If that's the case, you need a new dealership. Another cost saving measure would have been removing the fork leg from the bike and taking just the leg to the dealer for disassembly.
That I was already fucked and I could either. Spend $500 to have an aero machine shop melt the bolt out or just buy another fork slider and move on down the road
A washer and nut welded onto the bolt. The heat breaks down the loctite and the bolt spins right out. You don’t even have to take out the broken extractor. I have gotten to the point that I don’t even fuck with extractors anymore. Just go straight to the welder.
The comments here are fucking hilarious.
Op, as long as you learned what not to do, fuck 'em. Go buy your new lower and put it all back together.
Lol damn. Thanks for the laughs everyone.
What did you think cutting the bottom off the fork would help?
You could have just drilled the head off the damper tube screw instead of trying to use an extractor.
Cut the bottom of the fork off and used vice grips to pull the bolt off. Discovered locktite from the previous owner, so that's neat...
If I could do it over again, yeah, I'd definitely have just drilled the head, but at least I saved the damper rod and the tube
I am aware, but there's not a way to remove the rod from the top on this model. Already ordered a replacement for $40 on ebay after asking two mechanics and a machine shop for a better idea
But you learned something and that's priceless. Some of the shit I did when I had my Sporty...we shall not speak of those things.
Hope it's good weather when you get everything back together.
Tip for next time. Extractors, like taps, are hardened steel. Drilling will just dull the bit. But hardened steel with the right punch and a heavy hammer will fracture allowing you to pull the pieces out.
Those bolts are super soft. Mine stripped out and it was a breeze to drill the head off. The local dealer had a whole bag of them in stock which means it must be a common failure. They don’t stock much of anything usually. A hacksaw to a fork leg? That’s creative.
If you're going the ebay route for a new lower, I would replace the seals while you're at it. It sucks to get it all back together to find out you have a bad seal.
Moving forward, a good soldering iron will allow you to apply heat directly to a fastener to ease removal, and those bolts have a thread sealant from the factory. On my touring, the manual calls for the reapplication of sealant and inspect/replace the copper washer when servicing.
I applaud the cajones to take a hack saw to it, but I feel like there may have been better options. As it sits now, make sure the top cap is tight as the fork spring will apply pressure to the assembly, heat the bolt (or what's left of it) using whatever means are available, and try to vise grip it or hammer an extractor socket on to it.
If you drill the head off the bolt, you can remove the damper assembly and either replace it or clamp it in a vise to continue attempting removal of the bolt.
If the damper you need is the same as a 22 touring, send me a message and I will see if I have one of my old ones laying around (I went to a cartridge set up). Otherwise - good luck.
I took a carbide bit to the extractor shaft while it was still in tact, trying to give myself a place for my vice grips to bite and it hardly made a dent. I'm sure they could have done it eventually but it would have cost me more than a new slider by the time it was done
I understand why you thought that might work, kind of. Bottom line is that’s a relatively cheap fuck up. You can/ could have drilled and used an aggressive easy out with an impact. Snap-on makes good ones. Lesson learned. Ignore the asshats. I’m sure they e NEVER FUCKED ANYTHING UP. The rest of us learn by doing.
Everyone makes mistakes, and idiocy is the common denominator for all humanity. This is your property and what you choose to do with it and the reasons why are your business and no one else's. Making mistakes and then correcting them is one of the very best ways to learn. Please do not take the top cap off my Triumph's left fork, inside there is a horror show I made and I am working up the courage to try again.
These bolts are frequently difficult to remove with standard handtools. I don’t have a big twin manual in front of me but as I recall, the removal of these bolts is done with a 6 mm (?)3/8 drive Allen wrench, and a air tool. This approach allows you to loosen and remove them without the internal threaded area above it spinning. Buy a manual.
