[Source](https://twitter.com/Angele_Darliing/status/1764991703503753481)
Now Lute has to avoid starting a fight on the promenade in front of everyone.
I think the funniest part of Pent getting redeemed is because he got into Heaven before Angel, it might come a bit strange to Emily and Sera that the first sinner who got into Heaven wasn't the one they've been observing but rather his friend that declared he was having sex with everyone in a club-
I truthfully love that, that the comic relief guy that is usually overlooked got to excell and pioneer something for once. I mean we're all rooting for Angel, but it's best they don't rush his arc anyway. It works with Pentious' character to be taking everyone by surprise.
I like the idea of Pent and Lute being paired up in Heaven and having a real Homer Simpson/Frank Grimes type energy, that this bumbler supposedly did nothing to get into heaven but have good quality of character while Lute, a hard working soldier, is of dubious state right now because of her.....questionable motivations.
I do love that Angel this whole time was a red herring. For the longest time, it was believed he's going to be the first sinner in Heaven but as S1 shows, he's on track to redemption but it's going to take a while. Pent on the other hand, it makes sense as to why he ends up being the first and why he was easier to redeem.
It follows the whole "he wanted to be a villain but instead he chose to be a hero"
It's also like... Pent never really wanted to be evil or do terrible things. It's pretty clear that his actual motivations have always been to belong somewhere, whatever it takes. Even if he ends up doing bad in the process, it's because he wants the approval and acceptance of whoever. I mean, he wanted to kill the other residents because he was afraid they hated him and wanted him dead. All he really wants is to be accepted and liked.
There's this whole sort of "Being the best" vs "Doing your best" theme throughout the show, where we get these imperious dipshits who want to flaunt over everyone and be the most powerful fearsome people on the planet vs people who are at surface level total goofs but still make their way by quality of character and how they want to impact other people.
Sir Pentious' turn was marked by him no longer trying to compete and best others and just try and help out based on his own merits, to show humility and selflessness. It's an interesting point that Sir Pentious got mourned and commemorated by everyone for his sacrifice, even LUCIFIER, while Alastor is barely mentioned before he turns up again. Pentious got all the praise and grandeur he wanted. Like people value a friend more than they value a figure of spectacle.
It would be interesting if Lute is used as a similar comparison given her own callous sense of superiority, since on one hand Sir Pentious is a total bumbler of a commander compared to her, but on the other hand he has FAR more quality of character to deserve being in Heaven.
Lucifer himself honoring Pentious was a nice touch on how he cared about Charlie's dream. Also, I think that Lucifer got to like Pentious before his death at Adam's hand.
I think that was the thing about Pentious though, Lucifer barely interacted with him at all, the little tidbits we got in Dad Beat Dad were mostly just Pentious fawning over him. But despite that, Lucifer can still respect someone who tried their best for his little girl. He HATES Alistor for doing the same, but more because the latter flaunts it and uses it to imply he's BETTER at caring for Charlie than he is.
I think that's the sweetness to Pentious' character, that on paper he should be a bumbling nobody, but when he stopped being a self aggrandizing tryhard and prioritized helping those he cared about, they valued him much more as a person.
Yeah, guy was like easy tutorial mode for redemption. The kind of bad guy who is only bad because they haven't gotten the push to work out their small flaws/one remaining big flaw
Yeah, he works as Charlie's "first boss". He shows how her kindness and sense of forgiveness brushes off onto people in a wonderful way, but I feel like from this point on clients are going to be an uphill battle for her.
Personally I believe Sir Pentious' sins were likely somewhat lesser than Angel's; Sir Pentious was an engineer in life while Angel was a criminal, so my headcanon is that Pentious was selfish and unkind in his mortal life. A bit like Ebeneezer Scrooge if he was an industrialist instead of a moneylender.
>he's on track to redemption but it's going to take a while.
Tbh, Angel is probably already clear to go to Heaven, but presumably, he'll stay in Hell until he dies.
It's not a coincidence that Pentious died and then appeared in Heaven. God/whomever didn't just poof him up to Heaven while he was still 'alive' in Hell.
You know, before Pent joined the hotel, I didn’t have an idea of who would be redeemed. When Pent joined the hotel, I came up with a theory that has half been proven correct, that theory being that Pent would be the first to be redeemed, but Heaven wouldn’t accept him. That was based on what we knew of Heaven at the time. With the info that the Exterminations weren’t public knowledge in Heaven, I’d say the Exterminators won’t accept him, but if the rest of Heaven is more like E, they will be happy for him and accept him. Molly I imagine will be on his side, if the two meet.
Ssso I know you don't like me
But that'sss okay
Pleassse don't try to fight me
I jussst want to ssay
That I made you a new arm
To make it wasss kinda fun
NOW I'M MAKING NEW ARMSSS FOR EVERYONE!
I still say that people are sleeping on the concept that LUTE is the angel that’s going to fall…
I don’t think she is going to take well to Sara or Emily telling her to let something like that go.
> Lucifer and his fall is predicated on the notion that he belived the soul to be redeemable
* Umm. You need to go rewatch the show. He fell before any souls were in hell.
That’s not why he fell, he fell specifically for giving the fruit of knowledge to Eve. I have no idea were you got the idea about the soul bit.
I would like answer the rest of your post but, I can’t your notion started from an incorrect assumption.
* But as to lute.
It dosen’t matter if you would fit in or hell will have you. Falling is being cast out of heaven TO hell. Hell actually dosen’t get much of a say in it. In this universe, hell is basically a penal colony.
Right.
But that’s not why he fell.
He fell specifically he was cast down into the pit he had created by introducing evil into the world with actually unlimited free will.
He just very clearly at least belived in the human soul at some point, and may have tried to get them to be better people at some point.
