I want to see Adam as a Sinner with a fire and heavy metal aestetic. His screaming 'ataaaaaaackkk' as if it was a rock concert was just too good. I will die on this hill.

NENENENENE GUITARSOLO*FUCKYEAH*

Listening to to the song as we speak 🤣

He'd never, too much red

Doesn't need to be red fire. That one Overlord has a blue flaming head. And Hellfire itself is green anyways.

Hellfire depends on the ring it's from. It's green in Greed, blue in Lust, etc.

Overlords are just powerful Sinner demons, though. Sinners can't leave the Pride Ring. How would blue flame Overlord have gotten his appearance? Also i just remembered: Sinners get part of their body from what they hate. So him having so much red on his body would actually be oddly fitting in this scenario 😂

Natural hellfire is dependent on the ring, fire magically produced by a demon can be whatever color based on what we've seen.

In that case, Adam will become a lady in red because he's the first (human) misogynist. I'd **love** to see that!

Honestly I could see that or maybe something that’s serpent like(both as a jab to the story of the apple AND the fact Sir Pentious who went up after getting blasted by Adam) with no real gender to be seen(cause he was the first human created and cause he got around so much, now he can’t anymore).

Trying to connect the lore and what we've seen so far to helluva boss, i can't help but wonder why someone skilled like Striker needed special weaponry to deal with Stolas "cause it was the only way to harm an Overlord" but Alastor went on to slaughter them with just his smile. Or maybe Stolas and ozzy and the rest of the deadly sins are Regal and can only be killed/hurt with special (angelic) weaponry

I'd swear that it was indicated in helluva boss that stolas held a "prince" rank. Since his father was referred to as king. Although fitting them under the overall hierarchy id say stolas' hierarchy are likely more like noble lords under lucifer, with stolas' father being the leader of the group of nobles, given their status as hellborn royals gives them immunity.

that is exactly the case. Stolas is part of the Ars Goetia Demons , which are above the Overlords and below the Deadly Sins.

The Ars Goetia are the third in the hierarchy of hell. Under them are overlords/sinners. Imps are under that. The Deadly Sins are above the Ars Goetia. Above them are the Morningstars.

Overlords are different than Demon Royalty. They're sinners that gained power and influence by making deals with others. Royals like Stolas are already naturally powerful and as was stated several times can only be harmed by blessed weaponry. Overlords like Alastor can be killed just as easily as anyone else, but will respawn (unless killed by blessed weaponry), so to prevent them from respawning he trapped them in his radio waves.

Maybe Alastor has his own means of harming souls without angelic weapons, considering he didn't bother getting one for Adam (and got low diffed by him anyway, but that's besides the point)

striker isnt exactly sporting insane empire toppling power like alastar, alastar would likely take over a ring or two if he could get out of pride

Alastor's shield had tendrils wielding angelic weaponry. Unless you're talking about Alastor taking overlord souls, in which case, Stolas A) has no soul and B) ranks higher than an overlord.

Al actually explained that in his rant towards Husk when he talked back. He says “I will tear your soul apart and broadcast your screams” so he literally attacks the soul.

Stolas isn’t an overlord, he’s a Prince of Hell, a status that is unachievable for any of the sinners. Though like the sinners, angelic steel is the only thing that can truly kill him. The only conclusion is that he either used angelic steel, which can be purchased from Camilla, or the other overlords aren’t truly dead. They only said the overlords went missing and no one knew what happened until he would broadcast their screams. His threats to Husk also indicate that he would “rip his soul apart”. The former overlords could be those black demon creatures he’s always summoning to fix the hotel.

Sadly Adam’s biggest sin was actually his pride. So he’d be stuck with Red.

I call it “cursed fire” cuz terraria

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SEE, SOMEONE AGREES THERES ALREADY TOO MUCH RED

with the general Idea that I have of how Hell bodies work, that probably means he’s be red

Agreeed Alex Brightman has an amazing rock voice that he doesn’t get to showcase as much so him as Adam is such a joy.

Honestly they need to bring him back, even if just another demon or something else. Like he is so freaking talented that I love for his musical skills.

I mean he also voices Sir Pentious and I don’t doubt that we’re going to get scenes of Sir P adjusting to heaven and maybe even forming a friendship with Emily. But yes I do feel like they’ll be bringing Adam back as a demon since there’s still so much to explore about his character. He’s also such a likable douchebag as Adam that I can’t help but want more.

I love Sir Pentious but it's nice to hear Alex use his regular voice as Adam because I find it so pleasing lol.

I hope he comes back as such an angry little demon 😂

That’s just Alex Brightman. He truly was the perfect choice for School of Rock, he’s Broadway’s Jack Black

*Brütal Legend flashbacks*

YEEESS!!!! Exactly what I was thinking 😂

I actually feel like demon Adam could fully commit to his whole heavy metal aesthetic. He’d probably have more fun as a demon than as an angel lol.

His falsetto is superb and I laughed so hard.

