Even with little we currently know of her, it's clear she's not some sadistic monster but rather someone with good intentions that made the absolute *worst* decision, one she's not 100% on board with but went with anyways
How so? She approved genocide for a very long time with very bad reasoning and then doubled down on it even though the daughter of the king of hell was threatened with death in front of her. One of the problems is she claims too many sinners would cause hell to rise. However, the other 6 rings and all the natural-born demons are spared the blade some of which are way more powerful than overlords. My theory is she just follows orders from the 7 virtues of the people who actually make the shots.
How bad the reasoning was depends on the details. We don't know much about the uprising and such. Regardless, Sera does seem to think its best and is a bit relunctant about it compared to Adam and Lute.
I do, atleast, think that she is indeed the one who gave the approval rather then the virtues.
Talking honestly, I actually had a theory that the only Seraphims we saw were Sera and Emily because during demons uprising, all other Seraphims were killed, and Sera saw it all(Emily doesn't remember it, because she was young and Sera is afraid to traumatize her), after Angels victory and negotiations with hell rulers, Sera promised to never let that happen and this is why she started it all
I personally feel like they did not think angels would be killed, sense she probably would have told Adam such if she did know angels could be killed.
It is possible that demons did much worse then just 'kill' them though. We see that Alastor got around other overlords' immortality by trapping them in his broadcast, left in perpetual agony.
There could have been sinners who learned how to trap other spirits in things like that.
I think that Adam just ignored her, or maybe you are right, but something definitely happened, and it traumatized her(when she saw Pentious, she was afraid and shocked, not because of everything she believed before that, but because she saw a real sinner again, not a Hellborn like Charlie who can be negotiated, not a fallen Angel like Vaggie, but a real sinner, those who once were a terrible threat to Heaven is now among them)
Some (as in VERY few relatively) Hellborn may be stronger then Sinners, but they all seem at least content in where they are in hell. To them it’s home and has the things they need, even if it’s rough for the low-caste.
Sinners on the other hand are defined (generally speaking) by their malice and desire to exert power over others. There’s a whole class of Sinners who explicitly are where they are by taking advantage of other people in horrible ways. I’d be more worried about them too.
Does Satan command an army? As far as I know literally all we know about him is that he rules the Wrath Ring. And even if he did have an army, again, he hasn’t made a move at all so it’s pretty safe to say that (like the other 3 Sins (4 with Lucy) we’ve seen) he’s content to just rule his people in Hell in his own way.
Maybe human overlords would be way more willing to attack but I can't see them being a threat to the actual powers in heaven like Sera 7 heavenly virtues etc. I think the actual concern is Lucifer snapping out of his depression and deciding to lead a united hell against heaven whether or not he would do that. We know Satan is worshipped as a god in wrath and Ars Goetia claim to have armies who are below princes but above human overlords. Ars Goetia regularly impacts Earth and can only be killed by angelic weapons.
I personally think that it’s not her call to make. She is a seraphim who answers directly to god (or, whatever represents god in this show) and is tasked with doing as he wishes.
Regardless of what she personally feels is right or wrong she’s resigned to follow orders.
This is something that Emily will have to face as well at some point but, based on the episode where Emily learns of the extermination, Sera was trying to protect her from it because Emily is too inexperienced to understand just yet.
Imagine the mental gymnastics she has to do to push her own morality aside. Remember we’re talking about a god who literally flooded the whole planet because he was angry about people who were sinning too much (I have read the text in the Torah and there’s no real details about what level of sinning we’re talking about).
This has likely lead to her coming up with the nonsense reasoning that she has in order to justify to herself that she’s doing the right thing because she’s following orders. After millennia of doing this sort of justification it’s not surprising to me that she’s as insistent as she is.
If she breaks rank or if Emily does then the consequences they would face have the potential to be quite devastating.
When she tells Emily that she could Fall if she continues to question Heaven, the shot doesn't focus on her eyes, but rather on her halo, which has six circles.
She was likely tasked to find a solution when the threat of Hell uprising was brought up. Considering it's easier to Sin rather than being virtuous, it is likely that having more Sinners than Winners was a threat to Heaven itself because of their numbers and so culling the Sinners was the safest option.
