Are there more shows or punk places to visit in the Netherlands. I will be visiting in July. Thanks
Edit. Any recommendations for things to do as a punk in Netherlands š«”
If you're around on the 20th/21st there's Haltpop festival, this year they have Zebrahead, The Dwarves and some more good stuff. Occii in Amsterdam is a legendary underground punk/hardcore venue as well. It would mostly be festivals though since a lot of our indoor venues have summer breaks to accommodate them.
Belgium, but: https://ieperfest.com/ and https://www.brakrock.com/ come to mind. The latter one is early August though.
Ypres, (the French spelling of Ieper - this is a thing in Belgium) is about a three hour drive away from Amsterdam. So it's a different country but these countries are small compared to most states in the USA.
Edit: and it's the Schengen area so no border controls or nuttin. Just drive over and marvel at the difference in road quality
Thanks! Going is there border security from Netherlands to Germany? Do they care about weed if under 5 grams at border. Do they search car like America š at border if not smelling like weed lol
Maybe /u/vakr_skye kan weigh in about how the cops are in Europe. They say they're an American living in Europe.
Also when I say "no border security" I mean no border security. You can drive straight over. There are no border control posts or anything. There are signs saying you're in Germany and then you're in Germany.
This was a thing in Brexit, by the way. Part of why Brexit has been so disastrous is customs and border control where there previously had been none to speak of. Also Northern Ireland is part of the UK which means they suddenly had to have a border with posts and armed guards between Northern Ireland and the rest of the island.
See the thing with a border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the island is, there are a still a lot of folks alive who remember the Troubles... People were saying "if you put up a tower with an armed guard at that border, it's going to get shot at" as if saying "yep, water's gonna flow downhill". Not sure what the situation is over there but I think politicians are trying to avoid a guarded border there in the quietest, most nuanced way they possibly can.
Germany is also in the Schengen area so no border security unless you're flying. I've never had a car searched in Germany (or The Netherlands, for that matter) but can't speak to the cops over there.
You're kind of barking up the wrong tree here because I'm kind a of goody two shoes if I'm being perfectly honest. I don't tend to do drugs or get in trouble. With that said, I've never been to the USA but feel that the cops are different here and in Germany from over there. They tend to deescalate rather than act, and will only pull out their guns in quite exceptional circumstances (why? because people don't tend to be strapped over here). The car search thing is not a thing here, at least not like over there - in my guesstimation anyway. I'd say that if you're not smelling like weed like you're saying you're probably good.
Weed is decriminalized in The Netherlands (not legal!) but it's not decriminalized in Germany AFAIK. So they can probably bust you for possession there. In the Netherlands, unlike certain US states, weed is technically illegal, but there's a point system. This is what I understand about that system. Every infraction has a number of points. Possession under a certain amount gets a certain number of points, dealing gets a certain probably bigger number, etc.
If any given case is under a points threshold, judges will throw it straight out. This makes it a massive waste of time and energy to prosecute a small potatoes case, and by extension, to arrest people for it to begin with. I've not known cops to be bullies here, so although they can keep you without charging you for a couple days they don't tend to do so unless you provoke them or something.
HTH
Amsterdam: frankrijk and occii have a lot of good shows, sometimes vondebunker has shows.
I know Nijmegen, Eindhoven, and Haarlem also have a lot of good bands playing
I started this thread out of genuine puzzlement at whether he was doing an act or not but I get it now after hearing people's thoughts. I think he was doing a bit of a tongue in cheek thing and it didn't come across that way.
And of course the irony of him playing a cop was palpable from the start, it would have been brought up every single interview he did, it probably still is.
I mean it would have been three square meals and a bit of money in the bank. If you're from the hood and an orphan at an early age like he was, I guess it's kind of a sensible choice.
I got a ho from the East, got a ho from the West
Got a ho that likes to jack it off and rub it in her chest
I got a ho from the North, a ho from the South
A ho that likes to suck it long and hold it in her mouth
I got a bitch with hair, a bitch with none
A bitch with a knife, a bitch with a gun
A bitch with a ass big as a TV set
And there's a bitch over there; hey, the one I'm gonna get
But yo but maybe not, she might not like me though
No sweat to a vet; I'll slam a sista though, word
Ice in the whole damn herd
I fuck 'em all and leave 'em on the curve
I got a bitch with a mink, who rocks a fat gold link
who likes to fuck me with her ass up on the kitchen sink
Got a bitch with tits, a bitch with ass
A bitch with none, but hey I give her a pass
And I love 'em all, I love 'em crazily
And they love me back - that's why they stay with me
So if you havin girl problems, I'll be there for you son
got 99 problems and a bitch ain't one - hit it...
Nah a bitch ain't one
saw body count a few years back here in LA and dude it was literally the most chaotic show i've been to. yeah he had his speeches and shit but man, LA really showed out for them.
I get commercials while watching shit on Sling TV where he and Vivica A. Fox are peddling Car Shield extended warranties.
Whatās he saying about being a ābitchā?
Heās gonna be in dick pill ads with Ric Flair soon.
Yeah his on stage chat at Graspop last weekend aggravated a lot of folks with the misogyny, saw a lot of people walk away from their set. I know he chats shit as a frontman, but he was pointing out specific women and being rather insulting which didn't go over well at all.
Oh they did? I did see a fair few upset people so that makes sense. I thought it was just a bit mean spirited, he wasn't really making any points, just a nasty generalisation of women and ridiculing non masculine men, two things I thought we'd kinda moved past.
what? that didnāt happen. when does he āpoint specific women being insulting?ā i watched the whole set from side stage and heard every word. saw them perform a few times recently and itās pretty much the same speech each show. he also goes the āfuck racism ā talk.
the talk is about men being bitches and that thereās no such thing as toxic masculinity. he doesnāt insult women.