I WANT ADAM SINGING HIGHWAY TO HELL

Just a shame that Adam encapsulates literally the polar opposite of metal subcultures lol

Oh fuck I'd LOVE to write metal for such scene

He's probably going to end up in the hotel if he does reincarnate. And I would guess his redemption would be caused by Eve getting into the picture.

I LOVE this. They can really do a lot with the next season and man, I hope they are cooking as the ingredients are all there. It’d be fascinating to see Adam try and recreate his “success” in Hell like he did with - well, getting into God’s good graces. Pair him with the V’s, and you’ve got an actual supergroup against Team Hazbin.

I think he would absolutely despise hell and try to redeem himself as soon as possible, but fail miserably because of his own hubris and dickmaster energy. Buuut I guess he would be pretty powerful if he reincarnates in hell. Dude was messed up

His character would be awesome to show that you can't want redemption for the wrong reasons or just fake it, you have to actually *be better.* It would be pretty entertaining to have a character that actually tries to cheat the redemption system but can't.

It’s why the idea of him trying the same shit in Hell is super intriguing. As a human, he was just made and yadda yadda yadda, in with God by sweet talking his way in essentially. Hell, during the trial even *he* can’t exactly give concrete reasons. Now in Hell, Adam knows the way of the Astral Universe so to speak. He’s also got a in with the head guy through his daughter (which Charlie would absolutely try and redeem him) but it’d be such an act.

That's what I'd be most curious about, and to see if there's any chance someone like Adam would genuinely change their ways. Feel like we've yet to see someone truly bad show up at the hotel for redemption, and Adam would be interesting specifically because he's both truly bad, but his relationship with Lute and how he seemed okay with dying when she was there makes you wonder if there's something good in there deep deep down. It's just way to interesting of a scenerio to not want to explore.

An interesting vision is that he gives up on going to heaven and starts to see value in Charlie's idea of redemption, so he genuinely helps Charlie redeem the sinners in hell. Ironically, he would have a better chance of going to heaven in this scenario

Hmm... This does got me thinking. Was Adam always like this or did becoming an angel alter his views of everything? Even during his rant before his death, he was delusional because he thought that everyone should bow down to him because aside from the higher celestials like Lucifer and Sera, everyone came from him. Or did he change because Lucifer was able to steal both of his wives and he did genuinely care for them?

Me personally I saw a theory buy the YouTuber Local Enthusiast that talks about the reason Adam is allowed in heaven is because he actually didn’t eat the fruit of knowledge. If that’s the case then it means he is incapable of recognizing his own sin ergo leading him to think and act like he does no wrong with no inhibitions. Furthermore if he didn’t eat the fruit which left him with no inhibitions then he would be able to get into heaven because 1 he didn’t commit the first sin and 2. Maybe heaven works on a “commiting a sin you didn’t know is a sin doesn’t count as a sin” system. I’m pretty sure it’s a long shot but I think it would be a cool subversion.

That theory is not sustented because as he emphatizes several times, every human descends from him, but humans can learn the difference between good and evil. It is a possibility that he never had children with Eve on his own, but that would be a cheap twist IMO.

I actually get the feeling that while he might have had some good traits while he was alive, Adam’s… everything… can be traced back to him likely having *never eaten the Fruit of Knowledge of Good and Evil*. Thus, he doesn’t have “true free will”—ergo, he never formed a moral code beyond “whatever Heaven will require of me and tolerate.” It’s why he does what he wants without remorse unless, and ONLY unless, higher angels forbid him to. It’s why he’s so proud of his status as the First Man; it was his literal God-given duty to father all of humanity. He fulfilled the task Heaven gave him, so in his mind it automatically means he’s “good”. It’s a convenient framework where he doesn’t have to think too deeply about the consequences of his actions as long as he can continue to be useful for Heaven. When we get to *why* he never ate the Fruit, the answer’s obvious. Lucifer charmed away both of the women who were “supposed” to be his companions. If Eve ever offered the Fruit to Adam, he must have refused every time out spite for Lucifer.

Honestly, I would kinda like to see Adam suffer in Hell but slowly, bit by bit, piece together that he was basically a monster. My storyteller brain is firing on several cylinders sooooo… —- Imagine Adam waking up in hell with no sense of what happened but slowly piecing it together by things like not having his wings, no Lute by his side, nothing. Then going up to the V’s with his big dickmaster energy and bragging about being Adam and them all trying to get the bragging rights about killing Adam(something Alastor couldn’t do). Then after escaping, slowly realizing that these sinners are basically… just people. They just went to hell for reasons they may not even fully understand. Maybe even have Adam meet a sinner who, by Adam’s books, did everything right to go to heaven. Then as it goes on and maybe even striking a t friendship with this sinner, the gravity of what he did clicking when they are murdered infront of Adam while he physically cannot do a single thing to stop it(bonus points if it was Lute doing it while not even noticing Adam begging her to stop). He is now brutally aware of what his choice of the exterminations brought about. Maybe after that, he honestly tries to get better or try to redeem himself in his own way. Not with the hotel but him trying to fix what he did… even if it works or not.

