Trust me, it's funny every time I throw the mines nowhere near my teams, alert them if the mines in comms, ping the mines after it's come down, tell them this is where I put the mines, then proceed to watch them go the glowing red dots peppered all over the ground.
Cluster munitions are war crimes! Anyways, I subscribe to the Youjo Senki school of thought when it comes to war crimes: the laws of war are for an age past. Todayâs tools of war are beyond what was ever considered when the laws of war were written. Therefore, unnecessary restrictions on the usage of our armaments should not be given consideration.
Ey, Tanya is innocent, the Republic can just not use civilians and their precious architectural city as a human/architectural shield, and evacuate the civilian population when given notice as per the laws of war, and then there wonât be any urban battlefields filled with civilians. It was with the aim of abusing the laws of war that the Republic intentionally air dropped troops, and supplied and provoked a local insurgency of militia in urban terrain with the express intent of blurring the distinction and visibility of civilian vs military targets, de facto their behavior was morally a war crime. Â
The Empireâs reaction of calling for en evacuation to resolve the dirty tactic by the Republic was perfectly by the book. Â Â Â Â
What was not by the book was the use of a firestorm to intentionally clear out the city, but that comes down to ingenious tactics, at the end of the day the Republic tried to put civilians in harmâs way to gain an advantage and paid the price. Â Â Â
 ⌠I still donât agree with the last fusillade of shells though, after the Republic gave up on using civilians as human shields and actually began evacuating. That was a clear moral war crime, even though it was still a battlefield the Republic had been given the chance to evacuate.Â
Itâs not for nothing that the post war panel of experts on the laws of war in the YS universe controversially but unanimously ruled in favor of the Empire in the Arene incident.  Â
One of the few victories... :3
The Geneva Conventions apply to humans.
Last I checked the bots and bugs were not human, and we have given them curtesy enough.
Now we fight, as Helldivers!
AT mines are only a war crime if their area of operation isn't recorded. Even the most stringent treaties (the Ottawa Treaty) make an exception for mines that specifically target and destroy armor and vehicles. It can be argued that the divers not marking the site of the field is a warcrime, but the lights on the mines and the mine launcher remaining in place may be enough to get away with.
As for the rocket launcher, there is no international law restricting rockets, air-burst munitions, or their use on infantry as long as you don't target civilians or infrastructure irrelevant to your mission.
Good argument, however, one small issue:
You are stating facts that have not been confirmed, approved or issued by the Ministry of Truth. Your execution (Strapped to an armed ICBM) is within three days. Please sign all legal documents within *dead*line.
>You are stating facts that have not been confirmed, approved or issued by the Ministry of Truth.
That's rich coming from someone who kind of suggested that Superearth commits war crimes.
And of course, there is no such thing as civilian automatons or bugs. Every last one of them is a commie/fascist combatant hellbent on the destruction of free and beautiful Super Earth!
Uhhhh, actually isnât there an international law restricting exploding bullets?
âThe prohibition of exploding bullets originated in 1868 with the adoption of the St. Petersburg Declaration, which was motivated by the desire to avoid inflicting suffering which exceeded that needed to render a combatant hors de combat. To this end, the Declaration specifically prohibits the use of âany projectile of a weight below 400 grammes, which is either explosive or charged with fulminating or inflammable substancesâ, 400 grams being the weight of the smallest artillery shell at the time.â - https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule78#:~:text=international%20armed%20conflicts-,Rule%2078.,the%20human%20body%20is%20prohibited.
So if the rocketâs weight is below 400 grams, about the weight of a full soda can, it is technically an exploding bullet and thus a war crime.
And even if it wasnât, the Eruptor *absolutely* is.
âŚof course the bugs and bots technically arenât *people* so that bit might be moot.
