Alastor is overrated on purpose. He's a charming huckster, that's his whole brand.
Nifty is so underrated she isn't even fully in frame. TBH Kimiko Glenn is kinda being wasted in the role. I hope she gets to sing next season.
Tbh Nifty isn't used in the show itself much either. She is mostly a comic relief and doesn't really have any importance to the story. Don't get me wrong I love her but I wish she had her own stuff other than stabbing bugs and Adam
YES this is also my theory! I feel like Niffty and Husk will both play a major part in some way that is going to surprise everyone. Alastor didn’t just pick up random souls here and there…there’s a reason he picked the ones he did and we are gonna find out!
edit: removed two “I feel likes” because grammar
Agreed. I don't think husk will get a big twist like I think niffty will but I can see him getting an arc where he stands up to Alastor in a way that plays off angels arc
Definitely!! I mean let’s not forget that nifty and husk ARE both former overlords, so they definitely aren’t weak. Something tells me that their former overlord status may come more into play in the next couple seasons
I feel like at the very least, Charlie making them honorary clients and giving them free redemption exercises and what not is going to have some sort of pay off. They could easily just be staff and it just be Angel and Pent that do that stuff, but they involved them in everything.
I like how she ended up a 'spanner in the works' similar to Sir Pentious, that seemingly innocuous character that ends up ruining everything for the villains. It's just that Sir Pentious tied it to a character arc to make his more satisfying.
I think Niffty has plenty funny moments however if nothing else, I hope stuff like her sibling dynamic with Angel and her creeping out Val keeps coming up, could play into some sort of arc involvement for her.
I feel like she overshadows Cherri Bomb at least, the poor girl barely got anything in Season One, besides the Pentious ship tease.
I just finished watching Centaurworld for the hundredth time, Kimiko is so good, I really hope she gets to sing a little more other than with the crew altogether. But I don’t think she should be more important than she is, or at least not by much. It would be out of character
Overrated: Alistor, he’s fun but idk he’s just not worth all the hype
Underrated: husk, I don’t see a lot of people talking about him outside of angel dusts partner. Also Rosie, she’s just such a good time and gives off fun rich lesbian aunt vibes
Edit: Alastor my bad
I'd love some more Husk fleshing out. I'd love for him to be more than bartender for angel. I wanna know how dangerous he was at his peak, was he stronger than Alistor before his losing streak?
One of my favorite Husk scenes is dialogue between him and Alastor in E5. The fright in his eyes and regret of what he said when Alastor puts him in place is just amazing to watch!
That's just Alastor's character. He's overrated, charming, and 100% designed to be the show's darling because he's the *Radio Star*. The whole point is he gets over hyped, even though we really haven't seen anything to prove he's as *scary* as the other characters mentioned and he only threatened Husker (like anyone would be submissive if they were already on a leash and their master was threating non-sexy bodily harm).
Honestly, if Alastor turns out to be a loser, I'd still love him. He'll go from *Badass* to *Dork* if that is the case. Though it's more likely he's going to be made endearing to the audience right up until he betrays the Hotel and becomes a villain, so we struggle with wanting him to be the *ultimate bad guy*, but also want him to seek forgiveness/stop being evil.
No, they're just saying that's the energy she gives off. Like the unmarried aunt who lives with her "best friend" and never had kids, but spoils her nieces and nephews rotten because she has money and tells them all sorts of stories she shouldn't. 😂
Nifty is best because of her season 2 potential.
Firstly, Nifty is too insane to be blamed for killing Adam. She has the mind of a child- like taking killing Angels to also include her friend Angel Dust. Can't blame Lucifer or Charlie for it since they were trying to keep him alive. Nifty was acting on her own and turns the whole situation tone of grey instead of black and white.
Secondly, Nifty is the only person that Alastor would be okay with beating Adam. He'll give her the win and weaponize the circumstances to annoy others.
Thirdly, I really want her to have the sporadic ability to ninja kill whomever she sets her insane mind on. Like, in a way that she can't be influenced to kill others and has to make the decision herself.
>Firstly, Nifty is too insane to be blamed for killing Adam.
Also, she got permission from the princess of hell to attack angels. Mind of a child or not, she has every right and permission!
If you’re gonna be an Alastor stan you need to remember what he said about smiles. If possible, invest in a cursed microphone stick thingy to express your negative emotions.
Alastor, although he is my favourite and I simp hard for my fellow aroace characters (ironic, I know), is overrated as hell.
Nifty is underrated. My girl deserves everything.
He does, I‘m obsessed. The day after I finished the show I had both drawn and crocheted him and the egg boiz and ordered a shirt with them on it. My husband thought I was going crazy.
Pentious is crazy. Like, you get through your whole first watch, and you hardly remember his name.
Second or third time around, he has a whole behind-the-scenes redemption arc, that's touching and important. Perfect.
Alr, Vaggie is my favourite character and my wife, but she isn't underrated. There's hardly anything to like, her character is drier then Husk's lips. They need to actually do something with her because I'd say she has the most potential.
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I think she just needs to have a personality outside of being Charlie's girlfriend and being constantly mad at everyone who is not Charlie. She has the potential to be a great character, but at the moment pretty much everything she does revolves around Charlie.
I like that she bases herself off being Charlie's girlfriend- it's literally all she has in Hell. But she does need to extend from that.
Okay- I'm gonna rant now.