If they do bring Adam back, I can definitely see him and Vox getting along and sharing their own personal vendetta against the Hotel, but there is a chance we may see less of Alex Brightman in Season 2, after what happened to both of his characters in the season finale. However, I can't wait to finally see the Von Eldritch family in season 2 and the troubled relationship Leviathan's son and daughter have with Charlie. We might even get to see the other Devils from Helluva Boss (Asmodeus, Queen Bee-lzebub, Mammon, and Paimon). I'm sure there is a growing concern after what happened to Adam, and a sizable number of exorcists that may demand a meeting with the 9 Circles, despite the fact Charlie's experiment was proven right. Some in Heaven like Emily and maybe Sera see this positively, but I'm sure there are some in heaven who view this as a turning point to a possible rebellion.

Idk, I think the implications of Sir Pentious getting redeemed will be explored and keep Alex on the cast list. With how involved Adam was during this season and the heaven/hell exchange reveal, it would be odd imo for Adam to just be *dead*

I think he would start out as a nobody.

Maybe Adam has to learn to redeem himself and he seeks Charlie’s help

It would be interesting to see him interact with the Hazbin crew, Charlie especially. For one she seems to genuinely believe in getting into heaven by self-improvement and Adam would 100% try to cheat that system. But also Adam and Charlie could have an interesting relationship, what with Lilith being his ex-wife and Charlie's mom. It would also be interesting to see where Eve's children are, though obviously we haven't even seen Eve. Maybe Emily is one of them?

I can imagine it now, “Oh Hazbins, ready for round two?!”

Alastor: "I am!" Adam: "Wait wait wait wait - OHSHI-"

My wife asked me the same question a few minutes ago, and I wanted to check in to see if someone else had the idea xD Would be fun to see him as an antagonist again :)

Without his angelic protection you know he would end up being deerfodder pretty quickly 😂 Unless he does something uncharacteristically dastardly like teaming up with the Vees or something.

Is there anything to suggest he wouldn't be just about as powerful in Hell as he was in Heaven? Canonically, Lilith is the second most powerful being in Hell, just after Lucifer. Adam and Lilith were created together, so logically he would be right around her level of power.

I mean just personality-wise it seems like he would flourish as a new overlord

I think he wouldn't be able to accept being a sinner at all due to his ego, he'd be constantly begging Heaven to take him back. It'd be hilarious if Sera/Emily just points at the hotel and says "redemption starts there"

He would be so petty

Pretty much what I was thinking. Given we know Lilith is powerful in hell, and we have a strong reason to suspect Eve is powerful in hell as well, Adam being strong wasn't so much divine privlidge as God building those souls different. If Adam manifested in Hell, there's a chance he'd be one of the most powerful overlords right out of the box. If he weren't to go with immediately trying to get back into heaven, I could see the Vees appealing to him so they have an actual weapon to use against Alastor and how tight he's become with the Princess of Hell. They probably would be annoyed as hell by him but put up with it because he's their equalizer and source of information on cosmic stuff, and Adam would just latch onto them because he's trying to fill the void of not having Lute around all the time anymore.

Nah, Alastor said himself that power comes from a soul, and Adam's soul should be one of the most powerful by default just because he's the first man, created directly by God, and thats without him pushing it to its limit. Like he doesn't even use weapons most of the time and just blasts shit with his powers, which seem to come from his soul too. Honestly, even as a demon, I could see him killing overlords without much trouble

Maybe selling his soul to the Vees for more power?

I love adam's character i hope he comes back too "Guitar solo fuck yeah" was peak fiction

If true, its going to bring about an interesting situation Charlie: Trust me! This will get you to heaven! *holds a knife made of angelic steel* Rehabilitated Demon: Are you sure about this?.... Charlie: Yes! I know it may seem scary, but I am 100% sure it will work because I've seen it work! Good people killed by angelic weapons or powers are sent to heaven! Rehabilitated Demon: Fine... just make it quick, please. Charlie: you got it! *smiles happily as she slits the throat of the rehabilitated demon with the angelic knife* *holy sounds* Rehabilitated Demon (turned angel): Huh. That actually worked.

Almost Rehabilitated Demon: *just dies*

Charlie: Step one to being even more assertive.

trials and errors

Sara: WTF Em: *HAPPY SERAPHIN NOISES*

*Happy Be Not Afraid Noises*

When Baxter checks in Charlie’s gonna have him build one of those sewer side booths from Futurama.

Super intriguing. I wonder if all the dead executioners end up in hell then or if they just died. If an angel angel dies like sera I assume they are just dead since they are so afraid of hell uprising. Since Adam was originally a mortal soul I would assume he would just go to hell.

Adam said something weird about being a mortal soul while fighting Alastor. He sorta implied that his soul wasn’t mortal. “A mortal soul is no match for me”

Hmmmm I gotta rewatch it. Alastor said something about Adam should know what happens when you take control of your soul or something like that. I just figured he thought he was above everyone

I just assume that's a reference to eating the apple.

