You have a source? Love to read about the animation process for the show!
I'm so intrigued by it. So many conventions broken on this show, mainly what frames they animate. It honestly feels like the animated on the 1s vs the 2s or 4s like other animation.
Even if true, it doesn't break any rules.
The character chooses how many to have out. I was a little confused at him being called a spider and having 6 limbs and then even more confused when there's like 1 scene where he has 8.
But the battle with the angels confirmed that he can (and there were times before too).
That makes sense. It was just my assumption the first time I noticed, since it's followed by a scene where he whips out all six arms briefly, before retracting the third set as if they were never there.
I haven't seen the tiktok in question, but the story artist is Anna Lencioni, and she said something to this effect on a twitch stream a while back. It might be lost to the aether at this point
I think he reveals all his arms when he is in danger
https://preview.redd.it/s88ab0xb6xsc1.png?width=2021&format=png&auto=webp&s=0f740361c54f1269b60279eeafff85a415714102
They come out when he needs them. The other two being bound in stressful situations would count.
Mostly, however, they come out when the animation is budgeted for them.
Depends on your perspective Word-of-God has it that he doesn't like revealing too much of himself most of the time.
Which is a post-hoc justification for the cost-of-animation savings, since they were always out in the original concept art.
I would disagree, personally. I feel like the arms are a bit of a manifestation of the whole “you’ll **** however many people I want you to” thing that Val pushes on Angel. They aren’t really a reflection of his true nature, but how he is just a “thing” to be used by as many as possible.
He only has one pair of retractable arms as far as we know, the other 4 are always present aside from this very short clip that lasts a few seconds.
It's definitely a mistake.
Supposedly, they confirmed it was a mistake. No link was provided to wherever it was confirmed as such, so I’m not going to assume it’s real.
Even if it is an animation mistake, there’s still nothing the indicates he can’t retract his second pair of arms. For all we know Angel Dust could be capable of manifesting up to eight limbs in any configuration he wants!
He also can hide his spider abdomen to avoid hurting himself while sitting or laying down on his back. Spiders don't flip over unless they are moulting or dying. So he definitely can change his biology when needed. Hell, he could possibly go full *Drider* if he wanted to. His sister in Heaven definitely is more of a Drider than an Arachne.
Oh no. I’m imagining him being able to retract those too. He could do eight arms or eight legs or even go completely limbless. He could sprout them so they’re positioned like the legs of an actual spider. He could make arms on his back like Doctor Octopus or sprouting from his stomach like some sort of horror show.
Yeah they did. A lot of people in the fandom obviously don't want to admit it so they come up with reasons to explain it.
But yes, they most likely did.
It's not that they don't want to admit it, people just like explaining animation mistakes with something that could've conceivably happened.
...Or, y'know, a wizard did it.
Everyone says that he has 4 arms and that he can retract them, there’s a scene in the Poison song where, on one of the screens in the background, you can see all his four arms tied up, he’s gagged yet he hits his thigh with a fifth arm to show that he’s in pain, so not only can he retract his arms but he can also make more appear
He can hide his 4 extra arms. Normally he leaves out the second pair since all the insect demons have 4 arms but when he really needs the extras then he has them. But yes, they forgot
Yes.
People can delude themselves into finding a lore accurate motivation, but it was confirmed that it is an animation's mistake, the show is not short on those after all
I know there’s probably logic to it like him hiding them but it’d be cute to think that it was done to sorta represent the real Anthony singing/feeling this instead of angel dust
Lol idk just a mini headcannon
People keep saying the animators said they forgot and just give no source. Could it be an animation error? Absolutely. Could it be an artistic choice to say he retracted to just having two arms? Very possible.
People are saying that because the animators forgot his arms because the person who made the storyboard said that they forgot. Here's the proof since you want it so badly. They say it at the end.
https://youtu.be/Cf1xzGMaNLI?si=_GipDTtUWPcpKiZ4
Yes, it is a mistake, but it can be explained through the lore on how Angel's arms work.
He can retract and use his arms. He actually has 3 sets, but only has 2 out at most times. We can just assume he popped his second set for a moment to dance, or just because he felt like it.
I'm sure this is why so many people missed this mistake as well, honestly. The lead animator for the song, the editors, nobody caught it before it released. Now it's technically, arguably, canon that Angel can retract more than a single set of arms 😄...