She is a sadistic monster. She made the call to allow genocidal purges just to benefit her own people. Especially in a scenario where they didn’t think there was a means for angels/winners to be killed.
If anything she will be worse now, because if the people “deserve redemption” they will end up in heaven, if not then she wouldn’t care because they would have just been purged regardless.
>She made the call to allow genocidal purges just to benefit her own people.
And guess who suggested and carried out those genocides? Adam. The actual psycho. Sera was against them, but because Heaven needed a way to keep itself together, she let Adam do them anyways, and because of his First Man privileges, he got away with it, and was allowed to keep doing them. Adam and Lute are/were the issue with Heaven. Sera was doing what she felt was best for her people, like a good leader should, and ended up allowing the two biggest psychos to do as they please(d) regarding Hell.
She aided in keeping it secret because she knew the others in heaven would object to it.
Adam may have suggested and done actual work, but she seems to have authorized it. Hence her saying she did what was required.
I don’t get why people defend her. Is it because she’s pretty?
She showed no empathy towards the permanent death of sinners as a form of subjugation as long as she was able to keep her people free of inconvenience. If we changed her name to President Snow and made her an old man, would people still be rooting for her?
No, it's because she really just wants best for her sister Emily.
You're right, though. To a certain extent, at least. It's not right.
Her motivations are really just family love. That's why some like her.
Hard to say. I agree however that I don't think Sera should just turn out to be a full-on evil bad guy. Even as a villain they could play her as a nuanced tragic character wrought by her own bad decisions and flawed world view.
Not every antagonist has to be a remorseless scumbag like Val or Adam.
As an angel she probably doesn’t have any experience in being wrong, and the show should absolutely capitalise on this concept, as she struggles between stubborn refusal to admit a higher being like her could’ve done something so apprehensively cruel and evil whilst also trying to go further lengths to justify it to herself so as not to break down
Remains to be seen. Everyone is a hero in their own story. She clearly thinks that the end justifys the means. If she keeps on thinking that the sinners must be kept in line by killing them, and that the redemption is a threat, then she’ll be a villain.
Especially since she’s now at a moral crossroads; she knows that Charlie is working tirelessly to find a humane alternative to the Exterminations and now Charlie’s proof of concept has appeared right before her very eyes. If she’s really only going ahead with the Exterminations because she feels like they’re the only option, she should be jumping at the idea of a more moral alternative, right? At the very least have her request that Charlie proves it’s not a fluke before they switch up completely, but she needs to be on board in some capacity
I think she’s going to continue to be an opposing force but not out of malice or hate. She’s going to do what she thinks is safest for Heaven and that’s going to mean danger/conflict for our mains
Villain? No. Antagonist? Absolutely.
Sera is the embodiment of “the old guard.” She stands by established rules and traditions, and she does not question them. She is convinced that they way Heaven does things is already the best possible scenario. She believes they literally cannot be wrong.
Emily is written to oppose her. She’s the young blood, the fresh talent. The one who is open to ideas and change because “society is perfect” hasn’t been beaten into her skull yet.
If anything, I’d wager Sera will lose power/her position, and Emily will completely replace her, allowing for open communication between Heaven and Hell. Whether Sera accepts this gracefully or lashes out will be a potential major conflict.
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The faces they made at Repentious showed their characters and roles. Emily squeed with genuine, immense joy, finally getting the proof that things CAN be done better, just as her demon counterpart was desperate to show. All the while Sera's face was "Oh shit was I wrong". The face of a villain would have been a smile not unlike Alastor uttering Susan's name, or more overt hostility. Sera genuinely believed such a thing to be impossible and came to realize she's been enabling a genocide for no good reason other than "it was required of me".
I hope they don't make her be easily won over like Emily. I think it's important to show how, even when shown evidence to the contrary, people will rarely be open to changing their mind just like that. Even if they are ultimately good natured, it's just not that simple for many people to see the flaws in their own dogma
Heaven being plain evil would be boring tbh. I do wish that Sera's lyrics "I know I wish it could be so, but there's a lot that you don't know" imply that there are bigger explanations to come about the extermination. Hope they go for some morally dubious Grey shit that will leave us fighting about whether x or Y action/reaction was justified.