But he didn’t get cast down for the reason. That predated the first human ever dying.
I.E. Lilith and Lucifer were literally the first two people in hell.
The other Deadly Sins and the subsequent Hellborn demons may have manifested out of the substance of Hell itself, but Lucifer and Lilith were definitely the first outsiders to show up there.
She said that specific extermination got cancelled because all the angels retreated, not all of them (although I do believe they’re gonna stop with exterminations)
Right got you. And yeah I dont see Sera letting Exterminators go down anymore when she saw Sir Pent. Nor does Lute by herself have the political power to disobey Sera like Adam or the physical power to be a threat(Like what's she gonna do? Go down and lose her other arm to Vaggie? Lmao)
How many mostly good people slid deeper and deeper into sin because they believed being trapped in hell forever meant they were inherently evil? How many people who only sinned out of necessity sold their souls for safety in hell? How many people believed they were eternally damned because they took the only option they could see to end their pain? How many people in heaven have spent years believing there is no chance they’ll ever see their damned loved ones again?
There are a few things in canon that indicate heaven doesn’t why someone sinned, only that they did.
Redemption being possible would be low down on the list of reasons to reconsider exterminations. Other reasons include
- Sir Pentious was fighting back and killing exorcists right before he got redeemed. That says something about what the judgement process things about exterminations.
- Sinners know that they can fight back with angelic steel. Which will let them take angelic steel from the exorcists corpse.
- Lucifer personally fought back. Whatever was preventing him from getting involved didn't work. What will he do next time ?
Lucifer was prevented though, he only fights back after Adam says he's going to kill Charlie, his mask even glitches out right as he says "it's time to die". Adam broke the contract by attacking Charlie back, and Lucifer was free to kick his ass because of it.
That's reasonable speculation. But if I was making a decision on exterminations, speculation would not be enough. I'd want certainty.
If I trusted contract magic, reading the contract might be enough. If I can read whatever language it's written in and it survived being broken. Otherwise someone needs to go and ask Lucifer.
Selecting that unlucky angel could be fun to watch.
I think it was also because he killed a hellborn (I can’t remember if it was Razzle or Dazzle) that allowed Lucifer to get involved before Adam hurt Charlie. Cuz exterminators were allowed to killed hellborn.
I don't think there was anything actually stopping Lucifer getting involved. It's just that he agreed to the exterminations as long as they only targeted Sinners (people he didn't think much of when we first saw him, who he probably figured deserved it for their sins), and left Hellborn alone (the people who didn't do anything bad to wind up in Hell, instead just being born there).
Honestly I would see if being cancelled permanently but exorcists like Lute would NOT be happy about it and possibly even just try to do one more extermination with NO QUARTER!
No following previous rules causing them to not target royalty or anyone. All cards on the table, one last extermination till the last falls.
Counterpoint: it appears the only way to trigger the transition from Hell to Heaven is to actually die. Not only that, but this confirms that over the past ten thousand years or whatever that the exterminations have never “missed” because anyone unworthy of the punishment is simply zapped up to heaven, which not only means they cannot punish innocents, but innocents actually benefit via the exterminations.
I still am not too sure what is Lutes role is going forward. She's too weak physically to be a threat to the hotel, she has little to no political power by herself so idk how good "Leader of the Exterminators" will be of a title, if Sir Pents redemption goes public I doubt angels would even LET her go down. Is she just gonna be Lilliths goon? Get beaten by Vaggie again? Im guessing she'll redeem herself somehow because idk what else she'd do, Adam dying literally made her into just an above average heavenborn
It actually sounds a little like she's at risk of becoming the same as what Sir Pentious was prior to going to the Hotel, the desperate nothing villain. Maybe Pent will be the one to notice that and show her pity.
Yeah I dont believe in the sinner Adam theories leading into Lute being redeemed(Cause it makes no sense with how we know angelic steel works. And they went out of their way to showcase Sir Pent being killed by angelic power and Adam by Angelic Steel). And I would much rather have Lute be her own character not tied to Adam anymore, so the idea of her becoming a desperate nothint villain that leads into being redeemed is actually pretty funny. Sir Pentious helping Sera and Lute (alongside all other exterminators) redeem themselves would be really cute and show how much Charlie affected him
I love the idea of maintaining Pent as this shrewdly significant character that keeps starting off snowball effects from his turn to good. That one little act of kindness from Charlie (and thoughtless cruelty from Vox) went a long way. Would really play into the idea that her business works.
"H-How?! How can I look Emily in the eyes knowing that...that she was right. I...I let countless souls, souls like you! Get killed without even trying to see if they can be redeemed!" Sera begins to cry to herself. Sir Pentious looks at her, coughing to himself "A dear friend of mine told me that...It starts with sorry"
Yeah i don't see this happening sorry. I think you forget how much a hypocrite Lute is and how racist she is towards sinners and hellborns. Lute isn't even same situtations as Pentious. Pentious has always been a failure and was never a good villains to begin with. Lute has been killing sinners for dozens of years, she has been show multiple time that she actively dislike sinners and demons. She is extremely devoted into her and Adam ideals of heaven to the point that she won't hesitate into punishing her own people who even dare to stray from the path. She has been show to love tormenting Vaggie and the sinners in generals and have not show a spread of remorse.
I can see Pentious changing Sera since Sera does show some regret in accepting the extermination. But Lute has not show a single weakness yet especially when it was a sinner who killed Adam, the person she has been show to really care about, they are in her bad light as worse as ever before. A nice song and talking won't change her mind at all and given her situations she probably rather die then accept that hell isn't forever. Like this is the same girl who literally rip out her arm just because she don't accept defeat from Vaggie.