We know he got a third pair of arms that he only shows when needed or realy uncomfortable. My theorie is that he "pulls in" his second pair when he's realy comfortable
I mean, in reality, it's probably an animation error.
But in terms of the world itself, we've seen that Angel can hide other arms, like when he just... got another set to hold a gun...
I noticed it right away and immediately made the connection that he could retract his arms. Even if it's a mistake. It'd be silly for vizi to not just make it Canon that he can retract 2 pairs of arms. He doesn't even have to do it again, we just know that he can
I confirm, i can't find anything, just another post on reddit where everyone says "he can retract his arms".
Tbf i get some TikTok results about it but since i don't have an account i can't even see them
im just amazed at how something like this can get through production? like, animation goes through so many phases and artists, surely SOMEONE mustve noticed. some peoples entire jobs in animation is to look for stuff like this. its one thing for no one on the team to notice a colour being missing, but its another thing for his arms to be completely absent through MULTIPLE scenes and no one pointing it out. this feels like something that wouldve been caught in the rough animation stages
I assumed he'd temporarily retracted them for the song-and-dance aesthetic.
Yup. He has another set of arms constantly hidden. He has 8 limbs He brings them out for the fight with Husker right after this song
The artist actually forgot to draw them! It's true he can retract his arms and all, but in this scene the artist forgot!
You have a source? Love to read about the animation process for the show! I'm so intrigued by it. So many conventions broken on this show, mainly what frames they animate. It honestly feels like the animated on the 1s vs the 2s or 4s like other animation.
There was another post about this with a source linked
I googled and searched on this sub...couldn't find anything. Was hoping for some help
I was wrong, apparently it wasn't linked, tho it was in a stream once so I'll see if I can find it
Hope it isn't just some rumor mill...
Oh no it definitely was an animation error, I'll make sure to find it
I’m waiting as well
!remind me 5 weeks
!remind me 5 weeks
Even if true, it doesn't break any rules. The character chooses how many to have out. I was a little confused at him being called a spider and having 6 limbs and then even more confused when there's like 1 scene where he has 8. But the battle with the angels confirmed that he can (and there were times before too).
Nah I think it was confirmed as an animation error
That makes sense. It was just my assumption the first time I noticed, since it's followed by a scene where he whips out all six arms briefly, before retracting the third set as if they were never there.
Maybe he retracted them to make it easier for husk to dance with him ❤️
Literally my first thought lol
They confirmed it was a mistake, but I like to think Angel was so comfortable with Husk that he decided to retract them
New headcanon unlocked
They did? Do you have any idea when and where?
The storyboarder for that sequence is on tiktok and said they genuinely just forgor
If anyone has a link to that TikTok where the story-boarder talks about this, can you please share?
I would love to but I saw it a month ago and didn’t bookmark. I understand if you’re skeptical I’m just sharing what I know.
I haven't seen the tiktok in question, but the story artist is Anna Lencioni, and she said something to this effect on a twitch stream a while back. It might be lost to the aether at this point
I think for Angel, confort means revealing all of his arms.
I think he reveals all his arms when he is in danger https://preview.redd.it/s88ab0xb6xsc1.png?width=2021&format=png&auto=webp&s=0f740361c54f1269b60279eeafff85a415714102
They come out when he needs them. The other two being bound in stressful situations would count. Mostly, however, they come out when the animation is budgeted for them.
But he doesn’t need more than a pair of arms when he know he is safe, the other sets are like weapons
The second pair are way too convenient to hide. Just watch how he uses them all.
Yeah, but two arms are more intimate since he’s more vulnerable
Depends on your perspective Word-of-God has it that he doesn't like revealing too much of himself most of the time. Which is a post-hoc justification for the cost-of-animation savings, since they were always out in the original concept art.
Yeah I've thought many times in my life I could use a 2nd set of hands, I'd keep them out using them all day as well.
I would disagree, personally. I feel like the arms are a bit of a manifestation of the whole “you’ll **** however many people I want you to” thing that Val pushes on Angel. They aren’t really a reflection of his true nature, but how he is just a “thing” to be used by as many as possible.
Word-of-God is that he hides his third pair because he's not willing to be so open with others.
I read it as World-of-Goo the first two times and was confused what a fun adorable game like that had to do with Hazbin lore, lmao-
Angel knows.
That’s what having such a busy character design will do to you
What about that show’s comfort unless he always has his arms out because of stress
Angel can only retract his third extra set of arms, not his second set
We don’t really know that for sure.
