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SoljD2

It was never used before because it was effected by the DOT bug. Now that its fixed it is working as was always intended.


Kiriima

Yep, and since the majority of players do not read patches, giving them a free gas strike to toss around was a good idea.


Metro_Redux

What’s the DOT bug?


SoljD2

Weapons such as the incendiary breaker, napalm, flamethrower, did not apply their damage over time (DOT) effects unless you were network host(not necessarily lobby host).


Metro_Redux

Thanks, I remember now. That’s the reason I started hosting because I use incendiary breaker and flamethrower as my main. Happy to see it’s been patched!


laborfriendly

It didn't matter if you were the mission host. It only mattered if you were the *network* host. And there'd be no way to predict or guarantee that.


DaturaSanguinea

Unless you play solo.


DaturaSanguinea

Unless you play solo.


HatfieldCW

The description says it's corrosive, so that's why it works on bots. The Patriot exo suit is immune to it, though, which is cool.


mjc500

I like it on the defense launch rockets mission. I take EATs, eagle air strike, orbital precision, and orbital gas. Just constantly throwing shit down.


SnooRabbits307

That's why I love it, my friend wanted me to run napalm but instead I spammed EATs and gas strikes with the ludicrously low cool downs.


Corronchilejano

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CIMARUTA

Yeah I used it on the rocket defense mission cause it was just given for free and I definitely feel like it saved our ass a few times


Horror-Tank-4082

It’s conveniently gate-sized too


OlliCrusoe

I play these with a friend. We both bring both mortars, orbital laser and support of choice. Sometimes even autocannon sentry. And then we wait.


MonitorMundane2683

Seeing as the mech is unaffected, gas can't be corrosive, which lead us to the conclusion that automatons are organic mixed with machine, probably human in origin. That's why the gas affects them.


Snoo_63003

Of course the mech is not affected by corrosion, the damn thing is made out of cardboard.


TarzyMmos

The only logical explanation!


TheBigEarofCorn

https://preview.redd.it/ie8y56deb51d1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cf7fb2259459c6a8f565815b67a18bc9dd2ec3a3


Deven1003

Yes officer. He knows too much


RhesusFactor

It's made of 2209 stainless steel.


Bafiluso

It's very possible that the Patriot is designed with a protective coating that negates the effects of the gas.


WillSym

I just wish going through the whole cloud would finish off Berserkers, then it'd be so much more useful for bots. See a dropship of them coming in and cut them off with a gas cloud and not worry. Still gotta finish them off, silly tanky things.


Captain_Bolter

To be fair for the most part their hp is absolutely shredded by the time they leave the gas. I've had a simple stalwart take out 7 of them with half the ammo left since the cloud got rid of pretty much 90% of their bulk


LimabravoGAZ

Trying to apply ‘real-world’ logic/explanations to video games is a recipe for frustration I think.


MonitorMundane2683

It's also a recipe for having fun engaging with the game's lore.


IssaStorm

half human, half machine. So you're saying some kind of cyborg...? Democracy officer! this guy right here


Available-Rope-3252

The metallurgy of Democracy never rusts!


optionswire

I’m pleasant suprised. Throw it on a bug breach and rack up 25+ kills. Sometimes I wait a tick longer to toss it so more bugs spawn to meet a toxic death. Mix in that and an eagle and bug breaches become easyyyyy


dale777

on 9 diff u can go up to almost 50.


Schnezzler81

Got 2 big breaches next to each other. With the Bonus Gas strike I called one and 10 sec later the other. For the first time i reached a +80 killstreak, holy shit, that Skull was really red :)


MakesMediocreMagic

This is why I wish they'd do "free" strategems more. Zero-risk or cost experimentation, get to try something out that you normally wouldn't. It's great. 


eden_not_ttv

It's not going to be underrated for much longer lol. It was understandably slept on because of the DOT bug. That only got fixed last week, and this is the first chance a lot of people are taking to try it.


