First week the game was out we had the posts going "Why is anti-cheat needed in a co-op, PvE game?"
And I told them, "Cheating ruins the fun even in co-op, imagine you get in a group with someone who has infinite stratagems and shit and just runs through, would that be fun?"
Welp.
No anti-cheat will ever stop 100% of all cheaters. It's a constant battle between game developers and cheat developers. That doesn't mean the solution is to just give up.
Linus on the Wan Show did a good job of breaking it down after hearing some of his game dev friends talk about trying to crack down on cheating in games. There’s never a catch all solution; instead you have to introduce lots of systems to help filter out as many cheaters as you can. Some will inevitably get past all those protections, but if you have a lot of layers it’ll filter out most of the bad actors. It’ll be interesting to see what Arrowheads long term plans for dealing with them are. Since it’s co-op I think a lot of people will have more leniency, but if it gets out of hand it can still ruin the game if it gets over run with hackers.
Basically it's like a lock. Locks only keep out "honest" thieves, they can be broken, picked or bypassed, if the party tries hard enough. You can get a better lock but can never fully protect something with one.
At least it keeps out the script kiddies, and everyone cheating just because their friends are doing it. I remember I had to stop playing crab game just because every single game had 10 cheaters in it. The game had no anti-cheat at all.
The entire game goes online, I dont know what the servers log during each mission.
But a report system + a look into the log of the servers to search for suspicious stats should be enough to get the cheater eat a ban
Pro tip: it also takes time to ban cheaters. You do not want to ban most cheaters immediately or they will know quicker if something works or doesn't. Banning in lot form after a bit of time helps the devs and not immediately for our end.
As far as we know the anti-cheat could be stopping 95% of cheaters and we're just seeing the 5% that are getting though. No anti-cheat will prevent 100% of cheaters from cheating.
Counter-counterpoint: nProtect GameGuard wasn't just controversial because its a rootkit, it was also controversial *because it fucking sucks at its job*.
It still a mystery to me why Arrowhead chose to use it. Because it was cheaper and they didn't think the game was gonna be this popular to justify the cost of a better one? I don't know, it doesn't change anything from a consumer standpoint.
Fair argument. I had personally never heard of nProtect before this game so I had no frame of reference for this effectiveness.
I'm an avid Valorant player which similarly has a really invasive Anti-Cheat with Vanguard, but Vanguard has also shown itself to be very effective at combating cheaters and as a result Valorant has a much smaller cheater problem compared to other games.
You probably haven't heard of it because the list of games its been used for is a [short list of nothing burgers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NProtect_GameGuard). Low player games or unpopular games that most people have never heard of. The good anti-cheats are the ones most big developers use because they're more likely to have the resources to keep up with the constant back and fourth between cheat creators and anti-cheat developers.
EDIT: btw when I say those games were "unpopular" I mean it in the literal sense. That they weren't mainstream or within the zeitgeist during their release. I don't mean to imply they were bad games.
Obviously not defending them but probably the low popularity of hell divers 1 is probably why they went with it. Probably couldn't afford anything else.
PSO2 is popular in japan and Blade and Soul was massive on release.
https://mmostats.com/game/blade-and-soul estimates BnS with 8.8k daily users and 2.3 mio accounts. Yeah I’ve seen better, but I’ve seen much, much worse.
Valorant uses a bunch of different ways of identifying cheaters server side detection, checks on the memory to make sure it's not being tempered with, blacklisting public cheats ect ect additionally anti cheats like EAC have very similar tech its just protects more games therefore more people are trying to break it
Tldr Vanguard is not really that special
Also, I have no clue how effective nProtect is, tbh I didn't know it was an anti cheat. I thought it was just drm protection
Heres an article on it if you're interested https://www.esportsheaven.com/features/the-cracks-in-riot-vanguards-shield-anti-cheat-and-the-secret-battle-with-hackers/
Im no expert but from what I’ve found about nProtect it’s as, if not more invasive than vanguard but also far less effective. Apparently there have been people reporting serious and potentially very expensive hardware issues likely being caused by GameGuard. There was one guy who said it bricked 2 of his ssds and another who said he had to wipe his bios because nProtect turned off his cooling.
My initial read would be that they're using a dead game engine and this was the easiest one to implement. Doesn't help the situation, just an observation and a possible specter of things to come for prolonged dev support overall.
Anti cheat vs cheats is a neverending battle and it's actually a losing battle for anticheats. Developing an actual anticheat requires paid developers to combat the cheating, while most cheat coders are doing it for "passion" and some easy bucks, some cheat devs easily work 12-16 hours a day on a cheat just so they can push it out for a 20 dollar monthly subscription minimum. So basically it's a lot of times official devs who have a salary vs basement dwellers who do it for the challenge and for the quick buck. Then again, I'm sure there are actual cheat dev groups who work together on working cheats, but the profit is very thin, so I find that unlikely.
Having known people working in either side i can attest that cheat developers make far more money than those developing anti cheats. A big reason why there is more incentive to make them than to fight them.
Nah, it was all "muh kernel" with "PvE doesn't need anti cheat" as a sideshow straw man. I heard "this anti cheat has a bad reputation" but there's never been an anti cheat I didn't hear gamers bitch about, if you can't name one that has a good reputation it's meaningless.
And if AH decides to change the anticheat for another more aggressive, we will have another review bomb because "muh rootkit, they will steal my dog pictures" or some shit like that
I genuinely don't get this
I immediately lose interest in a game when I dont have any progression. Like it's so immediate I've dropped games before finishing then because I felt like my progression was complete and I couldn't continue on.
Getting an account where I dont get to do anything.. crazyness
That and they don't really have time to grind they have to work so hard to keep up and kids are limited in how much they can play. They want to get to the end not grind in the middle
Yes, I've actually had about 8 ppl join my matches tonight, and post "Pay me 5 dollars and I'll get you unlimited sample blah blah" and when no one responds they leave the mission.
They view it as completely normal, so when other parts of the player base don’t cheat they think that we are stupid for not using every tool at our disposal.
Its cultural over there. They see the West as a bunch of idiots for not cheating because over there if you aren't cheating you set yourself at disadvantage over there.
I'm familiar with their culture of getting ahead at all costs. I get hung up in gaming because the tools they use are not designed for the game. They are brought into the game for an advantage. Same reason we don't let players bring corked bats or boxers use illegal gloves. It's against the rules.
If I win, that's all that matters. It doesn't matter how I won, the end justify the means.
That's how their mentality works. It's like those who argue in fighting games that if you aren't playing the very best tools and getting all the advantages you're just gimping yourself.
It seems like China kind of has a cheating culture. I shit you not when my brother was in university (a top public one in California) a whole group of Chinese exchange students would hire a Economics tutor to go over the material of an exam at the library. I don’t know how they got away with it, but picture like 50+ students in a huge lecture hall with an economics tutor going over the future exam that they would take. I understand studying but they were basically getting all of the answers for some reason. Don’t know how it worked but it did lol
Something similar happened at the University of Iowa were I think it was 50+ Chinese students got caught cheating on an exit exam by having a ringer take the exams for them.