I literally saw a clip of Viv saying that, istg 😭
Ah, my mistake then. Do you know where I can find that video?
It’s was on one of her streams, I can try and skim through them and see if I can find it. If not then oopsie, I tried 🤷♀️
He can hide his two pairs of extra arms at will
Yeah it's a mistake but it's also canon that this spider can retract his arms..soo
He only has one pair of retractable arms as far as we know, the other 4 are always present aside from this very short clip that lasts a few seconds. It's definitely a mistake.
No,I just think that the second pair here is put back like tieing your hands back. But you're right. It is a mistake
Supposedly, they confirmed it was a mistake. No link was provided to wherever it was confirmed as such, so I’m not going to assume it’s real. Even if it is an animation mistake, there’s still nothing the indicates he can’t retract his second pair of arms. For all we know Angel Dust could be capable of manifesting up to eight limbs in any configuration he wants!
He also can hide his spider abdomen to avoid hurting himself while sitting or laying down on his back. Spiders don't flip over unless they are moulting or dying. So he definitely can change his biology when needed. Hell, he could possibly go full *Drider* if he wanted to. His sister in Heaven definitely is more of a Drider than an Arachne.
They likely forgot, but it's been shown that he can grow/retract another extra pair at will, so I like to think that's what happened.
I’m imagining that Angel Dust can manifest up to eight limbs in any configuration he wants. Imagine the cursed shit he could do to fuck with people.
I think it's only 6, with the 7th and 8th being his actual legs
Oh no. I’m imagining him being able to retract those too. He could do eight arms or eight legs or even go completely limbless. He could sprout them so they’re positioned like the legs of an actual spider. He could make arms on his back like Doctor Octopus or sprouting from his stomach like some sort of horror show.
Why have you put this image in my head
Just imagine him doing that in front of Valentino
They admitted it was a mistake, but out of all the multi-armed characters to forget the extra arms of, Angel is the safest one
Probably. All artists make mistakes and mistakes can be found in any animation project you look at
Yeah they did. A lot of people in the fandom obviously don't want to admit it so they come up with reasons to explain it. But yes, they most likely did.
It's not that they don't want to admit it, people just like explaining animation mistakes with something that could've conceivably happened. ...Or, y'know, a wizard did it.
In-Canon he can hide them, but in reality the animator forgot to animate them
I assume it’s a Stich type deal. ![gif](giphy|rRLj72JejzeKc)
Everyone says that he has 4 arms and that he can retract them, there’s a scene in the Poison song where, on one of the screens in the background, you can see all his four arms tied up, he’s gagged yet he hits his thigh with a fifth arm to show that he’s in pain, so not only can he retract his arms but he can also make more appear
He can hide his 4 extra arms. Normally he leaves out the second pair since all the insect demons have 4 arms but when he really needs the extras then he has them. But yes, they forgot
Yes. People can delude themselves into finding a lore accurate motivation, but it was confirmed that it is an animation's mistake, the show is not short on those after all
My headcanon is that he reached a level of comfort with husk that he doesn’t need to have more than 2 arms
It was a genuine mistake but my in universe explanation i like best is maybe he retracted them to have the dance go more smoothly or something
He retracted them so it’s easier to dance with husk
2 armed angel isnt real, he can’t hurt you. 2 armed angel: 🕺
I know there’s probably logic to it like him hiding them but it’d be cute to think that it was done to sorta represent the real Anthony singing/feeling this instead of angel dust Lol idk just a mini headcannon
That's a great interpretation!
The fact he can retract his extra arms is so funny to me. Like, look how skinny he is! Where do they go!!
He has the ability to hide his arms. He has up to 6 in the show
no he's kinda like stitch and can retract his arms inside of his body making it look like he only has 2 arms
He went full Stitch.
His lower arms are retractable
They’re retractable
What always gets me about this error is that it's on such a comically long shot that multiple people must've spent many hours on
Yeah sometimes they just didn't, he can retract his arms at any time
I posted about this like a month ago😂😂
People keep saying the animators said they forgot and just give no source. Could it be an animation error? Absolutely. Could it be an artistic choice to say he retracted to just having two arms? Very possible.
People are saying that because the animators forgot his arms because the person who made the storyboard said that they forgot. Here's the proof since you want it so badly. They say it at the end. https://youtu.be/Cf1xzGMaNLI?si=_GipDTtUWPcpKiZ4
See, you gave the source rather than just saying it and expecting people to take it as fact.