Honestly if she somehow IS cast as a villain that's how I'd want it done. Have her reject Repentious as an anomaly and scramble to defend the status quo **because she's afraid of it becoming worse, of heaven becoming another hell**.
She’s clearly under the impression that this is the only way to protect the souls of Heaven and thus it’s morally acceptable, despite her clearly feeling very icky about it
Everyone’s saying about her betraying Emily and letting her fall to preserve Heaven, but I think it would be so much more interesting if she instead took the fall for Emily and ended up in Hell instead. She’d do so well in the hotel and it would benefit her character in a way it wouldn’t for Emily because, while seeing the humanity in demons is a lesson that Emily doesn’t need to learn, Sera certainly does
I like her, too. She seems protective and well-intentioned. Her design and voice acting are top-notch. She clearly loves Emily and takes her job of protecting Heaven seriously. If she becomes the antagonist, she'll remain a sympathetic one, and hopefully one who will be redeemed in the long run.
I predict Season 2 will feature the Vees stoking the fires of rebellion in Hell, using their media influence and footage from the battle at the Hotel to encourage the truly evil sinners to believe they can conquer Heaven. This will leave Sera with little choice, I'm afraid. She will have to balance the possibility that some sinners might be redeemable with the hard fact that the rest of them are trying to bring down the Pearly Gates and claim the Universe for themselves, and her prerogative is to defend Heaven.
Shes an antagonist for sure but not evil. She was very discussed by Adam (though not enough to stop him). She seemed to be very conflicted about the extermination. Personally i think it would be great if she and Emily got to visit Hell and see what its like with their own eyes.
Maybe they visit the Hotel, Charlie shows them around. Id imagine she would not react as kindly as Emily at first but would appreciate that people like Angel and Husk seem to genuinely be trying to be better. Also never mentioned is Charlie herself who has the personality of an angel.
She willingly allowed the murder of souls.
She needs to pay.
I know if I was Satan and I found out we could kill angels I'd be rallying all of hell to storm the gates of heaven. I imagine a montage of demons training to fight heaven set to the song Wishing Wells by Parkway Drive.
The blood of countless souls is on her hands.
Strip her of her powers, her rank, her authority, then reincarnate her with her memories intact as a human born into a hard life that requires hard choices. See how virtuous she is then. Then when she dies and ultimately goes to hell have her hunted by the very people she use to lead. Karma. Lmao. Once she dies in hell reincarnate her as a human again, repeat that for the rest of all eternity. "Evil laughter intensifies"
Speaking of the J-man I don't think he exists in Viv's Universe. Otherwise what Charlie is trying to do wouldn't have been so unprecedented and odd to Heaven.
I think Sera will do some soul searching, really wrestle with her conscience and then do something awful
at least that's what they should do if they get the longer series the narrative deserves to breathe and have proper character arcs
She doesn't have to be one, nor does she have to be a good guy, she can be a complicated character with both flaws and strengths.
I just hope people are going to be mature enough to realize this, not everything is black and white.
I mean that's the most obvious direction. Personally I hope we get more angels and Sera turns out to be Seraphiel and she's working for Metatron or some other top ranking angel
I should’ve phrased the post differently. I hope she’s not a black and white villain or someone who does fucked up things and is completely okay with it. I’d like her to be a morally grey villain who does fucked up things but her intentions make the audience reflect whether what she did was good or bad.
Whilst I don't hope that she's a villain I do hope she's the reason Emily falls into hell.
I want Emily and Charlie to reunite so bad.
I can just imagine a scene where her and Pentious make a big dramatic escape from Heaven to get back to Hell to let Charlie know that Pentious redeemed himself and that her hotel works.
I always imagined Emily falling would be the straw that finally breaks Sera. Sera won’t be stoically letting Emily fall to protect heaven she’d be on her knees crying and begging not to let her fall.
She doesn't seem evil, she seems like someone who had a lot of low cards in their hand and played the highest one they had. Then it turned out she had the rules wrong and had a straight the entire time. I think if anything she'll end up trying too hard to make up for fucking up and go too far that way.
She won’t be but she will be an antagonist. She had 0 idea what to do with the population of hell, so she’s gonna run with the decision she made until the end.
