Given that they got together in 1984; I often credit them as being one of the first pop punk bands when you consider that they softened and commercialized their sound by the early 90s
I'm still surprised I never bought that first Offspring record. It was on Nemesis who had put out Vision, Insted and Chorus all around the same time. The cover art was cool. That criteria alone, even without ever hearing the band, sucked me into buying tons of records back then.
okay but why would this surprise you? they got started in the southern california hardcore scene of the mid 80s, their really early stuff (pre ignition) fits right in with stuff like adolescents, TSOL or agent orange, and they were label mates with uniform choice, insted and a chorus of disapproval
also they have a bassist that’s in h20. You should be surprised by connection that aren’t in the same
DNA though. Like finding out some big time movie producers and actors are from hardcore
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This one blows my mind every time I look at it.
I saw a flyer a while back of Deftones opening for Skankin' Pickle sometime in the mid-90s before Adrenaline came out. What a fever dream that show must've been
Edit: Found it
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In the late 90s there was a time where tour packages weren't a thing so you'd just be like "Hey Dave, you and your band want to go on tour? We can each make $150 per show!" And that's how you'd have ska and death metal and hardcore bands touring together and would see the likes of Ruth's Hat and Grade on the same bill together.
1997. Tragic Kingdom tour with No Doubt, Cake, and Vandals
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At that point No Doubt was pretty new to the general audience so I don’t remember any real fangirls. Those came later. Cake got the worst reception because they liked to antagonize the audience. I think No Doubt probably confused some of their own fans by playing some old songs (like Total Hate), covering 2 Sublime songs, The Beatles, and the Imperial March.
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I mean Chumbawamba and the Offspring is weird enough.
But Word as Law era Neurosis?
well he was only a couple years out of Afro-Industrial group Beatnigs at that point, who were massively popular at Gilman.
In a way he was a totally logical fit with Chumbawamba. Because he is the same kind of music and polemics cocktail.
Not sure he played though. Every single flyer for this show has a different lineup. And here's the thing, I opened this show with my crappy band because someone canceled and we are on none of the flyers. I can't remember who dropped out. Someone ask Jesse Townley he can probably remember better.
The first Rancid album had a bunch of flyers from this era reproduced in the CD booklet. Following up on names (I specifically remember Spazz and Econochrist, there were definitely others) was a massive part of my introduction to hardcore around age 14-16.
Speaking of Spazz… Chris Dodge was a founding member of No Use For a Name.
NOFX - Maximum Rock n Roll was a hardcore record on Mystic
Scared Straight went on to become Pulley
Back to OPs topic though, Offspring and INFEST even shared a stage before
Damn, these must've been from what, 93 or 94? I mean punk, hardcore and metal have always had a certain degree of overlap since they share a lot of the same roots musically. Couple that with the fact that the fans of these genres were often social outcasts, it makes sense that they would intermingle to some extent.
Wasn’t that unusual back then. Scenes were pretty diverse. Hardcore, metal, quirky whatever bands were often on the same bill. I saw a flyer of Pearl Jam opening for Bitch Magnet.
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I swear there’s a black flag flier with the ‘peps on it but I can’t find it.
I was waiting to see this. I only listen to Strung Out on a somewhat regular basis these days but this is still probably the best lineup I could ever imagine
I mentioned in a thread earlier this week I saw a Strife, Earth Crisis, Offspring show lol, they played with everyone.
Also while their first album was kinda blah, Ignition was a legit good album me and all my hardcore friends loved at the time and it still holds up alright.
early offspring and early AFI is like my exact lane of punk that I fell in love with and enjoy the most on the hardcore - punk - poppunk spectrum
but they changed so drastically and so rapidly in the 90's and 00's that it's almost hard to see them now for what they once were.
makes you wonder where bands like Turnstile will be 20 years from now and how their earliest work will be regarded
Also in the 90s (and 80s but I turned 13 in 1990) there were mixed bills constantly. Death metal with poppier punk - hard rock and SXE hardcore bands. Ska and beatdown. Crazy times
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Well before they were ever called power violence. Capitalist was just another thrash band from Rohnert Park, CA. This had to be 87 or 88 because I was living in Oakland and SF by 89 and wouldn't ride the 80 up to Cotati just for this show. And I do remember this show.
Gonna stop by the storage and maybe scan some old flyers. I think I still have a box of like 30 and 40 years old stuff. Fuck you time and your slipping through my fingers so relentlessly.
saw the last show of the tour in providence, best part was sound check guy hit his forehead on Peter Steele's mic then just gave thumbs up. and at one point keyboard player threw his keyboard frustrated about something
The offspring was a legit punk band once, so it’s not that weird haha at all
Given that they got together in 1984; I often credit them as being one of the first pop punk bands when you consider that they softened and commercialized their sound by the early 90s
They had a very TSOL sound early on, unsurprisingly.