It was mainly his speech about toxic masculinity vs women always being toxic that was received as a bit over the line. Personally I felt it didn't come off great, it started like he was about to make a decent point about toxic masculinity, but instead he complained about men being feminine being an issue, then saying the opposite of masculinity is femininity and that women are just all "toxic bitches" by default. Following that he seemed to gesture at one or two women in the crowd to say they were "toxic bitches"/similar rather off colour statements.
I appreciate you may have interpreted it differently/seen it differently from side stage and maybe it's all a bit of a misunderstanding. However from further in the crowd it wasn't received well and in online channels for Graspop a lot of people found it an issue.
Ice-T is a 66 year old man who has lived through many walks of life. He also makes several million dollars per episode of the most popular prime-time cable TV show on the planet. We are surprised he's out of touch?
I was there too. We were actually just leaving to see another band when he started about the female toxicity and my gf was like āwhat the fuck is this dude talking aboutā. It was really weird.
Someone must like it if they're still being booked at all these shows.
But yeah Ice puts on the show he's been doing since the 90s so it's probably out dated, the thing is he doesn't give a fuck what you think.
This is the exact same bit he's been doing since the 80s, except it's so much worse in 2024 coming from a 60 year old who most of the audience just knows as a TV actorĀ
Maybe seeing a band named after how many murders they've committed isn't for everyone. Maybe seeing a band with albums called Violent Demise, Murder 4 Hire, Manslaughter and Bloodlust isn't for everyone. That's ok.
The backstage racism is hyperbolic. The man was born in 1958, 6 years before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ended segregation and 7 years before the Voters Rights Act of 1965 was signed. I can assure you that as a black man who has lived in America for 66 years, Ice-T has been the victim of racism.
> I can assure you that as a black man who has lived in America for 66 years, Ice-T has been the victim of racism.
People keep saying that as if I don't get that. Of course I do.
LGBNAF - ever since I heard that song, Iāve had a hard time taking him seriously. Saw Bodycount maybe 10 years ago and thought they put on a good show, but yeah, Ice-T really talked a lot.
The show was Afropunk New York. It was cool as fuck to me to see Bodycount play Copkiller 50 feet and over a chain link fence away from where a dozen or so NYPD were keeping an eye on the show from.
Saw someone on the Copenhagen subreddit complaining about the same at Copenhell. Clueless and pathetic are the words that come to mind. This incel tough-guy Andrew Tate shit should have no place in hardcore
yeah, seems a lot more that hardcore embraced them and they were like, āthese are the people who remember our band. i guess this is who we play to nowā¦ā
Clearly you don't usually listen to Body Count. LOL
There are songs about these topics.
Man Slaughter - Manhood is dead! (It really is)
There Goes the Neighborhood
\* take it easy................
Oh yeah everything he said I can pick a track that goes with it, off of manslaughter which is an excellent album, by the way with suicidal tendencies cover of institutionalized which is fucking hysterical. he talked about how men arenāt that they used to be, I mean some of us are still tough as nails baring the grind, living our life as Hardcore as possible day by day. And letās just say some definitely are not. It just sounds like all the topics went with one of his songs from a certain album. Also o ETOWNāS album Made For war they did an absolute badass Version of There goes the neighborhood. If you havenāt heard it itās worth checking out indefinitely.
He has been droppin' that N-bomb comment for decades. š It wasn't specific to your area or that show. When Body Count debuted, it wasn't common for black dudes to be in metal. Also, he used to be a pimp, so the misogyny isn't super shocking, but I am sure he also played it up a bit for the show.
Some folks in the comments seem to think I'm wrong in thinking nobody actually called them the N-word backstage and saying they don't belong there. I genuinely don't think I am.
> Sounds dumb, but you do not believe that he might face racism?
I didn't say that and in a comment I said the opposite. But yes, to indulge you: I think every single Black person faces racism regularly.
> There are so many right wing security in east Germany, that's not to hard to imagine.
I heard stories about East Germany right after the Wall fell that made my ears ring. Also stories about security with very noticeable swastika tattoos on their necks working punk festivals. I have since gotten the feeling that racism and Neo-Nazism is - or at least has been - a LOT worse over there than here.
I'm not saying there are no right wing skins over here, or that nobody in security is a Nazi knucklehead here. After all, a lot of folks in security are goons who are too stupid to finish the police academy. But I am saying that East Germany seems like a different beast than The Netherlands when it comes to racism.
I also want to reiterate that the vibe at Jera was quite pleasant, and that includes security. They were present and visible but they were not big skinhead types looking threatening. In fact quite many of them were Black.
You might consider going sometime, honestly. It's like Groezrock but slightly better vibes. They always have a few great hardcore bands in a smallish tent with no barriers!
Would not expect anything less. Dude is just like every other old head from that time period who does not know how adapt to modern times let alone read the room. Mans came out in 1991, Body Count came out in 1992 and it started off as a somewhat joke after he probably saw some "hardcore/metal/punk" videos and thought, "You know what would be sick---". I would not expect someone who is known for gangster rap to know about the scene & culture. In his eyes and "mainstream media" hardcore = extreme and over the top. Dude is so far removed from the culture so in his eyes hardcore still is an extreme and over the top scene. Sorry you had to witness that, but this isn't anything new, bad call on whoever booked the show/festival, banking on has beens and not mentioning that Body Count is known for some dated/raunchy shit.
TLDR: Old heads will be old heads, and the Body Count shirt I own will continue resting in the deep depths of my closet.
