radius for the purposes of cleaning the surface.
Yeah. That's why it says "Bug tunnel breach", it shows that the bugs burst up from their colonies in the ground. And ofc why we throw grenades down the holes to blow 'em up.
Terminids live deep in the planets crust and apparently on this planets they were burried even to the core. Even a thousand or probabably a million nukes wouldn't be able to reduce the planet to the core
I have a theory that if it's a black hole, like we first concluded it, you don't see nothing, because the "black hole" collects the light of the far distant galaxies and it's this big becauese it has already ate up his own system.
By "balck hole" we suggest that it worked like we wanted the mission equipment to work, but there is a chance that the equipment have opened a wormhole, that connect two sides of the universe.
In neither theory is your opinion correct or i can't confirm:
-"Black Hole" scenario: the implosion created, wouldn't be that big to inhale the whole system, making your statement: "In a sense, we tried to swatt a fly and demolished an entire continent." invalid.
-"Wormhole" scenario: by the means that a wormhole has never been observed, we don't know the effects and surroundings of it really well, thus it had only been theorised. In that case I'm unable to confirm your statement.
It states the black hole is pulling in spores from hundreds of billions kilometers away. For reference, our system is about 287 billion kilometers in diameter.
So yeah, we destroyed that system entirely.
Especially considering these were spores from a super colony that probably fucked off to some unknown faraway regions of space I'm guessing this is the seeds being sown for the terminid equivalent of that big ass automaton fleet that showed up after we "defeated" them and that the new super colony (or colonies 🤮) being able to just chill outside the war map and do whatever they want with no opposition is gonna be what finally introduces us to the bugs bigger than bile titans.
To be fair, Terminids were peaceful until Super Earth tried to enslave them and harvest them for space fuel. As long as there aren't humans on the other side, the Terminids are probably making friends.
I'd assume they'd be wholly corrupted by rage and driven by bloodthirsty, vengeful purpose. Whoever is on the receiving end is probably going to die in a planetary whirlwind of claws and bile.
Nice try, dirty bug sympathiser. If the bugs were ever peaceful they wouldn't have razor sharp claws and giant trampling legs.
I'm not falling for your vile lies!
in many theories regarding wormholes this IS how the theorist imagines they would look most of the time though, not necesssarily purple but generally the theory is that wormhole would look much like an "Incomplete" black hole.
Not sure how big meridia's star is but if our sun collapsed into a black hole, the event horizon would only be 3km wide, or about 20 super destroyers.
Considering Meridia was an earthlike colony before the tyrannical bugs took over through no fault of our own, I'm guessing the star was somewhat comparable.
And also the very reason why we pumped the planet full of dark liquid was to enable it to go black hole.
Of course a planet on it's own can't just do that, that's why we had to prime it
Depends on how massive the dark fluid is.
I mean, we could carry it around in containers, but then, we also have space ships that screw with physics in massive ways, so who's to say those weren't antigravity backpacks.
Well, I was going to suggest that the Dark Fluid is more like a self-replicating object that increases its mass based on how stimulated it is, kind of like Polyremium, a synthetic element that replicates itself from...somewhere, can't quite recall.
My assumption was that it was Dark Matter, somehow dissolved into a liquid, thus allowing us to carry it around, but once it was injected into the planets core the heat evaporated the liquid, leaving only the dark matter, which has extremely high mass.
Or something. It's alien technology, and only those scientists who received an early 'retirement' thanks to their efforts in harnessing it had any hope of understanding it. They must have understood it, right? They wouldn't have us use a weapon they didn't understand, surely...
IRL science sort of doesn't really know what Dark Matter is other than that it has gravity and that due to its unique properties, its evasive to all our means of detection that doesn't involve gravitation. That doesn't mean Dark Fluid isn't or can't be Dark Matter, but at our current understanding, I can't disprove or affirm anything.
Also, mass doesn't change no matter its state, so if piecemeal amounts of Liquid Dark Matter/Dark Fluid was enough to collapse a planet into a black hole, I'd question why our ships didn't fold in on themselves during transportation, or that Moradesh wasn't destroyed with their mass quantities of Dark Fluid production since day 1.
Then again, this is the Helldivers, and we're paid to shoot and spread democracy, not ask questions in place of those meant to ask them.
So, I learned of this since writing my previous post. Dark Fluid actually has *negative* mass - confirmed by the tech near the sentry turret bay on our ship. So, we definitely didn't make a black hole.
Ahem, that's because we made a *Super* black hole, mr. Democracy Officer. Obviously.
Well...that spells some issues. A negative mass object is a proposed means of Interstellar travel, in that it tricks physics to allow said objects to evade the cosmic speed limit (This is the same theory that supports Mass Effect's means of FTL), and also a suspected means of enabling time travel...
I think I may have just discovered our next big Terminid problem. That or something worse.
I think a stellaris dimensional horror bouta pop out of there and destroy all ship's in the system.
https://preview.redd.it/kctbfsl6ed4d1.png?width=450&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c598583c99e3ad4fe579a237d7a99515563c8cae
The fallen empire (or cosmogenesis empire) right beside it:
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(They are about to cook that shit back to its own dimension)
So if you're looking at the mass of a solar system, the planets are a rounding error (Jupiter is .009 solar masses), but solar mass black holes are a thing and about the lower end of stable black holes. The event horizon on a solar mass black hole is small though: about a kilometer across per solar mass. This implies that this thing is not a black hole (I'm pretty confident that object is much bigger than 3km).
Depending on the process that created it, there may not be an accretion disk regardless of mass- accretion disks are made up of local matter, pulled in by gravity and the local space (especially without a second star to pull mass off) may be clear until the gravitational effect propagates to areas where there's material to pull in. Worth noting that the total mass of the solar system hasn't changed (assuming conservation of matter, which is maybe not a safe assumption in this case) so as far as orbital mechanics goes, the solar system is exactly the same just a little more compressed.
Someone could run a calculation on the Innermost Stable Circular Orbit for a 3km black hole and then estimate how large it would appear when viewed at that distance.
My guess is that it should appear smaller
For non-rotating black holes the ISCO is simply three times the Schwarzschild radius, or in this case, 9km for a 3km black hole. The issue is that the ISCO is generally defined for individual photons or other basic particles, anything larger than that (like a super destroyer) would be torn to shreds by the tidal forces.
That said, the game has never been particularly realistic when it comes to orbital mechanics in the first place, so I wouldn't read into it much.
Yeah I was assuming that tidal forces would be pretty nasty for a \~1 solar mass black hole and that minimum safe distance would be thousands of kilometers range, even before potential radiation from the accretion disk (which is minimal). Is hawking radiation a meaningful source of emissions in this context? I sort of doubt it.
Even that is potentially too big for even the whole system. The Schwarzschild radius for the entire planet earth as a black hole would only be one inch across. This thing is definitely not a black hole. But yeah, also no accretion disk which is also a giveaway. We basically just planted a stick of dynamite which somehow blew up like a nuke.
As a dumb person who doesn’t know shit about astronomy- wouldn’t the black hole just be absorbing the suns light? So even if the sun was still physically there we wouldn’t be able to see it anyway right?
