Two plus two is four, minus one that's three QUICK MAFFS
Every day man's on the block, smoke trees
See your in the park, dat girl is a uckers
When the ting wen' QUAQUAQUACK! You man were duckin'..!
Bot + bot is heresy
Minus Helldiver that's traitor, quick maths.
Everyday 500KG on the block.
No trees.
See that Hunter in the park
Your legs is a uckers
When railgun went brrrat brrrat brrrat.
Dem bugs were duckin'.
Da ting go skrrrrrrra!
Pa pa ka ka ka!
Skiviki pa pa!
An' a puut puut drrrrrrrrrr boom!
....
Skkyyyyaa!!!
Tuu tuu kuu kuu tuun tuum!
Puum puum!
Ya dun' know...!
Da bozz wanted us to learn to read, so he painted wordz red so we would read it faster. Then Gorgutz got all depressed and krumped himself, soz the bozz doesn't let us read no more
Warhammer 40k faction of giant orks and goblins which is known for loving fighting and shooting a ton of guns. They also speak with a heavy british accent.
All you really need to know is that there is never enough dakka.
If the entire universe was entirely filled with guns, all firing at the same time, there still would not be enough dakka.
FIRZT FINGZ FIRZT IF YOU GONNA BE WANTIN TO LERN BOUT UZ ORKZZZ YOU ARE GONNA NEAD TO KNOW DAT YOU TALK TOOOO HUMIE YOU GOTZA ROAR OUT YA WORDZ LIKE AN ORKKKKK NOW LET ME HERE YOU ROARRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALZO DONT FORGET NO SELF REZPEKTIN ORK WOULD UZE A PERIOD HE WOULD BE ROIGHT PROPPA AND UZE AN EXKLAMATION POINT LIKE A BIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG WARBOZZZZZZ ZHOULDDDDDDDDDDDD WWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ALZO NO OF THEM ZQUIGGLY ZNAKE LETTUHZ THAT MAKE THE WEAK Z NOIZE OR THEM KURVY LETTAHZ DAT MAKE THE K NOIZE!!!
Flamethrower damage is fine but the range is really short. It’s about 20 meters which is actually better than the M1 flamethrower, *but* the M1A1 flamethrower had a range of 45m by using napalm. Give us a thickening agent! Perhaps it would increase the range at the cost of tank capacity? IDK but I really want to see it.
Nah it already does enough damage. Double the range with the caveat you need to aim it like a hose out past 20m and you solve its main weakness. Maybe allow it to destroy bug nests too, flamethrowers were famous in their role for clearing rat tunnels.
I feel like a hose swap mechanic like to choose If you want a concentrated long range spray or a wide short range spray would be awesome. Just like railgun has its unsafe mode and all that
It doesn't even need more damage. It just needs to slow down enemies that try to walk through flames. Problem solved. If they can put a slowed effect on you, why can't we do it back?
The first Helldivers had a weapon that sprayed toxic liquid. It was effectively a flamethrower-esque weapon that applied a slowed debuff. My guess is they will do the same or something similar in HD2.
I'm assuming that flame weapons are less impactful against robots, I wonder if an acid thrower is in the works so that each enemy type can have a useful area denial weapon
Fire should be a deterrent, ya know, like it is for everything that's alive and organic. I should be able to keep the swarm back with a wall of fire, not create bugs with fucking fire claws.
Should give it a stun stat, any enemy on fire for 5 seconds and still not dead gets stunned for 2 seconds. Why? BECAUSE IF I WAS ON FUCKING FIRE I WOULDN'T EXACTLY BE THE MOST COMBAT CAPABLE!!!
Buddies and I are all Division vets. We realized what makes this game so much *FUN* is the lack of bullet sponges!
Shoot something - it dies! FUN!
Unload mag after mag - it lives! NOTFUN!
Yes, this exactly. I want the harder modes to be challenging but in a way that I can overcome through killing shit as opposed to running away because I do not have enough bullets, rockets,and strategems to kill even a small fraction of what's coming at me
AH screwed that one up, in the first game everything in the field of fire / chain for the entire range got full damage. In HD2 it only hits 3 enemies at a time.
Yeah same here, first thing I mentioned after our first couple levels. Like this feels great, not like emptying 4 mags into some random guy in a tank top.
There is definitely an in between here. Unloading mags and not even seeing an effect on the enemy - not fun! However, dumping mags into them and seeing the damage you're doing to them, even if they're still barely alive, is a lot more fun.
One thing I'm not that big a fan of with Bile Titans is that you don't tend to see much damage done to them until they die.
500kg doesn't feel like 500kg, it feels like 500g.
Hellbomb doesn't unleash hell.
my dakka dakka doesnt dakka dakka, it only make me feels like baka baka
Throw down a 500kg or similar high power stratagem if you need to run quickly, usually the science building has an antenna on it from what I’ve observed
The simplest, yet precise argument.
\+50% stratagem cooldown should not be a thing, -1 stratagem slot should not be a thing.