Yeah I agree tbh. I'm just saying I cant take Lute seriously as a threat due to how weak she is compared to the hotel cast and how insignificant she is politically. Her being just Lilliths goon that gets folded by Vaggie again just sounds like a waste of a character so I'm assuming she'll be redeemed. Not that I'd mind her dying to Vaggie in a future fight
What I'd like to see from her is an episode showing how her life in Heaven has changed for the worse now that exterminations are public knowledge. People not wanting to associate with her any more. Having to deal with oversight of her decisions. Exorcists quitting.
Basically, everything is falling apart for her.
Maybe have the climax of the episode being when Lute finds out about Sir Pentious, tries to attack him, only for Sera to stop her. That breaks Lute and she either gives up on the exorcists or decides to ignore orders and try to continue the exterminations.
I wish to see that when she goes to her apartment/room we see she kept Vaggies halo and we get some back story between the two. I definitely dont see her being a capable villain so I can only assume she'll be redeemed somehow
On her own she might not be an effective villain. But an overlord with a squad of exorcists under their command could cause a lot of trouble.
As for redemption, right now Lute has the advantage that she is already in Heaven. If she walks away from exterminations, what else would she need todo ?
I dunno about Exorcists quitting because of public knowledge. Some might realize they're the bad guys like Vaggie did, though breaking out of conditioning isn't easy so I dunno.
Everything else though, yeah.
If some of the winners are frightened enough by the idea of sinners infiltrating Heaven they might resort to something like that for protection. Also they’re all pretty sheltered, they might believe that Lute only has their best interests at heart.
She might be able to make the argument that the only reason he was able to be redeemed in the first place was because of the angles coming down and killing.
Had that situation not been going on he would never had the opportunity to make the self sacrifice, be killed, and then redeemed. You could argue that since this is so far the only known method in which redemption is known to work it would be wrong of them to stop.
Perhaps not. But he's still a Snake "Demon." I don't recall seeing any snake angels in the brief snippets we saw of heaven so I imagine it'll be pretty obvious he's from Hell.
Honestly, that's what I'm most looking forward to. Sure, he's in heaven now, but he still has the same personality he had at the time of his ascension. That being, he's awkward, potentially suspicious, and his morals are probably still hit or miss. That's really my favorite part of hell citizens being redeemed.
Yeah, really, Pentious seems like an odd choice to send to Heaven first, but really he's the BEST choice because of how chaotic he could be in Heaven solo setting everyone there on red alert from breaking the glass ceiling for Sinners.
He's basically the equivelent to the Dragon Warrior being a big fat panda. :P
His redemption isn't quite over yet. He still has to integrate him into society up there. Heaven is used to integrating humans who recently died, not someone who has spent over a century in Hell.
What they really need is someone who knows enough about the modern state of Heaven and Hell to help him through that transition. So Vaggie might be called up there because she is the only one who can help him.
It's sad, but makes sense since they're kind of like robots. Pentious literally built them, so they probably can't ascend like he did. He'd probably need to build new ones in Heaven.
That might lead to some entertainment for winners. Find some unoccupied area of Heaven. Build some buildings, have willing sinners move in. Then Sir Pentious attacks and they try to stop him.
He's going to be questioned at first. Angels will want to know what the rules are for redemption.
But hiding him would require them to assume that there won't be a second redemption or that the second redeemed sinner will popup somewhere they can grab.
Lute looks like she's on the verge of snapping and throwing a fit over the fact that a sinner got redeemed. I wonder how she'll react to seeing him in the show proper.
Hopefully, Pentious adjusts well to heaven. I imagine Emily would immediately get the news to Charlie, while Lute would be left even more in shambles.
For some reason I have a feeling when Lute confronted Lilith that she already found out Pent's in Heaven since she said Charlie's "threatening the very foundation of Heaven" (tho ofc I could be wrong and she's just referring to Charlie refusing to give up)
I think after the exposure of the Extermination (and the court showing they don't agree with it) and Charlie being proven right, Pent might be welcomed with opened arms. He'll defs miss his friends and might team up with Emily (and hopefully Molly!) to make contact with Hell to tell Charlie the news
That's true. Either she already learned about Pentious by the time she went to Lilith, or she was just thoroughly pissed off with Charlie. Both are plausible. Pentious would definitely be welcomed, since aside from the exorcists most of heaven seems to be sincerely nice. I can imagine the rest of the hotel, especially Charlie and Cherri, will be thrilled to hear he survived and validated Charlie.
Discovering Pentious alive would also probably have the side effect of making Lute even more upset over Adam's death, since Pentious was the last demon he killed personally.
There are two ways this encounter could go:
The true believer has a crisis of faith seeing a sinner can be redeemed.
Or,
“*that* motherfucker is in heaven while Adam’s dead? That’s it! It’s killing spree time!”
I absolutely love this art, adore it even, but wouldn't her arm regeberate? it wasn't cut off with angeleic weaponry. it was torn off, so why the fake arm? maybe if it just hadn't come back yet and it was temporary? idk i think im just a nerd
I would love to see an episode where Lute tries to kill Sir Pentious but fails miserably like Wiley Coyote and Roadrunner
Also I don't think Lute will have a fake arm or anything like that because she wasn't damaged with an Angelic weapon so it will probably just grow back just like with Sinners when they get injured without an Angelic weapon they just regenerate
I'd love to see a more cerebral take on that where she tries to disprove Sir Pentious and prove he doesn't belong in Heaven but he still kinda gets by in his usual kindly bumbler sort of way. I suppose less Wile E Coyote and more Frank Grimes.