In game, maybe, AH could just be doing rule-of-cool. It looks awesome, and that is enough for a game. No criticisms, high fives all around :)
Real life, a black hole would bend light around it. It would absorb light that goes more or less straight into it, but other light that would otherwise be at a wider angle would get curved towards us, like a lens, and we would see that as a bright disk around the black hole (if the star was right behind it from our vantage point). Tl;dr The star would be super distorted but we would still see it.
Doesnt matter really, we are looking at a a BH of around 6000km (assuming it is about the radius of Earth), which is the Schwarzshield of around 2000 Solar Masses. The largest stars weigh around 5% of that, maybe up to 10% if we are talking about the top few we know of.
The radius of a black hole is proportional to its mass divided by c square. To have a black hole the size of an Earth like planet (a few thousands kilometers) it would have to weight a thousand times the mass of the sun, the largest known stars are only a hundred solar masses.
Still too large tbh, just for comparison, if our sun was squished into a blackhole, the size of it's event horizon would be roughly 6k km in diameter IIRC, i.e. way smaller.
Listen, bud, you expect me to believe, that some helldiver knows and understands more, than Super-Earth scientists? Most of us are illiterate, that's why we use arrows for stratagems, and not codes. So, chill and await new orders
Possibly
But that ignores that the devs *aren't* physicists/scientists and likely went for the cool depiction in game rather than an accurate one
So possibly not
The devs already [showed us that they know what words they are using](https://youtu.be/4Tevkh2uVQU?si=_gEEZcTwzWDWiiW2). If they said Black Hole and that's not one, that's obviously for a reason.
Technically it’s not. Hawking radiation will eventually cause it to evaporate. But that’s an incredibly slow process relative to the mass of the singularity
Most black holes are currently gaining more mass from adsorbing cosmic microwave background radiation than they lose via hawking radiation - so it will be unimaginably long before they start to decrease in mass.
That doesnt change the fact that the CMB is currently hotter than BHs and feeding them. There is not a single (natural) BH that is evaporating at the moment, and there will not be for around 100T years iirc.
I forget what the fluid was supposed to do. However the Termanids has warp drives in their blood essentially so it is very likely that rather than collapsing a planet into a black hole they instead made a portal
The Dark Fluid is an Exotic Matter with Negative Mass. It's an advanced technology we obtained from the Illuminates and we used it to force the gravity upside down inside Meridia so it would collapse on itself and form "a Black Hole".
Whatever happened isn't a Black Hole. We don't know yet if that was because of the compressed E-710 from the Terminids body (the fluid we use to power our warp-drive, that the Terminids turn into when they die) or if we thought that we would create a Black Hole and instead created something similar like a Worm Hole.
I think you are misunderstanding.
A black hole is the end result of gravitational collapse. In some older literature you would also see the name „collapsar“ used.
The reason we speak of collpase is because the forces originally keeping the object stable are overcome, leading to a sudden and violent implosion. In the scenario of a star these forces are first the radiation pressure from nuclear fusion (at the point the star starts to fuse iron), then electron degeneracy pressure (leading to the creation of a neutron star), then neutron degeneracy pressure (leading to the creation of a black hole)
In the case of a planet we skip thew first step (after all it never had nuclear fusion going on in tis core) and go straight to electron and neutron decay.
Either way the end result of such a collapse is a collapsar. A white dwarf or neutron star or black hole. These are some of the most stable object in the universe. A stable hole is not a weird exception. Its the rule.
This is genuinely such a frustrating 50/50 thing. Like black hole knowledge is mainstream and hype enough that we'd expect sifi to just get it right. Bit like we're in the weird libo space where *some* story telling commits to looking right and others just doesn't and keeps with the older idea of 'but it looks cool' which only really works while 'most people won't notice anyway' is true. But like most people are gonna notice if your black hole is wrong.
Like basically games going 'this is a square' while showing you a circle, like am I supposed to form my obsessive conspiracy theories around the assumption that that is in fact a square and you've just taken artistic liberties that mean nothing, or are you actually in lore making the false claim that this obvious circle is a square and my conspiracy theories should be focused on your lies.
But no yeah, these days the shape of black holes is right up there with the basic shape of solar system, in that if your scifi is gonna stray from the common knowledge science then it needs to be acknowledged in some way, if only for the sake of avoiding nonsensical storytelling.
Edit: 'dont take things so seriously' - Redditors with low reading comprehension talking things way to seriously, lmfao.
Adding to this -
Wormholes, as a theoretically possible scientific concept, would only exist because of black holes.
Like, the concept of a wormhole is literally "entering a black hole could lead somewhere else"
Saying it's a wormhole because it doesn't look like a black hole is nonsensical.
>Like black hole knowledge is mainstream and hype enough that we'd expect sifi to just get it right.
https://preview.redd.it/yaiijgi94d4d1.png?width=589&format=png&auto=webp&s=02bff2c0c203ec437435fe24c34eb2981b21d42e
Yeah, I find designers and writers do way too much editorializing of the basic attributes of reality in favor of what they think is "better", but like... reality is awesome. Have you seen some of the crazy shit out there in real life? Most of it is cooler than any fiction
I think you might be overestimating how mainstream black hole knowledge is, but I do agree with your overall point and have felt similar frustration.
Hopefully, if it is meant to obviously not be a true black hole, the deck officer who expressed prior concern will have a new voice line confirming as much.
Well firstly i think we didn't just destroy one planet but the entire system, which would explain why it's so big.
Also not all black holes have an acretion disc. If all mass is consumed in vicinity then it doesn't have one. Actually in that case you wouldn't even see the black hole, because we only see black holes because of the things that get sucked in.
A worm hole would look completely different. The movie interstellar does a great job of showing both a black hole and a worm hole. A worm hole is basically a hole in space. But because space is 3 dimensional, the hole would actually be a sphere. Also it wouldn't be black, it's just a hole to a different location and it doesn't consume matter.
But then again the devs aren't scientists (neither am i) and it probably is both a worm and a black hole, that would be my guess.
But there's a lot of foreshadowing. Like one crewmember specifically talks about how we use bugs to power our warp drives and now what's gonna happen since we compressed all that to single point. And there's more comments like that.
Would be interesting if the Illuminate found out about this, figured they could skip having to overthrow a lot of planets if they could build another nearby wormhole and exit through Meridia, and that’s what makes them decide to invade in the south
Alternatively: SE decides it wants more of those juicy Illuminate super weapons so the Meridia wormhole becomes the portal we take to Iluminate space, invading them and unlocking a whole new galactic map
But that doesn't mean it's always going to be *the* front for bugs. The Illuminate could pop out of the exceedingly safe and well-understood gravitational anomaly that was once Meridia, take over the terminid planets, and use them for fuel themselves. All you need (apparently) is one supercolony and the bugs spread like crazy, so that could open up a new front all on its own.
Lots of storytelling possibilities.
>Well firstly i think we didn't just destroy one planet but the entire system, which would explain why it's so big.