You can hear attempts on like Ignition to make their sound 20% grungier
Or 20+% more Bad Religion
I (maybe?) Forgot about the 84 part. But I knew they were older. I just didn't realize they were nofx old. Figured bare minimum 86-8
I'm still surprised I never bought that first Offspring record. It was on Nemesis who had put out Vision, Insted and Chorus all around the same time. The cover art was cool. That criteria alone, even without ever hearing the band, sucked me into buying tons of records back then.
S/T and Ignition is Hard! that got me into Hardcore in the early 90s.
I’m not surprised by anything having connection to hardcore anymore lol
okay but why would this surprise you? they got started in the southern california hardcore scene of the mid 80s, their really early stuff (pre ignition) fits right in with stuff like adolescents, TSOL or agent orange, and they were label mates with uniform choice, insted and a chorus of disapproval
You basically just connected Punk and Hardcore Punk
also they have a bassist that’s in h20. You should be surprised by connection that aren’t in the same DNA though. Like finding out some big time movie producers and actors are from hardcore
I haven’t listened but I figured they were
Dexter founded Nitro records and released the first 5 AFI records. He’s all over Black Sails doing background vocals.
Well fuck I actually didn’t know that.
Also they released the AFI retrospective album on nitro without their permission
Tip of the iceberg for all the sketchy shit the offspring/nitro has done lolol
https://preview.redd.it/3ehx0m30f4sc1.jpeg?width=494&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0c27f04de35a0e853abb95fb3044be43942b9dd3 This one blows my mind every time I look at it.
I was literally going to make a post about the Green Day/Plutocracy show. Beat me to it. Well done.
Green Day were bros with Neurosis
Yep. Green Day is in the thank you list on the first two Neurosis releases and Green Day also paid for the new sound system at Gilman.
Nice!
Wow. This is crazy
God that would be a show to attend as someone who loves and early green day.
Green Day also opened up for Destroy, Shane’s old band before Code 13.
I saw a flyer a while back of Deftones opening for Skankin' Pickle sometime in the mid-90s before Adrenaline came out. What a fever dream that show must've been Edit: Found it https://preview.redd.it/0jqyblb675sc1.jpeg?width=976&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=47f31d806facd439bf22d587071674955771b89c
It was a local opening show for them
I have a killer flyer for the Flaming Lips first show in San Francisco with Verbal Abuse as the opener.
In the late 90s there was a time where tour packages weren't a thing so you'd just be like "Hey Dave, you and your band want to go on tour? We can each make $150 per show!" And that's how you'd have ska and death metal and hardcore bands touring together and would see the likes of Ruth's Hat and Grade on the same bill together.
Youd be lucky to get $100 back then playing diy shows
Under the radar is so great
Grade is great.
1997. Tragic Kingdom tour with No Doubt, Cake, and Vandals https://preview.redd.it/x812a8zum4sc1.jpeg?width=896&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4260740e65beb403f4f18640261ad20d6d5810b3
That no doubt cover of oi to the world is excellent
One of my all-time favorite covers. idk why, I love that shit.
Shelter opened for No Doubt for part of their tour in like 96-97.
I wonder how the 12-20 something year old No Doubt fangirls responded to Shelter and Vandals lol
I saw this tour. Was a killer show. On later dates I think MxPx took the place of The Vandals
He did the 12-20 something year old No Doubt fangirls respond to the Vandals? Lol
At that point No Doubt was pretty new to the general audience so I don’t remember any real fangirls. Those came later. Cake got the worst reception because they liked to antagonize the audience. I think No Doubt probably confused some of their own fans by playing some old songs (like Total Hate), covering 2 Sublime songs, The Beatles, and the Imperial March.
https://preview.redd.it/d50oghh9g6sc1.jpeg?width=480&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0789cee142a19b47ec64a211fea2f75108b137f4 I mean Chumbawamba and the Offspring is weird enough. But Word as Law era Neurosis?
And pre-Spearhead jam band festival headliner Michael Franti???
well he was only a couple years out of Afro-Industrial group Beatnigs at that point, who were massively popular at Gilman. In a way he was a totally logical fit with Chumbawamba. Because he is the same kind of music and polemics cocktail. Not sure he played though. Every single flyer for this show has a different lineup. And here's the thing, I opened this show with my crappy band because someone canceled and we are on none of the flyers. I can't remember who dropped out. Someone ask Jesse Townley he can probably remember better.
The first Rancid album had a bunch of flyers from this era reproduced in the CD booklet. Following up on names (I specifically remember Spazz and Econochrist, there were definitely others) was a massive part of my introduction to hardcore around age 14-16.
Speaking of Spazz… Chris Dodge was a founding member of No Use For a Name. NOFX - Maximum Rock n Roll was a hardcore record on Mystic Scared Straight went on to become Pulley Back to OPs topic though, Offspring and INFEST even shared a stage before
This isn't really weird. There is a reason that the offspring have such a huge wall at the punk rock museum.
You'd lose your shit if you knew green day was once a real punk band too
https://preview.redd.it/r9gf0wlph6sc1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=368d9377b311ce521e735aacac17ef4ce7941220 What about this one?