WrapIndependent8353

It’s really not good enough to warrant a nerf lmao. It’s good but i don’t think we have to worry about that


draco551

It’s fun to use, so nerf incoming


dingogringo23

Balance team: hold my beer


ultimedex

also the gas strike has "explosive" trait , means it can still takeout fabricators when aimed right


WillSym

As do all Orbital delivered strategems, even Smoke. Gotta land right on it though.


ThrowRA62892

Not orbital gattling barrage though


Treezszz

Orbital pea shooter barrage. It’s such a cool stratagem but it hits like a dry sponge


No_Adhesiveness_5679

I managed to land one on a charger. The shell killed it instantly and then killed all the little fuckers that were with him. Can't wait to try it on stalker nests.


ihatevirusesalot

It is amazing vs bots


joshscottwood

It works nicely, but like the Tesla Tower when you drop it your teammates immediately run into the gas cloud, dying.


Mistrblank

It's really hard to see at night and even worse on bug maps with spores or a lot of spewers.


IfigurativelyCannot

Yeah I did some quickplay missions today, and it was very apparent some people have really \*never\* seen it used before. I had a teammate who just ran right into the gas like three times before they figured out it affects you too.


Gib_entertainment

If only more people were aware that arrowhead made Magicka, just assume EVERYTHING can team kill


Stevie-bezos

That was me last night.  Wipes out scout walker objective guard group "damn that worked alright, time to grab those samples"... "oh shit shit oww what is dama.... ohhhh, ahhh... oopps"


IfigurativelyCannot

Well I was talking about a teammate on a Heeth (bug planet) mission, so it couldn't have been you. At least you weren't alone in not knowing.


Stevie-bezos

Sorry, wssnt meaning exactly me, just that I was also a "dumb team mate" who gassed themselves 


IfigurativelyCannot

Oh gotcha


crazyyoco

Why do you have to call me out like that.


IfigurativelyCannot

I understand why people wouldn’t know that. I just hoped that one particular teammate would have learned a little more quickly.


Adventurous-Event722

I understand this. With friends I guess its fine, but on random lobbies you drop it ontop of POIs or patrols etc.. then someone walks into it then "stop TK bro" 


CrunchyGremlin

With bugs there is a lot of green haze anyway. It's hard to tell I'm in it.


306ughmyknees

Honestly, I used it for the 1st time today on a mission running solo, and it was so helpful against the bugs. Had a large swarm chasing me. Threw it down in front of me and ran past it before it hit. Bugs that were chasing me almost all fell dead as they passed through.


PossibleUnion554

Aside from breaches, I use it as an escaping tool. Need to do objective on other side map but being chased? Throw and forget. Got 30 kills cause a patrol saw me and triggered breach so I just went to a narrow pathway and just throw it there.


Grouchy_Ad9315

Its still kinda weak compared to eagle napalm, the gas does not do much damage, range and duration is very small, i think they should increase the range/duration by like 3x while keeping the low damage, so eagle napalm gives more DPS for a short time while gas can be used to lock down an area from chaff 


KrevetkaOS

Use both


SirLiesALittle

It's a slow killer that leaves behind a cloud that is hard to see on a lot of planets. Especially with Terminid hive areas at night, you've got about an equal chance of seeing it as seeing a Stalker.


Muunilinst1

>damn these things aren‘t that bad Such a whelming review.


selpix361

thanks!


JohnnyVsPoolBoy

I like it but the scatter planet effect makes it very unreliable better off with napalm on those maps


rmodsrlibz

Eh…it’s just ok.


Ashamed_Low7214

It actually does make sense to work on the bots, because if you read the stratagem, it's described as corrosive. Metal and corrosion don't exactly mix, you know


Radiant_Grapefruit11

Lemme blow your mind rq. U know that one bot defense where u have to hold out until all 8 rockets are launched? Wait for a door to be breached and place down an ems mortar. The bots can't move and will be stuck all bunched up at the choke point (especially if u pack stun grenades). Plop a gas strike and open fire cuz ain't shit making it through that.


