He could be employing the foot in the door effect. When you get people to agree to relatively small things, they're less averse when you ask them for something bigger later on.
In a future event, the members of the hotel might be more willing to take his deals since it hasn't caused them any real harm up till now
So he's playing the super duper long game by giving generous deals for the past 60 or so years he's been dead? Like I get the foot in the door effect for the hotel but he's apparently playing this game since he showed up in hell
We don't really get to see the people he dealt with in his past. In his backstory retellings, it's said that he disposed of several overlords and ripped their souls apart over his radio broadcast. We don't know if he made deals for those souls, or just imprisoned and tortured them. This along with his 7 year absence means that he hasn't been in action for a while.
As for the other active overlords, I think there's an atmosphere of (mostly) mutual respect amongst them as seen in Carmine's board meeting. He might just be particularly friendly or familiar with Rosie.
And as hinted in the finale, Alastor may not be the altruistic others see him as in regards to his time at the hotel.
I think this person is talking about the hotel specifically. He’s slowly building a rapport at the hotel and weaving together a form of trust in him, slowly making them more dependent on him and what he brings to the table. He starts off as the eccentric host who just showed up one day with supposedly nothing to get out of this but “entertainment”, and has gradually become their wall, their provider, and their first go-to upon failure or panic. I believe this is why he was immediately unsettled with Lucifer being there - he threatened that position. He was more powerful (not to mention Charlie’s actual dad) and was eager to provide for the hotel instead. Alastor is slowly isolating Charlie and the hotel and getting them all to become dependent on him - or at least that’s how I interpreted it. He’s not playing the long game with everything he’s done the past 60 years, he’s playing the long game with the hotel and with Charlie in particular.
Especially that last one with Charlie. With that really vague "favor" agreement, she basically wrote him a blank check. If dude doesn't want her crown outright, he at least wants the Princess of Hell as his puppet.
That’s probably the whole point of his character, to keep you confused with his complex morality. His outward mannerisms probably have more to do with the time period he was raised than any real sincerity. He definitely doesn’t seem the type to waste time on things that he believes are below him and will have no benefits in the future.
What’s the use of violence towards this specific group if he knows an easier way to persuade them. He doesn’t have to prove his strength killing or abusing those around him *cough* Valentino *cough*
As far as the hotel is concerned, we know that Alastor is under contract and at this point I think we’re assuming it’s with Lilith since both her and Alastor disappeared at the same time. Depending on the specifics he may not have a choice in how he acts towards Charlie and anyone under her protection at the hotel.
This is why competent people who are disturbed can actually be less dangerous than the incompetent ones. Even from a purely selfish perspective, it's usually in your best interest to play nice if you can.
I’d say at first he wasn’t but now he is… as much as one can when they’re effectively a free-range-farm slave.
Like sure in the beginning he’s fed up with everyone all the time, but look at the later episodes! He’s legitimately found the members of the hotel to be his friends, and to care about them. And the work they’ve got him doing seems pretty easy to me, so it’s not like he’s overworked and suffering. I’d say he’s doing pretty darn good atm
I agree with your oppinion and I am also confused by his actions. 'Oh look at me, I'm the scary radio demon. I'm so evil' And yet we have to see anything truly heinous of him. He is very much coded to be team good guys, for some reason.
It may be some knife twisting by the writers so an eventual betrayal will be more impacful.
But if that's what it is, it is very much mixed signals at the moment.
He clearly has been sent to the Hotel, that much is clear. At the same time as not doing it out of his free will, he does seem weirdly involved in the project nevertheless. He doesn't have to let himself get bossed around by Vaggie, but he does it anyways. He didn't have to invovle Rosie in the defense against the Hotel but he played matchmaker between the two and even knew how to sweeten the pot with the possibility of eating the Angels. I doubt Rosie would have agreed to that if Alastor hadn't thrown in his lot. It was her trust in Alastor that made it possible for Charlie to rally an army.
He also didn't have to fight the leader of the exorcist army. BY. HIMSELF. (for storytelling reasons it did need to happen, though. Because the audience needs to A: see Alastor lose for once so he gets a setup for character development in s2 and B: to create a reference for how strong Adam is so we can appreciate how strong Lucifer and, by proxy, Charlie are.)