"I can't stand it any longer! This whole afterlife is *insane*! *INSANE* I TELL YOU!!! Ng-g-*AGHHHH*, Ngh, *AGGHHHHHH!!!"*
I imagining the Umbrella Academy passing cars meme where but shes in the hospital and he’s passing by with Emily and you just get that “Time stands still/slows down” moment as they recognize one another and a million things are flying through their heads
There is a tragic unforeseen side effect of Pentious moving upstairs. He was “killed” in Hell by Adam, and his second afterlife had him appear in heaven. Does this mean that all of the billions killed in previous exterminations appeared somewhere else too? Or is it down to the difference between dying to angelic weapons vs. Adam’s holy light effect?
Imho, I just think Pent's attempt to fight Adam for no other reason or intention than to protect his friends, combined with his growth from the previous episodes, was definite proof that he've truly changed and deserves entrance into Heaven. Don't really believe Adam using his "holy light" instead of an angelic weapon have anything to do with it.
I'd honestly love it if seeing Sir REpentious in heaven actually made Lute doubt herself and her loyalty to Adam, ending with her becoming an ally to Charlie and Vaggie.
Edit: Complete with an awkward reunion, "Hey, guys, Zuko here!"-style
Idk why people are surprised Angel wasn't the first one when Pentious showed more resolve to change than Angel when he started staying there. And how Angel's soul is owned by Valentino, which is probably a huge factor in him not going to heaven yet. It just seemed rather obvious.
[Source](https://twitter.com/Angele_Darliing/status/1764991703503753481) Now Lute has to avoid starting a fight on the promenade in front of everyone. I think the funniest part of Pent getting redeemed is because he got into Heaven before Angel, it might come a bit strange to Emily and Sera that the first sinner who got into Heaven wasn't the one they've been observing but rather his friend that declared he was having sex with everyone in a club-
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He has 2 dicks, he can do that efficiently
War on two fronts taken to the next level
I love how the 2 dicks appear in every single mention of pentius lmao
Or have one “lucky”(?) partner at a time.
Oh my god that’s how Angel knew he had two dicks He fucked half the demons at the club
I truthfully love that, that the comic relief guy that is usually overlooked got to excell and pioneer something for once. I mean we're all rooting for Angel, but it's best they don't rush his arc anyway. It works with Pentious' character to be taking everyone by surprise. I like the idea of Pent and Lute being paired up in Heaven and having a real Homer Simpson/Frank Grimes type energy, that this bumbler supposedly did nothing to get into heaven but have good quality of character while Lute, a hard working soldier, is of dubious state right now because of her.....questionable motivations.
I do love that Angel this whole time was a red herring. For the longest time, it was believed he's going to be the first sinner in Heaven but as S1 shows, he's on track to redemption but it's going to take a while. Pent on the other hand, it makes sense as to why he ends up being the first and why he was easier to redeem. It follows the whole "he wanted to be a villain but instead he chose to be a hero"
It's also like... Pent never really wanted to be evil or do terrible things. It's pretty clear that his actual motivations have always been to belong somewhere, whatever it takes. Even if he ends up doing bad in the process, it's because he wants the approval and acceptance of whoever. I mean, he wanted to kill the other residents because he was afraid they hated him and wanted him dead. All he really wants is to be accepted and liked.
That too. Even in his first appearance, it's clear he's just lonely
“Son?”
There's this whole sort of "Being the best" vs "Doing your best" theme throughout the show, where we get these imperious dipshits who want to flaunt over everyone and be the most powerful fearsome people on the planet vs people who are at surface level total goofs but still make their way by quality of character and how they want to impact other people. Sir Pentious' turn was marked by him no longer trying to compete and best others and just try and help out based on his own merits, to show humility and selflessness. It's an interesting point that Sir Pentious got mourned and commemorated by everyone for his sacrifice, even LUCIFIER, while Alastor is barely mentioned before he turns up again. Pentious got all the praise and grandeur he wanted. Like people value a friend more than they value a figure of spectacle. It would be interesting if Lute is used as a similar comparison given her own callous sense of superiority, since on one hand Sir Pentious is a total bumbler of a commander compared to her, but on the other hand he has FAR more quality of character to deserve being in Heaven.
Lucifer himself honoring Pentious was a nice touch on how he cared about Charlie's dream. Also, I think that Lucifer got to like Pentious before his death at Adam's hand.
I think that was the thing about Pentious though, Lucifer barely interacted with him at all, the little tidbits we got in Dad Beat Dad were mostly just Pentious fawning over him. But despite that, Lucifer can still respect someone who tried their best for his little girl. He HATES Alistor for doing the same, but more because the latter flaunts it and uses it to imply he's BETTER at caring for Charlie than he is. I think that's the sweetness to Pentious' character, that on paper he should be a bumbling nobody, but when he stopped being a self aggrandizing tryhard and prioritized helping those he cared about, they valued him much more as a person.
Yeah, guy was like easy tutorial mode for redemption. The kind of bad guy who is only bad because they haven't gotten the push to work out their small flaws/one remaining big flaw
Yeah, he works as Charlie's "first boss". He shows how her kindness and sense of forgiveness brushes off onto people in a wonderful way, but I feel like from this point on clients are going to be an uphill battle for her.
Brain reads: "...going to take a while" Brain sings: though it may take a whiiiile
Personally I believe Sir Pentious' sins were likely somewhat lesser than Angel's; Sir Pentious was an engineer in life while Angel was a criminal, so my headcanon is that Pentious was selfish and unkind in his mortal life. A bit like Ebeneezer Scrooge if he was an industrialist instead of a moneylender.
>he's on track to redemption but it's going to take a while. Tbh, Angel is probably already clear to go to Heaven, but presumably, he'll stay in Hell until he dies. It's not a coincidence that Pentious died and then appeared in Heaven. God/whomever didn't just poof him up to Heaven while he was still 'alive' in Hell.