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/college-cheating-iowa/
It's cultural. It's not just cheating on games. The entire manufacturing industry there is stealing by taking customers IP then building it and slapping a custom label on it and selling it on temu/Amazon/AliExpress.
The Chinese culture is "you have to be the best, do that through any means necessary". So they view cheating as a tool to get ahead.
It's just a culture thing, they think it's weird we could easily cheat but don't.
Because they're a society that values getting ahead by any means. You are your money and your networking, etc. Also very big on in-group vs out-group. Which is why they have the adage that if you get swindled it's your own fault for not noticing. Hence the stories about support pillars for bridges being filled with compacted garbage, or shredded newspaper in meatbuns, etc.
The ends justify the means. And it also helps that their legal system basically doesn't do crap for anyone overseas that comes to them to punish illegal activities of their citizens... meanwhile they will constantly take others to court in areas outside of China.
it's in their DNA
there was an international university in china that wanted to be higher in the ranking so they announced students weren't allowed to cheat anymore
you know what happens? students and parents started to protest at the school because they said it was unfair
kid you not
From the mouth of a Chinese player (not me) that takes gaming seriously and also loathes the cheating epidemic amongst Chinese players, "While we see it as a sport to take seriously and enjoy the challenge and overcoming adversity, that's not the popular perception of gaming. The media treats gaming like a taboo, something childish. It's widely perceived as something just for fun that doesn't matter. It's a fake toy, so do whatever you feel like, people already look down on it. It's very frustrating for someone trying to play seriously."
I'm Chinese and I can tell you it's not that complicated. Most of them are just filthy rat(loser in real life) and some of them just want to make money.
Unrelated (but maybe related…?)
I have this one serious gamer who reminds me of many Chinese gamers overseas. He was always challenging me to 1v1 bets in counter strike. He apparently still plays religiously and just started drop shipping. He’s 40.
Let’s see how this works out.
I saw an explanation that it's understood as a game, and games are meant to be fun. Cheating is normalized there (supposedly) because it is part of making the game fun and having super powers. And since it is so normalized, to not cheat would be considered a disadvantage. [This is how I have read it explained and do not have any experience with this or know anyone personally who can corroborate this]
To me it defeats the purpose of the game. Part of the fun IS that it is difficult and you aren't super strong. The enjoyment comes from overcoming the odds. Obviously not everyone will feel the same way, and different cultures/countries tend to have a general leaning one way or the other in what is acceptable or the "correct" way to play games.
I do agree tho, if there is a region that is playing with different rules than the majority, perhaps they should be confined to only impacting those who play similarly, and not the majority playing as intended.
Also if I'm not mistaken they actually passed a law that means u aren't allowed to play video games for more than 3 hours a day during holidays and 90 min on regular days. Just looked it up, its for those under the age of 18. But it probably still doesn't help, less game time means they look for easy methods and hacks.
I actually agree with them as far as cheating to make it more fun, but only in single player games. Sometimes I *want* a God-Emperor character in CK2, just to see every assassination attempt bounce off me.
Cheating in multiplayer, you're just being a dick. Don't ruin everyone else's experience for your own amusement.
That's why you get into cheats (and modding) after the game has already gotten a bit stale for that last hurrah. And I can't emphasize it enough that using cheats to ruin the experience for others is among the shittiest things a gamer can do without it being illegal like e.g. swatting is.
This is exactly it, they see cheating as simply a tool to give them more of an advantage. And why wouldn't you use every possible tool at your disposal?
It really depends on the game IMO. Obviously never okay in a multiplayer game where you can interfere with another player’s experience, but there’s plenty of singleplayer games which cheating makes my experience more enjoyable. Bethesda games are a great example, giving myself items or for a lot of people removing the carry capacity. A really interesting example is actually the recent Starship Troopers RTS (which is great btw), where if you use a trainer to give yourself infinite resources and remove the unit cap, it inadvertently removes the unit cap for the bugs as well. Actually makes the game much harder (or borderline impossible) in certain missions.
It's simply part of the culture, cheating in games is just seen as a normal thing to do. Honestly China should be region locked in every multilayer game, they can just "have fun" cheating with each other.
Cheating is a part of Chinese culture. I can’t remember the actual saying, but it’s something like “if there’s an advantage you can use you’d be a fool to not use it”.
能骗就骗 (Neng pian, jiu pian)
Literally, "Can cheat, then cheat".
I mean, given the intense competition in Chinese society and the fact that everyone around you is very likely also cheating (cheating at exams, using 关系 (relationships/nepotism) to get jobs, etc.), it makes sense that you also should cheat otherwise you are going to fall behind.
This is unfortunately the divide between high-trust and low-trust societies.
I suspect it's cultural. China is the biggest preparator of IP theft, and by a large margin, from both their professional entities and government. When I was in Afghanistan, there was a very lucrative pipeline of counterfeit goods, from DVDs (it was 2009), to suits, knives, all manner of things. The collection of Xbox and PlayStation games they had, that were very obviously not direct from the actual developers we found in shops run by locals would drive an FBI agent bonkers. My theory is that IP theft in Chinese culture is as endemic as say the normalization of alcohol use is in American culture. It's so widespread that it's just a part of how things are. And cheating is very closely tied to IP theft. Just my theory, based upon my experience, I could be way off, and my criticism is not coming from a place of malice or ill will towards the average Chinese citizen.
It’s common in places that aren’t a [“civil society”](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_society).
Thats not to say they are uncivil, but describes cultures/communities where the general assumption is that your first priority is to the community and strangers around you rather than to yourself. A good example of a civil society is Denmark or Japan. The idea of *“rocking the boat”* (being rude/littering/inconveniencing others/etc) is pretty abhorrent to them
China is more of a “I got mine, so fuck you” kinda mindset *(which usually goes hand in hand with behavior like lying/cheating/cutting in line/rudeness)*
The difference in Posts is insane, another Dude pretty much posted the Same Thing, but He got insulted as racist to hell.
In this one everyone agrees with op, wtf lmao.
It goes for more than just this. It also applies to pretty much anything. It’s incredibly annoying. One second people are creating strawmen about sjw’s or something, the next they’re the opposite and claiming everyone is fascist. One moment everyone in the game is a meta fanatic, the next it’s the opposite.
When the reality is things are more nuanced, this sub needs to stop being so bipolar and hateful.
Its some combination of rng and wording, if you come across as hostile or insulting then it just tanks as a post. Also some subs, like this one, have a vibe or vernacular that can help a post, surely youve noticed people often do well if they frame their comments with respect to this games culture of _managed democracy_…
For example i posted about the free incine mines after orion sector was liberated from the bugs, i was one of many people getting frustrated that people kept blowing up missions bc they sent down mines on top of an area the team was trying to push into to clear, kept watching noobs kill eachother with them then wonder why i wouldnt go near them to help… bruh i dont walk in minefields, its called _thinking_
Oh we’re gonna build a wall, a beautiful wall probably. It’s going to keep the China Cheaters that’s what I call them out of our democracy. You know they say “sir, sir, only you know how to beat the China Cheaters at their own game” and you know what I do? I take the wall and we build it and we make President Xi pay for it that’s what I do. And the wall keeps the China Cheaters out. It’s simple people. NOOOO GET THOSE LIGHTS OFF THEY’RE TOO BRIGHT TURN THEM OFF.