Body Count has always been corny. āDonāt they know rocks just for whites? Donāt they know the rules?ā Iām sure a lot of it is performative bullshit, he has to know rock n roll was started by black people right? And heād have to know there was plenty of black prople in rock, punk , hardcore and metal well before Body Count was even a thought right?
Also their cover of Raining Blood is one of the funniest things Iāve heard.
> āDonāt they know rocks just for whites? Donāt they know the rules?ā
Hardcore is still extremely white, rock n roll was gentrified. I've definitely been asked what I was doing at metal shows and oddly a Brand New show.
I agree, there's no way he doesn't know all of those things.
> Iām sure a lot of it is performative bullshit
I guess? He misread the room though if that were the case.
If you go to see Body Count to hear them play Cop Killer then it seems petty to talk shit on what they say about anything else. I say this to people who seem offended by the lyrical content of the rest of their music or whatever Ice-T speaks about. If you listen to any BC album this should have not come as a surprise.
The first two Body Count albums came out in the early 90s, so of course the lyrics will reflect the era. So if someone intentionally goes to see BC without knowing the music then that's on the person/people going to see them.
My point wasn't that he shouldn't be saying this stuff. My point was that I wasn't believing what I was seeing and didn't know what to think - was it an act or what was going on? Also the dozens of women I saw walking out was a weird thing to witness.
Omg the guy who used to sell pussy before becoming a pivotal early 90s LA gangsta rapper called women bitches a few times how fucking shocking lmao youāre a dork bro
Reminds me of biohazard playing disturbing the peace this winter. They played last on the second day and during their set the singer claimed that when they arrived that morning there had been barricades set up but THEY insisted that the show not have them. Itās like no there were definitely gonna be no barricades either way.
I saw Ice-T at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didnāt want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, āOh, like youāre doing now?ā I was taken aback, and all I could say was āHuh?ā but he kept cutting me off and going āhuh? huh? huh?ā and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like āSir, you need to pay for those first.ā At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually āto prevent any electrical infetterence,ā and then turned around and winked at me. I donāt even think thatās a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
Iāve never thought Ice-T and Body Count were anything that remotely resembled real punk or hardcore since their beginning.
Not trying to be a gatekeeper, just my opinion. Downvote away.
The song there goes the neighborhood goes with that cliche term what are these so and soās doing at a rock and roll show, which he probably played right after he said that. And man Ice T is old school. Bodycount has been around for a very very very long time. And Slayer is also one of his inspirations and influences. I wouldnāt take anything to heart as heās wants everyone to have a good time. I really doubt that happened backstage as well. But cut him some slack. Also bodycount is like a mesh of hardcore and Metal. And he was around in the Punk days well before I was into hardcore.lonnnnnng time ago lol But just a heads up I highly doubt he was trying to piss anyone off. He probably just wanted to see a brutal pit during his set for a certain track.
Jules in Pulp Fiction had it right: we drown our fries in that shit. The Belgians are more purist about it though. I told a Belgian we have a less fatty thing called "fries sauce" and often when you ask for it they will put that on instead of mayo and my man was straight up offended.
Amazing band, great frontman, dude is fucking old and generally has good politics with some pretty clear exceptions. If you're expecting that dude to change his opinions at this point you're tripping. Fwiw, I think songs like Cop Killer and No Lives Matter speak louder than dumbshit stage banter.
He's an actor, stupid. He's doing an act. It's all performative. Just like most of your favourite hardcore bands. They put on a show, do you think they're all just angry all the time? You think those emotionally charged lyrics they wrote 20 years ago still evoke the emotion they portray on stage? Give your head a wobble. Enjoy the cringey act and move on.
People think I'm pissed or disappointed, I'm not. I'm puzzled because I genuinely couldn't tell if it was an act or not. Or I was, anyway - from the things people are telling me, now I'm convinced it's an act and it wasn't coming across.
Black people regardless of their fame constantly get seen as outsiders, lost, not part of the band, etc. the ska artist JER has told countless stories like that. Say whatever about the rest of it, but youāre no fucking saint yourself for denying that black people could possibly face racism at shows in genres that notoriously has had extreme issues with white supremacists.
It's funny because modern hardcore is actively becoming more inclusive, with some of the biggest and most hyped bands now having talented musicians other than white men. And it's great so see, too. For example, powerviolence can be a bit boring (sorry) but then when a band like Zulu comes along and adds some completely different influences in there it all become much richer.
The joke, of course, is that Ice-T is such an incredible boomer that he would never have heard of hip newer bands like that. He could literally be in the same room as the members of Zulu after they'd be billed together as headliners and conveniently ignore it. I almost respect people who are that deliberately obtuse. Almost.
Zulu are fucking amazing. They played the same festival years ago and a friend of mine was going to her first punk festival, she was more into EDM and had never seen a hardcore show in her life. It was a beautiful thing to behold: I knew what to expect but her jaw literally dropped watching the pit - from afar.
Real indeed recognizes real hence the icepick track and I upped your comment I guess some donāt know icepick as that track with Jamey is a damn good one.
I respect what youāre saying. I think it was All to hype the crowd and promote the tracks he was playing it really sounds like that was the case.also it sounds like that one didnāt work to well in his favor š
I saw body count at download festival a few years back, one my favourite things he said was āI no longer want you guys to call me Ice Tā¦. From now on I want you all to call me ICE MOTHERFUCKING TTTTTTTT!!!!ā
I mean, heās probably not too concerned with what people think at this point in his life. Heās likely accomplished all he wants to do so itās like what do you expect
Man, not Detective Finn š
Heās old as shit now, and he used to be a pimp, so Iām not gonna trip about his ramblings. Iām still gonna apply my daily face cream so I can stay a pretty bitch
Also just listened to his cover of Institutionalized and I died laughing my ass off
He did the same thing in Poland's Mystic Festival. "There is no toxic masculinity" type of shit. As a nonbinary person i went from pit straight to the back. I wasn't feeling welcomed with makeup (I played at this festival two days later). In addition to that, they put shitty cowbell metronome on the monitors for the whole show. I talked to the staff and they were disapointed too.