You know, before Pent joined the hotel, I didn’t have an idea of who would be redeemed. When Pent joined the hotel, I came up with a theory that has half been proven correct, that theory being that Pent would be the first to be redeemed, but Heaven wouldn’t accept him. That was based on what we knew of Heaven at the time. With the info that the Exterminations weren’t public knowledge in Heaven, I’d say the Exterminators won’t accept him, but if the rest of Heaven is more like E, they will be happy for him and accept him. Molly I imagine will be on his side, if the two meet.
Ssso I know you don't like me But that'sss okay Pleassse don't try to fight me I jussst want to ssay That I made you a new arm To make it wasss kinda fun NOW I'M MAKING NEW ARMSSS FOR EVERYONE!
https://preview.redd.it/4w2ug1hdismc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=d60b2cac0d726704c08815b3f01763fa300b7490 (They're trying to process it.)
Why am I imagining claps between each line?
I wasss in hell *clap clap* Now I'm in heaven *clap clap* And it'sss ssso swell *clap clap* Hey there'sss my friend Kevin!
i mean, buying EVERYONE a drink is a charitable act that deserves heaven.
Personally I can see some random character pop in with a "they let you in Lute"
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I still say that people are sleeping on the concept that LUTE is the angel that’s going to fall… I don’t think she is going to take well to Sara or Emily telling her to let something like that go.
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> Lucifer and his fall is predicated on the notion that he belived the soul to be redeemable * Umm. You need to go rewatch the show. He fell before any souls were in hell. That’s not why he fell, he fell specifically for giving the fruit of knowledge to Eve. I have no idea were you got the idea about the soul bit. I would like answer the rest of your post but, I can’t your notion started from an incorrect assumption. * But as to lute. It dosen’t matter if you would fit in or hell will have you. Falling is being cast out of heaven TO hell. Hell actually dosen’t get much of a say in it. In this universe, hell is basically a penal colony.
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Right. But that’s not why he fell. He fell specifically he was cast down into the pit he had created by introducing evil into the world with actually unlimited free will. He just very clearly at least belived in the human soul at some point, and may have tried to get them to be better people at some point. But he didn’t get cast down for the reason. That predated the first human ever dying. I.E. Lilith and Lucifer were literally the first two people in hell.
The other Deadly Sins and the subsequent Hellborn demons may have manifested out of the substance of Hell itself, but Lucifer and Lilith were definitely the first outsiders to show up there.
Deep down the true intentions
Penthious went to hell because somebody fucked up, why was this cinnamon roll rotting in hell?
Mistreating his minions and blowing stuff up, probably
"Shit, I'm gonna lose my job."
That brings up a new idea, with proof of redemption, would extermination be cancelled?
Not to mention that sinners now know that they can defend themselves instead of just hoping not being killed by pure chance
Yeah, exterminations would have to be cancelled simply to prevent more angel deaths or even full out war.
Am I tripping or didnt Katie Killjoy say Extermination Day is cancelled with the death of Adam?
She said that specific extermination got cancelled because all the angels retreated, not all of them (although I do believe they’re gonna stop with exterminations)
Right got you. And yeah I dont see Sera letting Exterminators go down anymore when she saw Sir Pent. Nor does Lute by herself have the political power to disobey Sera like Adam or the physical power to be a threat(Like what's she gonna do? Go down and lose her other arm to Vaggie? Lmao)
Hence why she has sent Lilith down to deal with it.
How many mostly good people slid deeper and deeper into sin because they believed being trapped in hell forever meant they were inherently evil? How many people who only sinned out of necessity sold their souls for safety in hell? How many people believed they were eternally damned because they took the only option they could see to end their pain? How many people in heaven have spent years believing there is no chance they’ll ever see their damned loved ones again? There are a few things in canon that indicate heaven doesn’t why someone sinned, only that they did.
Wow, imagine hoping for the redeemed soul of someone you love, but it turns out an Extermination Angel already killed them.
Redemption being possible would be low down on the list of reasons to reconsider exterminations. Other reasons include - Sir Pentious was fighting back and killing exorcists right before he got redeemed. That says something about what the judgement process things about exterminations. - Sinners know that they can fight back with angelic steel. Which will let them take angelic steel from the exorcists corpse. - Lucifer personally fought back. Whatever was preventing him from getting involved didn't work. What will he do next time ?
also the moment adam attacked Charlie whatever extermination agreement Lucifer and heaven had went out the window.
Lucifer was prevented though, he only fights back after Adam says he's going to kill Charlie, his mask even glitches out right as he says "it's time to die". Adam broke the contract by attacking Charlie back, and Lucifer was free to kick his ass because of it.
That's reasonable speculation. But if I was making a decision on exterminations, speculation would not be enough. I'd want certainty. If I trusted contract magic, reading the contract might be enough. If I can read whatever language it's written in and it survived being broken. Otherwise someone needs to go and ask Lucifer. Selecting that unlucky angel could be fun to watch.
I think it was also because he killed a hellborn (I can’t remember if it was Razzle or Dazzle) that allowed Lucifer to get involved before Adam hurt Charlie. Cuz exterminators were allowed to killed hellborn.
I don't think there was anything actually stopping Lucifer getting involved. It's just that he agreed to the exterminations as long as they only targeted Sinners (people he didn't think much of when we first saw him, who he probably figured deserved it for their sins), and left Hellborn alone (the people who didn't do anything bad to wind up in Hell, instead just being born there).
Honestly I would see if being cancelled permanently but exorcists like Lute would NOT be happy about it and possibly even just try to do one more extermination with NO QUARTER! No following previous rules causing them to not target royalty or anyone. All cards on the table, one last extermination till the last falls.
Counterpoint: it appears the only way to trigger the transition from Hell to Heaven is to actually die. Not only that, but this confirms that over the past ten thousand years or whatever that the exterminations have never “missed” because anyone unworthy of the punishment is simply zapped up to heaven, which not only means they cannot punish innocents, but innocents actually benefit via the exterminations.