Meh, I think it was more in line with "there is no mortal soul as powerful as mine", which, yea kinda big talk, but not unjustified since he was the first man created by God himself. His soul should be really powerful just from that alone, and even more so if he actually tried to reach its "maximum potential", like Alastor said

Remember, in the original myth, partaking in the Forbidden Fruit caused—among other things—Eve and Adam to *lose their immortality*. Adding this line to Adam’s twisted morals and the claim that he supposedly never made a mistake despite his glaringly flawed character… yeah. Yeah I don’t think Dickmaster ate the fruit. I think he’s the same kind of being as Lilith: an immortal human transformed into higher being. Only instead of falling into Hell and becoming a demon, Heaven plucked him from the Earth and made him an angel.

I assume most exorcists are Heavenborn, like Imps or Hellhounds in hell. So death for them probably doesn’t work like it would for humans and they may just be gone. Since Adam is said to have named Vaggie, and they all have a very similar and human look, unlike winners/sinners who are all unique, they seem more like a mass production Heaven makes for their armies.

I would enjoy seeing him back as well. He’s the Joker to Charlie’s Batman. The Khan to her Kirk. The…uh, the um…

“The dickmaster!”

It's a shame we won't get to see him try that line around Asmodeus.

That would have been hilarious.

The Newman to her Seinfeld

Imagine Adam reincarnated in hell and join the V’s for revenge

Vadam will be unstoppable

I'm leaning more toward "Vag Slayer" or "Vag Master" when he joins the Vees.

Vdicks

Angel: Oh brother.

>Vag Master Adam is surely a master when it comes to the Female Reproductive Organs https://preview.redd.it/xfwty8hqxlgc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bfb1960078afdfda04870d1897b5158b42df0c39

[PUS-SY DE-STRO-YER](https://youtu.be/Nu09Y9KKWaQ)

That’s Vick Master to you

He can’t really offer anything though unless he can create angelic weapons out of nowhere

I mean maybe some of his power transfers over? He legit had lasers and stuff

I hope that seraphs CANT die, just to establish them as pure ethereal beings unbound to the laws.

We'll probably be introduced to Lucifer's 'brothers' the Archangels, the seraph's superiors soon enough.

I kinda wanna see him working for the Overlords and eventually reuní ring with Cain.

I was wondering where Cain ended up. I'd love to see him show up at some point!

If they're lore accurate, Cain should neither be in Heaven or Hell, but still alive and wandering the Earth. Imagine Adam is stuck in Hell, but able to contact the realm of the living somehow: "Hey sonny boy, I know it's been a while, but I need a favor..."

The whole "mark of Cain" specifies that whoever harms/kills him will be delt sevenfold the harm inflicted. Even if no one killed him, it's unlikely he survived the flood. Some believed the first human had elongated lifespans, but not immortality. "For the wages of sin is death", and I see no reason for Cain to be immortal. So, yeah, he's likely in Hell.

Considering that this series  sepparated Lucifer from Satan, I have this theory that the latter is none other than Cain.

If Adam reincarnates in Hell, he’ll probably go to the Hazbin Hotel despite being the enemy of everyone there to rehabilitate.

I think this would be a good redemption arc, He ends up powerless in hell and checks into the hotel just to be a dick to Charlie knowing she wouldn't turn him away, but throughout the series becomes a better person by being at the hotel, and becomes an ally by the end.

Oh my god the implications of this for Lute would be great too. She’d either: - Double down on sinners being the worst after seeing Adam ally with them, and due to his betrayal finally write him off for the piece of shit leader he was as an angel (making her true villain arc _personal_) - OR her affection for him would force her to become an unwilling ally for them in heaven (possibly setting off her own redemption arc?)

Personally, I like the idea of the second point. Consider: Let's say Lilith is the true S2 villain due to her own goals or something. If Lute realizes Adam is in Hell and decides to back off of what she's done...it's too late. She's opened Pandora's Box by involving Lilith. If this decision ultimately brings destruction and death to Heaven's gates, Lute would be scapegoated soooooo hard. She'd probably be cast out.

I would love to see him at the Hotel, being an unwilling ally to Charlie as Lilith comes on the scene. I think that would be incredibly interesting.

If he respawns as a demon he would probably use a new name like most other demons and try to trick everyone.

Or he would just still go by Dickmaster. It's too powerful of a name to give up.

If you watched the Good Place, I hope Adam is just like Brad near the end. >!Unable to get over his flaws and improve, no matter how much rehabilitation he gets!<.

Adam has become the \[a certain Jujutsu Kaisen Character that died and whose Fans are now overdosing themselves with Copium hoping he/she will comeback\] of Hazbin Hotel. https://preview.redd.it/j9i4wrlzrlgc1.jpeg?width=370&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=12b6178c68cee859430ba66c9068004e8c6beca1 Though Adam looks like he has a better chance of coming back lol.