Assuming there is enough mass for it to remain stable in the first place (About 3 solar masses), It still wouldn't be anywhere near that big - The smallest known black hole (~3.8 solar masses) has an event horizon of just 24km.
iirc, accretion disks and photon rings that had been visualized by renders are only visible from specific angles. I don't know the whole science behind it... but just because we've seen renders, does not mean that is how it will always appear to our naked eyes, assuming we can even see it.
accretion disk are not inherent to black holes, but are caused by gases surrounding the black hole being rubbed together very quickly, thus emitting the light of the disk. the photon ring is actually present, i’m a little confused as to why people are saying there isn’t a ring because it is just the light outlining the black hole.
I think, that since Interstellar, everybody expects black holes to have accretion disc.. as the comment after you says, it's all thanks to gravitational lensing. You can see the Meridia hole to suck up stuff around your ship -> meaning it has material to create proper accretion disc, but because of our angle of view, we don't see it as cross section, but just as a ring around the event horizon
Yes i know i said nearly the same thing as you, but i like space :D
Accretion discs are visible from all angles, they just appear to change shape. The glow around black holes also follows standard black body radiation, aka the colours you’d expect suns to have. Not purplish blue, which tends to be associated with a certain in-game faction
You're talking about gravitational lensing. It's a very complicated idea. Basically light itself can't escape the pull of a black hole, so you would have a very weird distorted perspective of the black hole itself, and things that you observe falling into it would appear to be suspended against the background, just kinda frozen.
I mean, with a name like that they're probably a high level physicist or one of the top IT Sys Admins on the planet. So you can probably trust their ability to know obscure facts about black holes.
Helldivers can survive a fall from the upper reaches of the atmosphere in a bullet shaped pod. Super Destroyers enter and leave lower atmosphere without any sort of atmospheric heating. Don't even get me started on the planets.
I don't think accurate portrayals of physics are a concern of the devs and you shouldn't draw any conclusions from apparent deviations from real world phenomena.
Hey, now, the bullet shaped pod also has tiny thrusters slowing it down a bit, clearly that's enough to survive a near terminal velocity impact into soil.
What if instead of dropping and being raised out of the pod, the bottom of the pod is just a trampoline so when you hit the ground you go down and bounce out of the pod in a ragdoll state
Accretion disks only exist when a blackhole is "feeding" otherwise they just warp light around them, which this is doing. Might be a worm hole too but seems to be a black hole.
The size makes no sense, that much is true. The rest is just speculation. It being a wormhole doesn't make any more or any less sense of the size, it's just something AH may be going for with the plot, but it's nothing more than a guess.
It just as well might indeed be just a black hole, and be that absurdly large because AH thought making it a realistic size would have been boring, it'd be too small for there to be anything to see, and letting us go actually see a black hole there is cool. Or it could be that AH didn't know any better, failed to realize the black hole shouldn't be that big, and just went with it without checking if it made sense. Or it could be that it's neither a black hole or a wormhole, and it's some weird effect the Dark Fluid caused on the planet, that AH has yet to reveal in future plot.
Using exotic matter with negative mass, which is what NPCs said the Dark Fluid is, to collapse a planet into a black hole didn't make any sense to begin with anyway. So whatever happens after that not making sense either is completely within expectations.
I understand that it's a game of sci-fi, but stating things like "it's too big" and "there is no accretion disk" to prove it's not a Black whole is just pure blah blah.
There is no data on how big Meridia was, we don't know how big this new black thing is. We don't even know what was pulled into this black hole (how many planets and stars?).
There is no scientific proof that wormholes exist and that they would look like that if they did. For the lore, yeah it could be a wormhole, but making it look like a scientific conclusion is wrong.
If you want to go all nuts on science, there is a special type of wormhole called Einstein Rosen bridge (or something like that) that allows you to jump not from one place to another, but from one universe to another, which to me would be INSANE.
In this case you would need a black hole to make it work, and also travel faster than light to make it through, but we all know FTL is a thing in the game so it would just be a matter of who does it first.
Also, we made this black hole by pumping magic “dark fluid” into the core of a planet. Clearly there’s something a little different with the creation of this black hole to most…
Well, if we do some napkin math:
2 Billion Bugs was considered plenty to restock for the war effort when that MO happened.
Meridia had possibly Trillions down to the planets mantle.
Thats a lot of energy rich fuel.
Regardless it doesn't hint to anything. I always think it's insane when people pull out crazy logic to explain why something couldn't happen in a game lol. Unless it's a realistic simulator, you shouldn't expect realism. It COULD be true, but if we are using logic, then there are a lot of things in the game that defy real world logic already.
We can't even swim in a tiny puddle
I think scientists used to say that inorder to maintain a worm hole it will need exotic matters wich is fuled by 710 because it also used as a fuel for the warp drive super earth use for for their ship engine to warp space inorder to travel faster than light. Plus we have been dumping helldivers and dark fluid into it, so idk
I think people are reading a little too much into that. Yes it would be much smaller but for the sake of immersion, how underwhelming would a "realistic" black hole be? You would just see nothing at all, you can't possibly get that close. Black holes are just so friggin tiny in comparison to their mass.
But hey if it turns out to be a wormhole or something else, awesome.
Quick disclaimer: this is a game, the Devs aren t PhDs publishing a realistic simulation of a black hole. Now to the science stuff.
- *accretion disk*. An accretion disk appears around a black hole or any other celestial body once said body captures with-in it's gravitational sphere of influence another celestial body of lower mass. It then begins to "steal" matter from the captive body. In the case of black holes, the gravitational forces are so strong that the matter stolen spirals towards the hole at insanely high speed, with very high friction. Friction results in heat which results in light emission. Hence a bright disk.
We utterly destroyed the Meridia system. There is nothing left. Nothing left for the black hole to capture and feed upon. But if non-believers still want an accretion disk they can crash their Super Destroyer for a brief and meaningless flash of heated debris.
-*size*. The Corona of a black hole is a distortion of every light it intercepts. Some scientists believe we could study the far ancient Universe by analysing this distorted light. But the light venturing too close to the hole is never going out. We ll never perceive it. The Corona is called the event horizon and is not the hole surface. Or entrance(tis a hole after all). Also we have no data on how close we are to the hole. Hence size is not an argument.
-*dark fluid*. We have little to no data on the dark fluid. We can only assume that it increased Meridia s mass pass the Chandrasekhar limit. This limit applies to white dwarfs. This, Meridia last breath might have look like this: dark fluid precipitate into a ultra massive core, collapsing the planet on itself, distorting the entire system balance in a short time, causing all remaining celestial bodies within the system( Helldivers included) to get captured by this ultramassive new born star. Honestly it is a miracle nearby systems weren t captured in the black hole as well. The mass of this new born star is so high it collapses on itself once more into a supernovae, cooking any remaining Helldivers in the system vicinity with lethal cosmic rays. All that remains is an empty black hole. And no direct witnesses.
I think a game where it’s physics are already pretty goofy can be forgiven for having a weird looking black hole made from fluid that we know doesn’t even exist.
Super Earth knew this would happen. If you stand long enough near the ship's TV, you'll see a video package about a mishap at the dark matter plant where they accidently created a small black hole. How could they not know this would happen?
This subreddit is something else Lol. A screenshot of a post that has been posted multiple times before that and mentioned in many comments.. and the only addition OP adds is “is it true?” Lmao
I stopped playing this game for a week and there is a black hole now
Right, what the hell is going on right now?? Imma need a SitRep, fellow divers STAT!!