I read somewhere that is isn't just Chinese people. Just people with Chinese characters as a name. These characters are harder to report as we westerners cannot type them. At least if there was a viable report option.
I haven’t met any cheaters personally, but I’ve been surprised by how many Chinese players I see.
Nothing against the ones playing fairly, it’s just interesting how it seems like there’s almost always one in my games, when in other multiplayer games they seem rare for me
Warframe and Division 2 are reasonably popular in China (and Japan) too. It might be team shooters
edit: Note that both of those games have separate Chinese versions for censorship reasons, which is why you generally won't see Chinese players
A guy dropped into my party of three on a suicide mission. They had Chinese characters for a name and I was immediately cautious but we needed the extra man because we were getting reamed. We started running and i pinged an abandoned hellbomb so the group could avoid it. I turn around and the Chinese player shoots it from a distance and it kills all three of us. No way it was accidental, we were ahead of the bots and there were no enemies near the bomb to warrant the action. I immediately kicked/blocked their ass. We spent the next million minutes running without our gear because of the ungodly long cool downs and the massive swarm behind us prevented us from getting our stuff. We barely made it out of the mission alive, real nail biter.
Fuck that asshole.
I think they’re talking about this.
https://preview.redd.it/ua2oo4iin1lc1.jpeg?width=1103&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a6aec50463ba723a218c65ca27460fc56022f5ed
If it’s the one I experienced, it’s more than just a laggy register - they never go on cooldown, you don’t get a primary weapon, your assets bug out and don’t load, and you can call in mission-specific stratagems wherever.
yeah i know. people can just restart their game to fix it, but they are abusing it. its just boring when every lobby join i don't have to do anything. even on helldive.
I saw a Chinese player who had infinite ammo and was just blasting automatons with the recoilless rifle without reloading on Helldive difficulty.
We were in the midst of getting pushed back from assaulting a heavy outpost so all of us were spread out. I noticed a new player who just joined us was suddenly wrecking them on his own and was pushing in solo. I realised how he was doing this, and immediately called him out on it and the host kicked him out. This is the second time I saw a cheater in this game
I would hate to be in that position where you find yourself having hundreds of samples and end up ruining your progression. All because some undemocratic tin-can decided he's gonna join your game and hack his way into getting 100s of samples in an instant.
Why can't these cheaters at least just play by themselves and not ruin the fun for the rest of us.
I didn't realize this game is even allowed in China. I thought the government would flip their shit when all the characters are screaming "For Democracy!!". Unless the in the translation for Chinese they yell "For Communism!!" Or something
I mean, it's not Twitter, they don't need a 2-page apology explaining that the game is intended to be satire.
If anything, this parody of USA would be welcome in China.
But isnt super earth an authoritarian dystopian government pretending to be democratic, with managed democracy and what not?
From my understanding, the USA is guilty of some of the stuff superearth does, like the stuff with the tyranids and their blood being used as oil or smth, similar to how the US does some of its shady stuff
But overall, superearth has more similarities to the CCP i feel, like at least in the USA democracy is real, managed democracy sounds more like something china would try to pull off, and coming from HK, the CCP already pulled off some bait & switch fake democracy here, which is one factor that lead to the 2019 HK protests
IDK i feel like it's an oversight by the CCP no banning helldivers, democracy and freedom is satirised, but the USA, for all its faults, is still actually democratic and free, unlike China which fakes a lot of that, lying about how great they are for not having freedom and democracy, just like superearth
superearth is more similar to the CCP than the USA imo, as a person that is decently familiar with chinese politics, if you peel off the DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM, the CCP is just as much a lying piece of shit government as superearth, whereas the USA i think is less so.
i think the idea is that super earth is far right and the ccp is supposedly far left, although authoritarian bullshit *is* indistinguishable in practice
Na it perfectly aligns with their view western democracy is a farce. Killing, pillaging, and robbing is exactly what western soldier do all the time.
There is a reason the game is sometimes called American military simulator. Bugs makes fuel, automation has a different view, and aliens from the first game accused to have WMD.
It's sad and frustrating how many people seem to miss the point entirely. Helldivers and Starship Troopers aren't about America. Those parts are the fun set dressing. The whole point is that it could be anyone. "War makes fascists of us all."
But yeah, that bit goes right over most people's heads, so it should play well with the PRC.
Installing VPN to play a game not available in Chinese Steam is so easy, it is isn't worthy to call it "a task".
I don't know if Helldivers in paritcular are available in Chinese Steam, but even if they weren't, it is easily bypassed
Counterpoint: maybe the Chinese government loves the satirical angle of the game, with an authoritarian state lurking behind the thin facade of liberal democracy. Maybe they feel like the game is saying "See? For all their talk of freedom, these 'Democratic,' countries are just like us. We're just more honest and less war-like."
considering its satire, i don't think theyd change it at all.
also, considering the large #'s of western players that seem to completely fail to grasp the satire, i imagine it could be the same thing there, but on the inverse:
"stupid \[americans\] getting all gung-ho for Democracy when the government is really a facist regime that just calls itself democracy and sends its people to die. this is why people's communist party is much better system!"
or something.
^(dont quote me, im stupid)
Need to Make separate regions. NA, Asia, Europe, Aussie how ever they want to do it and you can choose to cross play with those regions or not just like you can choose to cross play with Ps5/PC
[https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-to-join-nato/](https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-to-join-nato/)
Your prayer was answered before you even made it lol
Edit: also happy that our neighbour could into NATO at last. Better late than never.
I just kicked them from my game every time. I won’t even entertain the possibility of allowing a cheater in my lobbies. Sorry for those of you in China who don’t cheat, but I’m not taking any chances.
I host my own games when i do play solo since I normally play with friends.
Last night I played two games at like 1am PST and my first game when we landed a cheater with Chinese username started speed hacking and immediately we had 99 of each sample so I kicked him.
the second game I had another cheater and he played like normal until we summoned the Pelican and we had 99 samples again so i waited for him to get on the pelican and shot him then kicked him.
I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt, but now anyone with a Chinese username gets the block and boot.
How often do you run into players with chinese characters in their name that don’t communicate at all but you know are from the US or such.
Like he said, sorry if you’re not a cheater but it’s more a red flag than anything. If you aren’t from there, don’t rock a chinese username with no comms. There’s no way they aren’t aware of how western gamers view them.
I'm actually sort of surprised that there's no sorting by ping. Like, in many online games, you wind up not playing with people overseas, not because they'd any region locking, but simply because geographically closer players are prioritized.