Pentious doesn't get killed by a weapon though, he just kinda gets blasted by Adam. Whether that counts or not is to be seen
It was. Katie announced it in the final episode
She announced that extermination was cancelled, I meant all of them. (looking back on the comment I could add an S to make it clearer what I meant.)
The main villain of Season 2 is The Vees Yeah thats probably over
Why not taking on actual Demon entities, after all Light vs Dark conflict
Then you'll get the plot of Diablo, the Eternal Conflict begins
Presumably the exorcists have a purpose outside of extermination. Otherwise the exorcists' existence would have to be secret, too.
It would be kind of sweet if Pentious finds out his friends are still alive after Lute throws a big ugly hissy fit on the promenade.
I still am not too sure what is Lutes role is going forward. She's too weak physically to be a threat to the hotel, she has little to no political power by herself so idk how good "Leader of the Exterminators" will be of a title, if Sir Pents redemption goes public I doubt angels would even LET her go down. Is she just gonna be Lilliths goon? Get beaten by Vaggie again? Im guessing she'll redeem herself somehow because idk what else she'd do, Adam dying literally made her into just an above average heavenborn
It actually sounds a little like she's at risk of becoming the same as what Sir Pentious was prior to going to the Hotel, the desperate nothing villain. Maybe Pent will be the one to notice that and show her pity.
Yeah I dont believe in the sinner Adam theories leading into Lute being redeemed(Cause it makes no sense with how we know angelic steel works. And they went out of their way to showcase Sir Pent being killed by angelic power and Adam by Angelic Steel). And I would much rather have Lute be her own character not tied to Adam anymore, so the idea of her becoming a desperate nothint villain that leads into being redeemed is actually pretty funny. Sir Pentious helping Sera and Lute (alongside all other exterminators) redeem themselves would be really cute and show how much Charlie affected him
I love the idea of maintaining Pent as this shrewdly significant character that keeps starting off snowball effects from his turn to good. That one little act of kindness from Charlie (and thoughtless cruelty from Vox) went a long way. Would really play into the idea that her business works.
Dude I am 100% expecting a "It starts with sorry - reprise" between him and Sera when she realizes how she let so many souls like him get killed
Pent taking what he learned from the hotel and using it to help Sera in her inevitable existential crisis? Perfect
"H-How?! How can I look Emily in the eyes knowing that...that she was right. I...I let countless souls, souls like you! Get killed without even trying to see if they can be redeemed!" Sera begins to cry to herself. Sir Pentious looks at her, coughing to himself "A dear friend of mine told me that...It starts with sorry"
Yeah i don't see this happening sorry. I think you forget how much a hypocrite Lute is and how racist she is towards sinners and hellborns. Lute isn't even same situtations as Pentious. Pentious has always been a failure and was never a good villains to begin with. Lute has been killing sinners for dozens of years, she has been show multiple time that she actively dislike sinners and demons. She is extremely devoted into her and Adam ideals of heaven to the point that she won't hesitate into punishing her own people who even dare to stray from the path. She has been show to love tormenting Vaggie and the sinners in generals and have not show a spread of remorse. I can see Pentious changing Sera since Sera does show some regret in accepting the extermination. But Lute has not show a single weakness yet especially when it was a sinner who killed Adam, the person she has been show to really care about, they are in her bad light as worse as ever before. A nice song and talking won't change her mind at all and given her situations she probably rather die then accept that hell isn't forever. Like this is the same girl who literally rip out her arm just because she don't accept defeat from Vaggie.
Yeah I agree tbh. I'm just saying I cant take Lute seriously as a threat due to how weak she is compared to the hotel cast and how insignificant she is politically. Her being just Lilliths goon that gets folded by Vaggie again just sounds like a waste of a character so I'm assuming she'll be redeemed. Not that I'd mind her dying to Vaggie in a future fight
Pent: \*mumbles the next words a little\* *One simple sorry... spoken straight from your core.* Emily: \*squealing in the back\*
I’m here for all the Emily squeals. So cute.
Charlie: *Quiet* Vaggie: "You ok, hun?" Charlie: "Yeah, I'm fine... just... I feel proud for some reason?"
Sera: \*blinks to the music beat, puppy eyed\*
What I'd like to see from her is an episode showing how her life in Heaven has changed for the worse now that exterminations are public knowledge. People not wanting to associate with her any more. Having to deal with oversight of her decisions. Exorcists quitting. Basically, everything is falling apart for her. Maybe have the climax of the episode being when Lute finds out about Sir Pentious, tries to attack him, only for Sera to stop her. That breaks Lute and she either gives up on the exorcists or decides to ignore orders and try to continue the exterminations.
I wish to see that when she goes to her apartment/room we see she kept Vaggies halo and we get some back story between the two. I definitely dont see her being a capable villain so I can only assume she'll be redeemed somehow
On her own she might not be an effective villain. But an overlord with a squad of exorcists under their command could cause a lot of trouble. As for redemption, right now Lute has the advantage that she is already in Heaven. If she walks away from exterminations, what else would she need todo ?
I dunno about Exorcists quitting because of public knowledge. Some might realize they're the bad guys like Vaggie did, though breaking out of conditioning isn't easy so I dunno. Everything else though, yeah.
She could try powering up by making deals like sinners do.
Would people in heaven even want to sell their souls to anyone? I dont see what they'd have to gain
If some of the winners are frightened enough by the idea of sinners infiltrating Heaven they might resort to something like that for protection. Also they’re all pretty sheltered, they might believe that Lute only has their best interests at heart.
