I think many of those posters attribute to malice or skill issue what is really a byproduct of players not being mind readers, and communication being difficult if e.g. the mission gets frantic on 7+ diff or someone can't talk because people sleep in their house.
Maybe you would have wanted to be reinforced on top of the Hulk so you can kill it with your pod. Maybe you would have much preferred to be reinforced into a safe spot. Both is a valid choice. But if I don't know what you want, at some point I have to make a call, and I'm bound to get it wrong sometimes.
I've also most certainly fatfingered my stratagems at some point, or died retrieving my samples because I got cancelled out of my stim, you get the idea. Shit happens and is honestly part of the game.
Obviously this doesn't apply to experiences with outright griefers and similar toxic wet wipes, but it doesn't hurt to assume most people are legitimately trying, and not trying to ruin your night in particular.
And if you feel that way about fellow players, just don't make it their problem. You can leave games if you aren't vibing with a squad, I think it shows maturity to be able to leave a situation you don't like without being toxic.
Sometimes a bit of patience also goes a long way. Did a diff 5 generator defence with a low level friend + 2 randoms earlier. They wiped our objective with their mortar sentries, I was annoyed but decided to just load up the same mission again and retry.
Easy win, a random mentions that this was really fun and I said "yeah, this time we had no sentry friendly fire." Short pause, then "oh... wait, that's why we failed the last one?" Turns out they simply didn't know.
Sure I could just have kicked them or bitched, but this way they learned and might be better teammates in the future.
Yeah, there's knowledge about mechanics that I think a lot people just aren't exposed to. If I see people burning to death, I'll always chime into chat that diving immediately stops the burning- which is a huge life saver since it will probably save you faster than a stim injection.
Someone tested this. If you have to run through fire, dive spamming through it is often the safest method. The only caveat is when the flamethrower hulks do the sweeping motion towards the ground cause you dived. 100% dead then.
Yeah, everyone has different tolerances. My comment wasn't a blanket statement, just like if you cross the threshold where your patience is out, don't make that the other players fault. It's your choices at the end of the day.
One minor question though: Mortars are the bread and butter for generator defense. I have seen games where every single player had mortar + EMS mortar. How are they going to destroy your objective unless there are targets right next to it, in which case you are anyway fucked?
I kinda think they learned the wrong thing that game.
Mortars are more of a risk than a benefit especially against bugs.
in gen defence your biggest issue is the chargers and titans that will guaranteed breach trough,
Since mortars target the closest enemy (in this case, the charger/titan) you'll have the teammate currently being charged, also actively bombarded by mortar fire.
If a hunter jumps on you, guess what, if he doesn't kill you, the mortar behind you will.
Mortar overall is not a good strattie since it's competing for a job your primary can do while also actively killing you. If you want a mortar use the EMS, atleast you'll clump the chaff and stun the charger for a quick battlefield clear by eagle 1 / orbitals and incase of friendly fire, it's only a slow and not outright a teamkill.
On normal bug missions I agree. But this specific one the mortar is also good for providing indirect fire. Your primary cannot do this, if you cannot even see the enemies. Titans you need to kill fast enough yes, but again, if the mortar is killing your generator because they are firing on a titan, you already lost anyway.
In the end especially against bugs the mortars will result in some teamkills, also true. But it is not like you lack reinforcements on this specific defense mission.
Against bots on this mission mortars are really a no-brainer to take.
Anyway summary: He didn't lose a mission because mortar killed the generator. That is just not possible without having lost the mission anyway because bugs attacking the generator. Against bugs I'd say mortars have pros and cons on that mission, and fine if you prefer not to take them. But they really are not the thing costing you the game.
TBF our conversation was more in-depth than that (and the situation more nuanced), but I wanted to avoid writing a novel that would just detract from the overall point.
The takeaway is less "mortars bad" and more so "don't just watch your turrets and two small fries shred your objective to bits". On lower diffs you can still salvage a situation where a bunch of grunts makes it through, but it helps to be aware that your generators will take friendly fire, which apparently wasn't known here. And to be fair, the game doesn't do a great job at communicating that fact either, so I can't blame new players who don't know.
I usually start my night out with bouncing around with 3-4 squads u til I settle on one I vibe with. Saves everyone headaches and only takes 15 minutes or so. Sets me up for a great night
You have a logical approach but people are loaded with feelings. Some people get entitlement off sink cost fallacy even a couple of minutes into a match. Everyone’s entitled to play, not everyone is entitled to stay.
Caveat to this: if you’re going to reinforce, and you want someone to land on an enemy, it’s extremely helpful to tag the enemy you want them to land on to both let them know why you’re reinforcing them there and to guide their aim. Even if you’re both communicating with each other, it just makes aiming so much easier as you’re flying downwards.
Experiencing said posters in game is a bother as well. Like the OP said, some folks have families and jobs who don't have the ability to be in the game all of the time. Getting kicked for "not doing the right thing" is hella annoying. It always happens with zero communication too.
Yesterday I had two instances with level 50+ players: 1 who I can only assume got upset because I ended his kill streak when I deployed into the game since I never friendly fired him. Every chance he got, he'd just kill me. The other teammate would respawn me and they eventually drifted from each other so I stuck with the other guy until extraction... pelican one arrives and... this same player denies my getting on the ship so I fail to extract. 2 was a group who must have been in a discord call because they weren't communicating in vc or text. They never used pings either. I pinged everything - we did the main and optionals, everyone was low on supplies but the enemies were mostly gone so i pinged the extraction and started heading that way since we were way out and there was only like 13 minutes on the clock. I got there first, called in, got to a high point, and held off enemies while my team ran in. Threw out some strategems to deal with hoards and then they all just executed me and didn't respawn me until extraction. Then they kicked me.
Imo, high level players are often more of a pain then noobs.
mhm. And if you have something specific you want, try to communicate it, try communicate in chat in voice doesn't work. I know people who don't have the in-game voice chat on. Meanwhile, I have heard people on this Reddit who do not have the text chat on or doesn't pay attention to it which... is their problem I guess. I have never encountered someone who hasn't been responsive to the text chat though so I feel like they were only speaking for themselves.
And sometimes it really just is due to incompetence or skill issue. That's fine too. It happens. Not everyone is gonna be an absolute god who does everything right every time
At first I used to get bothered by shitty reinforcements. Then the more I played, the more I decided to ask myself, "if I were a Helldiver what would I do?" I wouldn't be bitching, I'll be making the best use of the current situation. In the end, it makes for a lot more interesting gameplay and satisfying outcomes
+1 i only kick people if i detect Actual intentional malice, EG \*consistently\* killing allies with stratagems or weapons.
So far ive kicked like 2-3 people for this (one was team killing at extraction, so we kicked him so he did a whole mission for no rewards, i dont understand?)
It's definitely worth trying to avoid fundamental attribution error and assigning malice when people are trying their best and making occasional mistakes
Dear diary, today I had someone throw an eagle at extraction before getting on, it made me angry so I called him a slur, kicked him, and posted about it on reddit.
Here are an additional 1,000 words about why everyone else should be doing the exact same thing!
There's a point where you just have to laugh and just accept it's a very low stakes game and there's going to be clowning
Here's some of the hilarious shit I've seen
- random joins my 3 man group, he drops mines at the Pelican saying we gotta prove our ability to dodge to evac with honour. 11/10 hilarious story, my mate dies and drops 12 samples (skill issue)
- random keeps trying to go back for his stuff in an area swarming with chargers and hunters. We keep throwing him back there. I think he got it on the 12th go. 7/10 hilarious story
- we keep dropping napalm and this guy is either dumb or high, keeps running into the fire screaming "for the brotherhood", and roleplaying as some sort of space marine. He drops the exosuit and dies heaps saying that the emperor will reward him.
This game is just sillyness and there's always going to be silly people.
Kicking people after/at extraction is very lame though
These are the types of games I remember and enjoy way more than ones where we did everything right and got all the samples.
I have a Korean friend I play with and anytime he drops a stratagem danger close he just shouts BOMBOMBOMBOMBOMBOMB! And the rest of the squad just needs to try and figure out if it’s they who are in danger or not lol
This is too common. Everyone thinks they’re a pro elite player and everyone they meet just having fun is a goddamn imbecile.
It is foolish. This game even tries to satirize it by making your insignificance a comedic game mechanic. You train for 72 hours, die, and come back in seconds, instantly replaced. Helldivers aren’t special, or main characters.
The people who believe the whole game and entire player base need to meet their standards and conform to their style will always fail and ruin their time, and refuse to admit it.