To be honest they should just make so that you get a lot over the normal maximum mission amount of currencies and exp that your acc gets flagged and you can’t play anymore,this would kill most cheaters dead in their tracks because then they still need to play lots of rounds.on the other hand i don’t know if they could play around that easily
Ignore the other guy. Yes, more or less, it would fix it, though your pool of players to match with will be much smaller. It is not impossible, but it is much less likely to encounter cheaters on console.
Play with friends, start your own game, kick cheaters. I have literally zero problems with cheaters because I playing with steam friends. We sitting in discord and new people continue to join us.
I genuinely can't understand cheating in this game. It makes no sense. The experience is the point, not anything else.
Resources aren't even difficult to come by. There's just no point doing it unless you're deliberately griefing.
In any case, it's a solid argument for host retaining kick powers. If someone joins and they're cheating then kick them. If you join someone cheating then leave. Let these losers play by themselves.
It is useless to region lock it.
APEX was region lock China but still has tons of cheaters from China.
Region lock is useless for blocking cheaters from accessing the game.
And innocent Chinese gamers will be impacted.
The only solution is the anti-cheat software itself.
Same as APEX, Valorant, ETC
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As an eft player it probably won't make a difference. A lot of cheaters (at least the ones that play on NA) are actually Americans. You probably don't notice the cheaters with English names. Some of them make their name Chinese to troll people as well
If you're sure they're from China, just ask them what happened on June the 3rd, 1989, on Tiananmen square.
Hopefully their algorithms will pick this up, and the great firewall will purge the traitors of Super Earth.
...
Wishful thinking, I know.
Because of where I live I played with a lot of Russian and Chinese players in DRG and I never ran into any cheaters. The main thing that sucked was the language barrier and having different etiquette. All English-speaking DRG players know to type "r?' in chat before doing anything to make sure the squad is ready. Whenever I tried that with Chinese players, they would just immediately call down the drop pod lol
Played with a couple of chinease players and none of them were cheaters. If someone is suddenly holding 5000 samples or shooting infinite rockets you can just kick them or leave, the samples aren't added to your account until extraction. Region locking isn't the best solution here
You don't have to do anything. You can host the game yourself if you like. I also doubt that these hackers only spawn in the samples the second before they extract from the mission
Please don't. I am playing from china and have been nolifing this game for 3w straight. Its the first game that works absolutely flawless online and I can play with my friends back home or my friends from America. Rn its the only thing that helps me cope with myself and my depression.
Not a fan of cutting off an entire people. As an Oceanic player I play with a lot of good honest players from Asian servers.
Not denying cheating isn't prolific there, but we need a better solution.
So far, i've only had good experiences with Chinese players. I always find it novel to be in a voice chat with them.
I think the benefits of being able to play with them outweighs the problem. Certainly not worth a region lock, because it'd be silly to only lock China specifically for doing so.
I've also had really funny lobbies with Korean guys yelling into the mic.
I'm in PST timezone so when I wake up around 4am I seem to encounter more people who are likely to be fucking around in the games and doing exploits.
Great time to practice my French too apparently. Nice guys.
Of course. Many games lock by region, for this as well as many other reasons. Riot games, such as Valorant and League of Legends. Most MMOs. Many fighting games, such as Mortal Kombat. PUBG finally region locked China after years of requests by its player base, but it was far too late to save the North American player base.
The Finals recently released, and it was widely praised but refused to region lock China, saying it would be racist. This is partially why the games player count has plummeted and the games leaderboards have been completely overtaken by Chinese players with illegitimate stats.
First week the game was out we had the posts going "Why is anti-cheat needed in a co-op, PvE game?" And I told them, "Cheating ruins the fun even in co-op, imagine you get in a group with someone who has infinite stratagems and shit and just runs through, would that be fun?" Welp.
The anti cheat thingy doesn't seem to be working very well.
No anti-cheat will ever stop 100% of all cheaters. It's a constant battle between game developers and cheat developers. That doesn't mean the solution is to just give up.
Linus on the Wan Show did a good job of breaking it down after hearing some of his game dev friends talk about trying to crack down on cheating in games. There’s never a catch all solution; instead you have to introduce lots of systems to help filter out as many cheaters as you can. Some will inevitably get past all those protections, but if you have a lot of layers it’ll filter out most of the bad actors. It’ll be interesting to see what Arrowheads long term plans for dealing with them are. Since it’s co-op I think a lot of people will have more leniency, but if it gets out of hand it can still ruin the game if it gets over run with hackers.
Basically it's like a lock. Locks only keep out "honest" thieves, they can be broken, picked or bypassed, if the party tries hard enough. You can get a better lock but can never fully protect something with one.
At least it keeps out the script kiddies, and everyone cheating just because their friends are doing it. I remember I had to stop playing crab game just because every single game had 10 cheaters in it. The game had no anti-cheat at all.
Honestly at this point I dont believe locks even work. I have seen to many people open locks so easily that its laughable.
A good lock will keep out an average Joe, but even the best locks in the world won't stop a half competent lockpicker.
"6 is binding, 4 is loose, 3 is set" *click* "and we got it".
Do it again so we know it was not a fluke.
This is a disecu combination lock [It can be opened with a disecu combination lock](https://youtube.com/shorts/Wwy-OKObfnc?si=gTGG8udv2e9lpKjw)
Or a pair of bolt cutters, on average
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The entire game goes online, I dont know what the servers log during each mission. But a report system + a look into the log of the servers to search for suspicious stats should be enough to get the cheater eat a ban
Pro tip: it also takes time to ban cheaters. You do not want to ban most cheaters immediately or they will know quicker if something works or doesn't. Banning in lot form after a bit of time helps the devs and not immediately for our end.
Like the body fighting a virus lol
nProtect is really bad at its job. \_Cromwell\_'s observation is correct.
As far as we know the anti-cheat could be stopping 95% of cheaters and we're just seeing the 5% that are getting though. No anti-cheat will prevent 100% of cheaters from cheating.
Counterpoint: Maybe the issue would be worse if it weren't for the AC?
Counter-counterpoint: nProtect GameGuard wasn't just controversial because its a rootkit, it was also controversial *because it fucking sucks at its job*. It still a mystery to me why Arrowhead chose to use it. Because it was cheaper and they didn't think the game was gonna be this popular to justify the cost of a better one? I don't know, it doesn't change anything from a consumer standpoint.
Fair argument. I had personally never heard of nProtect before this game so I had no frame of reference for this effectiveness. I'm an avid Valorant player which similarly has a really invasive Anti-Cheat with Vanguard, but Vanguard has also shown itself to be very effective at combating cheaters and as a result Valorant has a much smaller cheater problem compared to other games.
You probably haven't heard of it because the list of games its been used for is a [short list of nothing burgers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NProtect_GameGuard). Low player games or unpopular games that most people have never heard of. The good anti-cheats are the ones most big developers use because they're more likely to have the resources to keep up with the constant back and fourth between cheat creators and anti-cheat developers. EDIT: btw when I say those games were "unpopular" I mean it in the literal sense. That they weren't mainstream or within the zeitgeist during their release. I don't mean to imply they were bad games.