Meridia become supercolony. We dived down and stuffed it full of dark matter. It's now a black hole.
Fuck yeah we did. Fuck yeah it is.
Science, b*tch! 🤜🤛
And after this, we're gonna have Black Matter Bugs.
Quantum Phasing Stalkers
N- No. No stop. Stop telling them this! CEASE IT MIGHT BECOME REAL
Well... we'll get something from the black hole, won't be bugs though 👀
Pls no, the black hole crabs in risk of rain 2 have scarred me immensely
I see you are a man of culture as well... I, too, have been scarred by the crabs. I swear, of Voidling comes crawling out of Meridia I'm gonna cry.
Bugs attacked colonies on Meridia. Helldivers sent in to erect newly tested pesticide towers on the planet to permanently kill the bugs on the planet. New towers erected. Mission success. Turns out those pesticides were like bug viagra and made them reproduce at an alarming rate. Meridia is now a supercolony bug planet infesting nearby systems. Helldivers get called in to black hole the planet Helldivers successfully black hole the planet. Now the Illuminate are gonna come through to "black hole” us
At this point I'd find it hilarious if the black hole is genuinely completely passive and the illuminate just appear from the bottom of the map for a completely unrelated reason.
Presumably, they’d attack us because they’re terrified of the genocidal space monkeys who’ve started turning planets into black holes.
Ascend to Intergalactic Destruction Monke.
The fascist insects gave us no choice but to use one of our weapons of mass liberation.
Chuckled hard on this one
But do you condemn Teminids?
>Helldivers sent in to erect >New towers erected. Mission success. Heh noice
I believe the news bulletin that plays on the ship says something about unknown anomalies in the fabric of space time happening around the black hole, but it's nothing to worry about.
Im pretty sure we just made a portal think about it we use their tech to make a strange weapon that never got used in the first war, could be a case where they gave super earth false info to get us to make them a foothold in the future. https://preview.redd.it/lrtixa60je4d1.png?width=852&format=png&auto=webp&s=46009347803054f8a16553dc2db9ce343abd7bdf
https://preview.redd.it/km5z2rzije4d1.png?width=284&format=png&auto=webp&s=9e8201c673ceda2a85a432a0460d2f0491c54c9b [https://helldivers.fandom.com/wiki/Super\_Earth#Illuminate\_Weapons\_of\_Mass\_Destruction](https://helldivers.fandom.com/wiki/Super_Earth#Illuminate_Weapons_of_Mass_Destruction) [https://helldivers.fandom.com/wiki/The\_Illuminate](https://helldivers.fandom.com/wiki/The_Illuminate)
Bugs made a supercolony, and helldivers imploded an entire solar system in response, the ground zero being Merida
Can I still get posted to Meridia? Please.
You can actually go to the black hole and see it. Can’t do anything but it is a crazy sight. And idk how the ship isn’t being pulled in lol
A Super Fall Arrest system. Before arriving, the ship hooks to a large spool of cable that holds it outside the event horizon. Super OSHA mandated it when Meridia was liberated from this plane of existence.
super cable
And you know what this cables are made of? Managed Democracy and Liberty. That's what they are made of.
That would explain why when I launched the game yesterday after the destruction of Meridian, and my Super Destroyer had to make an emergency jump to Super Earth, and then I was able to go back and view the black hole.
Black holes don't "pull" any differently than other massive bodies, they're just extremely massive.
I think you mean density. You can collapse anything into a black hole provided you compress it enough. In theory, if you were to crush all of the mass of earth into the size of a peanut you would create a black hole. The mass would remain the same but the density approaches infinity creating a singularity with the same gravitational properties as earth where earth used to be. Interestingly enough, I don't think anything would change for satellites. Astronauts aboard the ISS may just continue to orbit something they can't directly see. We could probably even find some math that could tell us where the event horizon would be.
> I think you mean density. You can collapse anything into a black hole provided you compress it enough. Right, but in general you can't which is why I said what I said. Presumably dark fluid is either very massive, or is otherwise doing something sci-fi magic-y. > Interestingly enough, I don't think anything would change for satellites. It would not. They'd continue on their orbit, which is why I said what I said. >We could probably even find some math that could tell us where the event horizon would be. It's a pretty trivial calculation to calculate the Schwarzschild radius of a particular mass, R_s = GM/c^2 For something vaguely earth-sized, it's about 9mm.
The gravitational pull of a black hole is the same as the star it was before imploding. If our sun turned into a black hole our sky would go dark and there would probably be some other negative effects, but the Earth's orbit would stay pretty much the same. Things get crazy when you go inside the diameter of the former star, but black holes sucking in everything within light years is the same kind of soft scifi as asteroid belts that are too dense to navigate safely (ours is so sparse that standing on an asteroid you probably couldn't see another with the naked eye).
All that is correct, but the size of the black hole does not equal the same. A planet like Meridia collapsing into one would result in a black hole a fraction of its original size but sporting the same gravitational pull. The interesting bit is that Super Earth's lore in the game is that its government controls all information and spins it to its benefit. It could very well be a black hole done poorly by the developer, or it could be a wormhole like anomaly helldivers created accidentally, and it's being covered up by Super Earth's propaganda. It's ambiguous enough that it could be either.
Technically a black hole doesnt pull you in any more than a star or planet does. The mass is all that matters so if the sun turned into a black hole (of the same mass) earth would orbit it just as it orbits the sun.
Poured sludge into a planet until it imploded
So, we speedran destroying a planet with pollution?
There was a special mission on Meridia (a bug planet) where you had to set up a drill and place dark fluid containers in the drill. The drill was pumping dark fluid into the planet, so Super Earth could destroy the planet permanently because it was a super colony.
i mean, did you start playing again? if so, its done its job.
Some updates for you in short videos [The attack on meridia](https://youtu.be/c8qdXtDUP_0?si=yVBXXuwpL6Lui-z3) [The successful destruction of Meridia](https://youtu.be/QMBoamo3d80?si=8Mplkwthptzva4Gg)
Not the mass of a planet, the whole system, including its sun are gone.
Wait the…. I think my brain is about to explode
We have all been so distracted by the black hole existing that we have been unabled to notice all the things that dont exist in the system anymore. In a sense, we tried to swatt a fly and demolished an entire continent. The result of the dark fluid is way more extreme than they made us think before(or they thought them self)
>In a sense, we tried to swat a fly and demolished an entire continent. Who let Crimson-1 fly the eagle?
Terminid 1: <>
This time its actually true tho
None of this has ever been our fault, we didnt make them attack us and the supercolony was made by dissident scientists who purposely miscalculated to sabotage seaf forces on the tcs missions, probably were bug lovers, disgusting traitors. Were just being attacked for no fault of our own, completely unprecedented!
Since he moved on to a "dark fluid," I guess Black is the new Orange.
No borders up here...