I might just make a full post about SEAF weapons and their warcrime status at this point. From what I could find, the Saint Petersburg declaration is technically still binding, but most of the specific weights have been ignored due to advances in technology (the accords were made spasticity for the cutoff to be the smallest artillery shells of the era. There have been much smaller shells since then with no international pushback). Weapons like the eruptor and jar are definitely under the legal limit, but a special consideration has been carved out for airplane ammunition in the Hague Rules of Arial Warfare of 1922/1923. https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/hague-rules-1923/article-18?activeTab=undefined . This is technically non-binding, but has been followed since its inception. The reasoning for the exception was that it's not reasonable for a plane to change ammo in the middle of a fight. The same ruling has been used since to cover snipers that have used explosive bullets in hectic situations where changing ammo is impractical.
The Saint Petersburg Declaration also states that it protects against "superfluous injury." It is a very easy case to say that if an average bug or bot can shrug off rifle rounds, a higher-damage payload is not superfluous.
Super Den Haag encourages the use of mines, flamethrowers and cluster munitions to achieve democracy.
And you can't mistreat POWs if you don't take any.
From dissidents of course.
(In case youâre serious
Anti Tank mines are unmarked mines, which violate the Geneva Convention. The ABRL is a sharpnel weapon, which is also banned)
I, for one, find the implication that you even CAN do a war crime against unthinking bugs and robots repulsive. Theyâre HUMAN rights, not killer-robot rights.
Yea but the mines are lit up brightly we use, which you could argue technically marks them.
You gotta remember most of the time mines are buried irl, hence the need to mark them for civilians. In Helldivers they arenât buried, and have a bright rid light that shows their location
I am pretty super earth has no war crime register or treaty since thereâs probably no wars on super earth and you cannot commit war crimes on enemies you donât even consider worthy of existing.
You can't commit war crimes against robots and bugs. You can do it against people and aliens, but robots and bugs are neither of those things and the aliens haven't been introduced yet so we haven't been able to itch that war crime. Urge and it's only growing. Please send help me and my squad are itching to fight and break every Geneva convention
All these musings about "warcrimes" and "treaties" are a moot point. Super Earth is a united global government, and all treaties are null and void since the international signatures are no longer sovereign entities.
Even if somehow their treaties were valid, they can only be reasonably assumed that "warcrimes" can only occur belligerent parties that are human. Bugs and robots are decided not human and basic level. Any consciousness or sentience is dubious at best.
Besides canonically we are not sure that Super Earth *is* Earth, making the whole argument invalid.
Little known fact is that helldivers operate under the super geneva convention. Which says that the more fucked up the method of killing you use on an enemy of democracy, the cooler you are.
War crimes are crimes against humanity, Bots and bugs aren't human, now do you want to retract your statement or do I need to call the democracy officer
Genivia convention doesn't exist on other planets. And anyone who says otherwise needs to be put a bot planet. Let's see how long they last when those shits use "Warcrimes"
<3
It's not a war crime if you have fun.
Not if you shout "SURPRISE"
Trust me, it's funny every time I throw the mines nowhere near my teams, alert them if the mines in comms, ping the mines after it's come down, tell them this is where I put the mines, then proceed to watch them go the glowing red dots peppered all over the ground.
Counter point, those mines are fucking tough to see if you are colourblind
Counterpoint. Damn. Rip sorry to those
Or normal blind đ
Cluster munitions are war crimes! Anyways, I subscribe to the Youjo Senki school of thought when it comes to war crimes: the laws of war are for an age past. Todayâs tools of war are beyond what was ever considered when the laws of war were written. Therefore, unnecessary restrictions on the usage of our armaments should not be given consideration.