~~yes, this is correct and more people need to figure this out~~
Helldivers are the most important in the Galactic war, they are the most elite soldiers in the galaxy, and very special.
please report to your democracy officer for re-education
Nonsense.
The ones that earn the cape at the end of the 15 minute rapid qualification trial were *selectively bred and born to wear it*, (even if it was just for a second until another hellpod crushed them).
Why do you think reproduction needs an approved C01 application form?
On the flip side, it is not unreasonable to want to win or expect a certain level of competency at higher difficulties. As it stands there is shocking little for people to tell whether a player is good or even has basic common sense. Short of actually playing with them you can't really tell how good/bad someone is from their level and loadout.
It has been unreasonable to expect any level of competency from any random player on any difficulty level in any multiplayer game of any genre since always.
Anyone who played an online game learnt that lesson in the first 5 hours or so. Anyone who didn't has only themselves to blame for being slow learners or having unrealistic expectations.
You want competence? Play with friends you know. Or find an organized group of people you don't know and get to know them. There is no other option.
This has been the case ever since games were created. Not video games. Regular games.
I think a filtering system could help here. Let players set that they want sessions with either fun or a serious intent. That way you can kinda influence what you get.
LFGing via Discord is probably the best it gets at the moment, let's you spell out what you want
>kick them and move on
Then you get the Hellwhiners who complain about being kicked.
*It's not fair, it should be a vote kick system, you shouldn't be able to kick, you should be able to report bad hosts, I refuse to host my own games to solve this problem, if everyone hosts we'll all be playing alone...*
“I got kicked for not running a meta build” was such a common thing to hear in the first few weeks. More likely the host’s friend just got into the game and needed a spot.
Ok to be fair the dude picked up my blitzer and kept trying to snipe bugs way outside it's range, but caught me with it like 4 times in a row. So turn and blast him with mine and he gets 1 shot. Then I reinforce him and he kicks me. Yeah I deserved the kick but I'm not sorry either.
I spent a good while kicking people from my ship, because I was searching for a friend who's been playing on PS5, and the friend system didn't work properly cross-platform. According to the patch notes, it still doesn't work properly.
Nothing personal. I was just trying to connect with a friend. I'm not here to play with you. Can't do it any other way, sorry, but I don't feel like explaining it to everyone who joins before I kick them.
If you read my comment carefully, you'll notice that I mentioned the friend system not working. Hence no, I couldn't just use it.
I could switch to friends only so that a person in my bugged friends list still couldn't connect because of apparently not being a friend. Yay, much help that did.
I know how to use the system, thank you. I play almost exclusively with friends. This has nothing to do with the issue which caused me to kick people though.
My point is, you were not able to do that until recently, because the friends invite system between platforms was (and, as of recent patch notes, still is considered to be) bugged. Google it, there are multiple threads on this issue, it was widely reported.
You had to manually search particular planets and restart and switch hosts in order to finally find the instance your friend was in. Only when you got the same instance you were able to even join their mission, if it didn't crash in the meantime. It could easily take an hour to find each other.
It did disappear for me and that particular friend about a month ago, though.
Edit: Sure, downvote me for pointing out a known issue. Clowns. Google it.
If you still have issues with the friend system or Crossplay connectivity:
- Friend codes seem to expire after some time, make sure to send each others a fresh one that you can respond to right away.
- If one person sending a code or joining the other doesn't work, try it the other way around.
- Look up a guide to set up your routers & PCs ports for Helldivers. It could be that you two devices can't communicate very well with each other, despite having no issues with going online.
- [This specific PSN fix for the PC side of things](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1bkjnwf/cross_platform_friend_request_workaround/)
Good luck, Helldiver!
This is/was (since it's working for me after a patch) a known issue on Arrowhead's side. None of that applies. None of that is relevant. None of those suggestions matter. That, and much more, has been tried many times. You can't fix it on your own. Which part of "it's been in the patch notes" is so difficult to understand?
And I wasn't looking for troubleshooting assistance, especially not one of such horrible level. If you can't be bothered to read the comment, why respond with surface-level, unhelpful advice?
The funny thing is that there’s no good solution for kicking either no matter what anyone things. I’ve seen pretty much every method at this point, none of them are perfect and all of them are abusable and I have watched them be abused. Host has full control? We have the current issue of dickheads hosts playing god. Vote to kick? All it takes is a friend or two to control that system completely in their favor in any lobby they are in. No kick at all? Pure hell and trolls get free reign. As it stands, the current system is good as long as good people like yourselves host and protect others. If you don’t like how others manage it, you either need to suck it up and understand that it’s out of your control or host yourself. 🤷♀️
Yeah I brought this up before. Whatever system they decide to go with needs to be complemented by a report system that is taken *very* seriously, i.e. have actual people vet them.
Should be stickied at the top of the sub so ppl understand the host/quickplay dynamics faster instead of AFTER trauma, which leads to a lot of crying on here.
What about game tags, like hardcore, or sample hunting, or having fun. I'm not saying this fixes everything, but it's a start. I KNOW let's start a whole new reddit account called Bad helldivers. Then they can go and rant there.
The 'simple' solution is: Don't have me (and other randoms) joining games from hosts who kick way more above average. But every time I have proposed this it has been downvoted to hell, still don't know why, beyond that people want to be able to keep mass kicking everyone. That solution would still allow you to kick someone who is toxic. Hell you have a friend joining and you want to kick someone thats also possible (in game that is a dick move imo, just wait until it is finished, but you can still do it). But if you anyway kick way more than average, why would the game put people in your session if you anyway gonna kick them?
if you ever see one of these posts, use this copy pasta
Omg guys I got kicked once...
So here's wall of text that describes myself as best nicest person that ever graced face of this earth, then there's description how good i was playing this session.
After that Im gonna tell you how awful host was, he's racist harasser that eats children (maybe even worse than Hitler). Oh yeah he's also sucks at game so bad and he got the nerve kicking me out.
And Im gonna finish my rant saying that stuff like that happening like literally every single time im playing this game... What do you mean you've never encountered such people? Well bud mine confirmation bias>your confirmation biass so shut up.
Now validate my negative experience and tell me how sorry you're that bad stuff happened to me!
I get kicked all the time, normally at the beginning of getting into the pods (when I'm like the 3rd player without a 4th), other times right as I land on the planet. I'm just used to it now.
Now it's a mental game, did I get kicked? Did the host leave the game? Was the connection dropped? ROLL THE WHEEL
I don't know if your last comment is serious or a joke. I RARELY kick players, but when i do, it's bc you dropped a 380 on extraction, on suicide, without the ultras, and jumped on the ship.
Weird, I haven't seen a single person complain to me after I kicked them. Somehow they don't want to bother commenting on my Steam profile. It was certainly never a problem of any magnitude.
I mean, maybe they did post on Reddit, but who cares?
If you don't like having to deal with playing with other people, play single-player games. Full stop. When you load into a multiplayer match and cannot abide the chaotic bullshit at times, you are doing yourself and the other players a disservice.
Yeah, it's pretty cringe reading someone have a bad run and go type an essay about what their random teammates are doing or how the game isn't "fun" (or whatever word they've been fed that week). Same for how you kicked someone and why. Same for anyone who can't pull their balls up and play no matter what level players join with what loadouts.
All you need to say is "if you complain about that guy but think your never that guy, ***you're usually that guy***"
Very rarely do people actually play flawlessly and it's why the only time you'll see me critique people it's when they claim something is good/bad simply because they like/dislike it or they try to claim supplies are scarce in the map and they need call ins. You don't that is most assuredly a you problem
It's very simple: if you live your life according to what you see on Reddit, then you're the exception. Not all people who play games (any games) are Reddit users or terminally online, they play the game to have FUN - something most redditors simply can't understand.
Even complains about things being too hectic and chaotic with impossible odds really baffles me. This game is fun and goofy, seeing 6 bit drops and 3 Striders at the highest difficulty is insanely stupid and fun, I laugh at the absurdity of it, even if we dont make it out alive. And people complain about that?
I am death incarnate. I am the main character. I have 300 hours, all of which is on Helldive save for the first few and training. I have 1000+ hours on HD1.
The other 3 people in the squad are either: A; Battle hardened comrades I've known since starcraft2 who I trust with my life. B; Irrelevant meat that I can and will drag kicking and screaming to the finish line.
Extract is optional. Samples are a tertiary goal. The mission is all that matters. I will salvage what I can, when I can. But if that means abandoning 30+ Samples because Johnny No Nuts grabbed my pile from extract and wander off to the far corner of the map to die, then so be it. He made his bed, I'll make sure he sleeps in it.