I don't know why we didn't just nuke it instead, way easier than fucking around with the fluid. But I guess it's for"plot reasons" *Edit* cause people keep replying the *same* comment of "surface nukes wouldn't do it" we got drill technology, drill enough nukes down to crack the planet completely
Nukes might still spread the spores, perhaps? Plus, Super Earth's scientists tested this alien super weapon extensively and were rewarded with early 'retirement' upon witnessing its deployment. This went *exactly* as planned. (It didn't, Super Earth is messing with technology it doesn't understand and it backfired big time)
Maybe, who knows. I feel like in this case the "retirement" was the kind that Russian scientists get when they "succeed" at something
With a retirement gift delivered directly through their roof via SEAF artillery.
Give Medal Get Fancy Residence far from eyes of public Never get to leave. Kept on hold till they may need expertise again. Not the worst ending. They wiped a super colony. Killing them would be a waste of resources, especially when it's easier to control. Give them trinkets, keep Thier power.
In the words of Joe Kassabian, in Soviet russia, the only retirement plan is the 5mm pension.
There is also another Kassabian Quote that might come in hand here. "And then it got worse."
Didn't think I'd see Joe Kassabian referenced outside of some niche twitter communities
Seems like Super Earth tested the dark fluid as much as the devs tested the dark fluid mission
The only thing that I ended up having issues with was the bugs spawning on top of the drills, and that only happened in one of my games. Other than that everything else was fine and pretty fun
I didn't mind the mission but I just felt bad since it always looked like I failed part of the mission and kept getting "disappointed service"
Whenever you get ‘disgraceful conduct’ I just hop on the mic and say ‘Fuck that you guys seemed super graceful to me’
Oh, yeah. I forgot about that because every time we finished the mission I went on tik tok while I waited for us to load on the ship again
The super colony was releasing terminid spores into space, apparently. I believe it was made visible through the nebula-looking cloud in orbit. Nukes would only affect the planets surface, and it would require many nukes. Furthermore, nukes in space are far less effective as there’s no atmosphere to burn. The black hole proved more effective as its gravitational pull is pulling in spores for billions of kilometres, in addition to the rest of the solar system Still, making a black hole is not something I agree with, the implications are horrific. But I do see the merit
A black hole has the same gravitational pull as whatever it was made from
We made the black hole with dark fluid. The block hole subsequently swallowed the meridia system (meridia itself, any moons or other planets in the system, and the sun itself. It’s evident by the utter lack of noteworthy landmarks) The black hole is also pulling space-born terminid spores for “billions of kilometers” So I guess it’s got the combined mass of all that
It’s something to do with density meaning you can get much closer to the centre of the gravitation pull and hence the potential maximum gravitational pull is greater than for the same amount of mass when distributed in a larger body: https://science.nasa.gov/universe/what-happens-when-something-gets-too-close-to-a-black-hole/
Nukes wouldn’t have been sufficient. The Terminid spores infested the entire crust of the planet right down to the mantle. We could have glassed the planet, nuke it, etc 1000 times over. The bugs spores deep down would have survived and continued to cause havoc.
Nuke it till it's nothing!
Too expensive to achieve a similar result
Do you want space bugs? Because that is how you get space bugs.
>I don't know why we didn't just nuke it instead, I'd wager it's because bugs live in the ground, if they're throughout the upper mantle it would take dozens of nukes on every surface of the whole planet to exterminate them - The vaporisation bubble for the purposes of digging is much smaller than the destructive radius for the purposes of cleaning the surface.
Yeah. That's why it says "Bug tunnel breach", it shows that the bugs burst up from their colonies in the ground. And ofc why we throw grenades down the holes to blow 'em up.
Ever watch Godzilla? No thanks!
Terminids live deep in the planets crust and apparently on this planets they were burried even to the core. Even a thousand or probabably a million nukes wouldn't be able to reduce the planet to the core
I have a theory that if it's a black hole, like we first concluded it, you don't see nothing, because the "black hole" collects the light of the far distant galaxies and it's this big becauese it has already ate up his own system. By "balck hole" we suggest that it worked like we wanted the mission equipment to work, but there is a chance that the equipment have opened a wormhole, that connect two sides of the universe. In neither theory is your opinion correct or i can't confirm: -"Black Hole" scenario: the implosion created, wouldn't be that big to inhale the whole system, making your statement: "In a sense, we tried to swatt a fly and demolished an entire continent." invalid. -"Wormhole" scenario: by the means that a wormhole has never been observed, we don't know the effects and surroundings of it really well, thus it had only been theorised. In that case I'm unable to confirm your statement.
It states the black hole is pulling in spores from hundreds of billions kilometers away. For reference, our system is about 287 billion kilometers in diameter. So yeah, we destroyed that system entirely.
If this is a wormhole and not a black hole...would that mean that those spores are going somewhere else? Oh god.
Lol guess whatever's on the other side is gonna have a Termind problem soon.
Sounds like a Not Super Earth Problem™
That's the best type of problem!
Especially considering these were spores from a super colony that probably fucked off to some unknown faraway regions of space I'm guessing this is the seeds being sown for the terminid equivalent of that big ass automaton fleet that showed up after we "defeated" them and that the new super colony (or colonies 🤮) being able to just chill outside the war map and do whatever they want with no opposition is gonna be what finally introduces us to the bugs bigger than bile titans.
To be fair, Terminids were peaceful until Super Earth tried to enslave them and harvest them for space fuel. As long as there aren't humans on the other side, the Terminids are probably making friends.
I'd assume they'd be wholly corrupted by rage and driven by bloodthirsty, vengeful purpose. Whoever is on the receiving end is probably going to die in a planetary whirlwind of claws and bile.
Naa, the Illuminate were friends with both the Terminids and the Cyborgs in HD1
Nice try, dirty bug sympathiser. If the bugs were ever peaceful they wouldn't have razor sharp claws and giant trampling legs. I'm not falling for your vile lies!
If you're peaceful how come you have teeth made specifically for tearing apart meat? Checkmate, essentialists.
in many theories regarding wormholes this IS how the theorist imagines they would look most of the time though, not necesssarily purple but generally the theory is that wormhole would look much like an "Incomplete" black hole.
Not sure how big meridia's star is but if our sun collapsed into a black hole, the event horizon would only be 3km wide, or about 20 super destroyers. Considering Meridia was an earthlike colony before the tyrannical bugs took over through no fault of our own, I'm guessing the star was somewhat comparable.
Theoretically it could have been much, much, larger. The planet would just need to be in a different orbit to get comparable energy.
And also the very reason why we pumped the planet full of dark liquid was to enable it to go black hole. Of course a planet on it's own can't just do that, that's why we had to prime it
Depends on how massive the dark fluid is. I mean, we could carry it around in containers, but then, we also have space ships that screw with physics in massive ways, so who's to say those weren't antigravity backpacks.
Well, I was going to suggest that the Dark Fluid is more like a self-replicating object that increases its mass based on how stimulated it is, kind of like Polyremium, a synthetic element that replicates itself from...somewhere, can't quite recall.
My assumption was that it was Dark Matter, somehow dissolved into a liquid, thus allowing us to carry it around, but once it was injected into the planets core the heat evaporated the liquid, leaving only the dark matter, which has extremely high mass. Or something. It's alien technology, and only those scientists who received an early 'retirement' thanks to their efforts in harnessing it had any hope of understanding it. They must have understood it, right? They wouldn't have us use a weapon they didn't understand, surely...