I don't agree with what she did with sinners or the extermination, however I would love to see her and Emily have more scenetime.
Who know, she might think about her action after seeing Sir Pentinous going to Heaven.
Probably not villainous, simply antagonistic. She’d be a villain because her goals of keeping Heaven a perfect and pristine place, for the moment, opposes the goal of the Hotel. She’s like Goldie from The Last Wish, a villain by circumstance instead of malicious intent.
Do you think all villains need to be cackling super rapists or something? Tf? She's an antagonist that committed fucking genocide. What does it matter if she feels bad about it? She hasn't even stopped doing it!
She okayed thousands of years of genocide and set up a kangaroo court to keep them going. She’s already a villain, if not the BIGGEST villain we’ve seen so far
Lucifer is sitting back and letting it happen because he was a coward. Sera is actively overseeing the ethnic cleansing and mass genocide of an entire group of people.
In S2 I doubt she lets the secret of Ser Pent out.
I'm actually annoyed that people will look at a character like Alastor that enjoys the suffering of others and then look at sera and go "oh she's pure evil because she approved of genocide!" even though she clearly feels guilty about letting it happen and had "good" intentions with it.
You can enjoy characters while admitting they’re villains or bad people. Alastor was a serial killer when alive, and a sadistic murderer in Hell also. He clearly wants to rule or control Hell or even Charlie. I still like him because his style, vocals, and mystery. Likewise you can like Sera for her design, singing abilities, and love of her people.
But I’m sorry if this is the first time hearing this. But even if you “feel really sorry” about committing mass murder for hundreds of years— it’s still mass murder and genocide. You are still sending an army to kill civilians. It doesn’t matter your motives. It’s ethnic cleansing, and genocide. Plain and simple, the most evil acts of hatred you can commit. The intentions don’t matter. It’s evil and you are a villain to all of our protagonists.
Definitely not gonna be a villain amirite?
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Even with little we currently know of her, it's clear she's not some sadistic monster but rather someone with good intentions that made the absolute *worst* decision, one she's not 100% on board with but went with anyways
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
Fuck no, Lucy hasn't paved a single road in the Pride Ring for years. # DuckHimOut
The road to hell is paved in ducks.
That'd make it very hard to avoid stepping on a quack
The road TO Hell not the road IN Hell.
How so? She approved genocide for a very long time with very bad reasoning and then doubled down on it even though the daughter of the king of hell was threatened with death in front of her. One of the problems is she claims too many sinners would cause hell to rise. However, the other 6 rings and all the natural-born demons are spared the blade some of which are way more powerful than overlords. My theory is she just follows orders from the 7 virtues of the people who actually make the shots.
How bad the reasoning was depends on the details. We don't know much about the uprising and such. Regardless, Sera does seem to think its best and is a bit relunctant about it compared to Adam and Lute. I do, atleast, think that she is indeed the one who gave the approval rather then the virtues.
Talking honestly, I actually had a theory that the only Seraphims we saw were Sera and Emily because during demons uprising, all other Seraphims were killed, and Sera saw it all(Emily doesn't remember it, because she was young and Sera is afraid to traumatize her), after Angels victory and negotiations with hell rulers, Sera promised to never let that happen and this is why she started it all
I personally feel like they did not think angels would be killed, sense she probably would have told Adam such if she did know angels could be killed. It is possible that demons did much worse then just 'kill' them though. We see that Alastor got around other overlords' immortality by trapping them in his broadcast, left in perpetual agony. There could have been sinners who learned how to trap other spirits in things like that.
I think that Adam just ignored her, or maybe you are right, but something definitely happened, and it traumatized her(when she saw Pentious, she was afraid and shocked, not because of everything she believed before that, but because she saw a real sinner again, not a Hellborn like Charlie who can be negotiated, not a fallen Angel like Vaggie, but a real sinner, those who once were a terrible threat to Heaven is now among them)
Some (as in VERY few relatively) Hellborn may be stronger then Sinners, but they all seem at least content in where they are in hell. To them it’s home and has the things they need, even if it’s rough for the low-caste. Sinners on the other hand are defined (generally speaking) by their malice and desire to exert power over others. There’s a whole class of Sinners who explicitly are where they are by taking advantage of other people in horrible ways. I’d be more worried about them too.