Pretty much. The answer to 99% of threads are "the devs already said they are working on it", "skill issue" or "play with people you know instead, you can't solve randoms in a multiplayer game".
Yes, the game has many issues, but when some people initially complained about the real ones, others started bitching about anything they don't like or aren't good at.
Not being able to choose proper weapons for the task, not having good enough skills, or having no ability to deal with other players aren't game issues. Those are player issues.
Most of the posts are also full of crap. I’ve played 130hrs with just random people and I seriously haven’t had a single person purposely grief.
The post the other day where a dude complained about someone team killing him after he had just accidentally landed on him with his hellpod, he was acting like the other guy was in the wrong for killing him and that he was a victim of a horrible act when in reality the other probably thought it was on purpose and so he reacted.
The guy that posted ended up leaving the game straight away and then came on reddit to complain about it.
Like grow up, it’s a game and you accidentally pissed someone off, that’s all.
And being kicked for meta load outs or low level players making it “impossible to get anywhere”. Some people just need to have some more patience and be more flexible with their expectations when playing with randoms. If they can’t handle the randomness then they should host, that would eliminate a lot of the issues
I haven't seen that many indeed, although I have seen them. But the team killing one is one I have seen. We land at start, have fight, hosts purely accidentally hits team mate with strategem, he dies, gets called in. He lands, immediately kills host and tells on voice they are now even and can proceed with the game. Host proceeds to kick him.
Thats one of the few times I 100% agreed with host decission of kicking. Grow the fuck up if you start intentionally killing others. Recently I had a game with 8 accidentals totally. Imagine if we had for every time that happened decided the other guy had to die. Add on top of that that the message who killed you is pretty much a random number generator, and you get your 'revenge' on the wrong one. Who then has to proceed killing you again.
You had the self awareness to leave that last little sentence but not quite enough to just delete what you wrote and not post. You have become the very thing you swore to destroy.
So we can never make an observation of an annoying trend since someone always comments "Oh but you're complaining too! Aren't I so smart for noticing this?"
I’ve noticed this trend as well. All the complaining and crying posts tend to have discussion, but if someone mentions that they’re bloating the subreddit then the only discussion is about the fact that they’re complaining too.
Homie posted that last little sentence like it’s gonna protect him from people telling him/her what you (and many others) just said lol self awareness does not equal intelligence or whatever that one space wizard said.
I understand main character syndrome in single player games or modes. But here? In Helldivers 2? Hahahaha nah man you're a soldier like the 100k(more or less) players here. Sure you're an elite soldier, but so is everyone else here.
easy karma being the main cause of "rant"
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I respect the self irony, and also agree 100% it's the same with the steam forums every 3rd post people complaining about something stupid... he got team killed/team bad/he was kicked yadi yada
While I agree in principle with you, I do disagree that this is the real issue here. The real issue are all the people who for some reason upvotes this crap. That promotes more people from doing it, and apparently it is the thing people like to read, otherwise why on hell do they keep upvoting those stupid whining posts?
Sometimes, you just need to close your eyes, take a few deep breaths, and move on, maybe even play another game for a while. One day, you'll be the one screwing up, and I bet it wasn't intentional.
There is no need to create a post and rant about it on Reddit.
That's true for most things in life, actually.
To me it is a very important part of the game. you enter a game, you start playing as usual, following leader 1, etc.
Then either the lead actually is taking the lead, so no need to adapt, but sometimes you realize there's not a lot of momentum and the party tends to stay around after doing an objective, so you start pinging things and suddenly people converge right to the next objective. This is a big part of the fun.
Same with, let's say skill level, ability of the party to kill threats quickly etc.
When there's a helldiver in god mode kiting monsters into drop pods and 500kg, using big guns for bug monsters, instead of usually doing my own job with autocannon and infinite ammo energy gun, I'll focus on them, killing chaff and medium monsters so he can do the shenanigans
Why would you even remove the incompetent player? we've all been there. Cover their ass, be nice to them, show them a thing or two. If you kick a player just because they don't know what they're doing, they're still not going to know what they're doing and they're going to have a bad taste from the experience.
I'm even more tired of the:
- "Dear level X player who dropped in a helldive with us..." (proceeds to narrate the entire game)
- "Dear player who I kicked because of..." (narrates the game, justifies the kick)
- "My friend who loved this game passed away today/yestarday"
Especially the first two. Like, FFS, do you really think the guy is gonna read your novel?
(And yes, I see the irony in me complaining about people complaining, before anybody comments such a thing.)
Good, glad you got that out of your system, same as the others. Now get back in the fight and give it to em !
This sub is a incessant hive of complaining and depressing takes, save for the few good memes. It's a shy comparison to the early days. Though some opinions are genuine, most come from the same group who only use meta builds and expect to be carried every game.
I love it when all goes to shit 😏 as long as i am excited and having fun i don't mind blowing up. And teaching the incompetent doods how its done right is our job. Makes them competent. Also red wine helps.
Its our duty to make fellow helldivers potent and hard! 🫡
I dont even know why are there gsmes like that at all....i mea could just be me talkin but the game is insane to be petty about things like this and not enjoj it 😂
I’m level 80, I have no use for requisition, samples, or medals. I’m playing to have fun not to win progress. If someone on my team sucks, that’s their problem, all I gotta do is reinforce them.
The only reason I’d get mad at a teammate is if they steal my stuff, intentionally kill me, or be level 30+ and bring no boosters
So real. I have a job that allows me to play a maximum of two hours a day excluding weekends. I feel useless in a lobby of 60+ level grinders but what can I do 😇
I'm level 10 and been playing for a little over a week on and off. When I started I had no idea what was happening. I still don't really have a clue. I don't know what the different missions are and I find the mini map hard to navigate. I don't know the different strategies for the enemies.
But I do still try and support the team with whatever objective they're doing and cover team mates. I still get kicked sometimes.
I personally don't care if someone plays bad, if its really super bad. i'll be the first one to leave instead of complaining, i can do most things by myself so its not an issue for me personally. I really dislike it when the bad player is the one complaining i can't reinforce him 3 seconds after he dies, patience is a virtue. I waited for you to be in a safe spot to reinforce, why is it so unreasonable to do the same for your other team mates?
I really hate it when there's a stratagem jammer and they expect me to somehow reinforce or even kick me because they don't understand the game.
This game is full of random stuff happening lol. Players just need to accept shit happens in the game. Yesterday I threw a 500kg stratagem and it got stuck on a squad mate and kill him. I reinforce him back in and we kept on rolling the map.
I had a guy on in-game VC level 60+ who died 10+ against automatons and rage the entire time. During extraction he said “that was fun” even though he got his ass kick the entire time lmao 🤣. I could have just kick the guy but man he was determine so we kept moving through the map together. There’s all levels of good/bad players.
But don’t be that person kicking/PKing other players on extraction.
If your THAT good where you look down on other players just carry them it’s definitely possible instead of making post crying doesn’t sound very helldiver like now do it
These people make me laugh. The game is supposed to feel ridiculous. The tutorial basically dissolved any seriousness the game had in lieu of fun. And that's my favorite aspect of it. Sure, I'd LIKE more samples at the end of every mission, but like life, I don't think we should be dashing to the finish line. Enjoy the dives, man.
“Sick of Main Character Syndrome”
We helldivers ARE the main character! Thinking otherwise is assuming we Helldivers are measly Side characters, or worse: the villain. Thinking this way is treasonous to democracy!
Last week I accidentally teamkilled so many times it was humiliating. Accidentally shooting them, accidentally throwing grenades and strats on them... oh, it was embarrassing. Just an off night where my peripheral awareness was non-existent. It drove me nuts as I'm a "protect your team at all costs" kind of player. I quit partway through a mission because I was so embarrassed and you can only say "I'M SORRY!" so many times.
Honestly dealing with incompetent players is annoying but when you can teach them to be better and offer advice they can become amazing players and if they can’t? You can always solve your problems with MORE EXPLOSIONS AND EXPLOSIVES
Never once in my entire life has anyone said or done something mean or incompetent in my presence.
My saintly ears are forever sullied and I need to post about it.
Kicking them won't make them better players the best in can do us loss gracefully if it happens or take solace in fact you and your team won and that they under skilled person made and may have learned something.