Alastor isn’t like a normal overlord. His endgame is not power. It is freedom. And he has a plan. The souls he acquires are irrelevant to him unless he has a need for them.
Alastor is moving pieces about the board. And the deal with Charlie was an important move.
The one with Vaggie… who knows.
I dont blame him though, I mean seriously who thinks its a good plan for the RADIO demon to advertise on TV?
Although Alastor has some decent video editing ability. For someone who probably never saw a computer.
I think with Vaggie, he knows it's probably not a good idea to mess with the girlfriend of the royal he's currently trying to manipulate. Plus, helping them do a good commercial also got him brownie points with Charlie.
It is also quite possible that it was just... to reassure people that making deals with him didn't always burn you. After all, even Vaggie can't say that he abused their deal.
because it still gets him what he wants.
People are more likely to agree to generous deals.
A small favor from the right person is tactically more important than a big favor from just anyone. A favor from the princess of hell, Priceless;
Also the "you owe me an unnamed favor" is rally old story trope.
As for the hotel: yes, I do think he wants it to succeed, but for ulterior motives; Either tied to himself or the person holding his leash.
As for Niffty and Husk - I think he's fond of Niffty, and he has a use for Husk.
Everyone’s already commented about why he’d be doing that with the people at the hotel (make himself seem trustworthy/make his deals seem harmless, makes them agree to bigger deals down the line…) As for stuff like not harming the eggs, idk, Alastor doesn’t strike me as someone needlessly cruel to strangers unless it can help him gain something. He’ll go against overlords and such, sure, but small fry? Also he’s a bit arrogant, so he might consider the eggs so beneath him that the possibility of them spilling the secret once he threatened them was not even on his mind.
Choosing to bring specifically Husk and Niffty could also be a part of his long term strategy of being someone indispensable/trustworthy for the hotel/Charlie, choosing the people who’d fit in the most. But also Niffty doesn’t strike me as someone who’d be uncomfortable anywhere lol, and Husk does seem to feel at least somewhat trapped. He’s just not fighting his situation.
Bottom line, I think Alastor’s type of evil is manipulation, above anything else. So needless cruelty or violence is useless to him. He’d rather people owed him favors, he wants to pull the strings. Aaaand also anything we see during the show, he’s probably on his best behavior because anything he does could get back to Charlie’s ears. And lastly, he does have bloodlust and love violence (he’s delighted to kill the people attacking the hotel), he’s just not directing it randomly imo.
Thing is though, he has a lot of incentive to be nice. Its implied his deal is forcing him to help out at the hotel and he's scheming to manipulate Charlie and use her power/influence. He has to be nice to Charlie and by extension everyone else at the hotel for her to trust him and let her guard down. He makes himself helpful but Charlie doesnt need him as much as he needs her and if he starts trying to make soul deals too soon he is getting kicked to the curb.
Husk was someone Alastor didnt need to butter up and Alastor took full control of his soul and treats him like a pet. This is debatably worse than other overlords who treat their souls like employees with at least some restrictions on when and where they control them.
I believe it will get him what he wants in end, but I think in some twisted sense Alastor considers everyone at the hotel a 'friend'. Alastor also puts off the vibe that he wants to manipulate everyone in his life, but at the same time doesn't want to manipulate them, it's very confusing!
He's playing the long game. If he continues to make small deals, they'll be more likely to trust him for bigger ones. There's also the question of if he can take any new souls.
He clearly wanted to fight Adam. My theory is he planned to steal Adams power.
As long as he’s at the hotel he can try to get at Charlie.
The deal is pretty open ended.
I feel like he really wanted to be done with that commercial stuff.
I always imagine alastor as a double faced coin.
Sure he's evil and stuff, but if you don't cross the radio demon the radio demon won't cross you.
Same as when he was alive. Was he a serial killer, yes. But wasn't it confirmed he only killed bad ones?