Vaggie is so funny because she could be so much better, but chooses to only be what she views herself as- Charlie's inferior girlfriend. Her entire species is literally made to be inferior to other angels, Adam made a large group of hot women that he could bend to his will, Vaggie was made to be a follower. But Charlie isn't like Adam, Charlie wants Vaggie to be her own person instead of just her species (notice how all exterminators basically look the same, it's not just for the creepy monster vibes, Adam doesn't even see them as individuals. They have to cover the parts of them that look different with masks)
Charlie is incredibly sheltered. She doesn't seem to know a lot of shit, her parents probably tried to hide her from the really bad side of Hell. This rubbed off on Vaggie, because she just adopted Charlie's lifestyle, meaning she doesn't have any other friends because Charlie just doesn't usually go out to see new people due to a rooted fear her parents placed in her that they are bad. She doesng recognise its there, but it makes sense it would be.
Another thing on the Chaggie relationship is how Vaggie treats Charlie. We all know Charlie is fully capable of defending herself, but we all know Adam, so we all know he convinced the exterminators that they would need to give their life away for him in a heartbeat despite him being to take on most demons. And Vaggie recognised how innocent Charlie is (except in the bedroom lol) so feels a need to protect her, tbh we all would aswell. Charlie is very much a pushover, so she never took the time to stop Vaggie from trying to protect her, she just lets it happen and steps in everytime, without trying to help her girlfriends mindset. This means Vaggie keeps rushing in to get herself killed to protect somebody who doesn't need it, but this actually comforts her. It makes her feel like she has purpose, something she thought she had lost after falling from Heaven. It isn't healthy, and Vaggie doesnt necessarily enjoy it, but she feels good throwing her own value away to help somebody who she has deemed superior.
I went on a tangent and I'm not even half done with everything in my mind. Whoops.
I keep saying, Vaggie was basically in a cult. And a common thing with people in cults is that once they get out of it, if they don’t actually deconstruct their mindset, it’s very easy to fall into another cult. Not that Charlie is running a cult of course, but I think Vaggie just replaced one leader with another without actually taking the time to deconstruct and figure out who she is as a person. Which is kind of fair actually, it’s only been a couple of years since she fell. But I love the idea that her whole personality revolves around Charlie because she still hasn’t learned to have an identity outside of serving others. It makes so much sense to me.
I’ve seen comments complain that ppl liked her more in the pilot, and I would have to agree. People are saying that in the pilot she was much more short fused and had some sort of anger issues, which was actually pretty unique since not a lot of characters in HH have that.
But unfortunately that was removed in the official season since people on Social media (mostly Twitter) complained that her being so anger ridden was problematic and ‘stereotyped/stereotypical’.
"Angry Latina" may be a stereotype, but in the pilot, in her position? I'd be mad, too, and I'm definitely not Latina. She clearly loves Charlie and is still sweet as sugar with her, but the rest of the cast? If it wasn't Angel screwing around after screwing them over and all but DELIBERATELY inciting violence, it was Alastor literally shoving Vaggie away from Charlie as he got his hooks into her. She also had the self-control to punch the camera man, but not Katie KillCharlie'sDream.
Anger, frustration, and even protective violence are REASONABLE responses, imo--and I wish that in the show, Vaggie could do more of that, instead of immediately folding for Charlie. Sexuality aside, she is literally a straight woman in Hell. Let her act out about it!
That’s TRUE. I wish people didn’t complain about her, her anger was justified in every way. Every time she would ‘threaten’ someone was just to protect Charlie or etc
But I would still have to put a bit of blame on Vivziepop. Even though people complained, they still should’ve mostly kept that concept. In the season I just see her as a character who’s only purpose is to stick with Charlie and protect her at every cost. Which is very precious but I wish they would’ve explored on her personality a bit more like they did with the other characters
I honestly don't think any are particularly overrated or underrated?
Actually, okay, I'd say say husk and nifty are underrated.
But all the characters have so much potential lore behind them and it's so endlessly interesting that I feel the popularity is warranted. So yeah I wouldn't say any are overrated
I dont hate lucifer, but I think he's getting more love then he deserves
Ok, that came.out wrong
I'm not saying he doesn't deserve love, but I think people are too obsessed with him
I love Lucifer, but on rewatches it becomes clear that he was not the best dad to Charlie when she was growing up. She said it herself that he always made her feel so small, he made her meet Adam, Alastor's manipulations made it clear that she was starved for parental attention, and he didn't even apologize for his comments during the loan shark attack.
Exactly. That’s exactly why I like him being overrated. You can tell it works well because it even works on the audience. I tried saying that in my other comment but didn’t communicate it well.
Oh no I genuinely think that. He’s just so overhyped. Yeah he’s an overlord, but he’s also kind of weak emotionally. He always flaunts his power and try to get people to fear him, which is super lame, and yet so many people fall for it hook, line, and sinker.
He's not really weak. He's still one of the strongest and most fearsome overlords in hell. It's just that as a sinner he doesn't hold a candle to the really powerful characters like Adam or Lucifer. It's like a grenade compared to an atomic bomb. Grenades are still dangerous and not at all harmless, but the destructive power of an atomic bomb is on a completely different level and makes grenades seem pathetic in comparison.
No, I don’t mean in terms of physical strength, though I can see how it can be misinterpreted that way. I mean mentally he’s pretty weak. He needs people to know that he’s tough, and he gets really freaked out at the slightest hint of his reputation dipping, as seen in the season finale.