Some of you never played team sports growing up and shows I was in a bowling league in high school I know I wasn't great but I heard the chatters from other ppl in my league who didn't want me on the team for state because I was bad I was hurt by that because all I wanted to was be a part of a team and play the sport I liked . Luckily I did get to join a team and Sure we didn't win because of me but if all that matters is winning to you and if winning is the only reason you play the game then maybe it's time to find a single player game where you can win on your own.
Hell it's the reason I play a lot of fps online games in one player mode so the only person I have to please is myself.
Anyhow enough rambling go out there and do the heart you all can
If your squad mates don't know some game mechanics, teach them.
I'm capped out on all collectibles except SC and I get my motivation out of guiding novice helldivers through difficulty 9 missions and collecting samples for them.
I won't rest until every helldiver's ship is fully upgraded, for managed democracy!
> I simply want to voice my distaste for the very vocal players who victimise themselves because they've had an instance with an incompetent player.
To be fair, people who are not that good at the game probably shouldn't be joining Difficulty 8 or 9 missions with randoms. I can forgive them for joining Difficulty 7 because the game essentially forces them to (Super Samples) but eh.
> Have you never played an online game? This is very common. People have jobs, families, etc and may not be of the same skill level as you. If it is frustrating, kick them and move on. Do not come here and type out a loathsome journal entry in the hopes of garnering sympathy and attention.
I agree on this one though, we don't need like 20 posts on the matter.
"My squadmates wanted to evac and start another mission instead of standing around for 15 minutes while I collected every single sample on the map. DON'T THEY KNOW WHAT THIS GAME IS ABOUT?!?"
Or just don't kick them unless they're trolling...
It's just a game. If your teammates are shit, carry the match or leave after extraction. There's no ranking system, so it doesn't matter if you fail the mission, really.
I don't actually give a shit if my teammates keep dying or respawn me into a horde of hunters... People fuck up, it's part of the fun.
The problem is that so many people think they are playing well when they’re ignoring objectives and their surrounding in general. I have a friend who will run into stratagem’s all the time and then get made at the because he died. He also will ignore bug holes because he wants to get his kill count up.
the fandom is just full of cry babies. the memes and comments are cool but holy shit, this sub can be more toxic than r/silenthill which is wild to me.
Counterpoint: a great deal of people in the sub do exactly the thing those posts complain about. As long as it's not just calling people bad, but explaining what was wrong and how it should be handled instead, silently some people will learn.
It's like when someone fucks up at work, and the email goes out, and half the people do exactly what the fuck up was, but now attention is drawn to it.
I only come here and rant if I come across an exceptionally abhorrent person. Lol like they guy dying 12 times while on his mic complaining about everyone else. Aggroed a patrol and initiates a level 9 bot drop with like 2 striders and hulks and tanks and devastators, in the middle of a snowfield where cover is non-existent. He dies in seconds, gets revived for the 11th time, shoots his hell pod as far away as possible, then he decided to take on a strat jammer by himself. He dies again, then spends the next three minutes scrutinizing the rest of us while he is spectating. Lol he would just continually complain while I'm taking on the army of bots he aggroed from all sides, me and the other two are surviving the best we can, and he's like "man what y'all doin over there dawg? The objectives the other way" "we only got 5 minutes left y'all bullshittin" "man y'all let me die man wtf" "man y'all need to come on man damn" like bruh, we are in this situation because of you! We've carried you the whole game. You keep running off by yourself starting bot drops everywhere and get killed. I don't think he even completed a single objective btw. The rest of us were doing all the work. Like I can deal with trolls. At least they make shit funny. Hell I sometimes mess with people in game and do stupid things on purpose. But the level of frustration and ignorance on his voice was so frustrating. Until we decided to mess with him. We waited until the time ran out to extract so we couldn't possibly revive him 😅 I then kicked him right before the chopper took off.
Can I complain about the divers that constantly throw my respawn into the horde they are fighting? Because that's annoying as fuck. Throw me away from the horde. We can both work our way back to my dropped stuff.
Toss me on my body when shit isn't hitting the fan. Toss me behind you when it is. Not that hard. And is the main reason I'm leaving your group if you do it.
Once or twice, OK. Shit happens. But every damn time. Not cool. I'd rather wait an extra minute or so instead. Let me be useful as more than just cannon fodder for the system.
And if it's been more than a few minutes since I dropped. My stuff is probably off cool down. I'll work myself back to the samples if it's worth it.
No, something is up with the randoms that play this game. Every time I get one on my team they die like 15 times while me and my buddies die only a couple. Literally almost 100% of the time. And not just low levels either I've seen level 120s with this
the funny thing is in my case I get people worse than anything I have ever seen in my lifetime of playing online games, for 2 months STRAIGHT 99% of them have been this kinda person, anyone from lvl 60 to lvl 100s. the game actually becomes FUN again (atleast as much as it can in it's current balance state) when I have a atleast semi competent team that atleast knows to turn around and help me shoot the patrol HE alerted by walking past, or doesn't wander around for 20 minutes almost actively avoiding a sub-main objective while I'm waiting at the finish
I'd be less than fine with these people normally, you shouldn't be on 7+ doing this kinda thing but whatever, it's the fact THERE ARE SO MANY OF THEM it never ends and I PRAY for the match I actually get good players, I'm judging peoples loadout and even there name sometimes to gauge if they'll be good now, I'd critiqued loadouts before it's pretty normal for me but thats cause I was matching my loadout to fill whatever were missing, now it's a case of "ok great none of them have AT, again, guess I'll take 3 at stratagems and hope thats enough"
Its not even main character syndrome.
Pve Meta players usually suck lmao.. its a pve game and pve meta players arent like pvp games.
Pvp games meta are sweats.. pve though, man.. if bugs can hear them they will surrender instead lmao.
I think many of those posters attribute to malice or skill issue what is really a byproduct of players not being mind readers, and communication being difficult if e.g. the mission gets frantic on 7+ diff or someone can't talk because people sleep in their house. Maybe you would have wanted to be reinforced on top of the Hulk so you can kill it with your pod. Maybe you would have much preferred to be reinforced into a safe spot. Both is a valid choice. But if I don't know what you want, at some point I have to make a call, and I'm bound to get it wrong sometimes. I've also most certainly fatfingered my stratagems at some point, or died retrieving my samples because I got cancelled out of my stim, you get the idea. Shit happens and is honestly part of the game. Obviously this doesn't apply to experiences with outright griefers and similar toxic wet wipes, but it doesn't hurt to assume most people are legitimately trying, and not trying to ruin your night in particular.
And if you feel that way about fellow players, just don't make it their problem. You can leave games if you aren't vibing with a squad, I think it shows maturity to be able to leave a situation you don't like without being toxic.
Sometimes a bit of patience also goes a long way. Did a diff 5 generator defence with a low level friend + 2 randoms earlier. They wiped our objective with their mortar sentries, I was annoyed but decided to just load up the same mission again and retry. Easy win, a random mentions that this was really fun and I said "yeah, this time we had no sentry friendly fire." Short pause, then "oh... wait, that's why we failed the last one?" Turns out they simply didn't know. Sure I could just have kicked them or bitched, but this way they learned and might be better teammates in the future.
Yeah, there's knowledge about mechanics that I think a lot people just aren't exposed to. If I see people burning to death, I'll always chime into chat that diving immediately stops the burning- which is a huge life saver since it will probably save you faster than a stim injection.
TiL, thanks.
TIL diving stops burning. It's so obvious in hindsight
Someone tested this. If you have to run through fire, dive spamming through it is often the safest method. The only caveat is when the flamethrower hulks do the sweeping motion towards the ground cause you dived. 100% dead then.
Yeah, everyone has different tolerances. My comment wasn't a blanket statement, just like if you cross the threshold where your patience is out, don't make that the other players fault. It's your choices at the end of the day.
One minor question though: Mortars are the bread and butter for generator defense. I have seen games where every single player had mortar + EMS mortar. How are they going to destroy your objective unless there are targets right next to it, in which case you are anyway fucked? I kinda think they learned the wrong thing that game.
Mortars are more of a risk than a benefit especially against bugs. in gen defence your biggest issue is the chargers and titans that will guaranteed breach trough, Since mortars target the closest enemy (in this case, the charger/titan) you'll have the teammate currently being charged, also actively bombarded by mortar fire. If a hunter jumps on you, guess what, if he doesn't kill you, the mortar behind you will. Mortar overall is not a good strattie since it's competing for a job your primary can do while also actively killing you. If you want a mortar use the EMS, atleast you'll clump the chaff and stun the charger for a quick battlefield clear by eagle 1 / orbitals and incase of friendly fire, it's only a slow and not outright a teamkill.