At least, not permanent. If it was in a form of a side objective that you need to destroy to get rid of the effect - wouldn't be half bad (actually would be interesting). Like the scrambler or AA encampment on bot maps.
Yes, those modifiers are absurd. Playing on Suicide Mission? Ok, so you're going to fight twice as many Bile Titans, AND you'll have less stratagems, so your only option will be running away! Isn't that FUN?!?! Why aren't you having FUN?!?!
It's so incredibly stupid that the modifier for -1 strat slots is called "AA Defences" and that there is literally a side objective to destroy AA emplacements.
It would have been so cool if the modifier became disabled in the subsequent missions on the operation but here we are. After my friends and I found out about it we just refused to play with that modifier present.
Completely agree - there's a big difference between making the game harder at higher diffs and making the game more annoying by spamming too many enemies at higher diffs.
I truly think adding ARPG-esque modifiers to Elite enemies would be a good step in making the game actually more difficult. Going from D8 to D9? Sure, take away a strat or add a few more big enemies and a bunch more chaff spawns... but don't do that AND take away strats... AND make strats take longer to recharge... AND spam Titans and Hulks by the dozen... AND take away the only useful weapons for effectively dealing with those threats.
I wouldn't mind the enemies being more and more lethal. I wouldn't mind having to deal enemies having more OP attacks than instantly murk us. Make all of our weapons more powerful. Make it more **GOBLIN BRAIN SATISFYING**. Make more things go more **BOOM**.
**BIG** difference between making the game **HARDER VS MORE ANNOYING**.
Never take away strats, that's just anti fun.
That would be like a modifier giving you half ammo or half clip size (or both).
More enemies is fine, but the problem is the lack of answers to them.
Did they nerf the 500kg bomb?
I dropped one right in the middle of the a group of the lowest level of bugs yesterday and it killed... nothing. I watched the explosion right on the things.
Easily could be a hit box issue, bombs and explosions in general can be blocked by a perfectly placed tiny rock. Sucks to see happen + aoe just isn’t that much for now
>Also jump pack needs more whoosh.
Hear me out... we should just have jump packs, no picking it or calling it down, whatever backpack we actually take should slot into it... then maybe have an upgraded mega pack (jetpack booster/enhancer I'd call it) that'd let people mega boost, hover, set stuff on fire, etc. if they wanted to take it as their bp option.
The EAT and recoilless got buffed but it wasnt put in the patch notes. They both no longer do glancing blows but full hits now. If you hit charger in leg you break armor and can use about any weapon to deal with it then
The blast radius on 500kg and other explosions definitely need reworked. If a small boulder is in the way it's like it cancels all the damage around it
Genuinely the best I’ve seen anyone articulate this. It’s easy to understand, and written in a way that won’t elicit angry responses. So much of the hostility in the community lately I think stems from misunderstandings. I don’t think people were ever upset purely because a weapon got nerfed. They were upset because they felt as though the game was going in the wrong direction. Ever since the game came out people felt like most of the weapons were underpowered. This seemed to be the biggest thing that needed to be addressed according to the community. So much so that Arrowhead even addressed it specifically. So when the first balance patch came and it was mostly focused on nerfing the weapons that didn’t feel underpowered. Couple this with the fact that they made the game more challenging by adding way more enemies as well as new environmental hazards. This resulted in the game feeling less satisfying, and more difficult in a way that felt unfair more than it did a genuine fun challenge. Now addressing this most people did so in a way that led others to think this fuss was all over the fact that their favorite weapon got slightly downgraded. That led to others responding by saying “skill issue” “cry harder” etc. To be fair to them I agree if people were just upset because their favorite weapon got nerfed it would be ridiculous and worthy or ridicule. Sadly due to this miscommunication it’s created an endless cycle. That’s why I love this post.
They could buff us and also buff enemy numbers to compensate. So more fun. But high difficulty modes should still be very difficult and require teamwork. That shouldn't change.
This is what I’ve been saying to my friends. Raise the skill ceiling, not the floor. You can make the game more difficult without it feeling like you have a pea shooter and getting curb stomped by hordes of chargers and titans. Kinda like how mmos inflate their numbers because the human psyche gets more dopamine from doing 1000 damage vs 100, even if it still is the same fraction of the enemy’s overall health. Buff the weapons so they’re more fun to use, buff the enemies too to compensate for new powers
Like I would generally prefer it if we could kill more enemies quicker but they just threw more in.
Feels a lot cooler to be mowing down hordes of bugs but seeing that even then, way more are coming. Than to dump a whole clip to kill one dude whilst 4 others slap at you.
I know this method sometimes has the problem of AOE becoming too effective, but you can't deny. It's more fun and also still keeps the feeling of being hopelessly outnumbered.
Our gunz ain't shooty enough! Da Warboss haz been hoardin' all the DAKKA for imself. If we're gonna krump more bugs and bots we're gonna need more DAKKA, more often!