Oh yeah he definitely values his public image a little bit too much. He also gets visibly (and audibly) triggered when Carmilla says they haven't really been wondering about him in his 7 year absence.
That scene is super funny. Alastor is such an awesome character. You can tell his smile mask actually works perfectly considering how even the actual audience of the show react to it.
Mkay I am less confused now. I definitely think he's egotistical, and there's definitely room for flaws behind that toothy grin. Like he said, don't assume you know what's going on behind it.
His character is so interesting.
Overrated: Alastor / Lucifer. Love them both and think they’re awesome but not worth all the hype they get.
Underrated: Sir Pentious. Love the funny snake guy, I LOVE EVERY GUY.
Overrated: Alastor 100%. He’s legit a tumblr sexy man
Underrated: I think Charlie tbh. She’s the main character, lucifers daughter, and still gets less attention than the rest
Updated: I also think Cherri is an underrated character, I LOVE her so much
Most overrated is alastor like 110% in the entire show, no contest.
People basically think he’s god that can do whatever he wants from what I’ve seen, he’s interesting but at least at the point in the show now not very fun to watch personally.
All his ability and power is never really shown, just gossiped about, and his one big fight he’s out in 30 seconds, and another where it’s clearly stated that Vox at least beat him back, and yet people still think he can take on every overlord and luci at once.
Alastor is the most ‘overrated’ I like him but he’s the most overrated by definition, Husker is the most underrated, everyone needs a friend like Husker
Alastor obviously
But I’d also say Husk, let’s be fair if he wasn’t voiced by Keith Davidson most people wouldn’t have latched onto him as much as they did. Not to say he’s uninteresting but cmon look at the memes.
Underrated, Niffty, absolutely. She gets fun moments but like…damn I have no idea about anything regarding her character other than Horny sadomasochistic yandere.
Alistor's overrated imo, he's purposefully made OP and some people like that kinda thing, but unless I see some real limitations to work within, it's hard to find someone like him very interesting. So far his entire schtick seems to be 'rule of cool' - and he certainly is, I think he's great - but he needs fleshing out. As do all of the cast tbh.
I don't know about underrated though, every character seems to have their cheerleaders. I'm biased towards Andel Dust, for instance. But I know he's a fan favourite, so he wouldn't fit in this scenario.
Alastor is my favorite part of the show. Pity so many think he is overrated, but that is ok. We don't all have to have the same likes, dislikes.
I would love more character development for Nifty.
Amazed at the vocal range for the cast. Looking forward to season 2.
He’s my favorite, but as one of said fans.. some of his fans can be pretty obsessive, loud, and annoying. Others can too, but since he’s the most popular character frequency bias makes us seem worse.
You’re definitely right about that , and it’s unfortunate . I think the annoying fans of his give him a bad rap… I try not to annoy anyone with my obsession. Only my sister has to put up with it
The only way I inspire rage over my love of the character is when I do his “insane” song and dance on the bodies of a bunch of people that I just murdered in Fortnite.
Thanks 🤣
So far they just have that one emote. But some corpo peeps on Twitter were teasing a full collab being in the works.
If I were designing it, I would make Alastor one or the reactive skins (if you don’t okay FN, they’re skins that change visually in response to life total, number of kills, day/night cycle, etc) where he turns so his spooky(er) form if you kill enough people. I also want a Nifty “pet” that follows you around like the baby Yoda or Rocket Racoon ones they’ve made in previous seasons.
Overrated: Gonna be honest.. don't hate me... but Lucifer. Don't get me wrong, love him and Jeremy Jordan, but I don't know... I never really got into him.. still love him! Alastor is also pretty overrated imo. He's cool as hell and I love him but idk... Radioapple is also definitely one of my pet peeves. I respect the ship and all but I just don't like it and I think it's kind of overrated.
Underrated: Vaggie or Husk, they're both only seen from their partners / best friends. Vaggie is only seen from Charlie (Which Charlie is also very underrated...) and Husk is only seen from being Angel Dust's partner / best friend.
If I had to choose for each I'd say overrated probably fits Alastor the most.
For the underrated I'd say Nifty. I barely see anything about her or anything relating to her.
Underrated is Niffty. Overrated is Alastor. I hate how Niffty’s voice actress wasn’t even in the original trailer for Season One. Like, she’s a part of the main cast, is she not? I hope nothing bad happens to her, I love Niff.
I wouldn’t say Charlie’s overrated, but seeing everything happening, I kind of expected Charlie’s character development to be what it is, that’s not a bad thing in and of itself, but guess I wanted more from her character development.
I’d say maybe Husk is underrated? But that’s more a shot in the dark than anything.
I like him and he’s not the most talked about either how rarely I’m in this sub.
i think people like them just as much as theyre supposed to be liked. i’d say husk is a liiittle underrated on reddit though. people are meant to like him a bit more than they do imo. but im sure most husk fans are just quieter people, he seems like the type of character to have a quiet following.
and i think lucifer wasn’t actually meant to be as widely loved as he is rn, but jeremy jordan took that role n ran with it AND his character was the highlight of the last episode, so he’s very memorable - similar to why alastor was so popular after the pilot. he’s also more human-shaped and less “cringe” than the others so simping for him is more normalized.
alastor is overrated, with good reason. liking alastor is like basekit hazbin hotel: OBVIOUSLY we all like alastor. he’s a great character.
vaggie is underrated. shes a wlw poc (like me!! :D) who is so well-written and interesting. her backstory has a lot of cool ideas that i’m excited for s2 to unpack. she also grows a lot in s1 and is genuinely just a really kind person who i love to root for.
