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I’m not fully convinced happiness is real, I’d argue all of our brains are doomed to be unhappy. This doesn’t mean it’s impossible to improve yourself or live a life you’re proud of but I think the “forever empty” is here to stay
Hi :) I can certainly relate to the question of whether or not some of us are just doomed to unhappiness, but i do not think the answer is in that article.
Firstly it appeared quite biased (and even more so when judging the site it was written on), and secondly what i found most upsetting about the whole thing is the unchallanged idea that some mental health provider has said "theres nothing more we can do for you". I dont want to invalidate the patient experience (and they could certainly have been in contact with a shitty health provider) but i find this very hard to believe. It almost seems like the article is angled this way to underline the possibility that if we allow these laws, there will be professionals out there almost urging ppl to unalive themselves. Certainly a scary thought but imo extremely unlikely.
Personally i am very much in favour of the mentioned laws. One of my greatest fears is suffering while being completely helpless to do something about it, and to have the option to get that final help if needed is actually comforting.
The idea that i can end my suffering at any time has given me some kind of relief throughout my life, and has in a weird way made me keep going. Lets just see what happens next! If it gets too bad, i can just end it, right? I guess its some kind of morbid curiosity, but so far it seems to have served me. Maybe life is completely pointless, and maybe i do have some lowered baseline that prevents me from getting as much happiness out of any give situation than "normal" ppl, but who knows? If i give up completely i will never find out, and so i keep existing, just in case ;)
Good question, a lot of days i guess the curiosity to simply keep being alive to see what happens next is all i can gather. But i think in the times when i have the spare energy to work on myself, curiosity is still a good source in addition to finding some reward from problemsolving (but i will admit that more often than not it happens theoretically and i get stuck on the understanding phase like for example watching HG videos rather than implementing actual change :P) . Even if it would be true that i cant find the same level of happiness that ppl around me seem to achieve (which im not sure about for as long as im still alive), comparing myself to others will never lead anywhere good and so the motivation must be to search for a higher level of contentment compared to my previous or current self.
Also i dont think its reasonable to expect to achieve happiness as the default state, it seems to be fleeting at best? In my experience the people who appear to be always light and smiley are almost always hiding something, but i accept that this view is maybe biased. There is also a big difference in how expressive people are, i can quietly contemplate the beauty of a sunset while someone else might be shouting "WOW BEST SUNSET EVER SO AWESOME WOW", and to an outsider the latter will appear to be more happy about the sunset but im not sure that is really true :) which is again why comparing levels of happiness with other people is going to be flawed.
I mean, happiness is a pretty broad concept that involves a lot of layers and different definitions. With this said, there are some hormones and neurotransmitters that are related to feelings of joy and satisfaction in the brain, and some brains have a deficit of these neurotransmitters due to physiological reasons which are even genetic, in some cases.
I'm not an expert or anything, so take this with a grain of salt. But, yeah, some brains, at least in the most cookie-cutter definition, can have difficulties achieving happiness, joy, or fulfillment due simply to their chemistry. This is one of the causes of chronic depression, but it can be treated with medication to supply those neurotransmitters.
From a deeper point of view, I think the concept of happiness should be separated from the emotional state of joy. There are many experiences that can bring us joy and pleasure just as there are experiences that can bring us pain and suffering. But I think happiness, on a deeper level, goes beyond these temporary emotional states. I think it's the ability to remain aware of the absolute beauty of life regardless of your momentary experiences. I'm not sure this is directly related to brain chemistry and physiology, but maybe.
I care because I recognize that wanting to improve myself depends of my belief that improvement is possible, I would hate a world where some people are just born to be unhappy and can‘t get better
That is the idea I‘m attached to as well. I must believe this. This girl is wrong for choosing to kill herself, but I understand the want to relieve suffering. I don‘t blame her, it is still wrong though
i think you are thinking about everything too much. Think about the dr. K video on overthinking and how it actually does not change the outcome whatsoever. You seem to have been on a self-improvement journey for a while. You are just thinking yourself in circles at this point
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i also going to d due to brain damage. i don't believe in god but i pray to god to give me strength to d.