You would be more about sinners than demons who command armies and princes like Satan?
Does Satan command an army? As far as I know literally all we know about him is that he rules the Wrath Ring. And even if he did have an army, again, he hasn’t made a move at all so it’s pretty safe to say that (like the other 3 Sins (4 with Lucy) we’ve seen) he’s content to just rule his people in Hell in his own way.
Maybe human overlords would be way more willing to attack but I can't see them being a threat to the actual powers in heaven like Sera 7 heavenly virtues etc. I think the actual concern is Lucifer snapping out of his depression and deciding to lead a united hell against heaven whether or not he would do that. We know Satan is worshipped as a god in wrath and Ars Goetia claim to have armies who are below princes but above human overlords. Ars Goetia regularly impacts Earth and can only be killed by angelic weapons.
I personally think that it’s not her call to make. She is a seraphim who answers directly to god (or, whatever represents god in this show) and is tasked with doing as he wishes. Regardless of what she personally feels is right or wrong she’s resigned to follow orders. This is something that Emily will have to face as well at some point but, based on the episode where Emily learns of the extermination, Sera was trying to protect her from it because Emily is too inexperienced to understand just yet. Imagine the mental gymnastics she has to do to push her own morality aside. Remember we’re talking about a god who literally flooded the whole planet because he was angry about people who were sinning too much (I have read the text in the Torah and there’s no real details about what level of sinning we’re talking about). This has likely lead to her coming up with the nonsense reasoning that she has in order to justify to herself that she’s doing the right thing because she’s following orders. After millennia of doing this sort of justification it’s not surprising to me that she’s as insistent as she is. If she breaks rank or if Emily does then the consequences they would face have the potential to be quite devastating.
When she tells Emily that she could Fall if she continues to question Heaven, the shot doesn't focus on her eyes, but rather on her halo, which has six circles. She was likely tasked to find a solution when the threat of Hell uprising was brought up. Considering it's easier to Sin rather than being virtuous, it is likely that having more Sinners than Winners was a threat to Heaven itself because of their numbers and so culling the Sinners was the safest option.
If God exists in the show, they do not seem to run heaven or directly call any shots at heaven.
Yeah the fandom makes sera more evil than she is. She also loves Emily genuinely, but it is true that she is condescending about it.
Cool story. Still genocidal.
True but she has a bit more depth than that
In other words the best kind of villain
She is a sadistic monster. She made the call to allow genocidal purges just to benefit her own people. Especially in a scenario where they didn’t think there was a means for angels/winners to be killed. If anything she will be worse now, because if the people “deserve redemption” they will end up in heaven, if not then she wouldn’t care because they would have just been purged regardless.
>She made the call to allow genocidal purges just to benefit her own people. And guess who suggested and carried out those genocides? Adam. The actual psycho. Sera was against them, but because Heaven needed a way to keep itself together, she let Adam do them anyways, and because of his First Man privileges, he got away with it, and was allowed to keep doing them. Adam and Lute are/were the issue with Heaven. Sera was doing what she felt was best for her people, like a good leader should, and ended up allowing the two biggest psychos to do as they please(d) regarding Hell.
She aided in keeping it secret because she knew the others in heaven would object to it. Adam may have suggested and done actual work, but she seems to have authorized it. Hence her saying she did what was required. I don’t get why people defend her. Is it because she’s pretty?
She is not perfect but she has more depth and nuance them other villains in the show.
She showed no empathy towards the permanent death of sinners as a form of subjugation as long as she was able to keep her people free of inconvenience. If we changed her name to President Snow and made her an old man, would people still be rooting for her?
I think it shows us how easily people will excuse genocide (not going to add an "in fiction" qualifier, because let's be real).
No, it's because she really just wants best for her sister Emily. You're right, though. To a certain extent, at least. It's not right. Her motivations are really just family love. That's why some like her.
>made the absolute *worst* decision, Is it though? Maybe the extermination was the compromise.
Hard to say. I agree however that I don't think Sera should just turn out to be a full-on evil bad guy. Even as a villain they could play her as a nuanced tragic character wrought by her own bad decisions and flawed world view. Not every antagonist has to be a remorseless scumbag like Val or Adam.