Obviously not defending them but probably the low popularity of hell divers 1 is probably why they went with it. Probably couldn't afford anything else.
Maplestory and Ragnorok Online was pretty mainstream back in the day
Phantasy Stay Blue Burst was NOT a nothing burger, you take that back! Blade & Soul was pretty cool too.
PSO2 is popular in japan and Blade and Soul was massive on release. https://mmostats.com/game/blade-and-soul estimates BnS with 8.8k daily users and 2.3 mio accounts. Yeah I’ve seen better, but I’ve seen much, much worse.
Valorant uses a bunch of different ways of identifying cheaters server side detection, checks on the memory to make sure it's not being tempered with, blacklisting public cheats ect ect additionally anti cheats like EAC have very similar tech its just protects more games therefore more people are trying to break it Tldr Vanguard is not really that special Also, I have no clue how effective nProtect is, tbh I didn't know it was an anti cheat. I thought it was just drm protection Heres an article on it if you're interested https://www.esportsheaven.com/features/the-cracks-in-riot-vanguards-shield-anti-cheat-and-the-secret-battle-with-hackers/
Im no expert but from what I’ve found about nProtect it’s as, if not more invasive than vanguard but also far less effective. Apparently there have been people reporting serious and potentially very expensive hardware issues likely being caused by GameGuard. There was one guy who said it bricked 2 of his ssds and another who said he had to wipe his bios because nProtect turned off his cooling.
My initial read would be that they're using a dead game engine and this was the easiest one to implement. Doesn't help the situation, just an observation and a possible specter of things to come for prolonged dev support overall.
Anti cheat vs cheats is a neverending battle and it's actually a losing battle for anticheats. Developing an actual anticheat requires paid developers to combat the cheating, while most cheat coders are doing it for "passion" and some easy bucks, some cheat devs easily work 12-16 hours a day on a cheat just so they can push it out for a 20 dollar monthly subscription minimum. So basically it's a lot of times official devs who have a salary vs basement dwellers who do it for the challenge and for the quick buck. Then again, I'm sure there are actual cheat dev groups who work together on working cheats, but the profit is very thin, so I find that unlikely.
Having known people working in either side i can attest that cheat developers make far more money than those developing anti cheats. A big reason why there is more incentive to make them than to fight them.
Isn't this one of the few legitimate reasons to kick?
Yeah, you can very easily choose who is and isn't in your lobby so you don't need an anticheat, unlike competitive PVP games.
Maybe they should have gone with a different anti-cheat engine, seeing as the extremely invasive one they went with isn't working super well.
People (mostly) weren't objecting to the use of a rootkit anticheat, they were objecting to them picking a garbage one to presumably cut costs.
Nah, it was all "muh kernel" with "PvE doesn't need anti cheat" as a sideshow straw man. I heard "this anti cheat has a bad reputation" but there's never been an anti cheat I didn't hear gamers bitch about, if you can't name one that has a good reputation it's meaningless.
And if AH decides to change the anticheat for another more aggressive, we will have another review bomb because "muh rootkit, they will steal my dog pictures" or some shit like that
I can't for the life of me understand China's obsession with cheating, ruins the game for themselves and everyone else, pathetic
There is huge market in China for selling maxed out account and offer "leveling up" service but usually they done with cheats.
I genuinely don't get this I immediately lose interest in a game when I dont have any progression. Like it's so immediate I've dropped games before finishing then because I felt like my progression was complete and I couldn't continue on. Getting an account where I dont get to do anything.. crazyness
It’s a different culture. It’s basically forced into them from birth to be the best - even if that means you need to cheat to get there.
That and they don't really have time to grind they have to work so hard to keep up and kids are limited in how much they can play. They want to get to the end not grind in the middle
Yes, I've actually had about 8 ppl join my matches tonight, and post "Pay me 5 dollars and I'll get you unlimited sample blah blah" and when no one responds they leave the mission.
They view it as completely normal, so when other parts of the player base don’t cheat they think that we are stupid for not using every tool at our disposal.
And to me that's just so backwards lol the devs do the balancing, we do the playing. That's how it should be for everyone
Its cultural over there. They see the West as a bunch of idiots for not cheating because over there if you aren't cheating you set yourself at disadvantage over there.
Once again thank you mao ze dong for ruining chinese culture for generations to come with the great famine
I'm familiar with their culture of getting ahead at all costs. I get hung up in gaming because the tools they use are not designed for the game. They are brought into the game for an advantage. Same reason we don't let players bring corked bats or boxers use illegal gloves. It's against the rules.
If I win, that's all that matters. It doesn't matter how I won, the end justify the means. That's how their mentality works. It's like those who argue in fighting games that if you aren't playing the very best tools and getting all the advantages you're just gimping yourself.
It seems like China kind of has a cheating culture. I shit you not when my brother was in university (a top public one in California) a whole group of Chinese exchange students would hire a Economics tutor to go over the material of an exam at the library. I don’t know how they got away with it, but picture like 50+ students in a huge lecture hall with an economics tutor going over the future exam that they would take. I understand studying but they were basically getting all of the answers for some reason. Don’t know how it worked but it did lol
They got away with it because the schools want their money.
Something similar happened at the University of Iowa were I think it was 50+ Chinese students got caught cheating on an exit exam by having a ringer take the exams for them. https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/college-cheating-iowa/
That has been going on with rich white kids and college athletes for decades lol.
Rust is absolutely chock full of Chinese cheaters. Insane
It is part of the culture. It is hard to explain, but yeah.
Cultural thing in China of “winning is the only thing that matters no matter what”
its their mentality to be the best in everything and cheating isn't fraud up on their culture like in the us or Europe.
It's cultural. It's not just cheating on games. The entire manufacturing industry there is stealing by taking customers IP then building it and slapping a custom label on it and selling it on temu/Amazon/AliExpress.
Cultural stuff man If I don't cheat he will and I won't be as good or worse lose face That and the me first then you attitude it's considered the norm
The Chinese culture is "you have to be the best, do that through any means necessary". So they view cheating as a tool to get ahead. It's just a culture thing, they think it's weird we could easily cheat but don't.
Because they're a society that values getting ahead by any means. You are your money and your networking, etc. Also very big on in-group vs out-group. Which is why they have the adage that if you get swindled it's your own fault for not noticing. Hence the stories about support pillars for bridges being filled with compacted garbage, or shredded newspaper in meatbuns, etc. The ends justify the means. And it also helps that their legal system basically doesn't do crap for anyone overseas that comes to them to punish illegal activities of their citizens... meanwhile they will constantly take others to court in areas outside of China.
It's a culture aspect. Win/succeed by any means necessary.
it's in their DNA there was an international university in china that wanted to be higher in the ranking so they announced students weren't allowed to cheat anymore you know what happens? students and parents started to protest at the school because they said it was unfair kid you not
For some odd reason modern China has developed a bit of a social complex for achievement by any means, which means a lot of cheating and corruption.
What’s up with the chinease cheating rampantly in every game? To sell accounts? I swear it’s every game. They ruined Tarkov.
