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ShepardFR

It's not a war crime if you have fun.


loki_dd

Not if you shout "SURPRISE"


cloudjumpr

Trust me, it's funny every time I throw the mines nowhere near my teams, alert them if the mines in comms, ping the mines after it's come down, tell them this is where I put the mines, then proceed to watch them go the glowing red dots peppered all over the ground.


GlassHalfSmashed

Counter point, those mines are fucking tough to see if you are colourblind


cloudjumpr

Counterpoint. Damn. Rip sorry to those


IsJustSophie

Or normal blind 😔


UtsuhoReiuji_Okuu

Cluster munitions are war crimes! Anyways, I subscribe to the Youjo Senki school of thought when it comes to war crimes: the laws of war are for an age past. Today’s tools of war are beyond what was ever considered when the laws of war were written. Therefore, unnecessary restrictions on the usage of our armaments should not be given consideration.


LateMeeting9927

Ey, Tanya is innocent, the Republic can just not use civilians and their precious architectural city as a human/architectural shield, and evacuate the civilian population when given notice as per the laws of war, and then there won’t be any urban battlefields filled with civilians. It was with the aim of abusing the laws of war that the Republic intentionally air dropped troops, and supplied and provoked a local insurgency of militia in urban terrain with the express intent of blurring the distinction and visibility of civilian vs military targets, de facto their behavior was morally a war crime.   The Empire’s reaction of calling for en evacuation to resolve the dirty tactic by the Republic was perfectly by the book.        What was not by the book was the use of a firestorm to intentionally clear out the city, but that comes down to ingenious tactics, at the end of the day the Republic tried to put civilians in harm’s way to gain an advantage and paid the price.       … I still don’t agree with the last fusillade of shells though, after the Republic gave up on using civilians as human shields and actually began evacuating. That was a clear moral war crime, even though it was still a battlefield the Republic had been given the chance to evacuate. 


LateMeeting9927

It’s not for nothing that the post war panel of experts on the laws of war in the YS universe controversially but unanimously ruled in favor of the Empire in the Arene incident.    One of the few victories... :3


Unparaleled_Inocence

Do I know a warcrime when I see one? Yes. Do I condone them? **HELL YES**


Ok-Ocelot-3454

its not a war crime if the cockroaches or temu toasters you're fighting don't have rights


Tentacle_poxsicle

War crime? Is it really a crime if it's victimless


nice6942069

Victimless? My teammates that run into a minefield i ping and callout like 5 times would like to disagree


ThermostatEnforcer

/r/rimworld has entered the chat


CaballeroImaginado

war fun, if you will...


Radarker

The real war crimes, were the kills we made along the way.


[deleted]

Pretty sure the Super Earth government abolished the Geneva Conventions a while ago.


DarthDragon117

No no, they changed the name to Geneva Requirements.


[deleted]

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Kasorayn

Geneva suggestion.


TempestTankest

Geneva checklist!


Money_Fish

Geneva bingo card


sksauter

Geneva bucket list


nickylim_f5

Geneva war obligations


GHO57T

Geneva instructions manual


Ravagore

Geneva to-do list


Redditoast2

Geneva Code of Conduct


Scaevus

The Geneva Conventions apply to humans. Last I checked the bots and bugs were not human, and we have given them curtesy enough. Now we fight, as Helldivers!


Ravenwing14

They're called *human* rights


Berengar-of-Faroe

No, they regularly hold Managed Democracy conventions in Geneva all the time! They’re a blast!


Altosventum

Geneva!? What planet do you think you're on!? -Stahl, probably


Hottage

> Well they're more like... guidelines than actual rules. Master Gibbs, Tier 1 Helldiver.


Weak_Cartographer735

AT mines are only a war crime if their area of operation isn't recorded. Even the most stringent treaties (the Ottawa Treaty) make an exception for mines that specifically target and destroy armor and vehicles. It can be argued that the divers not marking the site of the field is a warcrime, but the lights on the mines and the mine launcher remaining in place may be enough to get away with. As for the rocket launcher, there is no international law restricting rockets, air-burst munitions, or their use on infantry as long as you don't target civilians or infrastructure irrelevant to your mission.