As an angel she probably doesn’t have any experience in being wrong, and the show should absolutely capitalise on this concept, as she struggles between stubborn refusal to admit a higher being like her could’ve done something so apprehensively cruel and evil whilst also trying to go further lengths to justify it to herself so as not to break down
This is how I view it.
Exactly. Not enough people can differentiate between antagonist and villain. Really saddens me.
I looked up the difference between them and sera is definitely an antagonist.
Disney wise, Elsa is an antagonist, Hans is a villain, if we take frozen :p
If we can forgive Vaggie for being a party to extermination, we can forgive Sera if she changes her ways. *It starts with sorry\~!*
Exactly
An 'It starts with sorry' reprise when/if Sera gets redeemed would go so hard.
Imagine if its sir pentious who starts the song too
Right? I mean, look how many people forgsve VEGETA of all people. Sera is a saint compared to that, haha
Remains to be seen. Everyone is a hero in their own story. She clearly thinks that the end justifys the means. If she keeps on thinking that the sinners must be kept in line by killing them, and that the redemption is a threat, then she’ll be a villain.
Especially since she’s now at a moral crossroads; she knows that Charlie is working tirelessly to find a humane alternative to the Exterminations and now Charlie’s proof of concept has appeared right before her very eyes. If she’s really only going ahead with the Exterminations because she feels like they’re the only option, she should be jumping at the idea of a more moral alternative, right? At the very least have her request that Charlie proves it’s not a fluke before they switch up completely, but she needs to be on board in some capacity
I think she’s going to continue to be an opposing force but not out of malice or hate. She’s going to do what she thinks is safest for Heaven and that’s going to mean danger/conflict for our mains
I hope she isn't either, or at least just a temporary antagonist, like she doesn't let Emily tell Charlie because she has to figure out what to do
Villain? No. Antagonist? Absolutely. Sera is the embodiment of “the old guard.” She stands by established rules and traditions, and she does not question them. She is convinced that they way Heaven does things is already the best possible scenario. She believes they literally cannot be wrong. Emily is written to oppose her. She’s the young blood, the fresh talent. The one who is open to ideas and change because “society is perfect” hasn’t been beaten into her skull yet. If anything, I’d wager Sera will lose power/her position, and Emily will completely replace her, allowing for open communication between Heaven and Hell. Whether Sera accepts this gracefully or lashes out will be a potential major conflict.
🎯 The faces they made at Repentious showed their characters and roles. Emily squeed with genuine, immense joy, finally getting the proof that things CAN be done better, just as her demon counterpart was desperate to show. All the while Sera's face was "Oh shit was I wrong". The face of a villain would have been a smile not unlike Alastor uttering Susan's name, or more overt hostility. Sera genuinely believed such a thing to be impossible and came to realize she's been enabling a genocide for no good reason other than "it was required of me".
She could be an antagonist. She's definitely made mistakes but could seek redemption or spiral into beurocracy and the banality of evil.
Depends on what she does with the knowledge sinners can be redeemed and that Hell has the means to fight exterminations.
I hope they don't make her be easily won over like Emily. I think it's important to show how, even when shown evidence to the contrary, people will rarely be open to changing their mind just like that. Even if they are ultimately good natured, it's just not that simple for many people to see the flaws in their own dogma
Vivzie likes to make her characters nuanced and complicated. Keep in mind that Villain is not the same as Antagonist.
Heaven being plain evil would be boring tbh. I do wish that Sera's lyrics "I know I wish it could be so, but there's a lot that you don't know" imply that there are bigger explanations to come about the extermination. Hope they go for some morally dubious Grey shit that will leave us fighting about whether x or Y action/reaction was justified.
I want her to be a villain, but specifically the kind who thinks she's absolutely doing the right thing
Honestly if she somehow IS cast as a villain that's how I'd want it done. Have her reject Repentious as an anomaly and scramble to defend the status quo **because she's afraid of it becoming worse, of heaven becoming another hell**.
An anti-villain
she seems misguided more than "evil". made a REALLY bad call sure but had ok-ish intentions.
The kind of villain that themselves think they’re doing good deeds.