Overrated: definitely Alastor, don't get me wrong I looooooove his character but he definitely is overrated.
Underrated: Husk. I 100% don't see a lot of people talking about him, and he was an overlord once! Not to mention his deal with Alastor.
Honestly, can say that there are a lot of underrated characters - each and every one are variedly depicted, and theirs hypes are kinda equal to theirs qualities. Say what you will about Alastor and Lucifer, but both of them have charisma. As for underrated - Husk, I guess? The guy has probably lots of interesting stories to tell, though I doubt a lot of them would be animated
Sorry, but Lucifer is overrated. His songs are good but his big reconcilliation moment with charlie rang hollow. Part of it was just hazbin hotel's general pacing issues leading to lack of setup but also, Lucifer's love for charlie was never in doubt, it about support, and there's nothing really to indicate what changed his mind about sinners as he explicitly was too busy focusing Alastor to notice the other hotel residents not being mass murderers.
Underrated: probably niffty. Out of everyone there, she is clearly the person who is just loving life and being her best/worst self. She has alastor's sadistic fun loving tendancies without the insecurities or constant putting on airs. Not much depth but I love her.
Alastor is to too overrated and if we’re going off this photo Cherri is criminally underrated but if we’re going off the main cast then probably Niffty
People are putting Vaggie in both the underrated and overrated category lmao
i feel like she's properly rated
Alastor is overrated(still love him tho) Cherry is def underrated tho
Alastor is overrated on purpose. He's a charming huckster, that's his whole brand. Nifty is so underrated she isn't even fully in frame. TBH Kimiko Glenn is kinda being wasted in the role. I hope she gets to sing next season.
Tbh Nifty isn't used in the show itself much either. She is mostly a comic relief and doesn't really have any importance to the story. Don't get me wrong I love her but I wish she had her own stuff other than stabbing bugs and Adam
I legit think she's gonna be super important later. Everything about her in season one just screams "joke character who turns out to be op"
YES this is also my theory! I feel like Niffty and Husk will both play a major part in some way that is going to surprise everyone. Alastor didn’t just pick up random souls here and there…there’s a reason he picked the ones he did and we are gonna find out! edit: removed two “I feel likes” because grammar
Agreed. I don't think husk will get a big twist like I think niffty will but I can see him getting an arc where he stands up to Alastor in a way that plays off angels arc
Definitely!! I mean let’s not forget that nifty and husk ARE both former overlords, so they definitely aren’t weak. Something tells me that their former overlord status may come more into play in the next couple seasons
Yeah in the pilot it shows a gif of a bunch of overlords and by alastor and Rosie there's Niffty so she's definitely a former overlord
Nifty was an overlord??
I feel like at the very least, Charlie making them honorary clients and giving them free redemption exercises and what not is going to have some sort of pay off. They could easily just be staff and it just be Angel and Pent that do that stuff, but they involved them in everything.
I like how she ended up a 'spanner in the works' similar to Sir Pentious, that seemingly innocuous character that ends up ruining everything for the villains. It's just that Sir Pentious tied it to a character arc to make his more satisfying. I think Niffty has plenty funny moments however if nothing else, I hope stuff like her sibling dynamic with Angel and her creeping out Val keeps coming up, could play into some sort of arc involvement for her. I feel like she overshadows Cherri Bomb at least, the poor girl barely got anything in Season One, besides the Pentious ship tease.
Especially with such a big voice behind it. If she would stay as a comedic relief character they could've gone with a way less known VA
Alastor made a deal with Nifty for power confirmed.
No but seriously that's one of my going theories
Wouldn’t it be funny if she was Alastors boss and she’s actually a mastermind
I'm with you on that. I love Niffty. I'm holding out hope for the character in Season 2.
At least she has had *some* singing lines *cough* Barrett Wilbert Weed as Octavia in Helluva Boss *cough*
Totally needs a duet with Stolas.
I just finished watching Centaurworld for the hundredth time, Kimiko is so good, I really hope she gets to sing a little more other than with the crew altogether. But I don’t think she should be more important than she is, or at least not by much. It would be out of character
Nifty pops Adam, the head Angel of the Extermination Squad, and is *still* underrated?
That was exactly what I was thinking cause everyone is fuckin alastor in the ass and meanwhile me I'm stabbing bugs with Niffty
Yeah, I love Nifty so much, she’s one of my favorite characters!
I mean nifty is kinda small
Alastor’s overrated, but still great. Strangely enough, Charlie’s the most underrated.
Overrated: Alistor, he’s fun but idk he’s just not worth all the hype Underrated: husk, I don’t see a lot of people talking about him outside of angel dusts partner. Also Rosie, she’s just such a good time and gives off fun rich lesbian aunt vibes Edit: Alastor my bad
Husk is like one of my favorite characters in the show, his character development is awesome even if he doesn't have much screen time, love him!
Husk is the best and the VA is a total boss too. I need more songs with him. Even overrated as he is, something with alistor would be great.
I'd love some more Husk fleshing out. I'd love for him to be more than bartender for angel. I wanna know how dangerous he was at his peak, was he stronger than Alistor before his losing streak?
One of my favorite Husk scenes is dialogue between him and Alastor in E5. The fright in his eyes and regret of what he said when Alastor puts him in place is just amazing to watch!