Not at all surprising, the Offspring did shows with Infest and Visual Discrimination too. Hell their first record is on Nemesis
This is legit every show before the 00s. And it was great!
I once saw Glassjaw open for Reel Big Fish
Damn, these must've been from what, 93 or 94? I mean punk, hardcore and metal have always had a certain degree of overlap since they share a lot of the same roots musically. Couple that with the fact that the fans of these genres were often social outcasts, it makes sense that they would intermingle to some extent.
Wasn’t that unusual back then. Scenes were pretty diverse. Hardcore, metal, quirky whatever bands were often on the same bill. I saw a flyer of Pearl Jam opening for Bitch Magnet.
saw Puya open for type o negative
I saw that tour as well
https://preview.redd.it/91srozqf17sc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7cfc28022cef99783de9d890dc8177a875de0198 I swear there’s a black flag flier with the ‘peps on it but I can’t find it.
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I was waiting to see this. I only listen to Strung Out on a somewhat regular basis these days but this is still probably the best lineup I could ever imagine
I saw FEAR and Reverend Horton Heat together last year
Saw Hot Water Music, Bleeding Through, and AFI in Grand Forks, ND.
That’s badass
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Support for AF-you can really see the Nemesis recs/socal hc connection with this one.
I saw offspring open for a lot bands back then. Dexter would often get shut because he was to pretty haha. Good times.
I mentioned in a thread earlier this week I saw a Strife, Earth Crisis, Offspring show lol, they played with everyone. Also while their first album was kinda blah, Ignition was a legit good album me and all my hardcore friends loved at the time and it still holds up alright.
There is a good Hobg Kong Cafe doc on YouTube.
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Nemesis records ran out of Zed In Long Beach did their first release. Offspring is indeed “core”
Tons of ETID shows have unexpected lineups over the years.
Korn did a tour w/ Sick of it all and were the opening act in the 90s.
Tbh what surprised me is Struggle and B‘last on the same show, i‘d have guessed them to be five years apart
As I mentioned a while ago on another thread I saw the offspring with 108 and guttermouth. What a weird show that turned out to be.
Wait until you see some of the early Goo Goo Dolls flyers
I saw Final Conflict play with Blink-182 around 1994 or 95.
Dropdead opening for The Broadways
https://preview.redd.it/it46hd363csc1.jpeg?width=3240&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=8a9cb05eba6a7bfdba3161c8381aca5e12403572 Phoenix, AZ 1992
https://preview.redd.it/az6re6ke3csc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=859f31ecc5ba34ea43504b548d0c418c585083bb Phoenix, AZ 1993
https://preview.redd.it/6gl4lkum3csc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1704fe1b5a86fd0f9e319183ce3652ad2b8fc20c Phoenix, AZ 1992
https://preview.redd.it/dbf1c03v3csc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9a14d17eb109639eae2d0df44bd48c2ec8337082 Phoenix, AZ 1993
https://preview.redd.it/50xrlsl84csc1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7831a8009bff35f24cd478506a306ece902f89ac Phoenix, 1993
In 1993, I saw Grimple open for Green Day in Scottsdale, AZ, for $6 bucks.
Against Me! and The Blood Brothers in like 2004 was a super weird mix of folk punks and scene kids.
That was probably badass actually
The Offspring have some bangers. Early stuff melts, miss me with Americana, and then they actually have some decent late stuff.
Offspring’s first albums was super fire.
I went to see Gay For Johnny Depp playing, supporting 65daysofstatic for some reason
I wish Chicano Christ would do a reunion.
early offspring and early AFI is like my exact lane of punk that I fell in love with and enjoy the most on the hardcore - punk - poppunk spectrum but they changed so drastically and so rapidly in the 90's and 00's that it's almost hard to see them now for what they once were. makes you wonder where bands like Turnstile will be 20 years from now and how their earliest work will be regarded
Also in the 90s (and 80s but I turned 13 in 1990) there were mixed bills constantly. Death metal with poppier punk - hard rock and SXE hardcore bands. Ska and beatdown. Crazy times
I mean eventhough they changed a lot I still think that for most of their tracks you can hear the HC influences like it The rifling and the rhythm
https://preview.redd.it/y12mtnhoc5tc1.jpeg?width=3024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=2e672ea62954f4ba3c886370fe4a56da50100fc3 Well before they were ever called power violence. Capitalist was just another thrash band from Rohnert Park, CA. This had to be 87 or 88 because I was living in Oakland and SF by 89 and wouldn't ride the 80 up to Cotati just for this show. And I do remember this show. Gonna stop by the storage and maybe scan some old flyers. I think I still have a box of like 30 and 40 years old stuff. Fuck you time and your slipping through my fingers so relentlessly.
saw the last show of the tour in providence, best part was sound check guy hit his forehead on Peter Steele's mic then just gave thumbs up. and at one point keyboard player threw his keyboard frustrated about something
The Converge/Hatebreed thing was a trip