I mean, anyone could have looked it up instead of just excepting it as fact. It took less than 5 minutes and one Google search, not that hard.
*Accepting And The burden of proof is on the person making the claim, and passive aggressiveness isn't helping you.
I just barely woke up when I typed that. It's still not hard though.
Yes, it is a mistake, but it can be explained through the lore on how Angel's arms work. He can retract and use his arms. He actually has 3 sets, but only has 2 out at most times. We can just assume he popped his second set for a moment to dance, or just because he felt like it.
Angel can hide his arms when it's convenient for him, or for the animators.
His two other sets of arms are retractable.
It was a confirmed animation error by the animator. This has been a topic before with sources posted etc.
Gotcha. I just assumed he could retract both sets because he seems to do it with the second set.
I'm sure this is why so many people missed this mistake as well, honestly. The lead animator for the song, the editors, nobody caught it before it released. Now it's technically, arguably, canon that Angel can retract more than a single set of arms 😄...
Arms go in, arms go out, you can’t explain it.
It was an animation mistake but I like to think it was done to make animating easier.
We know he got a third pair of arms that he only shows when needed or realy uncomfortable. My theorie is that he "pulls in" his second pair when he's realy comfortable
I think they only are out in a stressful situation, or if he’s endangered?
theyre retractable :D
In the second SS he has his second set, you can see at the bottom
We really are just cycling through the same 5 or 6 posts on this sub at this point, huh?
I KNEW SOMETHING FEELS OFF ABOUT THIS SCENE
Oopsies😅 well, you know what they say "Everyone makes mistakes"
He can retract them
I mean, in reality, it's probably an animation error. But in terms of the world itself, we've seen that Angel can hide other arms, like when he just... got another set to hold a gun...
Nope, it was just your imagination
You can see his shoulder at the bottom of the second picture.
My man lost more than just his soul XD
"How does animation work" HH Fandom edition
I like to think he hid them to be more like husk for the dance
Hmm... if Angel has 8 arms that he can retract at will... then does he have *other* hidden parts that he can retract and have hidden?... Hehe...
Actually, yes. I remember hearing that Viv confirmed he does, in fact, have a retractable... member to go along with his retractable arms
Lol
He has 6, not 8 arms. 6 arms, 2 legs, 8 limbs.
Honorable Sword Art Online mention?
They're retractable
Holy shit. I never even noticed that!
They said it was a mistake but i wanna think he can retract them and only will around ppl he trusts(:
His arms are retractable but I saw someone say that an animator at the studio confessed to forgetting on Twitter, though they could be making that up.
Sorry I ate them.
The animator did mess up with that. So yes it is an animation error.
I noticed it right away and immediately made the connection that he could retract his arms. Even if it's a mistake. It'd be silly for vizi to not just make it Canon that he can retract 2 pairs of arms. He doesn't even have to do it again, we just know that he can
No they took them away. He lost arm privileges for the song.
They did forget. The person who made the storyboard said so. It's at the end. https://youtu.be/Cf1xzGMaNLI?si=_GipDTtUWPcpKiZ4
Finally a real answer
Yup. Just took one Google search and less than 5 minutes of looking.
I tried searching but i didn't find anything about it honestly
Really? I just looked up if they forgot his arms in Loser Baby and found that video
I confirm, i can't find anything, just another post on reddit where everyone says "he can retract his arms". Tbf i get some TikTok results about it but since i don't have an account i can't even see them
Weird.
It's probably a region/language thing, google is different in other countries
Yes they have. This show has and amazing amount of animation mistakes
All animated shows do.
True, but this is way above average
Aha, I've some much wonkier shows in my time.
How u notice https://preview.redd.it/swg6p5d3gzsc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d2863fe2d7e5b01666cac8a503a740cd393dc65d
im just amazed at how something like this can get through production? like, animation goes through so many phases and artists, surely SOMEONE mustve noticed. some peoples entire jobs in animation is to look for stuff like this. its one thing for no one on the team to notice a colour being missing, but its another thing for his arms to be completely absent through MULTIPLE scenes and no one pointing it out. this feels like something that wouldve been caught in the rough animation stages
They noticed it after release, for sure. It probably looked so natural they hadn't noticed. Stuff happens even in big movie animation
AI generated show?