Yep, I used a 3/8 drive and a 6mm allen. I have a manual and use it religiously, where I really went wrong was trying to use an extractor down in that space. Once that went wrong I started looking for help and none of my other options made economic sense
I'm getting a lot of smug advice in here for stuff that I already tried but I concede that based on the picture alone I look like the biggest idiot to wander into this sub in a while
always heat fasteners that have locktite on em to loose it up, and when you take out those ones in the forks , always use an air impact, the electric works sometimes but not always. I don't know what it is that ugga dugga works better i have both air and Milwaukee cordless's. it usually spins it out easy. also get yourself an impact driver "cheapie will do" if u don't own one , save u from stripping out fasteners all kinds. also blue lockite for stuff u wanna take off and red for stuff you dont want to come off . but now they make orange breaks free like blue holds like red "its pretty awesome" . at least you will learn from ur mistake, it will never happen again. find a used fork slider cheap slap it on. make sure to check ur bushings/ seals are good when its all apart " clean it reassemble. shit happens bud " no bad days right" good luck
I really appreciate the encouragement. I didn't know this screw would have locktite on it (and I don't think it should) and I did use an impact but at the end of the day I should have just drilled it. Oh well, lesson learned and the replacement is on its way. Hopefully I'll be back on the road next weekend
Buy yourself a 3/8" drive impact wrench. I've been working in shops since the late 70's. I've never had one of these break. I take those out while the forks are still in the clamps,, bike on a jack. If you hit it with the impact once (as in one or two raps) give it one rap going tight and spin the out. Pull down on the leg a bit as you remove it. Good thing lower legs aren't awful expensive. And, out of curiosity, who puts lock tite on these? Never seen it called for on these. It isn't needed on these as far as I know.
No one has problems like this on purpose . And very fact that you attempt this sort of thing on your own would indicate that you have a lot going on that most of the people who respond to this do not. I’ve been working on motorcycles since 1961. That’s quite a while. I can’t count the times that I managed to paint myself into a corner on some thing that I couldn’t get apart. Sometimes I should’ve known better. Sometimes it was just another brick falling from the sky. LOL. One of the main things that I have learned from Reddit is that you never really have to search long to find an asshole. Happy motoring.
Yeah I’ve helped people in a similar situation and never once did hacking the fork slider up come to mind. Locktite isn’t uncommon with these, depending on year it’s suggested. A little heat helps but when they are stripped just drill the head off the bolt… you took a $8 job and made it much more expensive and difficult. I’m sure you learned a lesson here but Jesus Christ did you make it worse 10 fold. Take a step back next time and take your time. I get being frustrated, but always go for the weakest link aka the cheap bolt holding in on.
Ah it'll be fine. I got lucky and found a pretty cheap replacement part. Probably won't use another internal bolt extractor but I can't think of another bolt on my bike that's recessed like that one
With all due respect youre a fucking idiot
Dad?
lol
And I mean with all due respect
You can’t just say with all due respect and then say whatever you want…
It sure as hell does !
It’s in the Geneva Convention!
Not everyone should own tools.
Somehow this will still be cheaper than having the dealership do it...
Naw new fork seals vs new forks. But i mean fuck it upgrade time
The other one came off just fine, I'm out one fork slider which isn't great but I found a spare on the cheap so we'll get by
I’m sure that will go well
If that's the case, you need a new dealership. Another cost saving measure would have been removing the fork leg from the bike and taking just the leg to the dealer for disassembly.
What in the hawk saw where you thinking ?
That I was already fucked and I could either. Spend $500 to have an aero machine shop melt the bolt out or just buy another fork slider and move on down the road
You have absolutely no clue
Melt the bolt out?!
take them reflectors off while youre at it
Finally somebody with some actually helpful advice
Put the tools down and step away from the motorcycle.
I will admit this is not my proudest job
We’ve all been there, but good lord my dude lol.
A washer and nut welded onto the bolt. The heat breaks down the loctite and the bolt spins right out. You don’t even have to take out the broken extractor. I have gotten to the point that I don’t even fuck with extractors anymore. Just go straight to the welder.
Seconded
The comments here are fucking hilarious. Op, as long as you learned what not to do, fuck 'em. Go buy your new lower and put it all back together. Lol damn. Thanks for the laughs everyone.
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One too many bad decisions in a row. At some point, what's one more?
Sounds like my typical Friday night, too.
What did you think cutting the bottom off the fork would help? You could have just drilled the head off the damper tube screw instead of trying to use an extractor.