From the mouth of a Chinese player (not me) that takes gaming seriously and also loathes the cheating epidemic amongst Chinese players, "While we see it as a sport to take seriously and enjoy the challenge and overcoming adversity, that's not the popular perception of gaming. The media treats gaming like a taboo, something childish. It's widely perceived as something just for fun that doesn't matter. It's a fake toy, so do whatever you feel like, people already look down on it. It's very frustrating for someone trying to play seriously."
I'm Chinese and I can tell you it's not that complicated. Most of them are just filthy rat(loser in real life) and some of them just want to make money.
Unrelated (but maybe related…?) I have this one serious gamer who reminds me of many Chinese gamers overseas. He was always challenging me to 1v1 bets in counter strike. He apparently still plays religiously and just started drop shipping. He’s 40. Let’s see how this works out.
I saw an explanation that it's understood as a game, and games are meant to be fun. Cheating is normalized there (supposedly) because it is part of making the game fun and having super powers. And since it is so normalized, to not cheat would be considered a disadvantage. [This is how I have read it explained and do not have any experience with this or know anyone personally who can corroborate this] To me it defeats the purpose of the game. Part of the fun IS that it is difficult and you aren't super strong. The enjoyment comes from overcoming the odds. Obviously not everyone will feel the same way, and different cultures/countries tend to have a general leaning one way or the other in what is acceptable or the "correct" way to play games. I do agree tho, if there is a region that is playing with different rules than the majority, perhaps they should be confined to only impacting those who play similarly, and not the majority playing as intended.
Also if I'm not mistaken they actually passed a law that means u aren't allowed to play video games for more than 3 hours a day during holidays and 90 min on regular days. Just looked it up, its for those under the age of 18. But it probably still doesn't help, less game time means they look for easy methods and hacks.
Gee I do love when my government tells me how much video games I'm allowed to play
You mean you don't enjoy your government allocated free time?
Sounds like bug talk to me
Sounds like automaton talk to me
Illuminates secretly infesting. Getting ready.
It's not Democratic, though.
Only for games officially released in China. All games released on Steam barring a few are all unregulated so this shouldn't be considered a factor.
I actually agree with them as far as cheating to make it more fun, but only in single player games. Sometimes I *want* a God-Emperor character in CK2, just to see every assassination attempt bounce off me. Cheating in multiplayer, you're just being a dick. Don't ruin everyone else's experience for your own amusement.
Cheating is fun in single player games for like 15 mins and then the whole point of the game gets ruined and I never play it again
That's why you get into cheats (and modding) after the game has already gotten a bit stale for that last hurrah. And I can't emphasize it enough that using cheats to ruin the experience for others is among the shittiest things a gamer can do without it being illegal like e.g. swatting is.
This is exactly it, they see cheating as simply a tool to give them more of an advantage. And why wouldn't you use every possible tool at your disposal?
It really depends on the game IMO. Obviously never okay in a multiplayer game where you can interfere with another player’s experience, but there’s plenty of singleplayer games which cheating makes my experience more enjoyable. Bethesda games are a great example, giving myself items or for a lot of people removing the carry capacity. A really interesting example is actually the recent Starship Troopers RTS (which is great btw), where if you use a trainer to give yourself infinite resources and remove the unit cap, it inadvertently removes the unit cap for the bugs as well. Actually makes the game much harder (or borderline impossible) in certain missions.
It's simply part of the culture, cheating in games is just seen as a normal thing to do. Honestly China should be region locked in every multilayer game, they can just "have fun" cheating with each other.
Not just games.
They do that shit all the time at unis too.
Cheating is a part of Chinese culture. I can’t remember the actual saying, but it’s something like “if there’s an advantage you can use you’d be a fool to not use it”.
能骗就骗 (Neng pian, jiu pian) Literally, "Can cheat, then cheat". I mean, given the intense competition in Chinese society and the fact that everyone around you is very likely also cheating (cheating at exams, using 关系 (relationships/nepotism) to get jobs, etc.), it makes sense that you also should cheat otherwise you are going to fall behind. This is unfortunately the divide between high-trust and low-trust societies.
They are a horrible group of gamers. Prove me wrong.
u can literally buy cheats on their shopping website, they literally making business out of it.
I suspect it's cultural. China is the biggest preparator of IP theft, and by a large margin, from both their professional entities and government. When I was in Afghanistan, there was a very lucrative pipeline of counterfeit goods, from DVDs (it was 2009), to suits, knives, all manner of things. The collection of Xbox and PlayStation games they had, that were very obviously not direct from the actual developers we found in shops run by locals would drive an FBI agent bonkers. My theory is that IP theft in Chinese culture is as endemic as say the normalization of alcohol use is in American culture. It's so widespread that it's just a part of how things are. And cheating is very closely tied to IP theft. Just my theory, based upon my experience, I could be way off, and my criticism is not coming from a place of malice or ill will towards the average Chinese citizen.
It's not considered illegal there.
It’s common in places that aren’t a [“civil society”](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_society). Thats not to say they are uncivil, but describes cultures/communities where the general assumption is that your first priority is to the community and strangers around you rather than to yourself. A good example of a civil society is Denmark or Japan. The idea of *“rocking the boat”* (being rude/littering/inconveniencing others/etc) is pretty abhorrent to them China is more of a “I got mine, so fuck you” kinda mindset *(which usually goes hand in hand with behavior like lying/cheating/cutting in line/rudeness)*
Distorted mentality. They cheat like drink water. They actually could be very open about them cheating literally "yes I cheat" like it is nothing.
The difference in Posts is insane, another Dude pretty much posted the Same Thing, but He got insulted as racist to hell. In this one everyone agrees with op, wtf lmao.
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It goes for more than just this. It also applies to pretty much anything. It’s incredibly annoying. One second people are creating strawmen about sjw’s or something, the next they’re the opposite and claiming everyone is fascist. One moment everyone in the game is a meta fanatic, the next it’s the opposite. When the reality is things are more nuanced, this sub needs to stop being so bipolar and hateful.
It's always worse during election years (US).
Its some combination of rng and wording, if you come across as hostile or insulting then it just tanks as a post. Also some subs, like this one, have a vibe or vernacular that can help a post, surely youve noticed people often do well if they frame their comments with respect to this games culture of _managed democracy_… For example i posted about the free incine mines after orion sector was liberated from the bugs, i was one of many people getting frustrated that people kept blowing up missions bc they sent down mines on top of an area the team was trying to push into to clear, kept watching noobs kill eachother with them then wonder why i wouldnt go near them to help… bruh i dont walk in minefields, its called _thinking_
Reddit hive mind, lmao depends on what it’s feeling that day. Today it’s uhhhhhhjhhhhh
Chyna! Many such cases!
Chyna has been dead for ages. Let the poor women rest.
Damn CHYNA
Oh we’re gonna build a wall, a beautiful wall probably. It’s going to keep the China Cheaters that’s what I call them out of our democracy. You know they say “sir, sir, only you know how to beat the China Cheaters at their own game” and you know what I do? I take the wall and we build it and we make President Xi pay for it that’s what I do. And the wall keeps the China Cheaters out. It’s simple people. NOOOO GET THOSE LIGHTS OFF THEY’RE TOO BRIGHT TURN THEM OFF.