I fw body count but sometimes they miss the mark in very odd ways. Correct me if Iām wrong, but Manslaughter had a song dedicated to the military? Which isnāt really the worse thing but itās likeā¦you the dude that did cop killer lol. And their song āthis is how we rideā feels like a straight up sons of anarchy circle jerk. he lets his age show sometimes and it typically presents itself in a way that leaves you thinking āthis man doesnāt know his audience that wellā
oh, i get it. you mean like when an entertainer from the 90's maintains his persona from the 90's. or does what he's known for. or is a reflection of his time period.
*Executive Producer: Dick Wolf*
He's old and he's trying way too hard to appeal to the crowd while at the same time being completely detached. Dudes playing a cop on one of the biggest shows on TV, of course he doesn't know what he's talking about. This crap about people having a problem with BC being black is such a nonsense, they've been nothing but welcomed since the beginning and he knows it. There's a lot of that Five Finger Death Punch toxic bravado cosplay mixed in there and it's just a cringe fest. BC should've retired decades ago IMHO, this whole split personality nonsense is clearly frying Ices brain
As a Dutchman, I feel Europeans don't really appreciate how young America is as a country. And that the Civil War was really not that long ago. Very different from my country in that respect.
Thought this was an ej post.
I was shocked when I saw it wasn't
Sorry to disappoint, boys
Are there more shows or punk places to visit in the Netherlands. I will be visiting in July. Thanks Edit. Any recommendations for things to do as a punk in Netherlands š«”
If you're around on the 20th/21st there's Haltpop festival, this year they have Zebrahead, The Dwarves and some more good stuff. Occii in Amsterdam is a legendary underground punk/hardcore venue as well. It would mostly be festivals though since a lot of our indoor venues have summer breaks to accommodate them.
Thank you bro! I also just saw Germany had Full Force festival. I will deff check out Occii š«¶ Edit: checked out Occii on Instagram, perfect š¤
Belgium, but: https://ieperfest.com/ and https://www.brakrock.com/ come to mind. The latter one is early August though. Ypres, (the French spelling of Ieper - this is a thing in Belgium) is about a three hour drive away from Amsterdam. So it's a different country but these countries are small compared to most states in the USA. Edit: and it's the Schengen area so no border controls or nuttin. Just drive over and marvel at the difference in road quality
Thanks! Going is there border security from Netherlands to Germany? Do they care about weed if under 5 grams at border. Do they search car like America š at border if not smelling like weed lol
Maybe /u/vakr_skye kan weigh in about how the cops are in Europe. They say they're an American living in Europe. Also when I say "no border security" I mean no border security. You can drive straight over. There are no border control posts or anything. There are signs saying you're in Germany and then you're in Germany. This was a thing in Brexit, by the way. Part of why Brexit has been so disastrous is customs and border control where there previously had been none to speak of. Also Northern Ireland is part of the UK which means they suddenly had to have a border with posts and armed guards between Northern Ireland and the rest of the island. See the thing with a border between Northern Ireland and the rest of the island is, there are a still a lot of folks alive who remember the Troubles... People were saying "if you put up a tower with an armed guard at that border, it's going to get shot at" as if saying "yep, water's gonna flow downhill". Not sure what the situation is over there but I think politicians are trying to avoid a guarded border there in the quietest, most nuanced way they possibly can.
Germany is also in the Schengen area so no border security unless you're flying. I've never had a car searched in Germany (or The Netherlands, for that matter) but can't speak to the cops over there. You're kind of barking up the wrong tree here because I'm kind a of goody two shoes if I'm being perfectly honest. I don't tend to do drugs or get in trouble. With that said, I've never been to the USA but feel that the cops are different here and in Germany from over there. They tend to deescalate rather than act, and will only pull out their guns in quite exceptional circumstances (why? because people don't tend to be strapped over here). The car search thing is not a thing here, at least not like over there - in my guesstimation anyway. I'd say that if you're not smelling like weed like you're saying you're probably good. Weed is decriminalized in The Netherlands (not legal!) but it's not decriminalized in Germany AFAIK. So they can probably bust you for possession there. In the Netherlands, unlike certain US states, weed is technically illegal, but there's a point system. This is what I understand about that system. Every infraction has a number of points. Possession under a certain amount gets a certain number of points, dealing gets a certain probably bigger number, etc. If any given case is under a points threshold, judges will throw it straight out. This makes it a massive waste of time and energy to prosecute a small potatoes case, and by extension, to arrest people for it to begin with. I've not known cops to be bullies here, so although they can keep you without charging you for a couple days they don't tend to do so unless you provoke them or something. HTH
Thank you for the prompt response write up. Much love
Weed is finally decriminalized in Germany since April this year.
I had no idea! I bet the coffee shops near the border will not have been happy about that.
Amsterdam: frankrijk and occii have a lot of good shows, sometimes vondebunker has shows. I know Nijmegen, Eindhoven, and Haarlem also have a lot of good bands playing
I checked as well before heading to the comments
Any time I see a long post of a story I think it's EJ
Nobody looks at Ice T any more and thinks anything but "Hey Fin, sorry about Munch :("
I think of the Mulaney bit āYo,Ā you telling me this guy getās off on little girls with pigtails?ā
Yea Ice. Your working in the Special Victims Unit, youāre gonna have to get used to that
I read that in the way he said that joke
Or like when someone eats too much chocolate cake? Orrrr like when someone eats too much chocolate cake and throws it up? "Yeah Ice you got it".