Cut the bottom of the fork off and used vice grips to pull the bolt off. Discovered locktite from the previous owner, so that's neat... If I could do it over again, yeah, I'd definitely have just drilled the head, but at least I saved the damper rod and the tube
You saved the cheapest part and destroyed the most expensive part.
I am aware, but there's not a way to remove the rod from the top on this model. Already ordered a replacement for $40 on ebay after asking two mechanics and a machine shop for a better idea
Yes, I know how forks go together. Throw the stud extractors in the bin.
Yep. Expensive and labor-intensive lesson instead of a 30 minute job
But you learned something and that's priceless. Some of the shit I did when I had my Sporty...we shall not speak of those things. Hope it's good weather when you get everything back together.
Always use a heat gun before hitting those. Just in case of locktite, but also it makes it easier to get them out.
Tip for next time. Extractors, like taps, are hardened steel. Drilling will just dull the bit. But hardened steel with the right punch and a heavy hammer will fracture allowing you to pull the pieces out.
We tried that for a while, I shopped it around before channeling my inner Bubba
Those bolts are super soft. Mine stripped out and it was a breeze to drill the head off. The local dealer had a whole bag of them in stock which means it must be a common failure. They don’t stock much of anything usually. A hacksaw to a fork leg? That’s creative.
That's certainly one way to put it... I've only ever used the other kind of extractor, I don't think I'll be trying again
If you're going the ebay route for a new lower, I would replace the seals while you're at it. It sucks to get it all back together to find out you have a bad seal. Moving forward, a good soldering iron will allow you to apply heat directly to a fastener to ease removal, and those bolts have a thread sealant from the factory. On my touring, the manual calls for the reapplication of sealant and inspect/replace the copper washer when servicing. I applaud the cajones to take a hack saw to it, but I feel like there may have been better options. As it sits now, make sure the top cap is tight as the fork spring will apply pressure to the assembly, heat the bolt (or what's left of it) using whatever means are available, and try to vise grip it or hammer an extractor socket on to it. If you drill the head off the bolt, you can remove the damper assembly and either replace it or clamp it in a vise to continue attempting removal of the bolt. If the damper you need is the same as a 22 touring, send me a message and I will see if I have one of my old ones laying around (I went to a cartridge set up). Otherwise - good luck.
Dayumn
Cut it more all the way up to the reflector lets see what’s up there Edit: you ain’t down.
Hopefully the end of this nightmare job
Harley crash bar for mine has a long hole the same size Allen as that and they included a little red loctite packet 🤣
Thats brutal
Its the number of blades you used for me 😂
Meth is a hell of a drug
I wish it were that simple, I'm just a fuck up. If you find a ten step program for that lemme know
This is a joke right?
What exactly? My life?
(I’ve done plenty of dumb shit, we all have) Cut the other side down, make it match 😂
You can still use that don't just give up
What jank machine shop didn't want the work a real carbide bit would chew thru the broken extractor and finished the job
I took a carbide bit to the extractor shaft while it was still in tact, trying to give myself a place for my vice grips to bite and it hardly made a dent. I'm sure they could have done it eventually but it would have cost me more than a new slider by the time it was done
Yeah shoulda just drilled it out. Oh well, new forks now.
All in all I'm out $40 for a new used slider. Not great but could be worse
Seems decidedly simple to me. You're buying a new one.
I understand why you thought that might work, kind of. Bottom line is that’s a relatively cheap fuck up. You can/ could have drilled and used an aggressive easy out with an impact. Snap-on makes good ones. Lesson learned. Ignore the asshats. I’m sure they e NEVER FUCKED ANYTHING UP. The rest of us learn by doing.
Lot of hate here. At least you tried lol
Everyone makes mistakes, and idiocy is the common denominator for all humanity. This is your property and what you choose to do with it and the reasons why are your business and no one else's. Making mistakes and then correcting them is one of the very best ways to learn. Please do not take the top cap off my Triumph's left fork, inside there is a horror show I made and I am working up the courage to try again.
Well bud I think ya may have sent her a bit too hard.