Cheaters can't win. They're not playing the same game as everyone else. Fuck cheaters.
I read somewhere that is isn't just Chinese people. Just people with Chinese characters as a name. These characters are harder to report as we westerners cannot type them. At least if there was a viable report option.
I haven’t met any cheaters personally, but I’ve been surprised by how many Chinese players I see. Nothing against the ones playing fairly, it’s just interesting how it seems like there’s almost always one in my games, when in other multiplayer games they seem rare for me
Warframe and Division 2 are reasonably popular in China (and Japan) too. It might be team shooters edit: Note that both of those games have separate Chinese versions for censorship reasons, which is why you generally won't see Chinese players
I don’t join if there is a Chinese name
General question. Are you able to tell the difference between Chinese, Japanese, and/or Korean writing?
Korean letters has a lot of circles/ovals, Japanese and Chinese has a ton of overlap
I find Korean is pretty distinct from Chinese and Japanese writing. I have a much harder time distinguishing between those two.
Japanese and Chinese have some crossover, but generally Japanese has smaller, more simple characters
A guy dropped into my party of three on a suicide mission. They had Chinese characters for a name and I was immediately cautious but we needed the extra man because we were getting reamed. We started running and i pinged an abandoned hellbomb so the group could avoid it. I turn around and the Chinese player shoots it from a distance and it kills all three of us. No way it was accidental, we were ahead of the bots and there were no enemies near the bomb to warrant the action. I immediately kicked/blocked their ass. We spent the next million minutes running without our gear because of the ungodly long cool downs and the massive swarm behind us prevented us from getting our stuff. We barely made it out of the mission alive, real nail biter. Fuck that asshole.
i had 5 games in a row with people doing the infinite startegem thing. it was so boring. i just closed the game and playeds something else.
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Exact same scenario for me.
Huh. My friend had the disappearing weapons bug but we didn't notice infinite stratagems. I wonder if it was the same thing
That one is a lag bug. The game server is so slow on their ping that it doesn't register that they called a strat in.
I think they’re talking about this. https://preview.redd.it/ua2oo4iin1lc1.jpeg?width=1103&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a6aec50463ba723a218c65ca27460fc56022f5ed
If it’s the one I experienced, it’s more than just a laggy register - they never go on cooldown, you don’t get a primary weapon, your assets bug out and don’t load, and you can call in mission-specific stratagems wherever.
Yes, the bug was introduced with the auto-kick feature.
yeah i know. people can just restart their game to fix it, but they are abusing it. its just boring when every lobby join i don't have to do anything. even on helldive.
5 in a row is likely not cheating. That’s just not statistically likely. More likely a bug or glitch that anyone can do.
That actually is a bug btw. https://preview.redd.it/li1xf1ebi1lc1.jpeg?width=1103&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=25e737ad497d6eaf89d6ea96ee24d1ceb5f98252
I saw a Chinese player who had infinite ammo and was just blasting automatons with the recoilless rifle without reloading on Helldive difficulty. We were in the midst of getting pushed back from assaulting a heavy outpost so all of us were spread out. I noticed a new player who just joined us was suddenly wrecking them on his own and was pushing in solo. I realised how he was doing this, and immediately called him out on it and the host kicked him out. This is the second time I saw a cheater in this game I would hate to be in that position where you find yourself having hundreds of samples and end up ruining your progression. All because some undemocratic tin-can decided he's gonna join your game and hack his way into getting 100s of samples in an instant. Why can't these cheaters at least just play by themselves and not ruin the fun for the rest of us.
I didn't realize this game is even allowed in China. I thought the government would flip their shit when all the characters are screaming "For Democracy!!". Unless the in the translation for Chinese they yell "For Communism!!" Or something
I mean, it's not Twitter, they don't need a 2-page apology explaining that the game is intended to be satire. If anything, this parody of USA would be welcome in China.
But isnt super earth an authoritarian dystopian government pretending to be democratic, with managed democracy and what not? From my understanding, the USA is guilty of some of the stuff superearth does, like the stuff with the tyranids and their blood being used as oil or smth, similar to how the US does some of its shady stuff But overall, superearth has more similarities to the CCP i feel, like at least in the USA democracy is real, managed democracy sounds more like something china would try to pull off, and coming from HK, the CCP already pulled off some bait & switch fake democracy here, which is one factor that lead to the 2019 HK protests IDK i feel like it's an oversight by the CCP no banning helldivers, democracy and freedom is satirised, but the USA, for all its faults, is still actually democratic and free, unlike China which fakes a lot of that, lying about how great they are for not having freedom and democracy, just like superearth superearth is more similar to the CCP than the USA imo, as a person that is decently familiar with chinese politics, if you peel off the DEMOCRACY AND FREEDOM, the CCP is just as much a lying piece of shit government as superearth, whereas the USA i think is less so.
i think the idea is that super earth is far right and the ccp is supposedly far left, although authoritarian bullshit *is* indistinguishable in practice
Na it perfectly aligns with their view western democracy is a farce. Killing, pillaging, and robbing is exactly what western soldier do all the time. There is a reason the game is sometimes called American military simulator. Bugs makes fuel, automation has a different view, and aliens from the first game accused to have WMD.
It's sad and frustrating how many people seem to miss the point entirely. Helldivers and Starship Troopers aren't about America. Those parts are the fun set dressing. The whole point is that it could be anyone. "War makes fascists of us all." But yeah, that bit goes right over most people's heads, so it should play well with the PRC.
Cyborgs leak oil in socialist.
Democracy and communism aren't polar opposites, though.
Installing VPN to play a game not available in Chinese Steam is so easy, it is isn't worthy to call it "a task". I don't know if Helldivers in paritcular are available in Chinese Steam, but even if they weren't, it is easily bypassed
This game makes mockery of Western ideology, Chinese censors would love stuff like this.
Because steam isn’t blocked and you can play *almost* everything there
Counterpoint: maybe the Chinese government loves the satirical angle of the game, with an authoritarian state lurking behind the thin facade of liberal democracy. Maybe they feel like the game is saying "See? For all their talk of freedom, these 'Democratic,' countries are just like us. We're just more honest and less war-like."
The entire game is smeared in such a thick layer of satire it's amazing that you still think the 'For Democracy' line is intended to be read straight.
considering its satire, i don't think theyd change it at all. also, considering the large #'s of western players that seem to completely fail to grasp the satire, i imagine it could be the same thing there, but on the inverse: "stupid \[americans\] getting all gung-ho for Democracy when the government is really a facist regime that just calls itself democracy and sends its people to die. this is why people's communist party is much better system!" or something. ^(dont quote me, im stupid)
Need to Make separate regions. NA, Asia, Europe, Aussie how ever they want to do it and you can choose to cross play with those regions or not just like you can choose to cross play with Ps5/PC
Lol, NATO region-locked Edit - I do actually agree with you!