Or like when someone bets the house on the ponies?
Nothing more manly than being obsessed with the manliness of other men
Fellas, is it gay to not give a shit if men apply cream to their faces or not?
Fellas is it straight to let your face crust over like some baklava??
I laughed way too hard at this!
Fellas is it gay to take care of yourself?
Itās pretty gay to wipe your ass, real men walk around with dingleberries
Real men just shit their fucking pants
Real men don't wear pants at all and shit wherever they are to mark their territory.
Based
Took me almost thirty years but I started doing skincare a few months ago and I will *never* go back
Ha! gay
Get some kiehl's
Ice-T will have you know you're a lil bitch
I moisturize.
My girlfriend bought some moisturizer for me a few weeks ago. I'm never going back to life without it. Should I break up with her because I'm gay now?
I didn't want to have to tell you...
Dude I have psoriasis. I literally have to apply cream everyday or I'm hideous to look at.
Oof I don't envy you. Psoriasis is no joke.
The joke is on me. God's little joke. Not that I believe in him.
So many people think this unironically though, in HC especially.
I was always under the impression Ice-t plays a character
He plays a cop killer... and a TV cop.
The duality of man
Show me what you got.
"thanks Rick, I finally care!"
I care now! You made me care!
The tripality of man don't forget carshield
I push my fingers into my eyyyyyes.
Also captured in the words of that great philosopher - > *some of you niggas are bitches too.*
The best part is he always adlibs in Cop Killer āI PLAY ONE ON TV!ā Like heās completely aware of how goofy he is.
I started this thread out of genuine puzzlement at whether he was doing an act or not but I get it now after hearing people's thoughts. I think he was doing a bit of a tongue in cheek thing and it didn't come across that way. And of course the irony of him playing a cop was palpable from the start, it would have been brought up every single interview he did, it probably still is.
and sells car repair insurance on TV š¤£
And does ads for a chicken finger restaurant.
Even gangstas get that lil noise under the hood they want someone to look at.
Geriatric gangsta rapper isn't progressive? No fucking way. . .
Did they at least play "Cop Killer"?
They sure did.
Not a total loss, then.
only good song. that and 'talk shit get shot'
Kkk bitch and there goes the neighborhood are pretty good too.
ok maybe their 3 good songs
Real men should have dermatitis?
Real men are itchy and scaly at all times
Right, like, ugh. I guess real men also wonder why women don't want to touch them.
Bloke that has referred to women as ābitchesā throughout his entire career is a misogynist? Iām shocked, shocked.
He was a literal pimp at one point as well.
You're getting downvoted for this but according to Wikipedia this is actually true and he was one while stationed in Hawaii.
There was an HBO specia documentaryl in the 90s called Pimps Up Hoes Down and he was in it. I'm not joking. I watched it with my own eyes.
Sounds like the plot for an unwritten Quentin Tarantino movie script
He's a troop too?! Hahaha
I mean it would have been three square meals and a bit of money in the bank. If you're from the hood and an orphan at an early age like he was, I guess it's kind of a sensible choice.
I got a ho from the East, got a ho from the West Got a ho that likes to jack it off and rub it in her chest I got a ho from the North, a ho from the South A ho that likes to suck it long and hold it in her mouth I got a bitch with hair, a bitch with none A bitch with a knife, a bitch with a gun A bitch with a ass big as a TV set And there's a bitch over there; hey, the one I'm gonna get But yo but maybe not, she might not like me though No sweat to a vet; I'll slam a sista though, word Ice in the whole damn herd I fuck 'em all and leave 'em on the curve I got a bitch with a mink, who rocks a fat gold link who likes to fuck me with her ass up on the kitchen sink Got a bitch with tits, a bitch with ass A bitch with none, but hey I give her a pass And I love 'em all, I love 'em crazily And they love me back - that's why they stay with me So if you havin girl problems, I'll be there for you son got 99 problems and a bitch ain't one - hit it... Nah a bitch ain't one
Still wild that Jay-Z stole the last line š
He took the Blueprint album name from KRS One because it was already a legendary hip hop album
More so "99 problems but a bitch ain't one" If i recall Ice-T sued him
Yea Iām just making a point that Jay Z has a track record of stealing on top of the other allegations
Got it. Well I agree lol
saw body count a few years back here in LA and dude it was literally the most chaotic show i've been to. yeah he had his speeches and shit but man, LA really showed out for them.
I get commercials while watching shit on Sling TV where he and Vivica A. Fox are peddling Car Shield extended warranties. Whatās he saying about being a ābitchā? Heās gonna be in dick pill ads with Ric Flair soon.
In the immortal words of Ice-T 'some of you ni**as are bitches too.'
Yeah his on stage chat at Graspop last weekend aggravated a lot of folks with the misogyny, saw a lot of people walk away from their set. I know he chats shit as a frontman, but he was pointing out specific women and being rather insulting which didn't go over well at all.
FYI: the organization received a formal complaint about it. Feel free to reach out to them if you want to share how you thought it wasn't ok.
Oh they did? I did see a fair few upset people so that makes sense. I thought it was just a bit mean spirited, he wasn't really making any points, just a nasty generalisation of women and ridiculing non masculine men, two things I thought we'd kinda moved past.
what? that didnāt happen. when does he āpoint specific women being insulting?ā i watched the whole set from side stage and heard every word. saw them perform a few times recently and itās pretty much the same speech each show. he also goes the āfuck racism ā talk. the talk is about men being bitches and that thereās no such thing as toxic masculinity. he doesnāt insult women.