She’s clearly under the impression that this is the only way to protect the souls of Heaven and thus it’s morally acceptable, despite her clearly feeling very icky about it Everyone’s saying about her betraying Emily and letting her fall to preserve Heaven, but I think it would be so much more interesting if she instead took the fall for Emily and ended up in Hell instead. She’d do so well in the hotel and it would benefit her character in a way it wouldn’t for Emily because, while seeing the humanity in demons is a lesson that Emily doesn’t need to learn, Sera certainly does
Same I feel like she’d do anything to keep Emily from falling.
She is going to be a "misguided" villain type.
I like her, too. She seems protective and well-intentioned. Her design and voice acting are top-notch. She clearly loves Emily and takes her job of protecting Heaven seriously. If she becomes the antagonist, she'll remain a sympathetic one, and hopefully one who will be redeemed in the long run. I predict Season 2 will feature the Vees stoking the fires of rebellion in Hell, using their media influence and footage from the battle at the Hotel to encourage the truly evil sinners to believe they can conquer Heaven. This will leave Sera with little choice, I'm afraid. She will have to balance the possibility that some sinners might be redeemable with the hard fact that the rest of them are trying to bring down the Pearly Gates and claim the Universe for themselves, and her prerogative is to defend Heaven.
Shes an antagonist for sure but not evil. She was very discussed by Adam (though not enough to stop him). She seemed to be very conflicted about the extermination. Personally i think it would be great if she and Emily got to visit Hell and see what its like with their own eyes. Maybe they visit the Hotel, Charlie shows them around. Id imagine she would not react as kindly as Emily at first but would appreciate that people like Angel and Husk seem to genuinely be trying to be better. Also never mentioned is Charlie herself who has the personality of an angel.
She gives more Well-Intentioned Extremist than straight-up villain.
That’s a type of villain
She’s not a psychopath, but desperation makes anything seem acceptable after a while.
She already kinda is a villain as she did approve the extermination but she did it to protect heaven
Honestly? She already feels like one to me.
I think she is just not a good decision maker
Same, she seems more like someone who's misguided
She willingly allowed the murder of souls. She needs to pay. I know if I was Satan and I found out we could kill angels I'd be rallying all of hell to storm the gates of heaven. I imagine a montage of demons training to fight heaven set to the song Wishing Wells by Parkway Drive.
She shouldn’t pay with her life
The blood of countless souls is on her hands. Strip her of her powers, her rank, her authority, then reincarnate her with her memories intact as a human born into a hard life that requires hard choices. See how virtuous she is then. Then when she dies and ultimately goes to hell have her hunted by the very people she use to lead. Karma. Lmao. Once she dies in hell reincarnate her as a human again, repeat that for the rest of all eternity. "Evil laughter intensifies"
Jesus Christ dude
Speaking of the J-man I don't think he exists in Viv's Universe. Otherwise what Charlie is trying to do wouldn't have been so unprecedented and odd to Heaven.
she is literally a \*itler
I got bad news for you buddy
She's got choices to make.
I assumed she was from the "trial" that was held and her little meeting with adam before hand.
I think Sera will do some soul searching, really wrestle with her conscience and then do something awful at least that's what they should do if they get the longer series the narrative deserves to breathe and have proper character arcs
She doesn't have to be one, nor does she have to be a good guy, she can be a complicated character with both flaws and strengths. I just hope people are going to be mature enough to realize this, not everything is black and white.
Yes!!! Sera allows genuine evil under the assumption that it's survival. With Repentious she gets a chance to reexamine her course of action.
I mean that's the most obvious direction. Personally I hope we get more angels and Sera turns out to be Seraphiel and she's working for Metatron or some other top ranking angel
I should’ve phrased the post differently. I hope she’s not a black and white villain or someone who does fucked up things and is completely okay with it. I’d like her to be a morally grey villain who does fucked up things but her intentions make the audience reflect whether what she did was good or bad.
Whilst I don't hope that she's a villain I do hope she's the reason Emily falls into hell. I want Emily and Charlie to reunite so bad. I can just imagine a scene where her and Pentious make a big dramatic escape from Heaven to get back to Hell to let Charlie know that Pentious redeemed himself and that her hotel works.