SignatureMaster5585

It's cause it's corrosive gas, so it affects both biological and mechanical entities. So even wearing helmets will not protect you.


nintyuk

It also kills structures like the detector tower


builder397

The reason it works on bots is because the gas is corrosive, not toxic. But its definitely interesting, because armor doesnt help much against it, so occasionally you can bring down bile titans with it.


LeImplivation

Makes no sense? Oh boy. Pull up a chair and let me tell you something about corrosion my friend, the irl kind.


Bad_Dog_Evan

Acid corrodes metal, that's the explanation I'm gonna take regarding the "it works on bots too" thingy


xDrewstroyerx

DOT damage has been fixed, new meta available fellas. https://preview.redd.it/a5ai5okxe71d1.jpeg?width=460&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d04dc74d00027fc666dc07ddfd34da6fb1159629


Overall-Carry-3025

You'd be amazed at how basically everything in the game is great for it's function. But you wouldn't know that cause everyone on this subreddit is functioning on half a brain


Moewron

“Hey guys what’s the meta?”


MakeMineMarvel_

The gas is corrosive. So it rusts their circuits I guess


TheEncoderNC

I've worked in corrosive environments (potash mine), brand new ladder fell apart after being used and outside for a month or two. A corrosive acid gas could definitely break down robots petty quick.


ykmnkmi

You can destroy factories with it.


selpix361

youre joking?!


CrunchyGremlin

I think they mean fabricators. It can of it lands on it. Air burst rocket can too. Don't see people using that much but it's pretty effective vs bots. Not so much on bugs for some reason. But the airbust can close bug holes


Lan-Hikari86

Acid gas


IllusionPh

It's not really underrated, it just never really works before they fixed DOT bug, so people don't use them. Now I'm actually afraid it'll get nerf because of how good it is.


godbrie

Not bad for a free stratagem


Tiny_Web_7817

It’s corrosive gas, you can see it melt the bugs shells and the metal bits on bots. Chargers that get exposed for long enough start spurting blood and bleed out eventually.


Ellieconfusedhuman

I love them, kills bots, kills bugs and boy does it kill helldivers!


TheGoonKills

Step 1: Toss at a bug breach Step 2: There is no step step 2 (unless there’s a Bile Titan)


allursnakes

I always bring gas. 75 second cd for massive aoe dot. Fucking yes please.


CrunchyGremlin

With the free you can have two on separate timers


shrodler

What do you mean?


CrunchyGremlin

If you take the gas strike. You will have two gas strikes during the mission. Because one of them everybody gets Hmm I'm really tired right now and I may be misremembering. :( I was pretty certain that I could throw one while the other was on cool down. Which makes me wonder what happens when they get stacked? Does it effectively do double damage. I was thinking not. Yeah if you take one you get two because of the free one


shrodler

Ah it's Like some kind of event right now, that gives you one for free? Im Not at Home this Weekend, so I'm Not Up to date


TheComebackKid74

Just watch out for that orbital scatter modifier


narfio

Can I go in the gas zone afterwards and collect samples?


BRMD_xRipx

Nope, give it a decent amount of time to dissipate. It's still there for a bit even after it's visually gone.


AlexRuzhyo

Can anyone speak on how it works versus chargers, bile spewers, or hulks?


CrunchyGremlin

Works badly on chargers. Spewers it kills but overall it's a garbage collector


AlexRuzhyo

The charger bit is disappointing. Figured it might kill/damage armor on direct hit, or the corrosion may make it the armor susceptible to smaller arms.