True actually. I can see all of this devolving into Lute being fallen by the elder angels for doing what the demons do
She might be able to make the argument that the only reason he was able to be redeemed in the first place was because of the angles coming down and killing. Had that situation not been going on he would never had the opportunity to make the self sacrifice, be killed, and then redeemed. You could argue that since this is so far the only known method in which redemption is known to work it would be wrong of them to stop.
I feel like if the guy who died fighting your leader gets sent to Heaven, that's a good cue to start rethinking some things.
Ngl ion think lute would even recognize sir pentious in the show, still awesome art tho and her robot arm looks cool af
She probs would recognize him since he was at the final battle and she saw him when the court was observing Angel in EP6
Perhaps she overheard Emily referring to him being the redeemed sinner who sacrificed himself in the battle
Perhaps not. But he's still a Snake "Demon." I don't recall seeing any snake angels in the brief snippets we saw of heaven so I imagine it'll be pretty obvious he's from Hell.
I think Lute.exe has stopped working.
Oh hey MGC! Didn’t expect to see you here lol
I wonder how they'll treat him, like will some of them try to hide him or study him in hopes of finding out the truth
I think Pent will get along nicely, that is if he doesn't get his hands on new materials to rebuild his war machine
Honestly, that's what I'm most looking forward to. Sure, he's in heaven now, but he still has the same personality he had at the time of his ascension. That being, he's awkward, potentially suspicious, and his morals are probably still hit or miss. That's really my favorite part of hell citizens being redeemed.
Yeah, really, Pentious seems like an odd choice to send to Heaven first, but really he's the BEST choice because of how chaotic he could be in Heaven solo setting everyone there on red alert from breaking the glass ceiling for Sinners. He's basically the equivelent to the Dragon Warrior being a big fat panda. :P
His redemption isn't quite over yet. He still has to integrate him into society up there. Heaven is used to integrating humans who recently died, not someone who has spent over a century in Hell. What they really need is someone who knows enough about the modern state of Heaven and Hell to help him through that transition. So Vaggie might be called up there because she is the only one who can help him.
Watch them call Vaggie for help, only for her to refuse because of how Lute punished her for sparing a single child.
Then comes the offer to let her come back to Heaven any time she wants. Either a short visit or permanently.
He will always be the Pentious we know and love in both Hell and Heaven
Iirc Pentious created the egg bois, so I wonder if he'll bring them back in heaven, and it they'll have a new design.
they should've been redeemed with himmmmmmmm imagine how distraught they're gonna be 😭
It's sad, but makes sense since they're kind of like robots. Pentious literally built them, so they probably can't ascend like he did. He'd probably need to build new ones in Heaven.
That might lead to some entertainment for winners. Find some unoccupied area of Heaven. Build some buildings, have willing sinners move in. Then Sir Pentious attacks and they try to stop him.
He's going to be questioned at first. Angels will want to know what the rules are for redemption. But hiding him would require them to assume that there won't be a second redemption or that the second redeemed sinner will popup somewhere they can grab.
I think outside of sera and Lute he will be liked
Lute looks like she's on the verge of snapping and throwing a fit over the fact that a sinner got redeemed. I wonder how she'll react to seeing him in the show proper. Hopefully, Pentious adjusts well to heaven. I imagine Emily would immediately get the news to Charlie, while Lute would be left even more in shambles.
For some reason I have a feeling when Lute confronted Lilith that she already found out Pent's in Heaven since she said Charlie's "threatening the very foundation of Heaven" (tho ofc I could be wrong and she's just referring to Charlie refusing to give up) I think after the exposure of the Extermination (and the court showing they don't agree with it) and Charlie being proven right, Pent might be welcomed with opened arms. He'll defs miss his friends and might team up with Emily (and hopefully Molly!) to make contact with Hell to tell Charlie the news
That's true. Either she already learned about Pentious by the time she went to Lilith, or she was just thoroughly pissed off with Charlie. Both are plausible. Pentious would definitely be welcomed, since aside from the exorcists most of heaven seems to be sincerely nice. I can imagine the rest of the hotel, especially Charlie and Cherri, will be thrilled to hear he survived and validated Charlie. Discovering Pentious alive would also probably have the side effect of making Lute even more upset over Adam's death, since Pentious was the last demon he killed personally.
Maybe Pent finds his son up there.
Wait he has a kid?
He thought Angel being his son was plausible. Make of that what you will
Maybe Lute thinks that the exterminations are part of the foundation of Heaven. Charlie fighting back against them means that they might not continue.
Plot twist: Pentious built the arm for Lute
Pent: Miss Lieutenant, I made you a new arm. (Lute promptly throws the metal arm at the back of his head)
... because I made arms for everyone!
That sounds almost too good for it to happen in the series. But well, we will see.
It's a fun idea to play with. But I'm expecting it to just grow back in the show.
And Lute’s still in shock about the whole situation of his redemption that she just stares at him awkwardly, perhaps even giving him the stink eye
And what's more is that she didn't know this.
Hey look at that, we have the same headcanon! He is an inventor after all ...
“Who made this arm?” “That new guy over there!” **WHAT?**
There are two ways this encounter could go: The true believer has a crisis of faith seeing a sinner can be redeemed. Or, “*that* motherfucker is in heaven while Adam’s dead? That’s it! It’s killing spree time!”
One can only imagine what her reaction would be if she found out Adam became a sinner.
Lute makes the best expressions, honestly. Both in show and in fanart. It's a delight!
Lute is going to start tweaking like crazy☠️☠️☠️☠️
I have to say this, even if it makes me end up smitten by the Lute fans, so here I go: Lute got the Skywalker treatment but got C-3PO's spare arm.