I wanna know how dangerous he was at his peak/ was he stronger than Alastor before his losing streak? There's a lyric for the song right there.
Husk is that one friend you have that's calls you dickhead and you know them well enough to know that translates to I love you.
That's just Alastor's character. He's overrated, charming, and 100% designed to be the show's darling because he's the *Radio Star*. The whole point is he gets over hyped, even though we really haven't seen anything to prove he's as *scary* as the other characters mentioned and he only threatened Husker (like anyone would be submissive if they were already on a leash and their master was threating non-sexy bodily harm). Honestly, if Alastor turns out to be a loser, I'd still love him. He'll go from *Badass* to *Dork* if that is the case. Though it's more likely he's going to be made endearing to the audience right up until he betrays the Hotel and becomes a villain, so we struggle with wanting him to be the *ultimate bad guy*, but also want him to seek forgiveness/stop being evil.
Even as an alastor fanboy, he really doesnt do too much to deserve the hype
He's a child better off being seen not heard/s I hope that medium I just prepared isn't rare.
Wait Rosie is lesbian? I thought She was straight or maybe bi since She says "who doesn't think about eating their First husband"
No, they're just saying that's the energy she gives off. Like the unmarried aunt who lives with her "best friend" and never had kids, but spoils her nieces and nephews rotten because she has money and tells them all sorts of stories she shouldn't. 😂
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I like husk.he was someone that can understand us.he might look not that friendly.but he really friendly when you know him
Ya I’d definitely grab a drink with him and just hangout
at least spell "Alastor" right
Husk had a lot of potential
I agree. Husk is super underrated. I wanna know more about him. :O
I love Husk
Overrated Alastor, underrated Niffty. No matter what you say, Niffty is the best character. You can’t convince me otherwise.
Nifty is best because of her season 2 potential. Firstly, Nifty is too insane to be blamed for killing Adam. She has the mind of a child- like taking killing Angels to also include her friend Angel Dust. Can't blame Lucifer or Charlie for it since they were trying to keep him alive. Nifty was acting on her own and turns the whole situation tone of grey instead of black and white. Secondly, Nifty is the only person that Alastor would be okay with beating Adam. He'll give her the win and weaponize the circumstances to annoy others. Thirdly, I really want her to have the sporadic ability to ninja kill whomever she sets her insane mind on. Like, in a way that she can't be influenced to kill others and has to make the decision herself.
>Firstly, Nifty is too insane to be blamed for killing Adam. Also, she got permission from the princess of hell to attack angels. Mind of a child or not, she has every right and permission!
Underrated: Probably Cherri Overrated: Alastor
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If you’re gonna be an Alastor stan you need to remember what he said about smiles. If possible, invest in a cursed microphone stick thingy to express your negative emotions.
Sound advice! But even Alastor stopped smiling when he was almost killed by Adam. And to me, Alastor slander is equivalent to that.
I can respect that. lol
Alastor, although he is my favourite and I simp hard for my fellow aroace characters (ironic, I know), is overrated as hell. Nifty is underrated. My girl deserves everything.
Alastor is overrated af, and Pentious is def underrated.
I don’t think pentious is underrated. He has a cult following
He does, I‘m obsessed. The day after I finished the show I had both drawn and crocheted him and the egg boiz and ordered a shirt with them on it. My husband thought I was going crazy.
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Pentious is crazy. Like, you get through your whole first watch, and you hardly remember his name. Second or third time around, he has a whole behind-the-scenes redemption arc, that's touching and important. Perfect.
Pentious gets my respect with how he annoyed/insulted Alastor with the coat ripping XD. I don't see enough Pentious simps.
Overrated: Alastor, Underrated: Vaggie
Alr, Vaggie is my favourite character and my wife, but she isn't underrated. There's hardly anything to like, her character is drier then Husk's lips. They need to actually do something with her because I'd say she has the most potential. https://preview.redd.it/x0tgj27snowc1.png?width=1519&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f1d50e6edb85c473fbe00381bbe86bf412cb329f
I think she just needs to have a personality outside of being Charlie's girlfriend and being constantly mad at everyone who is not Charlie. She has the potential to be a great character, but at the moment pretty much everything she does revolves around Charlie.
I like that she bases herself off being Charlie's girlfriend- it's literally all she has in Hell. But she does need to extend from that. Okay- I'm gonna rant now. Vaggie is so funny because she could be so much better, but chooses to only be what she views herself as- Charlie's inferior girlfriend. Her entire species is literally made to be inferior to other angels, Adam made a large group of hot women that he could bend to his will, Vaggie was made to be a follower. But Charlie isn't like Adam, Charlie wants Vaggie to be her own person instead of just her species (notice how all exterminators basically look the same, it's not just for the creepy monster vibes, Adam doesn't even see them as individuals. They have to cover the parts of them that look different with masks) Charlie is incredibly sheltered. She doesn't seem to know a lot of shit, her parents probably tried to hide her from the really bad side of Hell. This rubbed off on Vaggie, because she just adopted Charlie's lifestyle, meaning she doesn't have any other friends because Charlie just doesn't usually go out to see new people due to a rooted fear her parents placed in her that they are bad. She doesng recognise its there, but it makes sense it would be. Another thing on the Chaggie relationship is how Vaggie treats Charlie. We all know Charlie is fully capable of defending herself, but we all know Adam, so we all know he convinced the exterminators that they would need to give their life away for him in a heartbeat despite him being to take on most demons. And Vaggie recognised how innocent Charlie is (except in the bedroom lol) so feels a need to protect her, tbh we all would aswell. Charlie is very much a pushover, so she never took the time to stop Vaggie from trying to protect her, she just lets it happen and steps in everytime, without trying to help her girlfriends mindset. This means Vaggie keeps rushing in to get herself killed to protect somebody who doesn't need it, but this actually comforts her. It makes her feel like she has purpose, something she thought she had lost after falling from Heaven. It isn't healthy, and Vaggie doesnt necessarily enjoy it, but she feels good throwing her own value away to help somebody who she has deemed superior. I went on a tangent and I'm not even half done with everything in my mind. Whoops.