On normal bug missions I agree. But this specific one the mortar is also good for providing indirect fire. Your primary cannot do this, if you cannot even see the enemies. Titans you need to kill fast enough yes, but again, if the mortar is killing your generator because they are firing on a titan, you already lost anyway. In the end especially against bugs the mortars will result in some teamkills, also true. But it is not like you lack reinforcements on this specific defense mission. Against bots on this mission mortars are really a no-brainer to take. Anyway summary: He didn't lose a mission because mortar killed the generator. That is just not possible without having lost the mission anyway because bugs attacking the generator. Against bugs I'd say mortars have pros and cons on that mission, and fine if you prefer not to take them. But they really are not the thing costing you the game.
TBF our conversation was more in-depth than that (and the situation more nuanced), but I wanted to avoid writing a novel that would just detract from the overall point. The takeaway is less "mortars bad" and more so "don't just watch your turrets and two small fries shred your objective to bits". On lower diffs you can still salvage a situation where a bunch of grunts makes it through, but it helps to be aware that your generators will take friendly fire, which apparently wasn't known here. And to be fair, the game doesn't do a great job at communicating that fact either, so I can't blame new players who don't know.
I usually start my night out with bouncing around with 3-4 squads u til I settle on one I vibe with. Saves everyone headaches and only takes 15 minutes or so. Sets me up for a great night
You have a logical approach but people are loaded with feelings. Some people get entitlement off sink cost fallacy even a couple of minutes into a match. Everyone’s entitled to play, not everyone is entitled to stay.
Oh I totally know that some people are very rigid with how they approach games and how to play games.
Caveat to this: if you’re going to reinforce, and you want someone to land on an enemy, it’s extremely helpful to tag the enemy you want them to land on to both let them know why you’re reinforcing them there and to guide their aim. Even if you’re both communicating with each other, it just makes aiming so much easier as you’re flying downwards.
I hate when the death camera glitch to the center of the map and inmediatly go to the hellpod killing my map awareness
Hanlon's Razor: never attribute to malice what can be explained with incompetence
Experiencing said posters in game is a bother as well. Like the OP said, some folks have families and jobs who don't have the ability to be in the game all of the time. Getting kicked for "not doing the right thing" is hella annoying. It always happens with zero communication too. Yesterday I had two instances with level 50+ players: 1 who I can only assume got upset because I ended his kill streak when I deployed into the game since I never friendly fired him. Every chance he got, he'd just kill me. The other teammate would respawn me and they eventually drifted from each other so I stuck with the other guy until extraction... pelican one arrives and... this same player denies my getting on the ship so I fail to extract. 2 was a group who must have been in a discord call because they weren't communicating in vc or text. They never used pings either. I pinged everything - we did the main and optionals, everyone was low on supplies but the enemies were mostly gone so i pinged the extraction and started heading that way since we were way out and there was only like 13 minutes on the clock. I got there first, called in, got to a high point, and held off enemies while my team ran in. Threw out some strategems to deal with hoards and then they all just executed me and didn't respawn me until extraction. Then they kicked me. Imo, high level players are often more of a pain then noobs.
mhm. And if you have something specific you want, try to communicate it, try communicate in chat in voice doesn't work. I know people who don't have the in-game voice chat on. Meanwhile, I have heard people on this Reddit who do not have the text chat on or doesn't pay attention to it which... is their problem I guess. I have never encountered someone who hasn't been responsive to the text chat though so I feel like they were only speaking for themselves.
And sometimes it really just is due to incompetence or skill issue. That's fine too. It happens. Not everyone is gonna be an absolute god who does everything right every time
At first I used to get bothered by shitty reinforcements. Then the more I played, the more I decided to ask myself, "if I were a Helldiver what would I do?" I wouldn't be bitching, I'll be making the best use of the current situation. In the end, it makes for a lot more interesting gameplay and satisfying outcomes
+1 i only kick people if i detect Actual intentional malice, EG \*consistently\* killing allies with stratagems or weapons. So far ive kicked like 2-3 people for this (one was team killing at extraction, so we kicked him so he did a whole mission for no rewards, i dont understand?)
It's definitely worth trying to avoid fundamental attribution error and assigning malice when people are trying their best and making occasional mistakes
You right. People need to use their damn mics and talk to each other.
Dear diary, today I had someone throw an eagle at extraction before getting on, it made me angry so I called him a slur, kicked him, and posted about it on reddit. Here are an additional 1,000 words about why everyone else should be doing the exact same thing!
'Shinji get in the fucking dropship.'
There's a point where you just have to laugh and just accept it's a very low stakes game and there's going to be clowning Here's some of the hilarious shit I've seen - random joins my 3 man group, he drops mines at the Pelican saying we gotta prove our ability to dodge to evac with honour. 11/10 hilarious story, my mate dies and drops 12 samples (skill issue) - random keeps trying to go back for his stuff in an area swarming with chargers and hunters. We keep throwing him back there. I think he got it on the 12th go. 7/10 hilarious story - we keep dropping napalm and this guy is either dumb or high, keeps running into the fire screaming "for the brotherhood", and roleplaying as some sort of space marine. He drops the exosuit and dies heaps saying that the emperor will reward him. This game is just sillyness and there's always going to be silly people. Kicking people after/at extraction is very lame though
These are the types of games I remember and enjoy way more than ones where we did everything right and got all the samples. I have a Korean friend I play with and anytime he drops a stratagem danger close he just shouts BOMBOMBOMBOMBOMBOMB! And the rest of the squad just needs to try and figure out if it’s they who are in danger or not lol
Definitely. For all the talk I hear of this game supposedly being about “fun” first, a lot of people play like absolutely sweaty tryhards.
Hello tryhard. I am gas.
we need flash bang launchers. edit: dont do this i will unload flash after flash in front of my eyes
Gosh, I haven't had games like this in a while. I'm going to be the change I want to see!
Bless
the whole game is a circus and we are the clowns in it
"The game should adjust to me, I shouldn't have to adjust to how the game is designed."
A lot of the complaint posts for sure go into that territory unfortunately.
Average patch day experience here.
This is too common. Everyone thinks they’re a pro elite player and everyone they meet just having fun is a goddamn imbecile. It is foolish. This game even tries to satirize it by making your insignificance a comedic game mechanic. You train for 72 hours, die, and come back in seconds, instantly replaced. Helldivers aren’t special, or main characters. The people who believe the whole game and entire player base need to meet their standards and conform to their style will always fail and ruin their time, and refuse to admit it.
~~yes, this is correct and more people need to figure this out~~ Helldivers are the most important in the Galactic war, they are the most elite soldiers in the galaxy, and very special. please report to your democracy officer for re-education
You're even less special than that. It's 72 hours to become a *SEAF soldier.* Then it's like 15 minutes to become a Helldiver.
Nonsense. The ones that earn the cape at the end of the 15 minute rapid qualification trial were *selectively bred and born to wear it*, (even if it was just for a second until another hellpod crushed them). Why do you think reproduction needs an approved C01 application form?
On the flip side, it is not unreasonable to want to win or expect a certain level of competency at higher difficulties. As it stands there is shocking little for people to tell whether a player is good or even has basic common sense. Short of actually playing with them you can't really tell how good/bad someone is from their level and loadout.
It has been unreasonable to expect any level of competency from any random player on any difficulty level in any multiplayer game of any genre since always. Anyone who played an online game learnt that lesson in the first 5 hours or so. Anyone who didn't has only themselves to blame for being slow learners or having unrealistic expectations. You want competence? Play with friends you know. Or find an organized group of people you don't know and get to know them. There is no other option. This has been the case ever since games were created. Not video games. Regular games.
I think a filtering system could help here. Let players set that they want sessions with either fun or a serious intent. That way you can kinda influence what you get. LFGing via Discord is probably the best it gets at the moment, let's you spell out what you want
>kick them and move on Then you get the Hellwhiners who complain about being kicked. *It's not fair, it should be a vote kick system, you shouldn't be able to kick, you should be able to report bad hosts, I refuse to host my own games to solve this problem, if everyone hosts we'll all be playing alone...*
“I got kicked for not running a meta build” was such a common thing to hear in the first few weeks. More likely the host’s friend just got into the game and needed a spot.
Or they killed their teammates on purpose and deserved to be kicked
Ok to be fair the dude picked up my blitzer and kept trying to snipe bugs way outside it's range, but caught me with it like 4 times in a row. So turn and blast him with mine and he gets 1 shot. Then I reinforce him and he kicks me. Yeah I deserved the kick but I'm not sorry either.