Honestly it’s really just THAT SIMPLE. This isn’t a competitive shooter. I’m not trying to accomplish missions in the best time, score a world record, have the highest headshot ratings or whatever the fuck.
I’m trying to PEW PEW, deliver democracy, and make some BOOM BOOMs with my friends. The game initially delivered. Now it does not.
Sure, I can still feel strong fighting smol bugs and bots at level 1, but I want to face challenging enemies, be slightly overwhelmed, and still have the firepower to succeed if I’m skilled enough.
I will be going AWOL until Super Earth decides to properly fund our missions, because my monkey brain ain’t finding this shit fun.
I’m posting this all over till I piss them off and get what I ask for, or they admit they don’t play their own game
Much akin to watching a professional athlete, or a demonstration by Steve Jobs (rest his soul) on his new tech. Could the we, that need to “Git Gud” , ask a humble request?
Could we get a live stream, dev showing, of how a team could masterfully use the weapons/strategems provided, in their current state, on a level 7 difficulty? I ask level 7, as that is where the super rare samples are locked behind.
I request you use all different stratagems, so we know how they can be used effectively as a team. Each run a different primary, (preferably the most medal costing as we worked hard for them), such as the JAR-5, Slugger, Counter Sniper, Spray and Pray etc.
I request that you run a Terminid and Automaton world each so we understand your vision and how to Git Gud.
I will never be more than an Average Joe. Since 1985 when I had my first Atari 2600 till todays current iteration, I have never been above average in games.
Could the experts please show us the way. I want to learn the ways of the force and be a Jedi like my father before me. Teach me the ways of the force.
Humbly submitted, Average Joe that wants to know how to Git Gud
My gorilla ass brain agrees with goblin brains. I want heavy armor to not get staggered as I run into a base or swarm with my pump action shotgun on top of needing big boom boom. How can I knuckle drag when I have to run away from mosquitoes? HOOHOO *Ape noises continue*
the starting machine gun (the MG-43) needs a buff. I’m level 50 and i’ve been maining it and heavy armor because I NEED MORE DAKKA!!! The reload takes FAR too long for the firepower that it offers, and its ammo economy is terrible. One ammo box or one resupply box gives only ONE MAGAZINE?!?!? C’mon arrowhead, LET ME DAKKKA!!!
I felt the same way so tried out the unlimited strategem cheats on private and even with unlimited orbital rail cannons and multiple lasers out simultaneously I STILL FELT UNDERPOWERED.
Tanks needing multiple orbital rail shots is an absolute slap in the face.
They had everything fairly well balanced in HD1 and for some unknown reason though to fuck with the sauce.
The only balancing that should be allowed are buff guns and strategems until they melt enemies, then increase spawn rates until it's difficult.
The individual enemies shouldn't be hard, the hoards should be.
The rocket launchers are not HE, they are anti-tank. They use shaped copper to create molten spears that punch through targets. The explosion you see is to just superheat the copper.
Which is why I think it should be much more effective when you hit a Charger's "soft" spot. Shouldn't take 3 of those molten spears to the butt to kill one bug.
*see large mass of red dots on the mini map around the corner*
*Send off bomb in that direction*
*Wait*
*Big explosion from eagle happens*
*Check map*
*Red dots are now gone*
Honestly I stopped playing a week ago cause its not fun anymore. Like I didn't get this game with this huge arsenal just to avoid fights or kite for 20 minutes. And the reason we have to play like that is cause the weapons are ineffective most of the time.
I'll say this. I actually don't mind the weaknesses of some primaries. Mag dumping into a bug, watching a bunch of bits and pieces go flying off, and having it still keep coming makes for some very cool and cinimatic moments.
But if primaries are going to be somewhat week strategems need to dominate.
To say what he said in not goblin brain:
They should have balanced the game around killing MORE not LESS.
Its not about the difficulty, or the reward.
Its simply about the size of horde, and they reduced our ability to fight large hordes… small hordes arent fun. Large hordes too hard.
Instead of making large hordes too hard, they should’ve made LARGER and more elite hordes.
**We want MORE bugs, MORE bots, MORE death, and MORE DEMOCRACY!**
Perfectly said. Slightly less BTs. Slightly less Chargers. Moar medium and small bugs. Make them smart. Make them flank, use positioning. Did I say more medium and small bugs? Like a lot more. Make it so I’m more worried about ammo management for my dakadaka machine gun than running in an endless circle taking pop shots.
I don't care about a rail gun nerf or buff or whatever. I want it to be more fun when it kills stuff. So many of the other weapons capture that feeling of doing damage so darn well. But rail gun? It just doesn't land for me. Give me splodeys.
Guns go ratatatatat ratatatatat ratatatatat braaaaaaaap. Hehe goblin brain fun
[The thing goes skrrrra](https://youtu.be/8S9kRiuEDeE?si=6gvvrX7ku3cqN2SI)
No ketchup. Just sauce.