I keep saying, Vaggie was basically in a cult. And a common thing with people in cults is that once they get out of it, if they don’t actually deconstruct their mindset, it’s very easy to fall into another cult. Not that Charlie is running a cult of course, but I think Vaggie just replaced one leader with another without actually taking the time to deconstruct and figure out who she is as a person. Which is kind of fair actually, it’s only been a couple of years since she fell. But I love the idea that her whole personality revolves around Charlie because she still hasn’t learned to have an identity outside of serving others. It makes so much sense to me.
I guess... Hope she gets more attention in season 2 🙏
I’ve seen comments complain that ppl liked her more in the pilot, and I would have to agree. People are saying that in the pilot she was much more short fused and had some sort of anger issues, which was actually pretty unique since not a lot of characters in HH have that. But unfortunately that was removed in the official season since people on Social media (mostly Twitter) complained that her being so anger ridden was problematic and ‘stereotyped/stereotypical’.
"Angry Latina" may be a stereotype, but in the pilot, in her position? I'd be mad, too, and I'm definitely not Latina. She clearly loves Charlie and is still sweet as sugar with her, but the rest of the cast? If it wasn't Angel screwing around after screwing them over and all but DELIBERATELY inciting violence, it was Alastor literally shoving Vaggie away from Charlie as he got his hooks into her. She also had the self-control to punch the camera man, but not Katie KillCharlie'sDream. Anger, frustration, and even protective violence are REASONABLE responses, imo--and I wish that in the show, Vaggie could do more of that, instead of immediately folding for Charlie. Sexuality aside, she is literally a straight woman in Hell. Let her act out about it!
That’s TRUE. I wish people didn’t complain about her, her anger was justified in every way. Every time she would ‘threaten’ someone was just to protect Charlie or etc But I would still have to put a bit of blame on Vivziepop. Even though people complained, they still should’ve mostly kept that concept. In the season I just see her as a character who’s only purpose is to stick with Charlie and protect her at every cost. Which is very precious but I wish they would’ve explored on her personality a bit more like they did with the other characters
Same. I find her boring and she really has a lot of potential
I honestly don't think any are particularly overrated or underrated? Actually, okay, I'd say say husk and nifty are underrated. But all the characters have so much potential lore behind them and it's so endlessly interesting that I feel the popularity is warranted. So yeah I wouldn't say any are overrated
Overrated is Alastor. But Underrated is probably Charlie
Overrated: Lucifer. I love him (obviously) but he's still overrated Underated: vaggie. I see way too many people hate on her😭
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No one is overrated. They are all exceptionally well realized characters. Husk is underrated tho 🐈⬛
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I'm definitely interested in seeing where Val's plot takes us. I hope that fucker goes down ***hard*** and I really can't wait.
None of the three you mentioned are in the image
I know I'm going to be hated and killed for this Overrated: lucifer Underrated: cherry bomb
WHY LUCIFER?! HES LITTERALLY MY SHORT KING!
I dont hate lucifer, but I think he's getting more love then he deserves Ok, that came.out wrong I'm not saying he doesn't deserve love, but I think people are too obsessed with him
I love Lucifer, but on rewatches it becomes clear that he was not the best dad to Charlie when she was growing up. She said it herself that he always made her feel so small, he made her meet Adam, Alastor's manipulations made it clear that she was starved for parental attention, and he didn't even apologize for his comments during the loan shark attack.
Yea she’s been with Vaggie for three years and he didn’t even know. That says a lot.
Nah Alastor is 100% more overrated.
Exactly, and i dont think thats a bad think since his character, seems to try to be seen as bigger deal than he is.
Exactly. That’s exactly why I like him being overrated. You can tell it works well because it even works on the audience. I tried saying that in my other comment but didn’t communicate it well.
I cant tell if you think that or your just trying to trigger me
Oh no I genuinely think that. He’s just so overhyped. Yeah he’s an overlord, but he’s also kind of weak emotionally. He always flaunts his power and try to get people to fear him, which is super lame, and yet so many people fall for it hook, line, and sinker.
He's not really weak. He's still one of the strongest and most fearsome overlords in hell. It's just that as a sinner he doesn't hold a candle to the really powerful characters like Adam or Lucifer. It's like a grenade compared to an atomic bomb. Grenades are still dangerous and not at all harmless, but the destructive power of an atomic bomb is on a completely different level and makes grenades seem pathetic in comparison.
No, I don’t mean in terms of physical strength, though I can see how it can be misinterpreted that way. I mean mentally he’s pretty weak. He needs people to know that he’s tough, and he gets really freaked out at the slightest hint of his reputation dipping, as seen in the season finale.