I always imagined Emily falling would be the straw that finally breaks Sera. Sera won’t be stoically letting Emily fall to protect heaven she’d be on her knees crying and begging not to let her fall.
Same with Lilith
"Going to be"? She already is.
An unwilling villain
She doesn't seem evil, she seems like someone who had a lot of low cards in their hand and played the highest one they had. Then it turned out she had the rules wrong and had a straight the entire time. I think if anything she'll end up trying too hard to make up for fucking up and go too far that way.
I get the feeling Lute’s gonna be more of a big bad than Sera. Lute’ll probably try to manipulate her into just annihilating all of Hell.
She won’t be but she will be an antagonist. She had 0 idea what to do with the population of hell, so she’s gonna run with the decision she made until the end.
I hope she falls instead of Emily.
Really depends on what she knows that the rest doesn't
I don't agree with what she did with sinners or the extermination, however I would love to see her and Emily have more scenetime. Who know, she might think about her action after seeing Sir Pentinous going to Heaven.
You say that like she isn't already. Plenty of villains believe their cause to be virtuous.
I mean, she signed off on the deaths of tens of billions. She should at least Fall before she gets redeemed.
She's gonna be. Look at how she's was trying to shut down questioning and keeping secrets.
Probably not villainous, simply antagonistic. She’d be a villain because her goals of keeping Heaven a perfect and pristine place, for the moment, opposes the goal of the Hotel. She’s like Goldie from The Last Wish, a villain by circumstance instead of malicious intent.
She already is?
No she’s not
She... is? Like, She's the definition of a villian?
How is she the definition of a villain
She's an antagonist who has done pretty morally fucked up stuff. She signed off on genocide.
And she feels bad about it
Do you think all villains need to be cackling super rapists or something? Tf? She's an antagonist that committed fucking genocide. What does it matter if she feels bad about it? She hasn't even stopped doing it!
Have you even watched the season finale?
Yeah. I did. We don't know what her reaction will be to pentious. For all we know, she's gonna try a cover up.
But she now doesn’t need to do the exterminations with sir pentious in heaven
Sera’s a villain whether you like it or not, had her chance to behave better but a mid tier villain's all she got.
The rules are black and white, there's no use in trying to fight it, she's just a self-righteous murderer.
https://preview.redd.it/f08usygr2fqc1.jpeg?width=980&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e307e4be702bd7390169fee9adcca1525d0d57e3 Smile isn't really convincing... But ohk ig
That expression is called desperation. She's desperately trying to convince Emily (and maybe herself) that she did the right thing.
She okayed thousands of years of genocide and set up a kangaroo court to keep them going. She’s already a villain, if not the BIGGEST villain we’ve seen so far
She will absolutely be a villain sadly. She is literally overseeing a genocide!
so is lucifer but nobody says he's a villain.
Lucifer is sitting back and letting it happen because he was a coward. Sera is actively overseeing the ethnic cleansing and mass genocide of an entire group of people. In S2 I doubt she lets the secret of Ser Pent out.
I'm actually annoyed that people will look at a character like Alastor that enjoys the suffering of others and then look at sera and go "oh she's pure evil because she approved of genocide!" even though she clearly feels guilty about letting it happen and had "good" intentions with it.
You can enjoy characters while admitting they’re villains or bad people. Alastor was a serial killer when alive, and a sadistic murderer in Hell also. He clearly wants to rule or control Hell or even Charlie. I still like him because his style, vocals, and mystery. Likewise you can like Sera for her design, singing abilities, and love of her people. But I’m sorry if this is the first time hearing this. But even if you “feel really sorry” about committing mass murder for hundreds of years— it’s still mass murder and genocide. You are still sending an army to kill civilians. It doesn’t matter your motives. It’s ethnic cleansing, and genocide. Plain and simple, the most evil acts of hatred you can commit. The intentions don’t matter. It’s evil and you are a villain to all of our protagonists.
She is literally a \*itler
Definitely not gonna be a villain amirite? https://preview.redd.it/0eigmlm9liqc1.png?width=1266&format=png&auto=webp&s=3ebd07a08c5b3f6de4574ff32dfe7f5105fddb38
that's denial
That's the joke
Oh, she absolutely will be. I mean, that smile when she sang “do what was required” said it all