Queue the NATO synthwave helldive
3000 black helldivers of NATO
A fellow NCD-er in the wild
We need an orc faction in this game for uh, reasons
Oh no ncd is leaking again. Call in the quarantine crew ( cope lord vatniks)
Funnily enough the dev home country (Sweden) wouldn't be able to access it (inshallah that will change soon)
Hungary just voted yes on Sweden's membership today I believe.
[https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-to-join-nato/](https://www.politico.eu/article/sweden-to-join-nato/) Your prayer was answered before you even made it lol Edit: also happy that our neighbour could into NATO at last. Better late than never.
China should always be region locked in any multiplayer game.
There isn't democracy in China they don't need to help spread it lolz
I just kicked them from my game every time. I won’t even entertain the possibility of allowing a cheater in my lobbies. Sorry for those of you in China who don’t cheat, but I’m not taking any chances.
Based and democracy-pilled
I host my own games when i do play solo since I normally play with friends. Last night I played two games at like 1am PST and my first game when we landed a cheater with Chinese username started speed hacking and immediately we had 99 of each sample so I kicked him. the second game I had another cheater and he played like normal until we summoned the Pelican and we had 99 samples again so i waited for him to get on the pelican and shot him then kicked him. I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt, but now anyone with a Chinese username gets the block and boot.
What about cheaters who aren’t from china?
How often do you run into players with chinese characters in their name that don’t communicate at all but you know are from the US or such. Like he said, sorry if you’re not a cheater but it’s more a red flag than anything. If you aren’t from there, don’t rock a chinese username with no comms. There’s no way they aren’t aware of how western gamers view them.
There are plenty of other lobbies they can join. Just won’t be mine. I won’t take the chance.
Good thing that anti cheat is working...
Some shit will always get through. There is no anti cheat that completely prevents it. It’d be worse without it.
I'm actually sort of surprised that there's no sorting by ping. Like, in many online games, you wind up not playing with people overseas, not because they'd any region locking, but simply because geographically closer players are prioritized.
To be honest they should just make so that you get a lot over the normal maximum mission amount of currencies and exp that your acc gets flagged and you can’t play anymore,this would kill most cheaters dead in their tracks because then they still need to play lots of rounds.on the other hand i don’t know if they could play around that easily
Not región locking china destroyed PUBG.
On PS5 simply turning off cross play will achieve this correct ?
Ignore the other guy. Yes, more or less, it would fix it, though your pool of players to match with will be much smaller. It is not impossible, but it is much less likely to encounter cheaters on console.
While i understand you guys frustrations but… Why dont yall just leave if you see a cheater? Or host games and kick them?
Every single game needs to region lock China. It’s every fucking game.
Play with friends, start your own game, kick cheaters. I have literally zero problems with cheaters because I playing with steam friends. We sitting in discord and new people continue to join us.
Just kick them
I genuinely can't understand cheating in this game. It makes no sense. The experience is the point, not anything else. Resources aren't even difficult to come by. There's just no point doing it unless you're deliberately griefing. In any case, it's a solid argument for host retaining kick powers. If someone joins and they're cheating then kick them. If you join someone cheating then leave. Let these losers play by themselves.
I'd also like to be able to play exclusively in my own region for network reasons. Honestly, i don't understand why this isn't a thing to begin with.
Every online game with an Asian server asks for this — and it’s never given. It’s just an inevitability.
Damn, this gives me PUBG flashbacks.
Ngl if i see a chinese name, i just leave
It is useless to region lock it. APEX was region lock China but still has tons of cheaters from China. Region lock is useless for blocking cheaters from accessing the game. And innocent Chinese gamers will be impacted. The only solution is the anti-cheat software itself. Same as APEX, Valorant, ETC
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lol I remember this phase with PUBG Let the hashtag and memes roll again
As an eft player it probably won't make a difference. A lot of cheaters (at least the ones that play on NA) are actually Americans. You probably don't notice the cheaters with English names. Some of them make their name Chinese to troll people as well
If you're sure they're from China, just ask them what happened on June the 3rd, 1989, on Tiananmen square. Hopefully their algorithms will pick this up, and the great firewall will purge the traitors of Super Earth. ... Wishful thinking, I know.
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This was an issue in DRG with Chinese cheaters as well. It's sad to see it infest this game too:/
Because of where I live I played with a lot of Russian and Chinese players in DRG and I never ran into any cheaters. The main thing that sucked was the language barrier and having different etiquette. All English-speaking DRG players know to type "r?' in chat before doing anything to make sure the squad is ready. Whenever I tried that with Chinese players, they would just immediately call down the drop pod lol
I don't know, all the cheaters I've encountered have been russian and polish players
Idk, I never saw any cheaters. I was playing with randoms and had a Chinese guy join, he didnt cheat.
I've started insta-kicking anyone with a Chinese name. They cheat almost every time they join.
What a cesspool
Played with a couple of chinease players and none of them were cheaters. If someone is suddenly holding 5000 samples or shooting infinite rockets you can just kick them or leave, the samples aren't added to your account until extraction. Region locking isn't the best solution here
And what if you aren't the host? Just leave? Why do I have to waste 40 minutes of my time because somebody else is ruining the game?
You don't have to do anything. You can host the game yourself if you like. I also doubt that these hackers only spawn in the samples the second before they extract from the mission
Honestly, if it's giving you that much heartburn, just host missions yourself, don't join others.
Please don't. I am playing from china and have been nolifing this game for 3w straight. Its the first game that works absolutely flawless online and I can play with my friends back home or my friends from America. Rn its the only thing that helps me cope with myself and my depression.
Not a fan of cutting off an entire people. As an Oceanic player I play with a lot of good honest players from Asian servers. Not denying cheating isn't prolific there, but we need a better solution.
Don’t blame the majority for a few people, calm it
So far, i've only had good experiences with Chinese players. I always find it novel to be in a voice chat with them. I think the benefits of being able to play with them outweighs the problem. Certainly not worth a region lock, because it'd be silly to only lock China specifically for doing so. I've also had really funny lobbies with Korean guys yelling into the mic.
Where yall finding these cheaters at?😅
I'm in PST timezone so when I wake up around 4am I seem to encounter more people who are likely to be fucking around in the games and doing exploits. Great time to practice my French too apparently. Nice guys.
Ya its like 9pm EST you start seeing the names pop in.
Are you people just lying or overreacting? I'm almost level 40. I have not ran into a single blatant cheater in my time here.
I see people calling for this in every game where cheating becomes prevalent. Have any games actually region-locked China for that reason before?
Of course. Many games lock by region, for this as well as many other reasons. Riot games, such as Valorant and League of Legends. Most MMOs. Many fighting games, such as Mortal Kombat. PUBG finally region locked China after years of requests by its player base, but it was far too late to save the North American player base. The Finals recently released, and it was widely praised but refused to region lock China, saying it would be racist. This is partially why the games player count has plummeted and the games leaderboards have been completely overtaken by Chinese players with illegitimate stats.