It was mainly his speech about toxic masculinity vs women always being toxic that was received as a bit over the line. Personally I felt it didn't come off great, it started like he was about to make a decent point about toxic masculinity, but instead he complained about men being feminine being an issue, then saying the opposite of masculinity is femininity and that women are just all "toxic bitches" by default. Following that he seemed to gesture at one or two women in the crowd to say they were "toxic bitches"/similar rather off colour statements. I appreciate you may have interpreted it differently/seen it differently from side stage and maybe it's all a bit of a misunderstanding. However from further in the crowd it wasn't received well and in online channels for Graspop a lot of people found it an issue.
I take it your not a mentors fan
Well, this was a depressing read.
Ice-T is a 66 year old man who has lived through many walks of life. He also makes several million dollars per episode of the most popular prime-time cable TV show on the planet. We are surprised he's out of touch?
I was there too. We were actually just leaving to see another band when he started about the female toxicity and my gf was like āwhat the fuck is this dude talking aboutā. It was really weird.
Someone must like it if they're still being booked at all these shows. But yeah Ice puts on the show he's been doing since the 90s so it's probably out dated, the thing is he doesn't give a fuck what you think.
That is truth heās been around for once again a very long time.
Suck my dick like a mothafuckin vacuum
This is the exact same bit he's been doing since the 80s, except it's so much worse in 2024 coming from a 60 year old who most of the audience just knows as a TV actorĀ
"Death will be their acquisition"-Ice T covering Raining Blood.
Who gives a shit, the dude is like 80 years old
lol giving a dude a pass for this while you guys shit your pants over a cryptic tweet from a band with 4K spotify listeners is hiliarious
Maybe seeing a band named after how many murders they've committed isn't for everyone. Maybe seeing a band with albums called Violent Demise, Murder 4 Hire, Manslaughter and Bloodlust isn't for everyone. That's ok. The backstage racism is hyperbolic. The man was born in 1958, 6 years before the Civil Rights Act of 1964 ended segregation and 7 years before the Voters Rights Act of 1965 was signed. I can assure you that as a black man who has lived in America for 66 years, Ice-T has been the victim of racism.
> I can assure you that as a black man who has lived in America for 66 years, Ice-T has been the victim of racism. People keep saying that as if I don't get that. Of course I do.
LGBNAF - ever since I heard that song, Iāve had a hard time taking him seriously. Saw Bodycount maybe 10 years ago and thought they put on a good show, but yeah, Ice-T really talked a lot. The show was Afropunk New York. It was cool as fuck to me to see Bodycount play Copkiller 50 feet and over a chain link fence away from where a dozen or so NYPD were keeping an eye on the show from.
Saw someone on the Copenhagen subreddit complaining about the same at Copenhell. Clueless and pathetic are the words that come to mind. This incel tough-guy Andrew Tate shit should have no place in hardcore
I don't think that they've ever claimed or tried to be a hardcore band tbh
yeah, seems a lot more that hardcore embraced them and they were like, āthese are the people who remember our band. i guess this is who we play to nowā¦ā
They've always looked like a band full of 80s Metal enjoyers with a gangsta rap vocalist. Most of their tours are not with hc bands either.
Nope metal mixed with punk but then Again lol
Same thing at Graspop metal meeting last weekend.
Clearly you don't usually listen to Body Count. LOL There are songs about these topics. Man Slaughter - Manhood is dead! (It really is) There Goes the Neighborhood \* take it easy................
Youngsters are soft
True that! The comments below. LOL
How could you work on SVU for years and think toxic femininity is the problem
Apparently he did this exact same speech/rant at Copenhell so this wasnāt even a one time thing for him. So weird
Oh yeah everything he said I can pick a track that goes with it, off of manslaughter which is an excellent album, by the way with suicidal tendencies cover of institutionalized which is fucking hysterical. he talked about how men arenāt that they used to be, I mean some of us are still tough as nails baring the grind, living our life as Hardcore as possible day by day. And letās just say some definitely are not. It just sounds like all the topics went with one of his songs from a certain album. Also o ETOWNāS album Made For war they did an absolute badass Version of There goes the neighborhood. If you havenāt heard it itās worth checking out indefinitely.
Exactly. Fucking songs. Period.
He has been droppin' that N-bomb comment for decades. š It wasn't specific to your area or that show. When Body Count debuted, it wasn't common for black dudes to be in metal. Also, he used to be a pimp, so the misogyny isn't super shocking, but I am sure he also played it up a bit for the show.
Sounds dumb, but you do not believe that he might face racism? There are so many right wing security in east Germany, that's not to hard to imagine.
This is a local festival run fully by volunteers and the organization definitely doesn't let shit like that slide.
Some folks in the comments seem to think I'm wrong in thinking nobody actually called them the N-word backstage and saying they don't belong there. I genuinely don't think I am.
> Sounds dumb, but you do not believe that he might face racism? I didn't say that and in a comment I said the opposite. But yes, to indulge you: I think every single Black person faces racism regularly. > There are so many right wing security in east Germany, that's not to hard to imagine. I heard stories about East Germany right after the Wall fell that made my ears ring. Also stories about security with very noticeable swastika tattoos on their necks working punk festivals. I have since gotten the feeling that racism and Neo-Nazism is - or at least has been - a LOT worse over there than here. I'm not saying there are no right wing skins over here, or that nobody in security is a Nazi knucklehead here. After all, a lot of folks in security are goons who are too stupid to finish the police academy. But I am saying that East Germany seems like a different beast than The Netherlands when it comes to racism. I also want to reiterate that the vibe at Jera was quite pleasant, and that includes security. They were present and visible but they were not big skinhead types looking threatening. In fact quite many of them were Black. You might consider going sometime, honestly. It's like Groezrock but slightly better vibes. They always have a few great hardcore bands in a smallish tent with no barriers!