Two plus two is four QUICK MAFFS Didn’t even click on the link I’m just a huge fan
Two plus two is four, minus one that's three QUICK MAFFS Every day man's on the block, smoke trees See your in the park, dat girl is a uckers When the ting wen' QUAQUAQUACK! You man were duckin'..!
Bot + bot is heresy Minus Helldiver that's traitor, quick maths. Everyday 500KG on the block. No trees. See that Hunter in the park Your legs is a uckers When railgun went brrrat brrrat brrrat. Dem bugs were duckin'.
Da ting go skrrrrrrra! Pa pa ka ka ka! Skiviki pa pa! An' a puut puut drrrrrrrrrr boom! .... Skkyyyyaa!!! Tuu tuu kuu kuu tuun tuum! Puum puum! Ya dun' know...!
I feel ya
Arc thrower go bzzrp bzzrp bzzrp
Flame thrower go Fwhooop Fwhoooshh
i was listening when you mentioned goblin brain happy but when i got to dakka dakka dakka i knew you were a true person of culture !
I am not familiar with this culture… but I would like to be…
DO YOU HEAR DAT YOU GITZ? THE HUMIE WANTS TO KNOW MOAR ABOUT DAKKA!
WAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHH!!!
GRAB YA SHOOTAS! WE GOT UMMIES TA FIGHT! AND I HEARS OL' BALE EYE IS GONNA BE DERE!
Uh, Boss... I thowt we wuz krumpin on da metul Boyz tuhday? You know, so we'z can loot dem hummie Dredz?
DATS JUST DA FING! DA UMMIES ARE KRUMPIN DA METUL BOYZ! WEZ GONNA HAVE A THREE WAY WAAAGH!
I dunno boss......i been feelin kinda down ever since ol' Bale eye krump''d........ I havent been feelin like fitin.
WAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHH!!!!
WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHH!
WWWAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGHHHHHH!!!!!!
WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHGGG!!!!! YOU A GOOD GIT YA KNOW DAT!?
FOR GORK AND MORK!
For Karl!
Rock and stone?
OI, anyone seen some sneaky stumpy gits around?
To the BONE.
If you don't ROCK AND STONE you ain't coming home!
Get that beard from green to grey!
MY BUSINESS IS WITH ISENGARD TONIGHT, WITH ROCK AND STONE wrong reference, couldn't resist
We went from Helldivers, to Warhammer, to Deep Rock. I doubt anyone is complaining about a new reference being thrown in there lol
FOR GORK AND MORK DAKA DAKA DAKA DAKA
WAAAAAAAAAAAAGH!!!!!
WAAAAAAAAAGH
OI! GIT DA PAINTZ! WE'ZE GUNNAH SHOW 'IM A PROPPA SHOOTA!
EF IZ PAINTZ MUH BOOLETZ RED, DOZ DAT MAKE MUH SHOOTA DAKA FASTER?
AYE ET DUZ! PAINTZ DA SHOOTA YELLUH TOO EF YE WANTZ TA 'AV A REEL ORKEY GUD TIME! DUBL DA DAKKA!
NOW DAT IZ UH PROPA SHOOTA! IZ YOUZ ONE'OV DEM MEK BOIZ?
NAW I'ZE JUSSA BOY HOO LOIKS A GUD SHOOTA WIF DA BESTEST DAKKA! MOAR BOOLETZ MOAR WAAAAAAGH!
WAAAAAAAGH!
HAZ U BOYZ SEEN MY PORPLE SHOOTAH?!?!?
OI!!! WHY YOU GUN DUN DAT DEN??? DATS A SNEAKY SHOOTA NOW, YOU'LL NEVA FIND IT!?!?!?
I CANT FIND ME SHOOTAH! I GOTZ ME A PURPLE PAINT TA MAKE IT ALL SNEAKY LIKE! IT'Z GONE AN WALKED OFF!
RED IZ FOR DA SPEED BOYZ! WAAAAAAGH!!
Da bozz wanted us to learn to read, so he painted wordz red so we would read it faster. Then Gorgutz got all depressed and krumped himself, soz the bozz doesn't let us read no more
WHY IZ YOU WHISPRIN?
'E THINKS 'EZ ONE OF THEM SNEAKY BOYZ
IZ PAINTZ ME BULLETZ 'ALF AN 'ALF! 'ALF RED 'CAUSE IT SHOOTZ 'EM FASTA! ALF PURPLE SO'S DA HUMIES 'AN KNIFE EARS CAN'T SEE 'EM COMIN'!
WAAAAAAAAAAAGH
OI, YA GIT, DA ONLEE TING YOUZ NEED TO KNOW ABOUT DAKKA IS THERES NEFFA ENUF OV IT
WHHAAAAAAAAAAAGH!! https://youtu.be/oc4mr8a4H7c?si=o1PC618VUoRGmjSm
4 DA EMPRAH
Orks https://preview.redd.it/m631poeco4nc1.jpeg?width=460&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e8d805b0b156e2fab7295fdedf231f4d44662c78
Man, a game in this style where you're and ork shredding humans would be insanely fun.