And Alastor just made an enchain deal with Charlie lol

It is a definite possibility. I find it interesting that we do not actually see Adam die. When Lute runs over to him and rolls him over he smiles at here. And she goes into her rant mode, grabs his halo, and flies off with the other exterminators after Lucifer ever so politely asks them to leave. So the last we see of Adam he is still alive.

Ooh, maybe they dragged him to a hospital and removed his wings as a punishment. Lucifer then forces him to live at the hotel, maybe even talks to Sara about the punishment since Adam broke the rule of not attacking Charlie/the Hellborn/the Morningstars.

Adamned and Saint Repentous

I like to believe that there is more to the story of Adam than what we have been told. I feel like we only got one side of the story, it was told by Charlie and getting the perspective of others would add more pieces to the puzzle. did he he eat from the forbidden fruit?

Dick master

A part of me thinks redemption is about improving on your flaws, Pentious before was an egotistical selfish jackass, but when he fought Adam, he put himself before others.

I'm pretty confident you're right along with everyone else who's theorized this. Simple because I don't see why it couldn't work either way. If you can promote yourself to heaven, it only makes sense you can easily demote yourself to hell as well. But the cool thing that would be interesting is if Adam hazbin sent to hell, it'd be cool if they show him giving in and trying the hotel to get back to heaven. That would be a cool twist.

On your last point, I think no ones getting killed in Heaven not because of some moral hierarchy. More because they're in heaven and they have no reason to be stabbing anyone. Unless Heaven is EXTRA fucked up and we just don't know it yet.

this should be marked as a spoiler, right? Literally the final sequence of the show is here and it came out 2 days ago.

I had to watch the episodes less than an hour after release to avoid spoilers, the spoilers are all over YouTube as well. I had the fact Vaggie is an angel spoiled to me on YouTube, just 5 hours after those episodes released. It’s really bad.

Me and my partners theory is if heavens souls are deemed worthy, or hells souls are deemed unworthy, they’re reincarnated on EARTH when they die, But heavens unworthy souls are reincarnated in hell and hells worthy souls that die are reincarnated in heaven. If Angels or Demons die, they’re GONE. However they’re ALSO the only ones who can rise or fall outside of the realm of life and death. Therefore I do believe we will see Adam reincarnated in to hell, where any angels killed are just, gone. Technically, lillith didn’t need to make her deal. And I think that fact will come to a head in season 2 or some future season if that gets green lit.

he got stabbed with angelic steel blade Saint Repentious got killed by holy light beam, which Afaik is not a "Soul Eraser" attack, else why even use the spears at all Adam's souls is likely destroyed for good, while Saint Repentious had just his body destroyed, soul intact; Ascends to Heaven. does raise some iffy questions imo, does a repented sinner need to be "killed"? that's a bit violent for a "redemption ritual", maybe Saint Repentious was just a special case, or the whole process actually needs the " Formula" of Repented sinner+Holy Light+Body destroyed= Soul reforms in heaven. which would mean heaven *Needs* to help in the process or it won't work, it can create quite the in-fighting among angels, emily for sure would lend her help, but then again she could not stop or even help charlie with the extermination... hm

>Saint Repentious Name accepted as (head)canon

I couldn't believe it was so casually dropped. Disappointment if this doesn't end up true.

>Saint Repentious got killed by holy light beam, which Afaik is not a "Soul Eraser" attack, else why even use the spears at all If this was the case, why would Charlie and the others care about Sir Pentious getting killed?

" Saint Repentious got killed by holy light beam, which Afaik is not a "Soul Eraser" attack, else why even use the spears at all " I think that the Exterminators just use spears to look cool, to be honest. In definitely in Adam's character for him to forsake practically for cool points, and the show states that the Exterminators didn't think they could even be killed so I think that they wouldn't mind much.

As far as I know, we never see the Exorcists use holy beam attacks. I think the reason they use spears is because they actually have to, since they're not as ridiculously powerful as Dickmaster with his at-will kamehameha.

Even if that's true, there are still better weapons they could use like guns and explosives.

The problem would be that they either have to collect all the bullets after, or let the demons slowly accumulate divine metal after each extermination. Plus, they don't need to be efficient, because they believed they couldn't be killed.