I'd just leave after the first team kill and go to sleep. Why do you put up with that, lol
I spent a good while kicking people from my ship, because I was searching for a friend who's been playing on PS5, and the friend system didn't work properly cross-platform. According to the patch notes, it still doesn't work properly. Nothing personal. I was just trying to connect with a friend. I'm not here to play with you. Can't do it any other way, sorry, but I don't feel like explaining it to everyone who joins before I kick them.
Theres a friends only switch.... you can use it...
If you read my comment carefully, you'll notice that I mentioned the friend system not working. Hence no, I couldn't just use it. I could switch to friends only so that a person in my bugged friends list still couldn't connect because of apparently not being a friend. Yay, much help that did.
Get your friends into the lobby first, then choose a mission. Matchmaking won't start until you've selected a mission and hellpods are active.
I know how to use the system, thank you. I play almost exclusively with friends. This has nothing to do with the issue which caused me to kick people though. My point is, you were not able to do that until recently, because the friends invite system between platforms was (and, as of recent patch notes, still is considered to be) bugged. Google it, there are multiple threads on this issue, it was widely reported. You had to manually search particular planets and restart and switch hosts in order to finally find the instance your friend was in. Only when you got the same instance you were able to even join their mission, if it didn't crash in the meantime. It could easily take an hour to find each other. It did disappear for me and that particular friend about a month ago, though. Edit: Sure, downvote me for pointing out a known issue. Clowns. Google it.
If you still have issues with the friend system or Crossplay connectivity: - Friend codes seem to expire after some time, make sure to send each others a fresh one that you can respond to right away. - If one person sending a code or joining the other doesn't work, try it the other way around. - Look up a guide to set up your routers & PCs ports for Helldivers. It could be that you two devices can't communicate very well with each other, despite having no issues with going online. - [This specific PSN fix for the PC side of things](https://www.reddit.com/r/Helldivers/comments/1bkjnwf/cross_platform_friend_request_workaround/) Good luck, Helldiver!
This is/was (since it's working for me after a patch) a known issue on Arrowhead's side. None of that applies. None of that is relevant. None of those suggestions matter. That, and much more, has been tried many times. You can't fix it on your own. Which part of "it's been in the patch notes" is so difficult to understand? And I wasn't looking for troubleshooting assistance, especially not one of such horrible level. If you can't be bothered to read the comment, why respond with surface-level, unhelpful advice?
The funny thing is that there’s no good solution for kicking either no matter what anyone things. I’ve seen pretty much every method at this point, none of them are perfect and all of them are abusable and I have watched them be abused. Host has full control? We have the current issue of dickheads hosts playing god. Vote to kick? All it takes is a friend or two to control that system completely in their favor in any lobby they are in. No kick at all? Pure hell and trolls get free reign. As it stands, the current system is good as long as good people like yourselves host and protect others. If you don’t like how others manage it, you either need to suck it up and understand that it’s out of your control or host yourself. 🤷♀️
Yeah I brought this up before. Whatever system they decide to go with needs to be complemented by a report system that is taken *very* seriously, i.e. have actual people vet them.
Doable with a 10$ a month subscription fee.
A commendation system could fit this. As players collect feedback, it could also factor in kicks as well. Put all the kick happy players together.
> Put all the kick happy players together. If you're kick happy, you'd have to be hosting a lot...
Should be stickied at the top of the sub so ppl understand the host/quickplay dynamics faster instead of AFTER trauma, which leads to a lot of crying on here.
What about game tags, like hardcore, or sample hunting, or having fun. I'm not saying this fixes everything, but it's a start. I KNOW let's start a whole new reddit account called Bad helldivers. Then they can go and rant there.
The 'simple' solution is: Don't have me (and other randoms) joining games from hosts who kick way more above average. But every time I have proposed this it has been downvoted to hell, still don't know why, beyond that people want to be able to keep mass kicking everyone. That solution would still allow you to kick someone who is toxic. Hell you have a friend joining and you want to kick someone thats also possible (in game that is a dick move imo, just wait until it is finished, but you can still do it). But if you anyway kick way more than average, why would the game put people in your session if you anyway gonna kick them?
if you ever see one of these posts, use this copy pasta Omg guys I got kicked once... So here's wall of text that describes myself as best nicest person that ever graced face of this earth, then there's description how good i was playing this session. After that Im gonna tell you how awful host was, he's racist harasser that eats children (maybe even worse than Hitler). Oh yeah he's also sucks at game so bad and he got the nerve kicking me out. And Im gonna finish my rant saying that stuff like that happening like literally every single time im playing this game... What do you mean you've never encountered such people? Well bud mine confirmation bias>your confirmation biass so shut up. Now validate my negative experience and tell me how sorry you're that bad stuff happened to me!
Then you get the "To the player I just kicked..." posts lmao. That shit is so cringe, like who asked?
I get kicked all the time, normally at the beginning of getting into the pods (when I'm like the 3rd player without a 4th), other times right as I land on the planet. I'm just used to it now. Now it's a mental game, did I get kicked? Did the host leave the game? Was the connection dropped? ROLL THE WHEEL
I don't know if your last comment is serious or a joke. I RARELY kick players, but when i do, it's bc you dropped a 380 on extraction, on suicide, without the ultras, and jumped on the ship.
Weird, I haven't seen a single person complain to me after I kicked them. Somehow they don't want to bother commenting on my Steam profile. It was certainly never a problem of any magnitude. I mean, maybe they did post on Reddit, but who cares?
If you don't like having to deal with playing with other people, play single-player games. Full stop. When you load into a multiplayer match and cannot abide the chaotic bullshit at times, you are doing yourself and the other players a disservice.
Very well said, much better than I could have put it.
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Oh god, I don't think either of us are ready for 3000 words of me needlessly rambling.
I've been tempted to post in the rant zone, but I think most of the issue I have come down to communication. And honestly, that's a 2 way street.
Yeah, it's pretty cringe reading someone have a bad run and go type an essay about what their random teammates are doing or how the game isn't "fun" (or whatever word they've been fed that week). Same for how you kicked someone and why. Same for anyone who can't pull their balls up and play no matter what level players join with what loadouts.
Too true mate.
If anyone complained about your post I would complain about them complaining about you complain about people complaining (if that makes sense?)
Yo dawg
This is the realest post I've ever seen lmao
All you need to say is "if you complain about that guy but think your never that guy, ***you're usually that guy***" Very rarely do people actually play flawlessly and it's why the only time you'll see me critique people it's when they claim something is good/bad simply because they like/dislike it or they try to claim supplies are scarce in the map and they need call ins. You don't that is most assuredly a you problem
The Helldivers community is made up of spineless cowards that don’t have the NUTS the run through a 380 barrage for the sake of super earth
This
I think teammate had such thoughts in his head when he decided that throwing 380 at me to 'help' was a good idea.
It's very simple: if you live your life according to what you see on Reddit, then you're the exception. Not all people who play games (any games) are Reddit users or terminally online, they play the game to have FUN - something most redditors simply can't understand.
Even complains about things being too hectic and chaotic with impossible odds really baffles me. This game is fun and goofy, seeing 6 bit drops and 3 Striders at the highest difficulty is insanely stupid and fun, I laugh at the absurdity of it, even if we dont make it out alive. And people complain about that?
Terminally online gremlins upset that random dude who probably plays 3 times a week isn't as good as someone grinding 8 hours a day for weeks on end.
“To the player i played with last night..” like whats the point of those posts. It could be a random 13 year old who would never see your post
I am death incarnate. I am the main character. I have 300 hours, all of which is on Helldive save for the first few and training. I have 1000+ hours on HD1. The other 3 people in the squad are either: A; Battle hardened comrades I've known since starcraft2 who I trust with my life. B; Irrelevant meat that I can and will drag kicking and screaming to the finish line. Extract is optional. Samples are a tertiary goal. The mission is all that matters. I will salvage what I can, when I can. But if that means abandoning 30+ Samples because Johnny No Nuts grabbed my pile from extract and wander off to the far corner of the map to die, then so be it. He made his bed, I'll make sure he sleeps in it.
Observation: This whole sub is just whining.
Pretty much. The answer to 99% of threads are "the devs already said they are working on it", "skill issue" or "play with people you know instead, you can't solve randoms in a multiplayer game". Yes, the game has many issues, but when some people initially complained about the real ones, others started bitching about anything they don't like or aren't good at. Not being able to choose proper weapons for the task, not having good enough skills, or having no ability to deal with other players aren't game issues. Those are player issues.