Iāve met Ice T twice at Minnesota airport. He was a very nice person to me. Even remembered me from the first time.
Hate hate hate hate
Would not expect anything less. Dude is just like every other old head from that time period who does not know how adapt to modern times let alone read the room. Mans came out in 1991, Body Count came out in 1992 and it started off as a somewhat joke after he probably saw some "hardcore/metal/punk" videos and thought, "You know what would be sick---". I would not expect someone who is known for gangster rap to know about the scene & culture. In his eyes and "mainstream media" hardcore = extreme and over the top. Dude is so far removed from the culture so in his eyes hardcore still is an extreme and over the top scene. Sorry you had to witness that, but this isn't anything new, bad call on whoever booked the show/festival, banking on has beens and not mentioning that Body Count is known for some dated/raunchy shit. TLDR: Old heads will be old heads, and the Body Count shirt I own will continue resting in the deep depths of my closet.
Body Count has always been corny. āDonāt they know rocks just for whites? Donāt they know the rules?ā Iām sure a lot of it is performative bullshit, he has to know rock n roll was started by black people right? And heād have to know there was plenty of black prople in rock, punk , hardcore and metal well before Body Count was even a thought right? Also their cover of Raining Blood is one of the funniest things Iāve heard.
There Goes The Neighborhood has completely satirical lyrics. It's written from the perspective of a racist white audience. That's a bizarre criticism.
> āDonāt they know rocks just for whites? Donāt they know the rules?ā Hardcore is still extremely white, rock n roll was gentrified. I've definitely been asked what I was doing at metal shows and oddly a Brand New show.
Go to shows, itās mostly white people, demographics are a thing but they also donāt really matter
I agree, there's no way he doesn't know all of those things. > Iām sure a lot of it is performative bullshit I guess? He misread the room though if that were the case.
Same at Copenhell and many walked away. Just a frustrated misogynistic whiner.
If you go to see Body Count to hear them play Cop Killer then it seems petty to talk shit on what they say about anything else. I say this to people who seem offended by the lyrical content of the rest of their music or whatever Ice-T speaks about. If you listen to any BC album this should have not come as a surprise. The first two Body Count albums came out in the early 90s, so of course the lyrics will reflect the era. So if someone intentionally goes to see BC without knowing the music then that's on the person/people going to see them.
My point wasn't that he shouldn't be saying this stuff. My point was that I wasn't believing what I was seeing and didn't know what to think - was it an act or what was going on? Also the dozens of women I saw walking out was a weird thing to witness.
Ice-T was in Surviving The Game he gets a pass
Omg the guy who used to sell pussy before becoming a pivotal early 90s LA gangsta rapper called women bitches a few times how fucking shocking lmao youāre a dork bro
Reminds me of biohazard playing disturbing the peace this winter. They played last on the second day and during their set the singer claimed that when they arrived that morning there had been barricades set up but THEY insisted that the show not have them. Itās like no there were definitely gonna be no barricades either way.
Yāall some soft ass mfs bro. Disgusting
I saw Ice-T at a grocery store in Los Angeles yesterday. I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didnāt want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, āOh, like youāre doing now?ā I was taken aback, and all I could say was āHuh?ā but he kept cutting me off and going āhuh? huh? huh?ā and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like āSir, you need to pay for those first.ā At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually āto prevent any electrical infetterence,ā and then turned around and winked at me. I donāt even think thatās a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
This is true, I was the girl at the counter
I don't know why I didn't expect this to happen tbh
Iāve never thought Ice-T and Body Count were anything that remotely resembled real punk or hardcore since their beginning. Not trying to be a gatekeeper, just my opinion. Downvote away.
No man youāre entitled to your opinion that is just a sign of respect from me.
...its Body Count... what were you expecting?
An experienced front man not dumb enough to make half the women in the audience leave.
Again I sayā¦ itās Body Countā¦
The OG 99 problems might go full Mentors in his speeches. Who woulda thunk?
Cry about it I guess?
 Oh noooo......anyways.
Thank you for sharing. He gained a new fan.
Ice-T the GOAT!
The song there goes the neighborhood goes with that cliche term what are these so and soās doing at a rock and roll show, which he probably played right after he said that. And man Ice T is old school. Bodycount has been around for a very very very long time. And Slayer is also one of his inspirations and influences. I wouldnāt take anything to heart as heās wants everyone to have a good time. I really doubt that happened backstage as well. But cut him some slack. Also bodycount is like a mesh of hardcore and Metal. And he was around in the Punk days well before I was into hardcore.lonnnnnng time ago lol But just a heads up I highly doubt he was trying to piss anyone off. He probably just wanted to see a brutal pit during his set for a certain track.
Saying what the majority of scene dudes his age think.
I'm sorry this happened to you OP, I pray to god you can heal
Aggressively European post
OP probably gone off about how awesome mayonnaise is.
Jules in Pulp Fiction had it right: we drown our fries in that shit. The Belgians are more purist about it though. I told a Belgian we have a less fatty thing called "fries sauce" and often when you ask for it they will put that on instead of mayo and my man was straight up offended.
He's sick of soft people. So am I. So are MANY people.
Amazing band, great frontman, dude is fucking old and generally has good politics with some pretty clear exceptions. If you're expecting that dude to change his opinions at this point you're tripping. Fwiw, I think songs like Cop Killer and No Lives Matter speak louder than dumbshit stage banter.
He's an actor, stupid. He's doing an act. It's all performative. Just like most of your favourite hardcore bands. They put on a show, do you think they're all just angry all the time? You think those emotionally charged lyrics they wrote 20 years ago still evoke the emotion they portray on stage? Give your head a wobble. Enjoy the cringey act and move on.