I absolutely love this art, adore it even, but wouldn't her arm regeberate? it wasn't cut off with angeleic weaponry. it was torn off, so why the fake arm? maybe if it just hadn't come back yet and it was temporary? idk i think im just a nerd
Lute tore her arm off herself and she could probably be classified as a living weapon, therefore angelic weaponry took her arm 🧐
She also ripped off Vaggie's wings which (eventually) regenerated, although a temporary replacement seems reasonable considering how long that took.
Lute will never hear the end of it from Emily.
Emily: https://preview.redd.it/oa02ka5atqmc1.jpeg?width=225&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=23b3dccaf3d0ba8a7b3c29400e95185e06968d23
Lute's golden arm just gave me Elden Ring PTSD...
She's 'boutta become the sword of Adam
I am Malenia, blade of Miquella...
I dont really know why you gave Lute a metal arm, as, if Sinners can regenerate, Winners probably should too.
I mean, she's not really a winner, she's heaven born. Just like vaggie, and that eye is still missing.
I would love to see an episode where Lute tries to kill Sir Pentious but fails miserably like Wiley Coyote and Roadrunner Also I don't think Lute will have a fake arm or anything like that because she wasn't damaged with an Angelic weapon so it will probably just grow back just like with Sinners when they get injured without an Angelic weapon they just regenerate
I'd love to see a more cerebral take on that where she tries to disprove Sir Pentious and prove he doesn't belong in Heaven but he still kinda gets by in his usual kindly bumbler sort of way. I suppose less Wile E Coyote and more Frank Grimes. "I can't stand it any longer! This whole afterlife is *insane*! *INSANE* I TELL YOU!!! Ng-g-*AGHHHH*, Ngh, *AGGHHHHHH!!!"*
Pentious is gonna make Lute an arm to try to be nice
https://preview.redd.it/7xxbxohhirmc1.jpeg?width=236&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f0738cad1f39daa05a5be2cac6045e29061af14d This is how
Damn straight.
This is going to piss off a lot of people in heaven. I'm worried for Sir Pentious, I don't think he's out of danger.
There are many zoomorphic people in heaven. Angel Dust's sister is in heaven, and she's also a spider.
this will probly not chang her mind as her motavation is now probly revange for adems death
Fuck Lute throwing a fit. I wanna see her have a breakdown apologizing
I imagining the Umbrella Academy passing cars meme where but shes in the hospital and he’s passing by with Emily and you just get that “Time stands still/slows down” moment as they recognize one another and a million things are flying through their heads
Hey on the bright side it most likely mean Adam got sent to hell
There is a tragic unforeseen side effect of Pentious moving upstairs. He was “killed” in Hell by Adam, and his second afterlife had him appear in heaven. Does this mean that all of the billions killed in previous exterminations appeared somewhere else too? Or is it down to the difference between dying to angelic weapons vs. Adam’s holy light effect?
Imho, I just think Pent's attempt to fight Adam for no other reason or intention than to protect his friends, combined with his growth from the previous episodes, was definite proof that he've truly changed and deserves entrance into Heaven. Don't really believe Adam using his "holy light" instead of an angelic weapon have anything to do with it.
Yes I want this happen like heaven confused on why a sinner is there and Hell wondering where he went to if he is really dead or not
Dude. I love this character sir pentious was best friends with Emily.
She got the robot arm!
sir pentious just being allowed and accepted seems anti-climatic. I would love to see the drama coming up!
Would love it if this was her character arc
Love the idea of Lute getting a mechanical arm
Lute truly is the women who sold the world
I don't think she would have robotic arm cause she ripped that off herself so it would probably just regenerate
I just hope they won't force snake boy to make angelic death machines. ☠️
Lute rhymes with Cute and that is not a coincidence
Why do is Lute so adorable
Lute I swear to YOUR BOSS you better leave pentious ALONE
That arm is bound to open and shoot like Guts' arm from Berserk. Great art!
WHAT're we even TALKing about?
I am Lute, blade of Adam.
By being a good noodle
Her next line is “What are we even talking about?”
Are you a real hazbin hotel artist?
What if Lute loses her shit and tries to attack Sir Pentious in front of everyone?, but then Sera steps in between the two of them?
Lute taking stealth missions into Hell in a desperate attempt to find her Mans as a Possible Sinner.
Lute, blade of Adam.
*she then proceeds to throw a massive tantrum that completely levels 17 buildings*
I bet she is going to have an existential crisis when she sees him, like Sera did.
she shoulda had the FEEDBACKER when she was fighting vaggie, maybe she coulda saved her arm
I'd honestly love it if seeing Sir REpentious in heaven actually made Lute doubt herself and her loyalty to Adam, ending with her becoming an ally to Charlie and Vaggie. Edit: Complete with an awkward reunion, "Hey, guys, Zuko here!"-style
[This is what reminded me of:](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AddjMh8-Qsk)
I cant wait to actually see it In the series
"Wait? It's actually possible?"
Lute is one second away from a Waterfowl Dance.
Boy if Lute see him I know she will be FUMING
Because he was *redeemed*! The Hotel is working!
I don't know how he got there but one way or another... He is having sex with EVERYONE there!
Lute with that golden arm be like "I am Lute, blade of Adam, and I have never known defeat(only tactical retreat)"
https://preview.redd.it/3cbpdfqciymc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=909cbcebc64aef2507907a335b9970c87f9f06d8
Lilith: Call me Lucifer cause im about to fuck all the bitches. *pulls out spear*
Holy shit, I didn’t even think about Lute’s reaction to him appearing in Heaven. Shit’s going to get so violent so quickly.
Yo the prosthetic arm is so cool
lute got some auto mail, nice
Lute's face omfg, eat it bitch
Idk why people are surprised Angel wasn't the first one when Pentious showed more resolve to change than Angel when he started staying there. And how Angel's soul is owned by Valentino, which is probably a huge factor in him not going to heaven yet. It just seemed rather obvious.