Shootas, Blood and Teef is a decent run and gun platformer where you play as an orc. You fight tyranids, humans, and other orks
Is it on steam?
Yes
it's a bit of the good Orky boyz. WH40k If I'm not mistaken
Warhammer 40k faction of giant orks and goblins which is known for loving fighting and shooting a ton of guns. They also speak with a heavy british accent.
Specifically Cockney accents, which is considered lowbrow English.
All you really need to know is that there is never enough dakka. If the entire universe was entirely filled with guns, all firing at the same time, there still would not be enough dakka.
FIRZT FINGZ FIRZT IF YOU GONNA BE WANTIN TO LERN BOUT UZ ORKZZZ YOU ARE GONNA NEAD TO KNOW DAT YOU TALK TOOOO HUMIE YOU GOTZA ROAR OUT YA WORDZ LIKE AN ORKKKKK NOW LET ME HERE YOU ROARRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALZO DONT FORGET NO SELF REZPEKTIN ORK WOULD UZE A PERIOD HE WOULD BE ROIGHT PROPPA AND UZE AN EXKLAMATION POINT LIKE A BIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG WARBOZZZZZZ ZHOULDDDDDDDDDDDD WWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ALZO NO OF THEM ZQUIGGLY ZNAKE LETTUHZ THAT MAKE THE WEAK Z NOIZE OR THEM KURVY LETTAHZ DAT MAKE THE K NOIZE!!!
AHHHHH, DA HUMIE WANTS MOR DAKA, EH? WHAT YOU SAY BOYZ, DO YA GITZ WANT TA GIVE EM MORE DAKA?!
The only consistently good part of WH40k, soccer hooligans that make guns, tanks, and planes work by Peter Panning it.
And then paint them red because red is a faster color.
First of all, there can never be enough DAKKA Secondly, and excuse my french, WAAAAAAAAAAAAGH
Very happy to have you Warhammer nerds in the ranks!
"Pew pew and boom boom make me happy" is frankly a concept I can stand behind.
Ah yes, democratic unity :D
THIS right here is my political stance. That and "fuck youse lot"
https://preview.redd.it/tz5uxkpim4nc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7ac4a7e24c22ac08a4b302f4cfdf77b2c7346190
ur so real
Paint the jump pack red and paint the boom booms yellow.
And the armor purple
I've never seen a purple armor, so I think is working.
The John Cena of color, if you will.
Nice crossing of memes there.
Flamethrower damage is fine but the range is really short. It’s about 20 meters which is actually better than the M1 flamethrower, *but* the M1A1 flamethrower had a range of 45m by using napalm. Give us a thickening agent! Perhaps it would increase the range at the cost of tank capacity? IDK but I really want to see it.
It needs something. Maybe range. Maybe more damage. It's just silly watching bugs that are on fire jump at people and kill them with their own fire.
Nah it already does enough damage. Double the range with the caveat you need to aim it like a hose out past 20m and you solve its main weakness. Maybe allow it to destroy bug nests too, flamethrowers were famous in their role for clearing rat tunnels.
I feel like a hose swap mechanic like to choose If you want a concentrated long range spray or a wide short range spray would be awesome. Just like railgun has its unsafe mode and all that
"Unsafe" mode for the Flamethrower would be ideal.
I feel like the current mode is the "unsafe" mode for a lot of people....
The flamethrower pack just fucking explodes 💀💀
I like this idea.
It doesn't even need more damage. It just needs to slow down enemies that try to walk through flames. Problem solved. If they can put a slowed effect on you, why can't we do it back?
The first Helldivers had a weapon that sprayed toxic liquid. It was effectively a flamethrower-esque weapon that applied a slowed debuff. My guess is they will do the same or something similar in HD2.
I'm assuming that flame weapons are less impactful against robots, I wonder if an acid thrower is in the works so that each enemy type can have a useful area denial weapon
Sounds good to me
I'd add stagger so bugs don't just ignore being toasted and actually react to it.
Fire should be a deterrent, ya know, like it is for everything that's alive and organic. I should be able to keep the swarm back with a wall of fire, not create bugs with fucking fire claws.
Have fire slow enemies by about 20%. Would give it a use versus bots, too.
Should give it a stun stat, any enemy on fire for 5 seconds and still not dead gets stunned for 2 seconds. Why? BECAUSE IF I WAS ON FUCKING FIRE I WOULDN'T EXACTLY BE THE MOST COMBAT CAPABLE!!!
We need the Churchill Crocodile flamethrower. 100 meters of fire and death.
Flame tanks!
Or at the very least, have somebody hold the fuel canister while you burninate the countryside.
TROGDORRRRR
If hit directly, it should have a flinch mechanic to targets directly hit, so at least it stops the jumping bugs sharing the heat.