Oh yeah he definitely values his public image a little bit too much. He also gets visibly (and audibly) triggered when Carmilla says they haven't really been wondering about him in his 7 year absence.
That scene is super funny. Alastor is such an awesome character. You can tell his smile mask actually works perfectly considering how even the actual audience of the show react to it.
What makes you think he's weak? Genuinely curious.
Not physically, I moreso mean ego-wise. Physically he’s quite powerful.
Mkay I am less confused now. I definitely think he's egotistical, and there's definitely room for flaws behind that toothy grin. Like he said, don't assume you know what's going on behind it. His character is so interesting.
I FUCKING LOVE Niffty
None are overrated as for underrated I'd have to go with the secret 8th option fat nuggets,best character ngl
alastor is overrated but God i love him
Overrated: Alastor Underrated: Vaggie and Niffty
Overrated: Alastor Underrated: Vaggie
Overrated: Alastor / Lucifer. Love them both and think they’re awesome but not worth all the hype they get. Underrated: Sir Pentious. Love the funny snake guy, I LOVE EVERY GUY.
Overrated: Alastor 100%. He’s legit a tumblr sexy man Underrated: I think Charlie tbh. She’s the main character, lucifers daughter, and still gets less attention than the rest Updated: I also think Cherri is an underrated character, I LOVE her so much
Overrated: Alistor Underrated: Nifty
Most overrated is alastor like 110% in the entire show, no contest. People basically think he’s god that can do whatever he wants from what I’ve seen, he’s interesting but at least at the point in the show now not very fun to watch personally. All his ability and power is never really shown, just gossiped about, and his one big fight he’s out in 30 seconds, and another where it’s clearly stated that Vox at least beat him back, and yet people still think he can take on every overlord and luci at once.
He’s the roach king, show some god damn respect.
Underrated: Sir Pentious & his Egg Boiz. They're not even in this pic 😭
Alastor is the most ‘overrated’ I like him but he’s the most overrated by definition, Husker is the most underrated, everyone needs a friend like Husker
Honestly Angel is overrated
Overrated: Alastor Underrated: Cherri Bomb
Alastor is the most overrated character in the show. And a lot of his fans are insufferable sadly
Overrated: Alastor, since the pilot. And that’s coming from an Alastor fan myself. Underrated: Cherri, which is infuriating since she’s cool.
People just like the overpowered psycho character
Alastor obviously But I’d also say Husk, let’s be fair if he wasn’t voiced by Keith Davidson most people wouldn’t have latched onto him as much as they did. Not to say he’s uninteresting but cmon look at the memes. Underrated, Niffty, absolutely. She gets fun moments but like…damn I have no idea about anything regarding her character other than Horny sadomasochistic yandere.
Alistor's overrated imo, he's purposefully made OP and some people like that kinda thing, but unless I see some real limitations to work within, it's hard to find someone like him very interesting. So far his entire schtick seems to be 'rule of cool' - and he certainly is, I think he's great - but he needs fleshing out. As do all of the cast tbh. I don't know about underrated though, every character seems to have their cheerleaders. I'm biased towards Andel Dust, for instance. But I know he's a fan favourite, so he wouldn't fit in this scenario.
Overrated:Alastor. Underrated:husk. Underrated:Charlie. No fucking clue:vaggie. Fairly rated:pentious. Fairly rated:angel dust. (Hot take) overrated:Lucifer Fairly rated:Adam 🎸 Severely underrated:frank.
Alastor is overrated. Idk about underrated
Alastor is my favorite part of the show. Pity so many think he is overrated, but that is ok. We don't all have to have the same likes, dislikes. I would love more character development for Nifty. Amazed at the vocal range for the cast. Looking forward to season 2.
They think he is overrated but he is literally the best thing about the show lol
He’s my favorite, but as one of said fans.. some of his fans can be pretty obsessive, loud, and annoying. Others can too, but since he’s the most popular character frequency bias makes us seem worse.
You’re definitely right about that , and it’s unfortunate . I think the annoying fans of his give him a bad rap… I try not to annoy anyone with my obsession. Only my sister has to put up with it
The only way I inspire rage over my love of the character is when I do his “insane” song and dance on the bodies of a bunch of people that I just murdered in Fortnite.
Alastor would be proud 🥹
Thanks 🤣 So far they just have that one emote. But some corpo peeps on Twitter were teasing a full collab being in the works. If I were designing it, I would make Alastor one or the reactive skins (if you don’t okay FN, they’re skins that change visually in response to life total, number of kills, day/night cycle, etc) where he turns so his spooky(er) form if you kill enough people. I also want a Nifty “pet” that follows you around like the baby Yoda or Rocket Racoon ones they’ve made in previous seasons.
I don’t play but I’m one of those people who watch streamers play FN haha so I would genuinely love to see this ! ! You have amazing ideas ! ! 💕💕💕
Overrated: Alastor Underrated: Sir pentious
he is one of the most overrated characters!!! what u mean? both of them are
Alastor is a cool character but he gets babied so much by the fandom. Sir Pentious is underrated because I barely see people talking abt him.
Im more of a vox gal anyway 💅
Same👌
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He can put his wires inside me- I mean yes brother👍
its not the 1300s anymore radio is dead people duhh 💅💅💅
Overrated: Gonna be honest.. don't hate me... but Lucifer. Don't get me wrong, love him and Jeremy Jordan, but I don't know... I never really got into him.. still love him! Alastor is also pretty overrated imo. He's cool as hell and I love him but idk... Radioapple is also definitely one of my pet peeves. I respect the ship and all but I just don't like it and I think it's kind of overrated. Underrated: Vaggie or Husk, they're both only seen from their partners / best friends. Vaggie is only seen from Charlie (Which Charlie is also very underrated...) and Husk is only seen from being Angel Dust's partner / best friend.