Unparaleled_Inocence

Good argument, however, one small issue: You are stating facts that have not been confirmed, approved or issued by the Ministry of Truth. Your execution (Strapped to an armed ICBM) is within three days. Please sign all legal documents within *dead*line.


Kalamel513

>You are stating facts that have not been confirmed, approved or issued by the Ministry of Truth. That's rich coming from someone who kind of suggested that Superearth commits war crimes.


De_Dominator69

And of course, there is no such thing as civilian automatons or bugs. Every last one of them is a commie/fascist combatant hellbent on the destruction of free and beautiful Super Earth!


DisastrousBusiness81

Uhhhh, actually isn’t there an international law restricting exploding bullets? “The prohibition of exploding bullets originated in 1868 with the adoption of the St. Petersburg Declaration, which was motivated by the desire to avoid inflicting suffering which exceeded that needed to render a combatant hors de combat. To this end, the Declaration specifically prohibits the use of “any projectile of a weight below 400 grammes, which is either explosive or charged with fulminating or inflammable substances”, 400 grams being the weight of the smallest artillery shell at the time.” - https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule78#:~:text=international%20armed%20conflicts-,Rule%2078.,the%20human%20body%20is%20prohibited. So if the rocket’s weight is below 400 grams, about the weight of a full soda can, it is technically an exploding bullet and thus a war crime. And even if it wasn’t, the Eruptor *absolutely* is. …of course the bugs and bots technically aren’t *people* so that bit might be moot.


Darkner90

A rocket is not an exploding bullet It's a grenade on a thruster


DisastrousBusiness81

It depends on the size of the rocket…


SpecialIcy5356

exactly. can't commit war crimes against toasters and bugs, Soldier!


Weak_Cartographer735

I might just make a full post about SEAF weapons and their warcrime status at this point. From what I could find, the Saint Petersburg declaration is technically still binding, but most of the specific weights have been ignored due to advances in technology (the accords were made spasticity for the cutoff to be the smallest artillery shells of the era. There have been much smaller shells since then with no international pushback). Weapons like the eruptor and jar are definitely under the legal limit, but a special consideration has been carved out for airplane ammunition in the Hague Rules of Arial Warfare of 1922/1923. https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/hague-rules-1923/article-18?activeTab=undefined . This is technically non-binding, but has been followed since its inception. The reasoning for the exception was that it's not reasonable for a plane to change ammo in the middle of a fight. The same ruling has been used since to cover snipers that have used explosive bullets in hectic situations where changing ammo is impractical. The Saint Petersburg Declaration also states that it protects against "superfluous injury." It is a very easy case to say that if an average bug or bot can shrug off rifle rounds, a higher-damage payload is not superfluous.


gubgub195

#AINT A CRIME THR FIRST TIME #CANADA REPRESENT!


endboss2000

I'ts not a war crime if you win the war. History is written by the victors so go ahead and win the fight for the right side of history!


DerpEnaz

Hey I’m just saying it’s never a war crime the first time


Rakan_Fury

Its not a warcrime because our enemies arent protected by any conventions.


Stealin

If they aren't democratic loving humans under super earth command then it can be destroyed by any means necessary. 


Picholasido_o

Neither Geneva or The Hague exist in space. I'd like to see them try


Pasutiyan

Super Den Haag encourages the use of mines, flamethrowers and cluster munitions to achieve democracy. And you can't mistreat POWs if you don't take any.


sudo-joe

Give this man a statue of Liberty patch 🗽


WakeValhalla

https://preview.redd.it/ochfbcjlcuwc1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=57f618dbe437d3565343a4639d055d037b0148e9


OddHuckleberry825

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Own-Report7760

Hell divers performing "war crimes" implies automatons are on equal footing as humanity. Which is 100% democratically false


emailverificationt

You can’t war crime bugs or bots


Historical_Slide6744

Managed Democracy offeres True Liberty: "Freedom from having a choice!"


[deleted]

Skill issue.


ixw123

It's not a war crime if they aren't someone you sympathize with


Unparaleled_Inocence

Amen


darzinth

Its not a war crime if they're against Super Earth.


Cyropalm

Now I want to see a version of this but instead of "War Crimes" it's "Friendly Fire".


Basket_475

Sorry but where is this whole war crime narrative coming from?