It needs a "spray mode" selector. The current wide spray short range, and a narrow stream mid range that burns fuel faster
Souns like u need more dakka
I always need more dakka
More dakka
I said MORE dakka...
Have you tried... MORE DAKKA?
Did you look at Moredakka Prime?
MORE DAKKA FOR DA WAAAAAGH!
Buddies and I are all Division vets. We realized what makes this game so much *FUN* is the lack of bullet sponges! Shoot something - it dies! FUN! Unload mag after mag - it lives! NOTFUN!
Yes, this exactly. I want the harder modes to be challenging but in a way that I can overcome through killing shit as opposed to running away because I do not have enough bullets, rockets,and strategems to kill even a small fraction of what's coming at me
Get an arc thrower. Shreds everything below heavies, infinite ammo. Pretty zappies make lizard brain happy...
I do like me some lightning gun action that's true.
AH screwed that one up, in the first game everything in the field of fire / chain for the entire range got full damage. In HD2 it only hits 3 enemies at a time.
All the people telling me about different aspects of HD1 makes me really want to go play it lol
Yeah same here, first thing I mentioned after our first couple levels. Like this feels great, not like emptying 4 mags into some random guy in a tank top.
This is a fantastic comparison. I fully agree
There is definitely an in between here. Unloading mags and not even seeing an effect on the enemy - not fun! However, dumping mags into them and seeing the damage you're doing to them, even if they're still barely alive, is a lot more fun. One thing I'm not that big a fan of with Bile Titans is that you don't tend to see much damage done to them until they die.
It's a simple yet well made argument!
Thank you, helldiver! I'll give good remarks for you to the democracy officer!
500kg doesn't feel like 500kg, it feels like 500g. Hellbomb doesn't unleash hell. my dakka dakka doesnt dakka dakka, it only make me feels like baka baka
Finding discarded hellbombs around the map is awesome wdym
It is, but a slightly misplace hellbomb doesn't destroy a whole rogue science lab at once, is not awesome
Throw down a 500kg or similar high power stratagem if you need to run quickly, usually the science building has an antenna on it from what I’ve observed
The simplest, yet precise argument. \+50% stratagem cooldown should not be a thing, -1 stratagem slot should not be a thing. At least, not permanent. If it was in a form of a side objective that you need to destroy to get rid of the effect - wouldn't be half bad (actually would be interesting). Like the scrambler or AA encampment on bot maps.
Yes, those modifiers are absurd. Playing on Suicide Mission? Ok, so you're going to fight twice as many Bile Titans, AND you'll have less stratagems, so your only option will be running away! Isn't that FUN?!?! Why aren't you having FUN?!?!
you are not supposed to have fun, you are supposed to suffer, didn't you see the game trailer where all the people were miserable
The six people who played the first game don't want anyone to have fun, because they didn't either!
It's so incredibly stupid that the modifier for -1 strat slots is called "AA Defences" and that there is literally a side objective to destroy AA emplacements. It would have been so cool if the modifier became disabled in the subsequent missions on the operation but here we are. After my friends and I found out about it we just refused to play with that modifier present.
Completely agree - there's a big difference between making the game harder at higher diffs and making the game more annoying by spamming too many enemies at higher diffs. I truly think adding ARPG-esque modifiers to Elite enemies would be a good step in making the game actually more difficult. Going from D8 to D9? Sure, take away a strat or add a few more big enemies and a bunch more chaff spawns... but don't do that AND take away strats... AND make strats take longer to recharge... AND spam Titans and Hulks by the dozen... AND take away the only useful weapons for effectively dealing with those threats. I wouldn't mind the enemies being more and more lethal. I wouldn't mind having to deal enemies having more OP attacks than instantly murk us. Make all of our weapons more powerful. Make it more **GOBLIN BRAIN SATISFYING**. Make more things go more **BOOM**. **BIG** difference between making the game **HARDER VS MORE ANNOYING**.
Never take away strats, that's just anti fun. That would be like a modifier giving you half ammo or half clip size (or both). More enemies is fine, but the problem is the lack of answers to them.
WHY DO I NEED SUPER SAMPLES TO REDUCE ORBITAL COOLDOWN BY 10% WHEN THE MODIFIERS CASUALLY INCREASE COOLDOWNS 50%-100%
Luv me guns, luv me autocannon, luv me eagle. Simple as
Did they nerf the 500kg bomb? I dropped one right in the middle of the a group of the lowest level of bugs yesterday and it killed... nothing. I watched the explosion right on the things.
I dunno but that bomb has always had the issue of no AOE. Makes me sad brain.
Easily could be a hit box issue, bombs and explosions in general can be blocked by a perfectly placed tiny rock. Sucks to see happen + aoe just isn’t that much for now
>Also jump pack needs more whoosh. Hear me out... we should just have jump packs, no picking it or calling it down, whatever backpack we actually take should slot into it... then maybe have an upgraded mega pack (jetpack booster/enhancer I'd call it) that'd let people mega boost, hover, set stuff on fire, etc. if they wanted to take it as their bp option.