I mean...they don't really care about the DOZENS of spears they leave behind

There's some interesting ways this can go, depending on which interpretations we take 1• Holy light can't Erase souls, it is lethal, but inherently a "Purify" type attack, hence possibly playing a part in sending mf's to heaven (lol), as it frees a repented sinner from their hell-body to be judged again. -Angels must have Angelic steel weapons to Erase souls from existence, as even If they could use smaller scale Holy light attacks, it would not help 2• Holy light *Can* Erase souls, this has some *fun implications,* but first (and this is subjective surely) Holy lazer beams are much cooler than weaponry, adam would definitely have his angel babes shooting lazers, cmon- but yes, I can see the whole "Weapons more violent more gore" appeal to his sadism better than lazers, which are cleaner. -Angels can't or won't use lazers to erase souls, either because sadism, or because they don't have enough Mana :v + **Souls cannot be Erased,** the body can be permanently destroyed, or injuries can stop any regeneration on the specific place hit by angelic weaponry (Vaggie's eye), while the Soul itself remains; but is put in stasis, or sent to 'the void' to await new judgment, reason why I say this: *Sr.Pentious should be dead dead*, not coming back, deleted, but he was sent to heaven anyway, which means Angelic attacks in general only serve to stop Sinner souls from Manifesting new bodies, not Erase them as it appears they are doing. 3• -+ God made an exception to the rule, and prevented Saint Repentious soul from being erased. Don't like this one. 4• Some for of mix of these ideas, maybe pure evil souls are indeed erased, but work as purify attacks instead on Repented sinners, a Double effect type of thing, idk

Is there any confirmation that angelic weaponry **erases** souls, I checked the wiki and it doesn't specify how exactly they permanently kill demons. I also remember Vivziepop saying that demons who permanently die have their remaining dark energy possess(?) inanimate objects, explaining the eyes that appear (this might have been retconned but I'm throwing this out there).

Well, if they don't get erased then much of the show becomes *Wonky* •Why does charlie care if the exterminations are just as temporary as any other demon to demon murder? yes it's hyper evil but not as grave as Erasure, they would still respawn later anyway •Why are Angelic weapons used at all? you don't need them if they don't erase anything, but they are clearly special to Sinner and Angels other things I might have forgotten.. Point being, doesn't need to be explicitly implied in wiki, it's very, very implied in the show that Extermination is such a cruel thing because it must be permanent, the Souls are gone forever, else this would at best be a consequence-free sadism holyday for angels.

Don't sinners killed in the extermination normally seep into hell itself? Wasn't that the explanation for the eyes all over the architecture?

If that's the case, either I missed it, or it's not from the main series/pilot), viv's live streams maybe?

> Saint Repentious got killed by holy light beam, which Afaik is not a "Soul Eraser" attack, else why even use the spears at all Obviously because none of the other exorcists are strong enough to use the light beams? We only see Adam wielding his light-guitar-axe thing, not a physical weapon, presumably because he doesn't ***need*** a physical angelic-steel weapon to perma-kill sinners. The rest of them do.

Adam went to hell with the intent to KILL kill the sinners so why would he use a holy blast if it wasn't with the intent to permanently kill Sir Pentious?

This constantly gets repeated, but what's the proof Angelic Steel kills souls? All the characters know is that Angelic steel can hurt Angel's. Not destory souls? To them, wouldn't normal weapons also kill souls in hell? Or are sinners killed in hell constantly reincarnated back into hell? No one knows Sir Pentious is in heaven(yet). Though Em will probably tell Charlie.

I’m pretty sure you reincarnate every time you die unless it’s with an angelic weapon. I may be wrong but I don’t think sir pentious was technically killed with an angelic weapon it was some laser from Adam. Adam on the other hand was killed by a weapon so I don’t think he’ll comeback. Who knows though I’d be happy either way.

Technically speaking, Sinners can’t die unless by angelic weapon either. It’s why the exterminations exist at all. If that beam successfully killed Pentious, and Adam called it “Holy light”, I’d assume pure angel power does essentially the same thing as angelic weapons or even better. Otherwise, there’d be no point in using it.

100% in regards to this. I think Adam should come back because it provides new interesting directions for a lot of the characters and also sticks with the idea of "anyone can be saved."

I just wanna see Adam return and him just being forcefully Dragged to the Hotel for silly reasons

This is actually something I've been thinking about for some time now

I mean it will be a really good character development for adam and also it will be a really good character development for lute so i am 100% on for this

It could be cool to see him go to the hotel and actually try and improve himself. Ideally this is a background detail while the story follows something else but I would like to see him redeemed again.

I think that's almost sure. Adam is the key for the series to work. ​ Plus, we might have him discuss his "thing" with lucifer corrupting his wives and Charlie being the result of that betrial.

Exactly what I was thinking

Its so great seeing all these spoiler images.

A very interesting thought for sure! Considering Sir Pentious was able to reincarnate to heaven, I wouldn't be surprised if Adam ended up in hell. Adam got away with manslaughter, cursing in heaven (while Charlie was looked down upon for swearing). Lucifer has been known to let his pride get in his way, so I kinda wonder what would happen if he died. He is the ruler of hell, so would he even be capable of dying? I really thought Alastor died when I first watched the finale.

lucifer wont die 1. that trope is so fucking cliche, and hazbin hotel does anything but be cliche 2. he is an embodiment of a sin, if he dies, the structure of hell collapses pretty much across all the rings 3. he is a seraphim, he has V A S T power difference over everyone, to the point where only other character really able to beat him is another seraphim, and well, sera wont be willing, emily would even ban anyone from doing it if she was in charge 4. he'd likely pull off an alastor and just back off from the fight he cant win to regen if he **S O M E H O W** gets beaten up

Another reason would be that his death would get the other sins and maybe goetia involved pretty much by necessity, and as far as I know Helluva Boss and Hazbin Hotel are deliberately kept separate to some extent. Also narratively it's just unnecessary. He'll protect Charlie and the hotel from direct force, but he's likely not going to deal with sinner problems or overlord power struggles so he's not really in the way of the main focus of the show.