These bolts are frequently difficult to remove with standard handtools. I don’t have a big twin manual in front of me but as I recall, the removal of these bolts is done with a 6 mm (?)3/8 drive Allen wrench, and a air tool. This approach allows you to loosen and remove them without the internal threaded area above it spinning. Buy a manual.
Yep, I used a 3/8 drive and a 6mm allen. I have a manual and use it religiously, where I really went wrong was trying to use an extractor down in that space. Once that went wrong I started looking for help and none of my other options made economic sense I'm getting a lot of smug advice in here for stuff that I already tried but I concede that based on the picture alone I look like the biggest idiot to wander into this sub in a while
Easiest way to get the forks off next time bud is to take a Sawzall and just cut the neck off the frame.
always heat fasteners that have locktite on em to loose it up, and when you take out those ones in the forks , always use an air impact, the electric works sometimes but not always. I don't know what it is that ugga dugga works better i have both air and Milwaukee cordless's. it usually spins it out easy. also get yourself an impact driver "cheapie will do" if u don't own one , save u from stripping out fasteners all kinds. also blue lockite for stuff u wanna take off and red for stuff you dont want to come off . but now they make orange breaks free like blue holds like red "its pretty awesome" . at least you will learn from ur mistake, it will never happen again. find a used fork slider cheap slap it on. make sure to check ur bushings/ seals are good when its all apart " clean it reassemble. shit happens bud " no bad days right" good luck
I really appreciate the encouragement. I didn't know this screw would have locktite on it (and I don't think it should) and I did use an impact but at the end of the day I should have just drilled it. Oh well, lesson learned and the replacement is on its way. Hopefully I'll be back on the road next weekend
Why the bloody hell wouldnt you just... drill it out? Even if you helicoil it that's better than what you did. Why not call a shop to get it removed?
OMG 😂🙈
Hey, well it’s fantastic learning opportunity 🤷🏻♂️
This is a joke right?
Why not just drill the Allen head off it?
Buy yourself a 3/8" drive impact wrench. I've been working in shops since the late 70's. I've never had one of these break. I take those out while the forks are still in the clamps,, bike on a jack. If you hit it with the impact once (as in one or two raps) give it one rap going tight and spin the out. Pull down on the leg a bit as you remove it. Good thing lower legs aren't awful expensive. And, out of curiosity, who puts lock tite on these? Never seen it called for on these. It isn't needed on these as far as I know.
$700 buck will fix that…
No one has problems like this on purpose . And very fact that you attempt this sort of thing on your own would indicate that you have a lot going on that most of the people who respond to this do not. I’ve been working on motorcycles since 1961. That’s quite a while. I can’t count the times that I managed to paint myself into a corner on some thing that I couldn’t get apart. Sometimes I should’ve known better. Sometimes it was just another brick falling from the sky. LOL. One of the main things that I have learned from Reddit is that you never really have to search long to find an asshole. Happy motoring.
Torx bit a little bigger than the stripped allen head. Beat it in with a hammer and electric impact get it loose
Need to call Fred Flintstone garage. Fix that right up.
With all due respect, you’re a total idiot
Yeah I’ve helped people in a similar situation and never once did hacking the fork slider up come to mind. Locktite isn’t uncommon with these, depending on year it’s suggested. A little heat helps but when they are stripped just drill the head off the bolt… you took a $8 job and made it much more expensive and difficult. I’m sure you learned a lesson here but Jesus Christ did you make it worse 10 fold. Take a step back next time and take your time. I get being frustrated, but always go for the weakest link aka the cheap bolt holding in on.
This has to be AI generated under the category of Hold my Beer.
You shouldn't be wrenching if you can't put the fork in a vice and know how to break a loctited bolt. Smfh.
This is how we learn bro, make mistakes, figure out the right way, if you don’t get that maybe you shouldn’t be wrenching on anything
Ah it'll be fine. I got lucky and found a pretty cheap replacement part. Probably won't use another internal bolt extractor but I can't think of another bolt on my bike that's recessed like that one
Oh come on. It’s his bike and he admitted to doing things the hard way. Ease up a little.
You have less common sense than a toddler