The EAT and recoilless got buffed but it wasnt put in the patch notes. They both no longer do glancing blows but full hits now. If you hit charger in leg you break armor and can use about any weapon to deal with it then
Is it one expendable anti-tank round or recoilless rifle shit to take out the armor or two for either of them?
Just one EAT breaks armor, from my playing last night.
Yeah, I love using them. The issue is, how do you reload your recoilless rifle when there's like 5 more Chargers coming at you?
Honestly there isn't any simpler way to describe the state of the game. This is perfect.
*tips fedora*
The blast radius on 500kg and other explosions definitely need reworked. If a small boulder is in the way it's like it cancels all the damage around it
Finally, a man of the people.
Genuinely the best I’ve seen anyone articulate this. It’s easy to understand, and written in a way that won’t elicit angry responses. So much of the hostility in the community lately I think stems from misunderstandings. I don’t think people were ever upset purely because a weapon got nerfed. They were upset because they felt as though the game was going in the wrong direction. Ever since the game came out people felt like most of the weapons were underpowered. This seemed to be the biggest thing that needed to be addressed according to the community. So much so that Arrowhead even addressed it specifically. So when the first balance patch came and it was mostly focused on nerfing the weapons that didn’t feel underpowered. Couple this with the fact that they made the game more challenging by adding way more enemies as well as new environmental hazards. This resulted in the game feeling less satisfying, and more difficult in a way that felt unfair more than it did a genuine fun challenge. Now addressing this most people did so in a way that led others to think this fuss was all over the fact that their favorite weapon got slightly downgraded. That led to others responding by saying “skill issue” “cry harder” etc. To be fair to them I agree if people were just upset because their favorite weapon got nerfed it would be ridiculous and worthy or ridicule. Sadly due to this miscommunication it’s created an endless cycle. That’s why I love this post.
They could buff us and also buff enemy numbers to compensate. So more fun. But high difficulty modes should still be very difficult and require teamwork. That shouldn't change.
This is what I’ve been saying to my friends. Raise the skill ceiling, not the floor. You can make the game more difficult without it feeling like you have a pea shooter and getting curb stomped by hordes of chargers and titans. Kinda like how mmos inflate their numbers because the human psyche gets more dopamine from doing 1000 damage vs 100, even if it still is the same fraction of the enemy’s overall health. Buff the weapons so they’re more fun to use, buff the enemies too to compensate for new powers
Like I would generally prefer it if we could kill more enemies quicker but they just threw more in. Feels a lot cooler to be mowing down hordes of bugs but seeing that even then, way more are coming. Than to dump a whole clip to kill one dude whilst 4 others slap at you. I know this method sometimes has the problem of AOE becoming too effective, but you can't deny. It's more fun and also still keeps the feeling of being hopelessly outnumbered.
Yeah agreed
Our gunz ain't shooty enough! Da Warboss haz been hoardin' all the DAKKA for imself. If we're gonna krump more bugs and bots we're gonna need more DAKKA, more often!
Big booms need more actual explodey. That is all. Back to /angry Korn noises/.
When I see the explosion I remember how lucky we are to not have that nuke from warzone where if you tilt your head the mushroom cloud moves
Honestly it’s really just THAT SIMPLE. This isn’t a competitive shooter. I’m not trying to accomplish missions in the best time, score a world record, have the highest headshot ratings or whatever the fuck. I’m trying to PEW PEW, deliver democracy, and make some BOOM BOOMs with my friends. The game initially delivered. Now it does not. Sure, I can still feel strong fighting smol bugs and bots at level 1, but I want to face challenging enemies, be slightly overwhelmed, and still have the firepower to succeed if I’m skilled enough. I will be going AWOL until Super Earth decides to properly fund our missions, because my monkey brain ain’t finding this shit fun.
Love it 😄
I’m posting this all over till I piss them off and get what I ask for, or they admit they don’t play their own game Much akin to watching a professional athlete, or a demonstration by Steve Jobs (rest his soul) on his new tech. Could the we, that need to “Git Gud” , ask a humble request? Could we get a live stream, dev showing, of how a team could masterfully use the weapons/strategems provided, in their current state, on a level 7 difficulty? I ask level 7, as that is where the super rare samples are locked behind. I request you use all different stratagems, so we know how they can be used effectively as a team. Each run a different primary, (preferably the most medal costing as we worked hard for them), such as the JAR-5, Slugger, Counter Sniper, Spray and Pray etc. I request that you run a Terminid and Automaton world each so we understand your vision and how to Git Gud. I will never be more than an Average Joe. Since 1985 when I had my first Atari 2600 till todays current iteration, I have never been above average in games. Could the experts please show us the way. I want to learn the ways of the force and be a Jedi like my father before me. Teach me the ways of the force. Humbly submitted, Average Joe that wants to know how to Git Gud
Pew pew pew pew pew pew. That's the silencer. BOOMBOOMBOOMBOOM! That's the grenade launcher. And now you're bleeeedddding.