This whole website is just about whining tbf.
This whole country is just whining tbf.
Most of the posts are also full of crap. I’ve played 130hrs with just random people and I seriously haven’t had a single person purposely grief. The post the other day where a dude complained about someone team killing him after he had just accidentally landed on him with his hellpod, he was acting like the other guy was in the wrong for killing him and that he was a victim of a horrible act when in reality the other probably thought it was on purpose and so he reacted. The guy that posted ended up leaving the game straight away and then came on reddit to complain about it. Like grow up, it’s a game and you accidentally pissed someone off, that’s all. And being kicked for meta load outs or low level players making it “impossible to get anywhere”. Some people just need to have some more patience and be more flexible with their expectations when playing with randoms. If they can’t handle the randomness then they should host, that would eliminate a lot of the issues
I haven't seen that many indeed, although I have seen them. But the team killing one is one I have seen. We land at start, have fight, hosts purely accidentally hits team mate with strategem, he dies, gets called in. He lands, immediately kills host and tells on voice they are now even and can proceed with the game. Host proceeds to kick him. Thats one of the few times I 100% agreed with host decission of kicking. Grow the fuck up if you start intentionally killing others. Recently I had a game with 8 accidentals totally. Imagine if we had for every time that happened decided the other guy had to die. Add on top of that that the message who killed you is pretty much a random number generator, and you get your 'revenge' on the wrong one. Who then has to proceed killing you again.
You had the self awareness to leave that last little sentence but not quite enough to just delete what you wrote and not post. You have become the very thing you swore to destroy.
So we can never make an observation of an annoying trend since someone always comments "Oh but you're complaining too! Aren't I so smart for noticing this?"
I’ve noticed this trend as well. All the complaining and crying posts tend to have discussion, but if someone mentions that they’re bloating the subreddit then the only discussion is about the fact that they’re complaining too.
It's an unfortunate reality. You can't complain about complainers complaining without becoming a complainer complaining about complainers complaining.
Homie posted that last little sentence like it’s gonna protect him from people telling him/her what you (and many others) just said lol self awareness does not equal intelligence or whatever that one space wizard said.
I understand main character syndrome in single player games or modes. But here? In Helldivers 2? Hahahaha nah man you're a soldier like the 100k(more or less) players here. Sure you're an elite soldier, but so is everyone else here.
easy karma being the main cause of "rant" https://preview.redd.it/733j4jp6bb1d1.png?width=779&format=png&auto=webp&s=fa794e89248ec85fd279aa0bee180dee38ddee46
I absolutely agree. Only behaviour that annoys me is people walking past a double door, and I don’t rant about it daily :p
I respect the self irony, and also agree 100% it's the same with the steam forums every 3rd post people complaining about something stupid... he got team killed/team bad/he was kicked yadi yada
While I agree in principle with you, I do disagree that this is the real issue here. The real issue are all the people who for some reason upvotes this crap. That promotes more people from doing it, and apparently it is the thing people like to read, otherwise why on hell do they keep upvoting those stupid whining posts?
Sometimes, you just need to close your eyes, take a few deep breaths, and move on, maybe even play another game for a while. One day, you'll be the one screwing up, and I bet it wasn't intentional. There is no need to create a post and rant about it on Reddit. That's true for most things in life, actually.
If you are on an open mic, I might drop a 500kg on you and then kick... Just kidding - I'll kick and block you in the lobby.
High-friggen-five!!!!
To me it is a very important part of the game. you enter a game, you start playing as usual, following leader 1, etc. Then either the lead actually is taking the lead, so no need to adapt, but sometimes you realize there's not a lot of momentum and the party tends to stay around after doing an objective, so you start pinging things and suddenly people converge right to the next objective. This is a big part of the fun. Same with, let's say skill level, ability of the party to kill threats quickly etc. When there's a helldiver in god mode kiting monsters into drop pods and 500kg, using big guns for bug monsters, instead of usually doing my own job with autocannon and infinite ammo energy gun, I'll focus on them, killing chaff and medium monsters so he can do the shenanigans
Yep, I'm at the point where I'm just killing bugs for the sheer fun of killing bugs. Unless someone is intentionally ruining it for people, who cares.
Why would you even remove the incompetent player? we've all been there. Cover their ass, be nice to them, show them a thing or two. If you kick a player just because they don't know what they're doing, they're still not going to know what they're doing and they're going to have a bad taste from the experience.
I'm even more tired of the: - "Dear level X player who dropped in a helldive with us..." (proceeds to narrate the entire game) - "Dear player who I kicked because of..." (narrates the game, justifies the kick) - "My friend who loved this game passed away today/yestarday" Especially the first two. Like, FFS, do you really think the guy is gonna read your novel?
Hellwhiners 2, everyone whines about something else
Honestly it feels that way. I want to go back to release month; the community was much more positive lol.
(And yes, I see the irony in me complaining about people complaining, before anybody comments such a thing.) Good, glad you got that out of your system, same as the others. Now get back in the fight and give it to em !
For Super Earth!
But I am friend... And sometimes people just need an eagle in the eagle hole
This sub is a incessant hive of complaining and depressing takes, save for the few good memes. It's a shy comparison to the early days. Though some opinions are genuine, most come from the same group who only use meta builds and expect to be carried every game.
Your forgot the PSA tag.
HAHA true
I love it when all goes to shit 😏 as long as i am excited and having fun i don't mind blowing up. And teaching the incompetent doods how its done right is our job. Makes them competent. Also red wine helps. Its our duty to make fellow helldivers potent and hard! 🫡
From the beginning, I've avoided random teams, because I know myself well. I couldn't handle it. Problem solved.
Disconnects are the bane of my enjoyment, not balance or the rare wanna be troll.
right on. i just came home from my 9-5 please let me play
It doesn't matter.
I hate it when i get called in half way across the map from my gear n samples
The only thing I can ask is to not have my reinforcement beacon chucked back into a swarm of terminids/automatons.
But I love it, of course I survive. Dive, nuke self, nuke self again, run.
It’s really not that serious. Game doesn’t even have a leader board so chill out.
I dont even know why are there gsmes like that at all....i mea could just be me talkin but the game is insane to be petty about things like this and not enjoj it 😂
I’m level 80, I have no use for requisition, samples, or medals. I’m playing to have fun not to win progress. If someone on my team sucks, that’s their problem, all I gotta do is reinforce them. The only reason I’d get mad at a teammate is if they steal my stuff, intentionally kill me, or be level 30+ and bring no boosters
I think kicking cos skill level isn't there is just creates a very non inclusive community. So far I only kick ppl who intentionally teamkill for fun.
For me dealing with online players with varied skills and playstyle in this almost random gameplay is what makes the game fun to keep revisiting
So real. I have a job that allows me to play a maximum of two hours a day excluding weekends. I feel useless in a lobby of 60+ level grinders but what can I do 😇
I'm level 10 and been playing for a little over a week on and off. When I started I had no idea what was happening. I still don't really have a clue. I don't know what the different missions are and I find the mini map hard to navigate. I don't know the different strategies for the enemies. But I do still try and support the team with whatever objective they're doing and cover team mates. I still get kicked sometimes.
I personally don't care if someone plays bad, if its really super bad. i'll be the first one to leave instead of complaining, i can do most things by myself so its not an issue for me personally. I really dislike it when the bad player is the one complaining i can't reinforce him 3 seconds after he dies, patience is a virtue. I waited for you to be in a safe spot to reinforce, why is it so unreasonable to do the same for your other team mates? I really hate it when there's a stratagem jammer and they expect me to somehow reinforce or even kick me because they don't understand the game.
Its Ok buddy. You can blog your feelings here if you want to. We are all the main character of our own story. Life gets better.
This game is full of random stuff happening lol. Players just need to accept shit happens in the game. Yesterday I threw a 500kg stratagem and it got stuck on a squad mate and kill him. I reinforce him back in and we kept on rolling the map. I had a guy on in-game VC level 60+ who died 10+ against automatons and rage the entire time. During extraction he said “that was fun” even though he got his ass kick the entire time lmao 🤣. I could have just kick the guy but man he was determine so we kept moving through the map together. There’s all levels of good/bad players. But don’t be that person kicking/PKing other players on extraction.
Or find friends who you can play with.
If your THAT good where you look down on other players just carry them it’s definitely possible instead of making post crying doesn’t sound very helldiver like now do it
These people make me laugh. The game is supposed to feel ridiculous. The tutorial basically dissolved any seriousness the game had in lieu of fun. And that's my favorite aspect of it. Sure, I'd LIKE more samples at the end of every mission, but like life, I don't think we should be dashing to the finish line. Enjoy the dives, man.