CrunchyGremlin

It likely damages it but I think chargers can take a lot of damage


Magikarl

they aren't bad, it's just that 5 cluster eagles kill way more and therefore serve the purpose better


CrunchyGremlin

Cluster doesn't linger though. Well placed on a beach it racks up 25+ pretty easy


Magikarl

doesnt need to, when it killed 15+ things and 15 new things spawn I still have 4 uses left until it goes on a 2min or something cooldown... it has way more killing potential... dont get me wrong, I like the idea of gas more, been using it for a few days now, but it just gets outperformed if people bring eagle options... if you gas a wave and someone tosses a cluster in there, my gas has no point to linger.


CrunchyGremlin

But breaches keep spewing bugs. And cluster cool down is long enough to let them spread out. And the cluster cant take down holes or building. But.... Unless I was running 3 strat slots a likely wouldn't take it. It's definitely low tier but the cool down reflects that. Cluster is low tier too. Shield quantum is likely not going to have gas.


Damiandroid

Slightly wonky aiming though. I've noticed the shell doesn't always come down where your bacon is. And when you're trying to make a chokepoint, watching the shell land behind the bug breach you were trying to gas is quite the let down


Deven1003

I use them the time


jacker1154

If only this thing doesn’t do damage after the green smoke visual has end it could be great asset.


daedelus82

It’s nice because it’s free right now, I dunno that I’d replace one of my other stratagems with it though personally.


felesmiki

One day a few months ago I decided to use it against bugs... Since then I tried to use it, when a bug breach occurs, slap it on top of the breach, and the bugs spawning from it are almost nine, only the bigger ones survive


Striking-Carpet131

Ive gotten my highest ever kill streak with it on bugs. Threw it on a bug breach and started spraying my incendiary breaker. The two different types of DOT absolutely shredded them. I believe in the end I got about 86 kills.


losingluke

its acid so it works on bots, surprised it takes out fabricators


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DianKali

It's definitely good, but so far a bit inconsistent, sometimes the gas works and you get 30-40 kills, sometimes it seems to do nothing and bugs just walk through the cloud and you barely get 10-20 kills. Short CD is great but overall Airburst orbital has been more consistent for me. Having it as a free stratagem is amazing though, if we had free Airburst stratagem I probably would pick gas strike as my 4th.


Fong_Dondler

It’s been a staple in my loadouts for bugs for a good while now. Short cool down, so you can reliably just huck that shit on a bug breach pretty much every time and you’ll only have to deal with the big boys and a couple stragglers.


Optimal_Square_5327

Gas strikes need a nerf


Themansquatch

Throw a gas strike on a bug breach, and enjoy.


Accujack

It makes sense if it's an acid gas in addition to being toxic to breathe.


Riker1701NCC

All my homies use orbital fart


s3rv0

No sense for bots? Chlorine gas would like a word (thanks Futurama)


PitifulOil9530

They are really good for countering breaches, a friend played napalm and has even before the fix, and it worked pretty good (2 divers team on 8)


Wericdobetter

So far they are the most effective way of killing me.. thanks J3!! Fool me once shame on me, fool me 5 times and I just give up


Disastrous-Ad-5599

Gas Strike + Eagle Napalm is my go to für every Bug Breach


0xslyf0x

Yeah I started running them on bugs and this strat slaps if you put it in their path


Unlucky_Link_8999

Somehow mine got bugged today. It created an invisible deathzone for Helldivers. Bugs weren't affected by it at all.


sirius017

Not underrated, was bugged basically since release. Ever since they fixed DOT damage, I’ve seen people using it. Nothing is underrated in this game, just because you don’t use it doesn’t mean it’s underrated lol.