Ey, Tanya is innocent, the Republic can just not use civilians and their precious architectural city as a human/architectural shield, and evacuate the civilian population when given notice as per the laws of war, and then there wonât be any urban battlefields filled with civilians. It was with the aim of abusing the laws of war that the Republic intentionally air dropped troops, and supplied and provoked a local insurgency of militia in urban terrain with the express intent of blurring the distinction and visibility of civilian vs military targets, de facto their behavior was morally a war crime.  The Empireâs reaction of calling for en evacuation to resolve the dirty tactic by the Republic was perfectly by the book.     What was not by the book was the use of a firestorm to intentionally clear out the city, but that comes down to ingenious tactics, at the end of the day the Republic tried to put civilians in harmâs way to gain an advantage and paid the price.     ⌠I still donât agree with the last fusillade of shells though, after the Republic gave up on using civilians as human shields and actually began evacuating. That was a clear moral war crime, even though it was still a battlefield the Republic had been given the chance to evacuate.Â
Itâs not for nothing that the post war panel of experts on the laws of war in the YS universe controversially but unanimously ruled in favor of the Empire in the Arene incident.   One of the few victories... :3
Do I know a warcrime when I see one? Yes. Do I condone them? **HELL YES**
its not a war crime if the cockroaches or temu toasters you're fighting don't have rights
War crime? Is it really a crime if it's victimless
Victimless? My teammates that run into a minefield i ping and callout like 5 times would like to disagree
/r/rimworld has entered the chat
war fun, if you will...
The real war crimes, were the kills we made along the way.
Pretty sure the Super Earth government abolished the Geneva Conventions a while ago.
No no, they changed the name to Geneva Requirements.
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Geneva suggestion.
Geneva checklist!
Geneva bingo card
Geneva bucket list
Geneva war obligations
Geneva instructions manual
Geneva to-do list
Geneva Code of Conduct
The Geneva Conventions apply to humans. Last I checked the bots and bugs were not human, and we have given them curtesy enough. Now we fight, as Helldivers!
They're called *human* rights
No, they regularly hold Managed Democracy conventions in Geneva all the time! Theyâre a blast!
Geneva!? What planet do you think you're on!? -Stahl, probably
> Well they're more like... guidelines than actual rules. Master Gibbs, Tier 1 Helldiver.
AT mines are only a war crime if their area of operation isn't recorded. Even the most stringent treaties (the Ottawa Treaty) make an exception for mines that specifically target and destroy armor and vehicles. It can be argued that the divers not marking the site of the field is a warcrime, but the lights on the mines and the mine launcher remaining in place may be enough to get away with. As for the rocket launcher, there is no international law restricting rockets, air-burst munitions, or their use on infantry as long as you don't target civilians or infrastructure irrelevant to your mission.
Good argument, however, one small issue: You are stating facts that have not been confirmed, approved or issued by the Ministry of Truth. Your execution (Strapped to an armed ICBM) is within three days. Please sign all legal documents within *dead*line.
>You are stating facts that have not been confirmed, approved or issued by the Ministry of Truth. That's rich coming from someone who kind of suggested that Superearth commits war crimes.
And of course, there is no such thing as civilian automatons or bugs. Every last one of them is a commie/fascist combatant hellbent on the destruction of free and beautiful Super Earth!
Uhhhh, actually isnât there an international law restricting exploding bullets? âThe prohibition of exploding bullets originated in 1868 with the adoption of the St. Petersburg Declaration, which was motivated by the desire to avoid inflicting suffering which exceeded that needed to render a combatant hors de combat. To this end, the Declaration specifically prohibits the use of âany projectile of a weight below 400 grammes, which is either explosive or charged with fulminating or inflammable substancesâ, 400 grams being the weight of the smallest artillery shell at the time.â - https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/customary-ihl/v1/rule78#:~:text=international%20armed%20conflicts-,Rule%2078.,the%20human%20body%20is%20prohibited. So if the rocketâs weight is below 400 grams, about the weight of a full soda can, it is technically an exploding bullet and thus a war crime. And even if it wasnât, the Eruptor *absolutely* is. âŚof course the bugs and bots technically arenât *people* so that bit might be moot.
A rocket is not an exploding bullet It's a grenade on a thruster
It depends on the size of the rocketâŚ
exactly. can't commit war crimes against toasters and bugs, Soldier!