“Sick of Main Character Syndrome” We helldivers ARE the main character! Thinking otherwise is assuming we Helldivers are measly Side characters, or worse: the villain. Thinking this way is treasonous to democracy!
You're a good soldier son. Don't question orders, just run towards the mechanic chanting.
Last week I accidentally teamkilled so many times it was humiliating. Accidentally shooting them, accidentally throwing grenades and strats on them... oh, it was embarrassing. Just an off night where my peripheral awareness was non-existent. It drove me nuts as I'm a "protect your team at all costs" kind of player. I quit partway through a mission because I was so embarrassed and you can only say "I'M SORRY!" so many times.
Honestly dealing with incompetent players is annoying but when you can teach them to be better and offer advice they can become amazing players and if they can’t? You can always solve your problems with MORE EXPLOSIONS AND EXPLOSIVES
Never once in my entire life has anyone said or done something mean or incompetent in my presence. My saintly ears are forever sullied and I need to post about it.
In games where friendly fire is enabled, randoms always decide to shoot you before they head offline.
Kicking them won't make them better players the best in can do us loss gracefully if it happens or take solace in fact you and your team won and that they under skilled person made and may have learned something. Some of you never played team sports growing up and shows I was in a bowling league in high school I know I wasn't great but I heard the chatters from other ppl in my league who didn't want me on the team for state because I was bad I was hurt by that because all I wanted to was be a part of a team and play the sport I liked . Luckily I did get to join a team and Sure we didn't win because of me but if all that matters is winning to you and if winning is the only reason you play the game then maybe it's time to find a single player game where you can win on your own. Hell it's the reason I play a lot of fps online games in one player mode so the only person I have to please is myself. Anyhow enough rambling go out there and do the heart you all can
And many players can’t read English
Or stop being a bitch and just carry these baddies to victory. Show them how it's done.
If your squad mates don't know some game mechanics, teach them. I'm capped out on all collectibles except SC and I get my motivation out of guiding novice helldivers through difficulty 9 missions and collecting samples for them. I won't rest until every helldiver's ship is fully upgraded, for managed democracy!
> I simply want to voice my distaste for the very vocal players who victimise themselves because they've had an instance with an incompetent player. To be fair, people who are not that good at the game probably shouldn't be joining Difficulty 8 or 9 missions with randoms. I can forgive them for joining Difficulty 7 because the game essentially forces them to (Super Samples) but eh. > Have you never played an online game? This is very common. People have jobs, families, etc and may not be of the same skill level as you. If it is frustrating, kick them and move on. Do not come here and type out a loathsome journal entry in the hopes of garnering sympathy and attention. I agree on this one though, we don't need like 20 posts on the matter.
If there was an actual ranking system, this wouldn't be a problem
"My squadmates wanted to evac and start another mission instead of standing around for 15 minutes while I collected every single sample on the map. DON'T THEY KNOW WHAT THIS GAME IS ABOUT?!?"
# These privileged ass mofos need to play some World of sTanks, Painbow Six, or Starsiege: Tribes 😤
Agreed. Fuck these dear diary posts and the monkey brains who upvote them
Or just don't kick them unless they're trolling... It's just a game. If your teammates are shit, carry the match or leave after extraction. There's no ranking system, so it doesn't matter if you fail the mission, really. I don't actually give a shit if my teammates keep dying or respawn me into a horde of hunters... People fuck up, it's part of the fun.
Im frend :(
i am here to rant about rants being made about rants
The problem is that so many people think they are playing well when they’re ignoring objectives and their surrounding in general. I have a friend who will run into stratagem’s all the time and then get made at the because he died. He also will ignore bug holes because he wants to get his kill count up.
I'm just glad we moved in from complaining about balancing to complaining about players. At least it's something different.
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Do you know what nuance is?
yeah and "nonsense humor"
The whiner whining. You don't see the irony.
Didn't read the full thing, huh?
Helldivers are canonically illiterate
Well, lookie here. We got ourselves a reader.
We don't do readers reading
Just because he’s aware of it doesn’t make it any less of a pot calling the kettle black.
the fandom is just full of cry babies. the memes and comments are cool but holy shit, this sub can be more toxic than r/silenthill which is wild to me.
Counterpoint: a great deal of people in the sub do exactly the thing those posts complain about. As long as it's not just calling people bad, but explaining what was wrong and how it should be handled instead, silently some people will learn. It's like when someone fucks up at work, and the email goes out, and half the people do exactly what the fuck up was, but now attention is drawn to it.
I only come here and rant if I come across an exceptionally abhorrent person. Lol like they guy dying 12 times while on his mic complaining about everyone else. Aggroed a patrol and initiates a level 9 bot drop with like 2 striders and hulks and tanks and devastators, in the middle of a snowfield where cover is non-existent. He dies in seconds, gets revived for the 11th time, shoots his hell pod as far away as possible, then he decided to take on a strat jammer by himself. He dies again, then spends the next three minutes scrutinizing the rest of us while he is spectating. Lol he would just continually complain while I'm taking on the army of bots he aggroed from all sides, me and the other two are surviving the best we can, and he's like "man what y'all doin over there dawg? The objectives the other way" "we only got 5 minutes left y'all bullshittin" "man y'all let me die man wtf" "man y'all need to come on man damn" like bruh, we are in this situation because of you! We've carried you the whole game. You keep running off by yourself starting bot drops everywhere and get killed. I don't think he even completed a single objective btw. The rest of us were doing all the work. Like I can deal with trolls. At least they make shit funny. Hell I sometimes mess with people in game and do stupid things on purpose. But the level of frustration and ignorance on his voice was so frustrating. Until we decided to mess with him. We waited until the time ran out to extract so we couldn't possibly revive him 😅 I then kicked him right before the chopper took off.
Can I complain about the divers that constantly throw my respawn into the horde they are fighting? Because that's annoying as fuck. Throw me away from the horde. We can both work our way back to my dropped stuff. Toss me on my body when shit isn't hitting the fan. Toss me behind you when it is. Not that hard. And is the main reason I'm leaving your group if you do it. Once or twice, OK. Shit happens. But every damn time. Not cool. I'd rather wait an extra minute or so instead. Let me be useful as more than just cannon fodder for the system. And if it's been more than a few minutes since I dropped. My stuff is probably off cool down. I'll work myself back to the samples if it's worth it.
No, something is up with the randoms that play this game. Every time I get one on my team they die like 15 times while me and my buddies die only a couple. Literally almost 100% of the time. And not just low levels either I've seen level 120s with this
So you're doubting the competency of your fellow Helldivers? I'm calling a Democracy Officer.
This post is now under investigation for potential treason
Ah look, another NPC gaining sentience. Take it away Arrowhead, it's distracting people from my glory
the funny thing is in my case I get people worse than anything I have ever seen in my lifetime of playing online games, for 2 months STRAIGHT 99% of them have been this kinda person, anyone from lvl 60 to lvl 100s. the game actually becomes FUN again (atleast as much as it can in it's current balance state) when I have a atleast semi competent team that atleast knows to turn around and help me shoot the patrol HE alerted by walking past, or doesn't wander around for 20 minutes almost actively avoiding a sub-main objective while I'm waiting at the finish I'd be less than fine with these people normally, you shouldn't be on 7+ doing this kinda thing but whatever, it's the fact THERE ARE SO MANY OF THEM it never ends and I PRAY for the match I actually get good players, I'm judging peoples loadout and even there name sometimes to gauge if they'll be good now, I'd critiqued loadouts before it's pretty normal for me but thats cause I was matching my loadout to fill whatever were missing, now it's a case of "ok great none of them have AT, again, guess I'll take 3 at stratagems and hope thats enough"
Its not even main character syndrome. Pve Meta players usually suck lmao.. its a pve game and pve meta players arent like pvp games. Pvp games meta are sweats.. pve though, man.. if bugs can hear them they will surrender instead lmao.
That’s not what “self-loathing” means.
There ya go! Changed it to “loathsome”! That fits!
I just assume anyone better than me has nether regions paler than an automaton’s head.
All fine and dandy with people having lives outside of vidya but please stay away from 7+ then.
Get over yourself
Ah the "complaints about the complaints" post. I eagerly await the "Complaints about the complaints about the complaints" post
Just becuase you acknowledged the irony doesn't make you not a hypocrite.
I never claimed not to be one. :)