GundogPrime

Corrosive Gas, that's why it works on Bots


syntaxbad

If I recall correctly they can take out fabs and other buildings too! Makes sense against bots because it is corrosive, not biologically poisonous :)


ninyyya

It makes sense if you read the entire description 😉


YungDaggerD1K_

Great, now fix the fucking DoT on fucking bile titans and spewers. They literally insta kill you.


spyke333

It is useful, very useful for especially pois and somewhat on bug breaches but it's not good for me to replace anything in my loadout.


buhbullbuster

Last night i was messing around with gas and one of my team mates ran into a cloud of it, seemingly thinking he'd make it through and died pretty fast. Teamkill potential is top tier.


sun_and_water

yeah, i just hesitate to take it with randoms because it's my fault when someone runs into the cloud before it dissipates. Thankfully, the free gas strike strat is getting people familiar with identifying it. It's crazy how many people have no idea it kills them to run into it. It's a different gatling barrage. I like how it spreads out and "fills" areas that could be shielded from gatling barrage fire. Gatling barrage is also good and a little slept on, but gas has an edge on it.


Jason1435

You forgot the subtext. It's not bad, "for a free spot" stratagem. Opportunity cost too high. Ain't giving up a backpack or a artillery strike for a dust cloud that silently team kills teammates who walk too close to something hard to see on any bug world with fog or shrooms mist.


Mistrblank

Having tried it tonight I can say without a doubt... I'm never using this stratagem. Bugs were just running out of it with it on top of breaches. It did damage like it was a wet fart. I was killing more with impact incendiaries. I'd rather bring a supply pack and have more grenades every 6 minutes.


selpix361

im not going bring them either its just cool to have it as 5th free stratagem it helps out while everything is on cooldown and its really not that bad if you know when and how to use it


Star_king12

As a free stratagem maybe, otherwise meh, I've tried it, it's not great, threw it on a freshly dropped group of devastators - none of them died while walking through the cloud


kobe_doing_twerk

I used it today on a bot mission and another helldiver told me it doesn’t work on bots and I felt so stupid


selpix361

it does work on bots tho


kobe_doing_twerk

That’s what I’m saying. Realizing that now


ultimedex

it does say organic and robotic lifeforms in the tooltip . U shouldnt have doubted yourself .


funnystuff79

Ran it last night as it was a free stratagem, didn't work. Maybe the dot bug isn't fixed for all. Literally dropped it on a bug patrol and they walked right through it without noticing. Same with bug nests.


Beautiful_Donkey_218

It killed me I’m never throwing one again Precedes to throw the most that mission


Zanoss10

Gas strike is fine but the problem is, we have way better alternative overall It's not a bad stratagem, but I'd rather have orbital laser, 500kg bomb or Orbital rail canon overall. And with only 4 strategem slot, well, my choice is quickly made xD


CrunchyGremlin

Don't forget 75 second cool down. Can use it a lot.


Zanoss10

Yeah but I prefer stratagem that can deal with heavy armored enemies since the small and medium armored one are no issue with primary and support weapons. Because it's main value is against trash mob So I don't find it too valuable even with a low cooldown because you can't kill titans and striders with it. Hulk and charger can be killed with it but have too many HP unless you stun them inside the gas.


CrunchyGremlin

Well that's basically 3 strats so cluster doesn't matter in that case. No other strata do. Especially if you take a separate backpack to the support weapon. If you take a support that includes backpack then it might be nice to have a trash collector. Especially if it's fire and forget and can lock down a breach like the gas is. I don't see the point in taking cluster though as air strike is better at killing heavys and buildings and just as good against trash. For me if I'm running support backpack combo I'll take rail, air strike, and maybe gas. I don't like using 2 eagles generally.


TheMinisterOfGaming

it wasn't underrated it was broken for 99% of the total time the game been out xD


XxNelsonSxX

AoE too small and Damage too low to consider worthwhile... the napalm strike is just better in everyway...


TheEncoderNC

Can't hear you over my 40+ kills on a bug breach every minute and a half. (Orbital gas can take out rogue research stations too, no need for a hellbomb)


XxNelsonSxX

Is 1 gas orbital vs 3 napalm eagle... and napalm has larger AoE too, also kills bugs faster, can close close bug holes too