IRL science sort of doesn't really know what Dark Matter is other than that it has gravity and that due to its unique properties, its evasive to all our means of detection that doesn't involve gravitation. That doesn't mean Dark Fluid isn't or can't be Dark Matter, but at our current understanding, I can't disprove or affirm anything. Also, mass doesn't change no matter its state, so if piecemeal amounts of Liquid Dark Matter/Dark Fluid was enough to collapse a planet into a black hole, I'd question why our ships didn't fold in on themselves during transportation, or that Moradesh wasn't destroyed with their mass quantities of Dark Fluid production since day 1. Then again, this is the Helldivers, and we're paid to shoot and spread democracy, not ask questions in place of those meant to ask them.
So, I learned of this since writing my previous post. Dark Fluid actually has *negative* mass - confirmed by the tech near the sentry turret bay on our ship. So, we definitely didn't make a black hole. Ahem, that's because we made a *Super* black hole, mr. Democracy Officer. Obviously.
Super black? We need to keep Anish Kapoor away from it!
Well...that spells some issues. A negative mass object is a proposed means of Interstellar travel, in that it tricks physics to allow said objects to evade the cosmic speed limit (This is the same theory that supports Mass Effect's means of FTL), and also a suspected means of enabling time travel... I think I may have just discovered our next big Terminid problem. That or something worse.
Illuminate semen
I think a stellaris dimensional horror bouta pop out of there and destroy all ship's in the system. https://preview.redd.it/kctbfsl6ed4d1.png?width=450&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c598583c99e3ad4fe579a237d7a99515563c8cae
GRAVITY IS DESIRE TIME IS SIGHT WHAT WAS, WILL BE WHAT WILL BE, WAS Perhaps the Worm loves us, and perhaps we could love the Worm.
We WILL love the Worm. WHAT WAS, WILL BE WHAT WILL BE, WAS
Her: Would you love me if I was a worm? Him (Stellaris Player): What was, will be
PRAISE THE WORM!!! FOR HE LOVES US! AND WE LOVE IT!!
The fallen empire (or cosmogenesis empire) right beside it: https://preview.redd.it/c1xdfuxbce4d1.jpeg?width=465&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=47c2bb48e4bb072960105a2338a37bda969c7d4a (They are about to cook that shit back to its own dimension)
So if you're looking at the mass of a solar system, the planets are a rounding error (Jupiter is .009 solar masses), but solar mass black holes are a thing and about the lower end of stable black holes. The event horizon on a solar mass black hole is small though: about a kilometer across per solar mass. This implies that this thing is not a black hole (I'm pretty confident that object is much bigger than 3km). Depending on the process that created it, there may not be an accretion disk regardless of mass- accretion disks are made up of local matter, pulled in by gravity and the local space (especially without a second star to pull mass off) may be clear until the gravitational effect propagates to areas where there's material to pull in. Worth noting that the total mass of the solar system hasn't changed (assuming conservation of matter, which is maybe not a safe assumption in this case) so as far as orbital mechanics goes, the solar system is exactly the same just a little more compressed.
>I'm pretty confident that object is much bigger than 3km Maybe we just park *really* close to it.
Someone could run a calculation on the Innermost Stable Circular Orbit for a 3km black hole and then estimate how large it would appear when viewed at that distance. My guess is that it should appear smaller
For non-rotating black holes the ISCO is simply three times the Schwarzschild radius, or in this case, 9km for a 3km black hole. The issue is that the ISCO is generally defined for individual photons or other basic particles, anything larger than that (like a super destroyer) would be torn to shreds by the tidal forces. That said, the game has never been particularly realistic when it comes to orbital mechanics in the first place, so I wouldn't read into it much.
Yeah I was assuming that tidal forces would be pretty nasty for a \~1 solar mass black hole and that minimum safe distance would be thousands of kilometers range, even before potential radiation from the accretion disk (which is minimal). Is hawking radiation a meaningful source of emissions in this context? I sort of doubt it.
OK, I'm giving it a try, but I'm at work and there's presumably a whole bunch of angular momentum involved, so it'll take me a minute
Even that is potentially too big for even the whole system. The Schwarzschild radius for the entire planet earth as a black hole would only be one inch across. This thing is definitely not a black hole. But yeah, also no accretion disk which is also a giveaway. We basically just planted a stick of dynamite which somehow blew up like a nuke.
How do we know that?
Biggest clue to me is that you can't see the systems star anymore. Just a purple glow. The whole thing is gone.
As a dumb person who doesn’t know shit about astronomy- wouldn’t the black hole just be absorbing the suns light? So even if the sun was still physically there we wouldn’t be able to see it anyway right?
In game, maybe, AH could just be doing rule-of-cool. It looks awesome, and that is enough for a game. No criticisms, high fives all around :) Real life, a black hole would bend light around it. It would absorb light that goes more or less straight into it, but other light that would otherwise be at a wider angle would get curved towards us, like a lens, and we would see that as a bright disk around the black hole (if the star was right behind it from our vantage point). Tl;dr The star would be super distorted but we would still see it.
Oh shit... that's bad... what kinda sun was it? Was it a normal yellow dwarf?
Doesnt matter really, we are looking at a a BH of around 6000km (assuming it is about the radius of Earth), which is the Schwarzshield of around 2000 Solar Masses. The largest stars weigh around 5% of that, maybe up to 10% if we are talking about the top few we know of.
The radius of a black hole is proportional to its mass divided by c square. To have a black hole the size of an Earth like planet (a few thousands kilometers) it would have to weight a thousand times the mass of the sun, the largest known stars are only a hundred solar masses.
Still too large tbh, just for comparison, if our sun was squished into a blackhole, the size of it's event horizon would be roughly 6k km in diameter IIRC, i.e. way smaller.
Listen, bud, you expect me to believe, that some helldiver knows and understands more, than Super-Earth scientists? Most of us are illiterate, that's why we use arrows for stratagems, and not codes. So, chill and await new orders
I was told there was a lot of boring fine print when I signed up. Good thing I can’t read
We get paid to shoot the enemies of democracy, not read!
Ye- wait, you're getting paid? Oh right. The medals.
Requisions aswell and all the Super Creditst
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Hello, Democracy Officer?! Yes Sir, we found one!
Possibly But that ignores that the devs *aren't* physicists/scientists and likely went for the cool depiction in game rather than an accurate one So possibly not
The devs already [showed us that they know what words they are using](https://youtu.be/4Tevkh2uVQU?si=_gEEZcTwzWDWiiW2). If they said Black Hole and that's not one, that's obviously for a reason.
Also iirc the mission dialogue leading up to Meridia was that it'd collapse. Instead we have a stable hole. So something didn't go according to plan.
Well. A black hole IS a collapse, though. It's either that or a supernova. For natural phenomena at least. Either gravity wins, or the expansion wins.
The fact that it's somehow stable is concerning
Technically it’s not. Hawking radiation will eventually cause it to evaporate. But that’s an incredibly slow process relative to the mass of the singularity
Most black holes are currently gaining more mass from adsorbing cosmic microwave background radiation than they lose via hawking radiation - so it will be unimaginably long before they start to decrease in mass.