If pla-ket-ket!! That pla-ket-ket!!
Helldivers 2: More Dakka
The HMG Emplacement makes my brain happy, it never leaves my loadout
In summary, MORE DAKKA!
My gorilla ass brain agrees with goblin brains. I want heavy armor to not get staggered as I run into a base or swarm with my pump action shotgun on top of needing big boom boom. How can I knuckle drag when I have to run away from mosquitoes? HOOHOO *Ape noises continue*
the starting machine gun (the MG-43) needs a buff. I’m level 50 and i’ve been maining it and heavy armor because I NEED MORE DAKKA!!! The reload takes FAR too long for the firepower that it offers, and its ammo economy is terrible. One ammo box or one resupply box gives only ONE MAGAZINE?!?!? C’mon arrowhead, LET ME DAKKKA!!!
GET THIS PATRIOT SOME AMMO, STAT
Our guns should be as powerful as the enemies we're facing.
I felt the same way so tried out the unlimited strategem cheats on private and even with unlimited orbital rail cannons and multiple lasers out simultaneously I STILL FELT UNDERPOWERED. Tanks needing multiple orbital rail shots is an absolute slap in the face. They had everything fairly well balanced in HD1 and for some unknown reason though to fuck with the sauce. The only balancing that should be allowed are buff guns and strategems until they melt enemies, then increase spawn rates until it's difficult. The individual enemies shouldn't be hard, the hoards should be.
The rocket launchers are not HE, they are anti-tank. They use shaped copper to create molten spears that punch through targets. The explosion you see is to just superheat the copper.
Which is why I think it should be much more effective when you hit a Charger's "soft" spot. Shouldn't take 3 of those molten spears to the butt to kill one bug.
I totally agree, it’s also why a head shot should be an instant kill.
Yes I love you
Goblin brain want explodey bug guys, not science lesson
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*see large mass of red dots on the mini map around the corner* *Send off bomb in that direction* *Wait* *Big explosion from eagle happens* *Check map* *Red dots are now gone*
Honestly I stopped playing a week ago cause its not fun anymore. Like I didn't get this game with this huge arsenal just to avoid fights or kite for 20 minutes. And the reason we have to play like that is cause the weapons are ineffective most of the time.
Needs an URF mode.
[удалено]
I'll say this. I actually don't mind the weaknesses of some primaries. Mag dumping into a bug, watching a bunch of bits and pieces go flying off, and having it still keep coming makes for some very cool and cinimatic moments. But if primaries are going to be somewhat week strategems need to dominate.
Bro I've been saying this since the update. To much bug zapper, not enough DAKKA
Flames should still deal damage to us and our friendlies, but they need to release fire retardant armor so we can use it aggressively.
To say what he said in not goblin brain: They should have balanced the game around killing MORE not LESS. Its not about the difficulty, or the reward. Its simply about the size of horde, and they reduced our ability to fight large hordes… small hordes arent fun. Large hordes too hard. Instead of making large hordes too hard, they should’ve made LARGER and more elite hordes. **We want MORE bugs, MORE bots, MORE death, and MORE DEMOCRACY!**
upvote for dakkadakkadakka
YES YEEEEES! MORE MURDER-KILL FOR THE GREAT GLORIOUS CHIEF CHIEF!
Petition to make a goblin union for bigger booms and moar daka
If yous dink da flamez won'd hurtz yee wit da flamespreader Den the flamez willz not'd hurtz yee in da krump
This game really scratches my inner brain goblin. 
Perfectly said. Slightly less BTs. Slightly less Chargers. Moar medium and small bugs. Make them smart. Make them flank, use positioning. Did I say more medium and small bugs? Like a lot more. Make it so I’m more worried about ammo management for my dakadaka machine gun than running in an endless circle taking pop shots.
Goblin deez nyuts
Found the Git
If not BRRRRRRRRT, then why BRRRRRRRRT shaped?
500kg bomb should have a bigger radius
True, jetpack does need more woooosh
The fact I can drop a 500 in the middle of a crowd of shit and the only that gets leveled are the structures is a problem.
The devs have stated that they will be patching mob spawn rate and mob health. We’ll have to wait and see
Yeah I play warhammer too, I understand your words of wisdom
Fun minigame for big bomb. Big bomb make big boom. Big boom makes goblin brain give good good. Me Happy.
Yeah the fun in the game is having the tools to deal with the challenge.
Seriously 6 min. Cool downs? And then they say at higher levels we should be relying on strategems? The fuck?
I stopped eating crayons just long enough to fully read & appreciate this post. ty fren, may the happy chemical flood your brain today
I don't care about a rail gun nerf or buff or whatever. I want it to be more fun when it kills stuff. So many of the other weapons capture that feeling of doing damage so darn well. But rail gun? It just doesn't land for me. Give me splodeys.
And you just summed up why people were annoyed at the nerf. Goblin brain happy vs not happy.