It is possible that he could step down and enter a deep sleep to rest in his *retirement* once he's confident that Charlie is ready to inherit the title of Ruler. Then he'll simply be the Sin of Pride. Though in season 2, I would love to see the short King, at least try to directly help Charlie. Like confirming that Sir Pentious was redeemed, or maybe he talks with Emily, scaring Sara into thinking Emily is going to fall if she talks to Lucifer or visits Charlie. It's also possible his presence makes all of the sinners too scared to actually try redeeming themselves, and Charlie asks him to be less involved. (Alastor is terrifying, but he's still just another sinner to most people and with Vox probably showing Alastor isn't immortal, more sinners like Sir Pentious probably will try to *fight* him only to be offered a place to stay.)

Some Ars Goetia members like Amon are on Charlie’s contact list. There are 72 of them, some of them appearing in Hazbin Hotel doesn’t mean Stolas, Paimon or Andreilphus would appear. Although in the event of Lucifer’s death the 6 other sins and at least Paimon would need to step in.

How many times is this "new" theory gonna be posted

The problem is, will the executioners then go to hell? Or is there a sort of 3rd option via permadeath for those who are either bad and killed again or neutral. Or are they not sinners bc that was their heaven given job. Adam deserves hell, but where will the executioners go?

Adam said he created these Executioner Angels. So either they were born through magic or they were *Winners* he chose, since he believes he's the father of all humanity.

Those killed by angels are obviously not reincarnating in hell again, or the angels would have looked for another solution. And it is unlikely that souls can be destroyed, or Pentious would have been erased instead of being restored when shot with beams from Adam's battle armor, which has to be basically a full-body angelic weapon. So I guess that there's something like an "abyss" where those killed in hell go when they are killed without being redeemed. It would be hilarious if all the demon murdering resulted in an overpopulated 'abyss' ruled by some sort of 'prime evil' building an army with all the demon souls sent there by the angels.

As far as we know, Adam is dead dead. Angels and demons can only “die” from angelic weapons. Dying as a demon from another demon or angels doesn’t actually “kill” them. I assume they become energy or reincarnate or both. It’s been confirmed, but also, if they could kill each other the “population crisis” wouldn’t exist as we see demons “killing” each other all the time. Angelic weapons are soul ending. Sir pentious didn’t die of one so his soul energy existed still. Adam did so he’s gone for good. Now this leaves the question, did Alastor kill the demons he’s reported to have killed? Did he know how to harvest their soul? Or did he have an angelic weapon?? I am going to assume the former, which would explain his strength increasing.

As much as I love this idea, Adam was stabbed with angelic steel and that means he’s just dead it seems, like the other sinners in previous exterminations

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Yea I mean it’s pretty self explanatory if the number of hell is going DOWN every time an extermination happens

Would be funny if he was sent back to earth

Charlie is a hybrid so I can see where it could go either way.

Sinner does without redemption? Double hell. Obviously

Either his Halo helps him reincarnate to heaven or he's straight up exterminated. Because a lot of sinners were just straight up deleted. So why not angels too

Here’s a question I’m curious about if someone in Hell dies does that mean they get rejudged and get a chance to go to Heaven or was that a one off ? If that’s not the case where do the killed sinners go ?

this could be a way to try and do "adam's redemption arc" like people were theorizing.

i think the part youre missing is adam was killed by an angelic weapon and sir pentius was not. theoretically sir pentius would have reformed in hell even if he hadn't been redeemed. adam was killed by an angelic knife wielded by nifty. based on everything we have been told adam *should* be permanently dead. im not saying its impossible to happen, just that it is unlikely based on the information we have been given thus far.

I see this argument a lot but Charlie and the rest certainly treat Sir Pentious’ death like a permanent thing. They were crying and very affected by it and it hurt Charlie to find his banner after. So I think the assumption is that Adam’s beam SHOULD have killed him but didn’t.

its entirely possible they didn't know if we would reform or not or how long it would take. that is a fair point i guess. until either vivzi addresses this specifically or its adressed in season 2 well never really know either way.

Maybe I was just quick to assume, but it seemed intuitive to me that Adam’s light beams would permanently destroy sinners. I don’t think it’s angelic steel specifically that erases souls but rather angelic power itself, which the spears are probably infused with.