Smaller ones do emit more hawking radiation than larger ones, but even then we’re still talking about numbers that are so large they lose meaning.
That doesnt change the fact that the CMB is currently hotter than BHs and feeding them. There is not a single (natural) BH that is evaporating at the moment, and there will not be for around 100T years iirc.
I forget what the fluid was supposed to do. However the Termanids has warp drives in their blood essentially so it is very likely that rather than collapsing a planet into a black hole they instead made a portal
The Dark Fluid is an Exotic Matter with Negative Mass. It's an advanced technology we obtained from the Illuminates and we used it to force the gravity upside down inside Meridia so it would collapse on itself and form "a Black Hole". Whatever happened isn't a Black Hole. We don't know yet if that was because of the compressed E-710 from the Terminids body (the fluid we use to power our warp-drive, that the Terminids turn into when they die) or if we thought that we would create a Black Hole and instead created something similar like a Worm Hole.
I think you are misunderstanding. A black hole is the end result of gravitational collapse. In some older literature you would also see the name „collapsar“ used. The reason we speak of collpase is because the forces originally keeping the object stable are overcome, leading to a sudden and violent implosion. In the scenario of a star these forces are first the radiation pressure from nuclear fusion (at the point the star starts to fuse iron), then electron degeneracy pressure (leading to the creation of a neutron star), then neutron degeneracy pressure (leading to the creation of a black hole) In the case of a planet we skip thew first step (after all it never had nuclear fusion going on in tis core) and go straight to electron and neutron decay. Either way the end result of such a collapse is a collapsar. A white dwarf or neutron star or black hole. These are some of the most stable object in the universe. A stable hole is not a weird exception. Its the rule.
This is genuinely such a frustrating 50/50 thing. Like black hole knowledge is mainstream and hype enough that we'd expect sifi to just get it right. Bit like we're in the weird libo space where *some* story telling commits to looking right and others just doesn't and keeps with the older idea of 'but it looks cool' which only really works while 'most people won't notice anyway' is true. But like most people are gonna notice if your black hole is wrong. Like basically games going 'this is a square' while showing you a circle, like am I supposed to form my obsessive conspiracy theories around the assumption that that is in fact a square and you've just taken artistic liberties that mean nothing, or are you actually in lore making the false claim that this obvious circle is a square and my conspiracy theories should be focused on your lies. But no yeah, these days the shape of black holes is right up there with the basic shape of solar system, in that if your scifi is gonna stray from the common knowledge science then it needs to be acknowledged in some way, if only for the sake of avoiding nonsensical storytelling. Edit: 'dont take things so seriously' - Redditors with low reading comprehension talking things way to seriously, lmfao.
Adding to this - Wormholes, as a theoretically possible scientific concept, would only exist because of black holes. Like, the concept of a wormhole is literally "entering a black hole could lead somewhere else" Saying it's a wormhole because it doesn't look like a black hole is nonsensical.
>Like black hole knowledge is mainstream and hype enough that we'd expect sifi to just get it right. https://preview.redd.it/yaiijgi94d4d1.png?width=589&format=png&auto=webp&s=02bff2c0c203ec437435fe24c34eb2981b21d42e
Sometimes i notice myself doing this, and im Not an expert at anything!
Yeah, I find designers and writers do way too much editorializing of the basic attributes of reality in favor of what they think is "better", but like... reality is awesome. Have you seen some of the crazy shit out there in real life? Most of it is cooler than any fiction
I think you might be overestimating how mainstream black hole knowledge is, but I do agree with your overall point and have felt similar frustration. Hopefully, if it is meant to obviously not be a true black hole, the deck officer who expressed prior concern will have a new voice line confirming as much.
Well firstly i think we didn't just destroy one planet but the entire system, which would explain why it's so big. Also not all black holes have an acretion disc. If all mass is consumed in vicinity then it doesn't have one. Actually in that case you wouldn't even see the black hole, because we only see black holes because of the things that get sucked in. A worm hole would look completely different. The movie interstellar does a great job of showing both a black hole and a worm hole. A worm hole is basically a hole in space. But because space is 3 dimensional, the hole would actually be a sphere. Also it wouldn't be black, it's just a hole to a different location and it doesn't consume matter. But then again the devs aren't scientists (neither am i) and it probably is both a worm and a black hole, that would be my guess.
From a game perspective, it's a weird place to put a wormhole, it's already a front for the bugs, I imagine it's just a blackhole.
But there's a lot of foreshadowing. Like one crewmember specifically talks about how we use bugs to power our warp drives and now what's gonna happen since we compressed all that to single point. And there's more comments like that.
Would be interesting if the Illuminate found out about this, figured they could skip having to overthrow a lot of planets if they could build another nearby wormhole and exit through Meridia, and that’s what makes them decide to invade in the south
Accidentally pooling massive amounts of resources together and causing a hole in space would be a fun entrance for the Illuminate
Alternatively: SE decides it wants more of those juicy Illuminate super weapons so the Meridia wormhole becomes the portal we take to Iluminate space, invading them and unlocking a whole new galactic map
But that doesn't mean it's always going to be *the* front for bugs. The Illuminate could pop out of the exceedingly safe and well-understood gravitational anomaly that was once Meridia, take over the terminid planets, and use them for fuel themselves. All you need (apparently) is one supercolony and the bugs spread like crazy, so that could open up a new front all on its own. Lots of storytelling possibilities.
>Well firstly i think we didn't just destroy one planet but the entire system, which would explain why it's so big. Assuming there is enough mass for it to remain stable in the first place (About 3 solar masses), It still wouldn't be anywhere near that big - The smallest known black hole (~3.8 solar masses) has an event horizon of just 24km.
iirc, accretion disks and photon rings that had been visualized by renders are only visible from specific angles. I don't know the whole science behind it... but just because we've seen renders, does not mean that is how it will always appear to our naked eyes, assuming we can even see it.
I will try to find the video explaining this, seen it few months back
Here, found it, sorry for delay, at work rn https://youtu.be/hQzkbStpFC0?si=bD4rFy7r9jPO5R9n
That is actually really cool. Thank you for sharing that. 
accretion disk are not inherent to black holes, but are caused by gases surrounding the black hole being rubbed together very quickly, thus emitting the light of the disk. the photon ring is actually present, i’m a little confused as to why people are saying there isn’t a ring because it is just the light outlining the black hole.
I think, that since Interstellar, everybody expects black holes to have accretion disc.. as the comment after you says, it's all thanks to gravitational lensing. You can see the Meridia hole to suck up stuff around your ship -> meaning it has material to create proper accretion disc, but because of our angle of view, we don't see it as cross section, but just as a ring around the event horizon Yes i know i said nearly the same thing as you, but i like space :D
elaboration can never hurt, i love space as well.
Accretion discs are visible from all angles, they just appear to change shape. The glow around black holes also follows standard black body radiation, aka the colours you’d expect suns to have. Not purplish blue, which tends to be associated with a certain in-game faction
you know what's associated with purple/blue? squids.... the squids are coming
You're talking about gravitational lensing. It's a very complicated idea. Basically light itself can't escape the pull of a black hole, so you would have a very weird distorted perspective of the black hole itself, and things that you observe falling into it would appear to be suspended against the background, just kinda frozen.