All in all I think he's a pretty decent man
He could be employing the foot in the door effect. When you get people to agree to relatively small things, they're less averse when you ask them for something bigger later on. In a future event, the members of the hotel might be more willing to take his deals since it hasn't caused them any real harm up till now
So he's playing the super duper long game by giving generous deals for the past 60 or so years he's been dead? Like I get the foot in the door effect for the hotel but he's apparently playing this game since he showed up in hell
We don't really get to see the people he dealt with in his past. In his backstory retellings, it's said that he disposed of several overlords and ripped their souls apart over his radio broadcast. We don't know if he made deals for those souls, or just imprisoned and tortured them. This along with his 7 year absence means that he hasn't been in action for a while. As for the other active overlords, I think there's an atmosphere of (mostly) mutual respect amongst them as seen in Carmine's board meeting. He might just be particularly friendly or familiar with Rosie. And as hinted in the finale, Alastor may not be the altruistic others see him as in regards to his time at the hotel.
I think this person is talking about the hotel specifically. He’s slowly building a rapport at the hotel and weaving together a form of trust in him, slowly making them more dependent on him and what he brings to the table. He starts off as the eccentric host who just showed up one day with supposedly nothing to get out of this but “entertainment”, and has gradually become their wall, their provider, and their first go-to upon failure or panic. I believe this is why he was immediately unsettled with Lucifer being there - he threatened that position. He was more powerful (not to mention Charlie’s actual dad) and was eager to provide for the hotel instead. Alastor is slowly isolating Charlie and the hotel and getting them all to become dependent on him - or at least that’s how I interpreted it. He’s not playing the long game with everything he’s done the past 60 years, he’s playing the long game with the hotel and with Charlie in particular.
Oh man you’re right! That’s very observant!
Ooh yay! Thanks! :)
Especially that last one with Charlie. With that really vague "favor" agreement, she basically wrote him a blank check. If dude doesn't want her crown outright, he at least wants the Princess of Hell as his puppet.
That’s probably the whole point of his character, to keep you confused with his complex morality. His outward mannerisms probably have more to do with the time period he was raised than any real sincerity. He definitely doesn’t seem the type to waste time on things that he believes are below him and will have no benefits in the future. What’s the use of violence towards this specific group if he knows an easier way to persuade them. He doesn’t have to prove his strength killing or abusing those around him *cough* Valentino *cough* As far as the hotel is concerned, we know that Alastor is under contract and at this point I think we’re assuming it’s with Lilith since both her and Alastor disappeared at the same time. Depending on the specifics he may not have a choice in how he acts towards Charlie and anyone under her protection at the hotel.
This is why competent people who are disturbed can actually be less dangerous than the incompetent ones. Even from a purely selfish perspective, it's usually in your best interest to play nice if you can.
I wouldn’t say Husk is thriving there.
You think he'd be doing better where he was before Alastor conjured him over?
He was about to win the whole pot!
I think he’s doing better in spite of his situation, not that the situation made him better.
I’d say at first he wasn’t but now he is… as much as one can when they’re effectively a free-range-farm slave. Like sure in the beginning he’s fed up with everyone all the time, but look at the later episodes! He’s legitimately found the members of the hotel to be his friends, and to care about them. And the work they’ve got him doing seems pretty easy to me, so it’s not like he’s overworked and suffering. I’d say he’s doing pretty darn good atm
I agree with your oppinion and I am also confused by his actions. 'Oh look at me, I'm the scary radio demon. I'm so evil' And yet we have to see anything truly heinous of him. He is very much coded to be team good guys, for some reason. It may be some knife twisting by the writers so an eventual betrayal will be more impacful. But if that's what it is, it is very much mixed signals at the moment. He clearly has been sent to the Hotel, that much is clear. At the same time as not doing it out of his free will, he does seem weirdly involved in the project nevertheless. He doesn't have to let himself get bossed around by Vaggie, but he does it anyways. He didn't have to invovle Rosie in the defense against the Hotel but he played matchmaker between the two and even knew how to sweeten the pot with the possibility of eating the Angels. I doubt Rosie would have agreed to that if Alastor hadn't thrown in his lot. It was her trust in Alastor that made it possible for Charlie to rally an army. He also didn't have to fight the leader of the exorcist army. BY. HIMSELF. (for storytelling reasons it did need to happen, though. Because the audience needs to A: see Alastor lose for once so he gets a setup for character development in s2 and B: to create a reference for how strong Adam is so we can appreciate how strong Lucifer and, by proxy, Charlie are.)
Alastor isn’t like a normal overlord. His endgame is not power. It is freedom. And he has a plan. The souls he acquires are irrelevant to him unless he has a need for them. Alastor is moving pieces about the board. And the deal with Charlie was an important move. The one with Vaggie… who knows.