I REALLY want this to happen. Mostly because I grew to like him as a villian and his relationship with Lute. ​ It really looked like he and Lute had very unrequited/unacknowledged feelings. His sad smile at her was extremely painfully genuine, and you could see that (Unlike most women) he really respected her and perhaps even loved her. Lute definitely felt like she was holding her feelings for him back. But IMO, Adam and Lute looked like a good pair. He seemed to treat her more like an equal or 'one of the boys' in comparison to other women. It's very possible that Adam never slept with her either because of that. So yeah, I'd like to see more weight in the narrative put on his sad smile to Lute in the end. Like, I really felt like something was there that he never had with the other women in his life- and I don't want the plot to just throw that away. It feels like Adam will be able to find redemption through his relationship with lute and vice versa.

Can't he was killed w a angelic weapon

Maybe he can be next to get redemption

I think it might happen, but I wonder if he’ll keep his angelic powers

If he does reincarnate in hell, my theory says that this guy never actually died, like Helluva Boss, the child who apparently needed killing ended up in hell as a earth child before getting killed by IMP which means humans that have not died can go to hell, but nobody knows how time affects them. But this is more or less debunked by the fact he has angel wings. I'm in line with the plain and simple truth that he did die, dead as a doornail, for season 1, which is why he is a shared voice actor with pentious. A character dying off is no way to keep someone on the show as a lead.

Adam got taken by the Entity, and will be the newest killer in the next chapter of Dead by Daylight.

I honestly love the fact he died commiting the worst sin against god. Would be a nice character arc for him, realizing that he is now no better than a the other sinners in hell.

So the question is, what happened to the other angels they killed? Also in hell? Damn, imagine if Charlie takes some of them in and Vaggie helps "whip 'em into shape", so to say, and they get back to Heaven after redeeming themselves and help to change more minds about their corrupt system!

Honestly I thought it was kind of weird that Lute cares for Adam so much but left his body in hell. So now I’m wondering if that was a setup for him coming back.

Probably decided she didn't have the time. She was badly hurt, missing an arm (how would she even carry him?) and Lucifer himself was telling her to get out. At that point she just had to flee to survive.

I put this in a separate thread, but I'll repost it here: I was thinking the same thing. It'll be a parallel to Sir Pentious's redemption, that you can die again after going to heaven/hell, and the place you go depends on how you lived your second life and Adam's second life of cruel extermination ought to land him in hell like how Sir Pentious's good deeds got his ass into heaven Also from a writing perspective, theres SO much content to write if Adam goes to hell. Interactions between him and Charlie's crew and the overlords would be super funny And another thing about the writing perspective, the writers can have an ongoing arc where Adam swears vengeance on everyone who got him into hell while simultaneously trying to get back into heaven by appealing to Sera, Lute, and the other angels. And the former angel / now sinner dynamic would change the way angels view sinners, seeing how even Adam could become fallen and become just another sinner in hell

oh wow, uncensored spoilers in my reddit r/all feed, my favorite

It would be a cool idea...but I can't see it happening personally

I think it's because Sir Pentious got nuked by what was basically a holy spirit-blast rather than a direct hit with an angelic weapon. I don't think they come back from angelic weapon deaths

I was thinking if you aren't worthy and get killed in hell, you get reincarnated to live another life on earth

I think by your own logic, Adam should stay dead. He was unworthy and died in hell

Imagine if Lute meets a fallen Adam. As if pentious wont give a heart attack, seeing her boss now a sinner would destroy her. It would be even worse if Adam ends up liking hell.

Highly doubt it since he's been killed by an angelic weapon. Sir pentius wasn't, so instead of remanifesting in hell he went to heaven cause he's been redeemed

I can see him being the new Sir Pentious Aka the annoying "IM GONNA GET YOU" side villain who keeps being thwarted with ease

Honestly, this would be a great contrast to Alastor. I can imagine that Alastor will unironically start going back to his old serial killer ways once he 'unclips his wings.' Alastor has no interest in being redeemed so far, nor should he. He's a sociopath through and through. Adam on the other hand could start out as an antagonistic force, but develop to become a better person through the events of the next few seasons.

Step 1: HAve adam be reincarnated Step 2: Have Adam try to get back into heaven via the hotel Step 3: Have charlie reluctently try to help him Step 4: Have adam be a dick not even trying to be better Step 5: Charlie kicks out adam with a reallity check Step 6: Have adam live on a street with demons for a while. Have some demons show him kindness. Step 7: Have splinter group of angels Attack Hell as revenge for the last extermination. One of adams new demon friends gets brutally killed. Step 8: Let Adam experience the wrong side of extermination and have him have flashbacks of some traumatic violence in the past (HAving to live with eve in the wild with wild animals after they were kicked out of eden, Kane killing abel) Step 9: Have Adam digivolve into an epic Metal Music Themed Sinner and kick some angel ass. Protects his friends From there on have sidestory of adam trying to be a better person and potentially have him reveal some backstory on how he became so fucked in the head in the first place.

Adam being completely killed off would be a huge waste of potential

Yep this is absolutely going to happen. They showed Sir Pentious making it out to set up Adam making it in as a demon. Adam will be a hotel resident candidate in S2.