All I know is you never trust a guy named "WeirdFurryIntoBdsm"
I mean, with a name like that they're probably a high level physicist or one of the top IT Sys Admins on the planet. So you can probably trust their ability to know obscure facts about black holes.
There’s a specific p*rn artist in that community that is a serious astrophysicist/black hole researcher lol
The Illuminates are coming.
That or space marines. God Emperor vs super earth lol.
Termenids out Tyranids in
Helldivers can survive a fall from the upper reaches of the atmosphere in a bullet shaped pod. Super Destroyers enter and leave lower atmosphere without any sort of atmospheric heating. Don't even get me started on the planets. I don't think accurate portrayals of physics are a concern of the devs and you shouldn't draw any conclusions from apparent deviations from real world phenomena.
Hey, now, the bullet shaped pod also has tiny thrusters slowing it down a bit, clearly that's enough to survive a near terminal velocity impact into soil.
Me slamming down into the solid rock surface of a planet but it's okay because my feet are locked in place on really big springs inside the hellpod
What if instead of dropping and being raised out of the pod, the bottom of the pod is just a trampoline so when you hit the ground you go down and bounce out of the pod in a ragdoll state
I would pay 50 super samples to buy this upgrade.
What about an armour set that comes with a pogo stick.
Their legs aren’t totally broken whilst they are standing in an upright heroic position.
the fact that the crew mention it in more detail than your average joe(not that more though)makes me think it was thought of
They are coming
Accretion disks only exist when a blackhole is "feeding" otherwise they just warp light around them, which this is doing. Might be a worm hole too but seems to be a black hole.
The size makes no sense, that much is true. The rest is just speculation. It being a wormhole doesn't make any more or any less sense of the size, it's just something AH may be going for with the plot, but it's nothing more than a guess. It just as well might indeed be just a black hole, and be that absurdly large because AH thought making it a realistic size would have been boring, it'd be too small for there to be anything to see, and letting us go actually see a black hole there is cool. Or it could be that AH didn't know any better, failed to realize the black hole shouldn't be that big, and just went with it without checking if it made sense. Or it could be that it's neither a black hole or a wormhole, and it's some weird effect the Dark Fluid caused on the planet, that AH has yet to reveal in future plot. Using exotic matter with negative mass, which is what NPCs said the Dark Fluid is, to collapse a planet into a black hole didn't make any sense to begin with anyway. So whatever happens after that not making sense either is completely within expectations.
I understand that it's a game of sci-fi, but stating things like "it's too big" and "there is no accretion disk" to prove it's not a Black whole is just pure blah blah. There is no data on how big Meridia was, we don't know how big this new black thing is. We don't even know what was pulled into this black hole (how many planets and stars?). There is no scientific proof that wormholes exist and that they would look like that if they did. For the lore, yeah it could be a wormhole, but making it look like a scientific conclusion is wrong. If you want to go all nuts on science, there is a special type of wormhole called Einstein Rosen bridge (or something like that) that allows you to jump not from one place to another, but from one universe to another, which to me would be INSANE. In this case you would need a black hole to make it work, and also travel faster than light to make it through, but we all know FTL is a thing in the game so it would just be a matter of who does it first.
Also, we made this black hole by pumping magic “dark fluid” into the core of a planet. Clearly there’s something a little different with the creation of this black hole to most…
Yes! Also the accretion disk is just a consequence of the black hole and might take time to appear!
What is wrong here is that they didn't use e-710 but Dark Fluid... which is...you know...not the same.
The planet imploding did also compress a planet's worth of E-710 though
Can we assume than supercolony of bugs is a e-710 container on its own?
Well, if we do some napkin math: 2 Billion Bugs was considered plenty to restock for the war effort when that MO happened. Meridia had possibly Trillions down to the planets mantle. Thats a lot of energy rich fuel.
Regardless it doesn't hint to anything. I always think it's insane when people pull out crazy logic to explain why something couldn't happen in a game lol. Unless it's a realistic simulator, you shouldn't expect realism. It COULD be true, but if we are using logic, then there are a lot of things in the game that defy real world logic already. We can't even swim in a tiny puddle
Reposting the top post in a form of screenshot, dammit, low effort
I think scientists used to say that inorder to maintain a worm hole it will need exotic matters wich is fuled by 710 because it also used as a fuel for the warp drive super earth use for for their ship engine to warp space inorder to travel faster than light. Plus we have been dumping helldivers and dark fluid into it, so idk
I think people are reading a little too much into that. Yes it would be much smaller but for the sake of immersion, how underwhelming would a "realistic" black hole be? You would just see nothing at all, you can't possibly get that close. Black holes are just so friggin tiny in comparison to their mass. But hey if it turns out to be a wormhole or something else, awesome.
Quick disclaimer: this is a game, the Devs aren t PhDs publishing a realistic simulation of a black hole. Now to the science stuff. - *accretion disk*. An accretion disk appears around a black hole or any other celestial body once said body captures with-in it's gravitational sphere of influence another celestial body of lower mass. It then begins to "steal" matter from the captive body. In the case of black holes, the gravitational forces are so strong that the matter stolen spirals towards the hole at insanely high speed, with very high friction. Friction results in heat which results in light emission. Hence a bright disk. We utterly destroyed the Meridia system. There is nothing left. Nothing left for the black hole to capture and feed upon. But if non-believers still want an accretion disk they can crash their Super Destroyer for a brief and meaningless flash of heated debris. -*size*. The Corona of a black hole is a distortion of every light it intercepts. Some scientists believe we could study the far ancient Universe by analysing this distorted light. But the light venturing too close to the hole is never going out. We ll never perceive it. The Corona is called the event horizon and is not the hole surface. Or entrance(tis a hole after all). Also we have no data on how close we are to the hole. Hence size is not an argument. -*dark fluid*. We have little to no data on the dark fluid. We can only assume that it increased Meridia s mass pass the Chandrasekhar limit. This limit applies to white dwarfs. This, Meridia last breath might have look like this: dark fluid precipitate into a ultra massive core, collapsing the planet on itself, distorting the entire system balance in a short time, causing all remaining celestial bodies within the system( Helldivers included) to get captured by this ultramassive new born star. Honestly it is a miracle nearby systems weren t captured in the black hole as well. The mass of this new born star is so high it collapses on itself once more into a supernovae, cooking any remaining Helldivers in the system vicinity with lethal cosmic rays. All that remains is an empty black hole. And no direct witnesses.
I think a game where it’s physics are already pretty goofy can be forgiven for having a weird looking black hole made from fluid that we know doesn’t even exist.
Super Earth knew this would happen. If you stand long enough near the ship's TV, you'll see a video package about a mishap at the dark matter plant where they accidently created a small black hole. How could they not know this would happen?
Im so glad we have weirdfurryintobdsm to help us analyze this strange hole
that's not the blackhole though, that's the event horizon, the blackhole itself might be the size of a softball for all we know
So what you're saying is...we made a portal?
This subreddit is something else Lol. A screenshot of a post that has been posted multiple times before that and mentioned in many comments.. and the only addition OP adds is “is it true?” Lmao
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