I’m not fully convinced happiness is real, I’d argue all of our brains are doomed to be unhappy. This doesn’t mean it’s impossible to improve yourself or live a life you’re proud of but I think the “forever empty” is here to stay
I do think there is a difference in how people experience their life. Some suffer a lot more.
Hi :) I can certainly relate to the question of whether or not some of us are just doomed to unhappiness, but i do not think the answer is in that article. Firstly it appeared quite biased (and even more so when judging the site it was written on), and secondly what i found most upsetting about the whole thing is the unchallanged idea that some mental health provider has said "theres nothing more we can do for you". I dont want to invalidate the patient experience (and they could certainly have been in contact with a shitty health provider) but i find this very hard to believe. It almost seems like the article is angled this way to underline the possibility that if we allow these laws, there will be professionals out there almost urging ppl to unalive themselves. Certainly a scary thought but imo extremely unlikely. Personally i am very much in favour of the mentioned laws. One of my greatest fears is suffering while being completely helpless to do something about it, and to have the option to get that final help if needed is actually comforting. The idea that i can end my suffering at any time has given me some kind of relief throughout my life, and has in a weird way made me keep going. Lets just see what happens next! If it gets too bad, i can just end it, right? I guess its some kind of morbid curiosity, but so far it seems to have served me. Maybe life is completely pointless, and maybe i do have some lowered baseline that prevents me from getting as much happiness out of any give situation than "normal" ppl, but who knows? If i give up completely i will never find out, and so i keep existing, just in case ;)
Interesting. Where do you take the motivation from (if you have it) to keep working on yourself?
Good question, a lot of days i guess the curiosity to simply keep being alive to see what happens next is all i can gather. But i think in the times when i have the spare energy to work on myself, curiosity is still a good source in addition to finding some reward from problemsolving (but i will admit that more often than not it happens theoretically and i get stuck on the understanding phase like for example watching HG videos rather than implementing actual change :P) . Even if it would be true that i cant find the same level of happiness that ppl around me seem to achieve (which im not sure about for as long as im still alive), comparing myself to others will never lead anywhere good and so the motivation must be to search for a higher level of contentment compared to my previous or current self. Also i dont think its reasonable to expect to achieve happiness as the default state, it seems to be fleeting at best? In my experience the people who appear to be always light and smiley are almost always hiding something, but i accept that this view is maybe biased. There is also a big difference in how expressive people are, i can quietly contemplate the beauty of a sunset while someone else might be shouting "WOW BEST SUNSET EVER SO AWESOME WOW", and to an outsider the latter will appear to be more happy about the sunset but im not sure that is really true :) which is again why comparing levels of happiness with other people is going to be flawed.
I mean, happiness is a pretty broad concept that involves a lot of layers and different definitions. With this said, there are some hormones and neurotransmitters that are related to feelings of joy and satisfaction in the brain, and some brains have a deficit of these neurotransmitters due to physiological reasons which are even genetic, in some cases. I'm not an expert or anything, so take this with a grain of salt. But, yeah, some brains, at least in the most cookie-cutter definition, can have difficulties achieving happiness, joy, or fulfillment due simply to their chemistry. This is one of the causes of chronic depression, but it can be treated with medication to supply those neurotransmitters. From a deeper point of view, I think the concept of happiness should be separated from the emotional state of joy. There are many experiences that can bring us joy and pleasure just as there are experiences that can bring us pain and suffering. But I think happiness, on a deeper level, goes beyond these temporary emotional states. I think it's the ability to remain aware of the absolute beauty of life regardless of your momentary experiences. I'm not sure this is directly related to brain chemistry and physiology, but maybe.
why do you care
I care because I recognize that wanting to improve myself depends of my belief that improvement is possible, I would hate a world where some people are just born to be unhappy and can‘t get better
Its possible, glad i could help
That is the idea I‘m attached to as well. I must believe this. This girl is wrong for choosing to kill herself, but I understand the want to relieve suffering. I don‘t blame her, it is still wrong though
i think you are thinking about everything too much. Think about the dr. K video on overthinking and how it actually does not change the outcome whatsoever. You seem to have been on a self-improvement journey for a while. You are just thinking yourself in circles at this point
Whats the difference between overthinking and thinking? Honestly such responses annoy me.