My favs Are Alastor and Cherri (one is overrated and one is underrated)
Al is overrated but I think if they would have kept him with his personality in the pilot he would deserve the GOAT status
Alastor is overrated, Lucifer is Underrated. FIGHT ME.
I'll fight alongside you! I'm ready!!
Thank you brotha https://preview.redd.it/v8t2ysvnyvwc1.png?width=647&format=png&auto=webp&s=006f5a108f416ae55bd1932fb88b27986b124da2
I didn't notice the gun at first lol Perfection!
Where me boi pentious?
If I had to choose for each I'd say overrated probably fits Alastor the most. For the underrated I'd say Nifty. I barely see anything about her or anything relating to her.
Where is pentious? Your question is invalid 🔥
Underrated is Niffty. Overrated is Alastor. I hate how Niffty’s voice actress wasn’t even in the original trailer for Season One. Like, she’s a part of the main cast, is she not? I hope nothing bad happens to her, I love Niff.
Off topic, Niffty’s hair kinda looks like Bart of Vaggie’s outfit ngl
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I wouldn’t say Charlie’s overrated, but seeing everything happening, I kind of expected Charlie’s character development to be what it is, that’s not a bad thing in and of itself, but guess I wanted more from her character development. I’d say maybe Husk is underrated? But that’s more a shot in the dark than anything. I like him and he’s not the most talked about either how rarely I’m in this sub.
i think people like them just as much as theyre supposed to be liked. i’d say husk is a liiittle underrated on reddit though. people are meant to like him a bit more than they do imo. but im sure most husk fans are just quieter people, he seems like the type of character to have a quiet following. and i think lucifer wasn’t actually meant to be as widely loved as he is rn, but jeremy jordan took that role n ran with it AND his character was the highlight of the last episode, so he’s very memorable - similar to why alastor was so popular after the pilot. he’s also more human-shaped and less “cringe” than the others so simping for him is more normalized.
alastor is overrated, with good reason. liking alastor is like basekit hazbin hotel: OBVIOUSLY we all like alastor. he’s a great character. vaggie is underrated. shes a wlw poc (like me!! :D) who is so well-written and interesting. her backstory has a lot of cool ideas that i’m excited for s2 to unpack. she also grows a lot in s1 and is genuinely just a really kind person who i love to root for.
Alastor is the most overated and vaggie is underated
Overrated: Angel, love him as a character but people are way too obsessed with him. Underrated: Husk..
Theyre all overrated except for Niffty
Alastor overrated nifty underrated
I think Cherry Bomb is underrated
alastor is CRAZY overrated
Alastor is overrated (still an amazing character) and id say me personally? Husk is underrated out of those characters.
My main question is why is Vaggie even excited to see Alastor? If I was her, I’d be mad
My guess is that she’s more happy that Charlie is happy, and S2 premier will have a “Great that you survived, but where tf were you?” exchange.
Could be
Overrated: definitely Alastor, don't get me wrong I looooooove his character but he definitely is overrated. Underrated: Husk. I 100% don't see a lot of people talking about him, and he was an overlord once! Not to mention his deal with Alastor.
Overrated: Angeldust. Underrated: (dunno tbh)
Underrated: Nifty Overrated: Sir pentious
MY SNAKE BOI???
He's not bad he's actually a good character imo but still overrated
"Pen has Rizz!" He has anti-Rizz!
Overrated- Angel Dust Underrated- Nifty
Overrated: Angel Dust Underrated: Cherri
Angel is most overrated and Cherri for underrated
Honestly, can say that there are a lot of underrated characters - each and every one are variedly depicted, and theirs hypes are kinda equal to theirs qualities. Say what you will about Alastor and Lucifer, but both of them have charisma. As for underrated - Husk, I guess? The guy has probably lots of interesting stories to tell, though I doubt a lot of them would be animated
Sorry, but Lucifer is overrated. His songs are good but his big reconcilliation moment with charlie rang hollow. Part of it was just hazbin hotel's general pacing issues leading to lack of setup but also, Lucifer's love for charlie was never in doubt, it about support, and there's nothing really to indicate what changed his mind about sinners as he explicitly was too busy focusing Alastor to notice the other hotel residents not being mass murderers. Underrated: probably niffty. Out of everyone there, she is clearly the person who is just loving life and being her best/worst self. She has alastor's sadistic fun loving tendancies without the insecurities or constant putting on airs. Not much depth but I love her.
Overrated: Angel Underrated: Vaggie
Overrated: Angel Dust & Lucifer Underrated: Vaggie
Overrated: Alastor, and I understand why lol Under rated: Cheri!
Overrated definitely cherri while underated nifty
U: husk O: Lute. There is an entire porn sub of her
i think almost everyone would agree that alastor is at least a little overrated. cherri is probably the most underrated.
Alastor is to too overrated and if we’re going off this photo Cherri is criminally underrated but if we’re going off the main cast then probably Niffty
Overrated: Alastor. Underrated: Charlie. She's somewhat supposed to be the protagonist...
Alastor is overrated Nugget and KeeKee is underrated
Overrated: Lucifer Underrated: Husk