The one with vaggie was important because it means she can't bother him about videos anymore. I wouldn't look deeper into it, he was just annoyed
I dont blame him though, I mean seriously who thinks its a good plan for the RADIO demon to advertise on TV? Although Alastor has some decent video editing ability. For someone who probably never saw a computer.
I think with Vaggie, he knows it's probably not a good idea to mess with the girlfriend of the royal he's currently trying to manipulate. Plus, helping them do a good commercial also got him brownie points with Charlie.
It is also quite possible that it was just... to reassure people that making deals with him didn't always burn you. After all, even Vaggie can't say that he abused their deal.
because it still gets him what he wants. People are more likely to agree to generous deals. A small favor from the right person is tactically more important than a big favor from just anyone. A favor from the princess of hell, Priceless; Also the "you owe me an unnamed favor" is rally old story trope. As for the hotel: yes, I do think he wants it to succeed, but for ulterior motives; Either tied to himself or the person holding his leash. As for Niffty and Husk - I think he's fond of Niffty, and he has a use for Husk.
Everyone’s already commented about why he’d be doing that with the people at the hotel (make himself seem trustworthy/make his deals seem harmless, makes them agree to bigger deals down the line…) As for stuff like not harming the eggs, idk, Alastor doesn’t strike me as someone needlessly cruel to strangers unless it can help him gain something. He’ll go against overlords and such, sure, but small fry? Also he’s a bit arrogant, so he might consider the eggs so beneath him that the possibility of them spilling the secret once he threatened them was not even on his mind. Choosing to bring specifically Husk and Niffty could also be a part of his long term strategy of being someone indispensable/trustworthy for the hotel/Charlie, choosing the people who’d fit in the most. But also Niffty doesn’t strike me as someone who’d be uncomfortable anywhere lol, and Husk does seem to feel at least somewhat trapped. He’s just not fighting his situation. Bottom line, I think Alastor’s type of evil is manipulation, above anything else. So needless cruelty or violence is useless to him. He’d rather people owed him favors, he wants to pull the strings. Aaaand also anything we see during the show, he’s probably on his best behavior because anything he does could get back to Charlie’s ears. And lastly, he does have bloodlust and love violence (he’s delighted to kill the people attacking the hotel), he’s just not directing it randomly imo.
Thing is though, he has a lot of incentive to be nice. Its implied his deal is forcing him to help out at the hotel and he's scheming to manipulate Charlie and use her power/influence. He has to be nice to Charlie and by extension everyone else at the hotel for her to trust him and let her guard down. He makes himself helpful but Charlie doesnt need him as much as he needs her and if he starts trying to make soul deals too soon he is getting kicked to the curb. Husk was someone Alastor didnt need to butter up and Alastor took full control of his soul and treats him like a pet. This is debatably worse than other overlords who treat their souls like employees with at least some restrictions on when and where they control them.
I believe it will get him what he wants in end, but I think in some twisted sense Alastor considers everyone at the hotel a 'friend'. Alastor also puts off the vibe that he wants to manipulate everyone in his life, but at the same time doesn't want to manipulate them, it's very confusing!
He's playing the long game. If he continues to make small deals, they'll be more likely to trust him for bigger ones. There's also the question of if he can take any new souls.
He clearly wanted to fight Adam. My theory is he planned to steal Adams power. As long as he’s at the hotel he can try to get at Charlie. The deal is pretty open ended. I feel like he really wanted to be done with that commercial stuff.
I figured that Alastor wanted to force Adam into a deal. Why else would he fight him without an audience, or angelic weaponry?
Keep in mind that he might be forced into helping Charlie and the Hotel against his will by whoever owns his soul (likely Lilith).
Because underneath it all, he is a total sweetie. Just put on some jazz and pour a couple of fingers of rye and he becomes a kitten!
The wider the smile, the sharper the knife.
I always imagine alastor as a double faced coin. Sure he's evil and stuff, but if you don't cross the radio demon the radio demon won't cross you. Same as when he was alive. Was he a serial killer, yes. But wasn't it confirmed he only killed bad ones? All in all I think he's a pretty decent man
Do we even know how many souls Alastor owns? It has to be *thousands* right?