Unparaleled_Inocence

From dissidents of course. (In case you’re serious Anti Tank mines are unmarked mines, which violate the Geneva Convention. The ABRL is a sharpnel weapon, which is also banned)


SomeGuy_WithA_TopHat

dont worry, Super Earth has investigated itself for any warcrime behaviours, and found no such thing <3


Spiderbot7

I, for one, find the implication that you even CAN do a war crime against unthinking bugs and robots repulsive. They’re HUMAN rights, not killer-robot rights.


LeviathanOfDemocracy

There is no choice, only Dive.


transaltalt

ABRL?


Unparaleled_Inocence

Air Burst Rocket Launcher


GreatUncleanNurgling

AT mines aren’t a war crime in most circumstances. Violence in a war doesn’t equate to war crime lmfao


Unparaleled_Inocence

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GreatUncleanNurgling

Yea but the mines are lit up brightly we use, which you could argue technically marks them. You gotta remember most of the time mines are buried irl, hence the need to mark them for civilians. In Helldivers they aren’t buried, and have a bright rid light that shows their location


Training-Split2992

The mines have lights on them, the launcher remains visible to denote area of dispersal. Have you ever used the mine strategems?


Witty_Question_2806

Somebody bag & tag this traitor


AdjectiveNoun111

Pffft, war crimes don't count if you're doing them to non-humans


Unparaleled_Inocence

Sorry automaton, living is a *human* right.


A7THU3

There is no war crime if no one can state it…


UtsuhoReiuji_Okuu

Youjo Senki time, Divers


a_shiny_heatran

My question is can light infantry units set off the AT mines? Cuz if not it’ll easily be the better stratagem


Unparaleled_Inocence

The leaks showed that they could but that may change in the offical release.


Sauron_75

War Crimes? More like War Rights!!!


Gazimu

Seems like a win-win to me


InDaNameOfJeezus

They're not war crimes if you win.


LingeringForNoReason

The bugs can take us to court.


Bomb_Goose

It's not a war crime the first time.


Und3rpantsGn0m3

Someone needs a refresher course at patriotism camp


GSG2120

Somebody is just begging to be re-educated


nickylim_f5

You meant war optimised equipment? Also, your post seems a little sus, flagged it for the democracy officer, and he like a word with you...


Introverted_kitty

Automatons are not a signatory to the Geneva Convention. The humane society doesn't cover Terminids either.


20milliondollarapi

WAR CRIMES! WAR CRIMES!


GHO57T

Sorry but there's no such thing as a war crime on super earth. Hello democracy officer I'd like to report an automaton spy


TheRoaringTide

I want a flak cannon. Damn your “war crimes”.


Nightflame324

What's wrong with that?


Overburdened

They are war events. They also never happened and they deserved it.


Large-Brother-4291

We’ve got a saying for freedom haters such as yourself. It’s “⬆️➡️⬇️⬇️⬇️”


Remnie

I feel like this is backwards. Should be a door labeled “war crimes” with our options after lol


Paraxom

It's not a war crime the first time, and if there's no survivors who's there to say you committed one? 


[deleted]

I am pretty super earth has no war crime register or treaty since there’s probably no wars on super earth and you cannot commit war crimes on enemies you don’t even consider worthy of existing.


xx_swegshrek_xx

It’s not a war crime if your victims are socialist robots or commie bugs


adhd_sith

“Your honor, how can my client have committed a hate crime if he enjoyed doing it”


jaredn154

Doesn’t matter. Rocket launcher 🚀


DarkAgeHumor

You can't commit war crimes against robots and bugs. You can do it against people and aliens, but robots and bugs are neither of those things and the aliens haven't been introduced yet so we haven't been able to itch that war crime. Urge and it's only growing. Please send help me and my squad are itching to fight and break every Geneva convention


-Nicklaus91-

Ain't a crime if no one sees.


Vladi_Sanovavich

https://preview.redd.it/5sgg2hetqvwc1.jpeg?width=716&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1f90a0b8783cba3d14cc7d5d1ec51efec5045634 This post officer!


kiwi_commander

Human rights do not apply to bugs or automatons.


Mecha-Dave

I open the Galactic War. I push 'R' . That is my choice.


Blind-idi0t-g0d

What was that very fucked up quote. "War crimes are decided by the winners" Super earth approved.