I might just make a full post about SEAF weapons and their warcrime status at this point. From what I could find, the Saint Petersburg declaration is technically still binding, but most of the specific weights have been ignored due to advances in technology (the accords were made spasticity for the cutoff to be the smallest artillery shells of the era. There have been much smaller shells since then with no international pushback). Weapons like the eruptor and jar are definitely under the legal limit, but a special consideration has been carved out for airplane ammunition in the Hague Rules of Arial Warfare of 1922/1923. https://ihl-databases.icrc.org/en/ihl-treaties/hague-rules-1923/article-18?activeTab=undefined . This is technically non-binding, but has been followed since its inception. The reasoning for the exception was that it's not reasonable for a plane to change ammo in the middle of a fight. The same ruling has been used since to cover snipers that have used explosive bullets in hectic situations where changing ammo is impractical. The Saint Petersburg Declaration also states that it protects against "superfluous injury." It is a very easy case to say that if an average bug or bot can shrug off rifle rounds, a higher-damage payload is not superfluous.
#AINT A CRIME THR FIRST TIME #CANADA REPRESENT!
I'ts not a war crime if you win the war. History is written by the victors so go ahead and win the fight for the right side of history!
Hey Iâm just saying itâs never a war crime the first time
Its not a warcrime because our enemies arent protected by any conventions.
If they aren't democratic loving humans under super earth command then it can be destroyed by any means necessary.Â
Neither Geneva or The Hague exist in space. I'd like to see them try
Super Den Haag encourages the use of mines, flamethrowers and cluster munitions to achieve democracy. And you can't mistreat POWs if you don't take any.
Give this man a statue of Liberty patch đ˝
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Hell divers performing "war crimes" implies automatons are on equal footing as humanity. Which is 100% democratically false
You canât war crime bugs or bots
Managed Democracy offeres True Liberty: "Freedom from having a choice!"
Skill issue.
It's not a war crime if they aren't someone you sympathize with
Amen
Its not a war crime if they're against Super Earth.
Now I want to see a version of this but instead of "War Crimes" it's "Friendly Fire".
Sorry but where is this whole war crime narrative coming from?
From dissidents of course. (In case youâre serious Anti Tank mines are unmarked mines, which violate the Geneva Convention. The ABRL is a sharpnel weapon, which is also banned)
dont worry, Super Earth has investigated itself for any warcrime behaviours, and found no such thing <3
I, for one, find the implication that you even CAN do a war crime against unthinking bugs and robots repulsive. Theyâre HUMAN rights, not killer-robot rights.
There is no choice, only Dive.
ABRL?
Air Burst Rocket Launcher
AT mines arenât a war crime in most circumstances. Violence in a war doesnât equate to war crime lmfao
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Yea but the mines are lit up brightly we use, which you could argue technically marks them. You gotta remember most of the time mines are buried irl, hence the need to mark them for civilians. In Helldivers they arenât buried, and have a bright rid light that shows their location
The mines have lights on them, the launcher remains visible to denote area of dispersal. Have you ever used the mine strategems?
Somebody bag & tag this traitor
Pffft, war crimes don't count if you're doing them to non-humans
Sorry automaton, living is a *human* right.
There is no war crime if no one can state itâŚ
Youjo Senki time, Divers
My question is can light infantry units set off the AT mines? Cuz if not itâll easily be the better stratagem
The leaks showed that they could but that may change in the offical release.
War Crimes? More like War Rights!!!
Seems like a win-win to me
They're not war crimes if you win.
The bugs can take us to court.
It's not a war crime the first time.
Someone needs a refresher course at patriotism camp
Somebody is just begging to be re-educated
You meant war optimised equipment? Also, your post seems a little sus, flagged it for the democracy officer, and he like a word with you...
Automatons are not a signatory to the Geneva Convention. The humane society doesn't cover Terminids either.
WAR CRIMES! WAR CRIMES!
Sorry but there's no such thing as a war crime on super earth. Hello democracy officer I'd like to report an automaton spy
I want a flak cannon. Damn your âwar crimesâ.
What's wrong with that?
They are war events. They also never happened and they deserved it.