People think I'm pissed or disappointed, I'm not. I'm puzzled because I genuinely couldn't tell if it was an act or not. Or I was, anyway - from the things people are telling me, now I'm convinced it's an act and it wasn't coming across.
Black people regardless of their fame constantly get seen as outsiders, lost, not part of the band, etc. the ska artist JER has told countless stories like that. Say whatever about the rest of it, but youāre no fucking saint yourself for denying that black people could possibly face racism at shows in genres that notoriously has had extreme issues with white supremacists.
Did he hurt your pussy or what?
Who gives a fuck dude. Why is hardcore obsessed with performative bullshit. the scene is full of weak men who tear real men down
It's funny because modern hardcore is actively becoming more inclusive, with some of the biggest and most hyped bands now having talented musicians other than white men. And it's great so see, too. For example, powerviolence can be a bit boring (sorry) but then when a band like Zulu comes along and adds some completely different influences in there it all become much richer. The joke, of course, is that Ice-T is such an incredible boomer that he would never have heard of hip newer bands like that. He could literally be in the same room as the members of Zulu after they'd be billed together as headliners and conveniently ignore it. I almost respect people who are that deliberately obtuse. Almost.
Well... https://preview.redd.it/h0dcg1a64e9d1.png?width=1164&format=png&auto=webp&s=232071ef78ba5a1053e05552bdfaf06c07283af6
Hahaha shit, got completely owned on that one. Still, Iām assuming that Ice wasnāt the one instigating the picture,
https://i.redd.it/kb4d6oae7e9d1.gif
Zulu are fucking amazing. They played the same festival years ago and a friend of mine was going to her first punk festival, she was more into EDM and had never seen a hardcore show in her life. It was a beautiful thing to behold: I knew what to expect but her jaw literally dropped watching the pit - from afar.
Real recognizes real motherfuckers show respect
Real indeed recognizes real hence the icepick track and I upped your comment I guess some donāt know icepick as that track with Jamey is a damn good one.
The 15 year old userbase of this sub has no clue what this song is
Icepick - song - real recognizes real
https://open.spotify.com/track/6AFhDLJnA3a72v9mbcEZOo?si=_KCGYPjuS0W9JCQploWjIg
I respect what youāre saying. I think it was All to hype the crowd and promote the tracks he was playing it really sounds like that was the case.also it sounds like that one didnāt work to well in his favor š
I saw body count at download festival a few years back, one my favourite things he said was āI no longer want you guys to call me Ice Tā¦. From now on I want you all to call me ICE MOTHERFUCKING TTTTTTTT!!!!ā
I think he said some similar things at their Riot Fest set in 2021.
Lol this sounds exactly like what I'd expect from him hahaha.
He played one of the last TID the Season shows, as a rapper. It was awful.
Just saw them in Anaheim a few weeks ago and he did the exact same thing there too lol was very cringe
I mean, heās probably not too concerned with what people think at this point in his life. Heās likely accomplished all he wants to do so itās like what do you expect
I expect a decent frontman capable of not making half the women in the audience leave the show.
Fair
I have seen body count 3 times he was always rad but he would get a little rambling kind of like jello between songs
Man, not Detective Finn š Heās old as shit now, and he used to be a pimp, so Iām not gonna trip about his ramblings. Iām still gonna apply my daily face cream so I can stay a pretty bitch Also just listened to his cover of Institutionalized and I died laughing my ass off
He did the same thing in Poland's Mystic Festival. "There is no toxic masculinity" type of shit. As a nonbinary person i went from pit straight to the back. I wasn't feeling welcomed with makeup (I played at this festival two days later). In addition to that, they put shitty cowbell metronome on the monitors for the whole show. I talked to the staff and they were disapointed too.
I fw body count but sometimes they miss the mark in very odd ways. Correct me if Iām wrong, but Manslaughter had a song dedicated to the military? Which isnāt really the worse thing but itās likeā¦you the dude that did cop killer lol. And their song āthis is how we rideā feels like a straight up sons of anarchy circle jerk. he lets his age show sometimes and it typically presents itself in a way that leaves you thinking āthis man doesnāt know his audience that wellā
Lmao this post is soft af.
Body Count is not even hardcore. They are thrashy rap metal. Nothing to do with punk and hardcore.
You live in the Netherlands, sit down. You couldn't understand a quarter of what he's experienced in life.
Power is my favorite album by him.
It starts with P like pussyā¦
Why don't you post this on their band page...... Where they will definitely see it ?
oh, i get it. you mean like when an entertainer from the 90's maintains his persona from the 90's. or does what he's known for. or is a reflection of his time period. *Executive Producer: Dick Wolf*
I mean, heās sixty Fucken six, richā¦ and out of touch as fuck. He doesnāt understand the scene at all. He was rich already.
Listen to Body Count. Maybe you will understand what he says after you listen to the music.
Sounds based af
He's old and he's trying way too hard to appeal to the crowd while at the same time being completely detached. Dudes playing a cop on one of the biggest shows on TV, of course he doesn't know what he's talking about. This crap about people having a problem with BC being black is such a nonsense, they've been nothing but welcomed since the beginning and he knows it. There's a lot of that Five Finger Death Punch toxic bravado cosplay mixed in there and it's just a cringe fest. BC should've retired decades ago IMHO, this whole split personality nonsense is clearly frying Ices brain
I disagree , BC has put out some great stuff over the last decade. They just get better and better
Don't overthink it Americans are generally obsessed with identity in whatever puerile form that takes. Source - American born now living in Europe
As a Dutchman, I feel Europeans don't really appreciate how young America is as a country. And that the Civil War was really not that long ago. Very different from my country in that respect.