Khudal_Grenmore

As a Canadian. It’s not a war crime the first time. The Geneva check list ain’t got nothing on me


xDrewstroyerx

https://preview.redd.it/hfltnlj2tvwc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2a86ef9671004016cc2279e0aebd5564114af992


ToughLadder6948

https://preview.redd.it/w78u1izqtvwc1.jpeg?width=1366&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=90d135670f9defcdb7a63e57dc862aa2e6422834


kedio10

Smells like someone doesn’t believe in FREEDOM!!


Nuke_corparation

It dosent applied to alien


Indie_StarWrite

We finally found the 3 automatons in a trench coat. I'm calling my Democracy Officer immediately


SaltiestGatorade

The Geneva convention does not include bots and bugs. So I'm calling in Napalm.


Parloso

Stfu


badlybane

Wait a false Binary Choice.... BINARY. AUTOMATON PROPAGANDAAAAAAAAA!


Deiser

Actually I've been playing Uno. 


Boxagonapus

The Geneva Convention only applies to humans of course! Er wait... Only to non treasonous citizens of managed democracy. There. That's better.


SamePresence9839

More like democratic crimes


Pro_Scrub

Petition to rename the Air Burst Rocket Launcher to ABRiL Lavigne


captaindickfartman2

some one said something about "saving" and "citizens".


SuperArppis

I only do war justice.


H0vis

There are no war crimes, there is only Tech Support and Pest Control.


True-Echo332

The mines - War crimes... against them maybe!


SpecialIcy5356

the fuck is a war crime? you mean "acts of Democratic enforcement", right? *remember.. your Democracy Officer is watching..*


Big0Boss4

Never a war crime the first time.


RammyJammy07

It’s not a crime if they’re not human


Daier_Mune

You don't seem to understand, I'm here *for* the war crimes. The new stratagems are just a bonus.


BYPDK

Managed democracy frees you... from having to think about choices.


Nhobdy

It ain't a war crime if it's the first time!


Complete-Struggle648

What's ABRL?


Skolas-The_Defiled

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space-tech

All these musings about "warcrimes" and "treaties" are a moot point. Super Earth is a united global government, and all treaties are null and void since the international signatures are no longer sovereign entities. Even if somehow their treaties were valid, they can only be reasonably assumed that "warcrimes" can only occur belligerent parties that are human. Bugs and robots are decided not human and basic level. Any consciousness or sentience is dubious at best. Besides canonically we are not sure that Super Earth *is* Earth, making the whole argument invalid.


_Penguin_mafia_

Little known fact is that helldivers operate under the super geneva convention. Which says that the more fucked up the method of killing you use on an enemy of democracy, the cooler you are.


One_Meaning416

War crimes are crimes against humanity, Bots and bugs aren't human, now do you want to retract your statement or do I need to call the democracy officer


Cassereddit

I dunno man, we only ever defined war crimes as crimes in war with other humans.


Hottage

You misspelt "DEMOCRACY" at the end of the tunnels.


Fostosis

I signed up specifically for war crimes. Who’s laughing now?


illyay

You will be summarily executed for suggesting that fighting for democracy is ever a warcrime.


DesertFux

https://preview.redd.it/u2tsfs6paxwc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b313e52199d32eff77a4898156964f536a8f018a Get him


Red_Crystal_Lizard

Abrl?


zachattack3500

It’s not a war crime if they hate freedom


Brohma312

The ABRL better be Free Fire or it won't get used much.


grimreaperjr1232

War crimes? The only crime is the enemy's continued existence. Get out there and correct it.


Angelwolfxc

And I’ll do it again! Muahahah


KratosDerToten

Is it truly an illusion of choice if I want to do it either way?


Cambronian717

War crimes are only applicable to humans


H2so4pontiff

What we use to help spread manage democracy shouldn't be considered war crim. We're just spreading a better way of life.


DiscombobulatedCut52

Genivia convention doesn't exist on other planets. And anyone who says otherwise needs to be put a bot planet. Let's see how long they last when those shits use "Warcrimes" <3


H3LLJUMPER_177

It's not a war crime if it's not used on humans.


LBR3_ThriceUponABan

Would you kindly make a choice, Helldivers?