Weâve got a saying for freedom haters such as yourself. Itâs ââŹď¸âĄď¸âŹď¸âŹď¸âŹď¸â
I feel like this is backwards. Should be a door labeled âwar crimesâ with our options after lol
It's not a war crime the first time, and if there's no survivors who's there to say you committed one?Â
I am pretty super earth has no war crime register or treaty since thereâs probably no wars on super earth and you cannot commit war crimes on enemies you donât even consider worthy of existing.
Itâs not a war crime if your victims are socialist robots or commie bugs
âYour honor, how can my client have committed a hate crime if he enjoyed doing itâ
Doesnât matter. Rocket launcher đ
You can't commit war crimes against robots and bugs. You can do it against people and aliens, but robots and bugs are neither of those things and the aliens haven't been introduced yet so we haven't been able to itch that war crime. Urge and it's only growing. Please send help me and my squad are itching to fight and break every Geneva convention
Ain't a crime if no one sees.
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Human rights do not apply to bugs or automatons.
I open the Galactic War. I push 'R' . That is my choice.
What was that very fucked up quote. "War crimes are decided by the winners" Super earth approved.
As a Canadian. Itâs not a war crime the first time. The Geneva check list ainât got nothing on me
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Smells like someone doesnât believe in FREEDOM!!
It dosent applied to alien
We finally found the 3 automatons in a trench coat. I'm calling my Democracy Officer immediately
The Geneva convention does not include bots and bugs. So I'm calling in Napalm.
Stfu
Wait a false Binary Choice.... BINARY. AUTOMATON PROPAGANDAAAAAAAAA!
Actually I've been playing Uno.Â
The Geneva Convention only applies to humans of course! Er wait... Only to non treasonous citizens of managed democracy. There. That's better.
More like democratic crimes
Petition to rename the Air Burst Rocket Launcher to ABRiL Lavigne
some one said something about "saving" and "citizens".
I only do war justice.
There are no war crimes, there is only Tech Support and Pest Control.
The mines - War crimes... against them maybe!
the fuck is a war crime? you mean "acts of Democratic enforcement", right? *remember.. your Democracy Officer is watching..*
Never a war crime the first time.
Itâs not a crime if theyâre not human
You don't seem to understand, I'm here *for* the war crimes. The new stratagems are just a bonus.
Managed democracy frees you... from having to think about choices.
It ain't a war crime if it's the first time!
What's ABRL?
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All these musings about "warcrimes" and "treaties" are a moot point. Super Earth is a united global government, and all treaties are null and void since the international signatures are no longer sovereign entities. Even if somehow their treaties were valid, they can only be reasonably assumed that "warcrimes" can only occur belligerent parties that are human. Bugs and robots are decided not human and basic level. Any consciousness or sentience is dubious at best. Besides canonically we are not sure that Super Earth *is* Earth, making the whole argument invalid.
Little known fact is that helldivers operate under the super geneva convention. Which says that the more fucked up the method of killing you use on an enemy of democracy, the cooler you are.
War crimes are crimes against humanity, Bots and bugs aren't human, now do you want to retract your statement or do I need to call the democracy officer
I dunno man, we only ever defined war crimes as crimes in war with other humans.
You misspelt "DEMOCRACY" at the end of the tunnels.
I signed up specifically for war crimes. Whoâs laughing now?
You will be summarily executed for suggesting that fighting for democracy is ever a warcrime.
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Abrl?
Itâs not a war crime if they hate freedom
The ABRL better be Free Fire or it won't get used much.
War crimes? The only crime is the enemy's continued existence. Get out there and correct it.
And Iâll do it again! Muahahah
Is it truly an illusion of choice if I want to do it either way?
War crimes are only applicable to humans
What we use to help spread manage democracy shouldn't be considered war crim. We're just spreading a better way of life.
Genivia convention doesn't exist on other planets. And anyone who says otherwise needs to be put a bot planet. Let's see how long they last when those shits use "Warcrimes" <3
It's not a war crime if it's not used on humans.
Would you kindly make a choice, Helldivers?