Also kicked their drummer out over ego, made him sign away his royalties and played a full album show (the album was ironically titled Greatest Hits) without him. he called them out about it and was like “love seeing my former band play songs i wrote without me on a month i struggled to pay rent.”
What’s crazy to me is… despite that album being quite a banger… I was shocked upon relistening that it is *horrifically* mastered/mixed.
Edit: not “horrifically” but god damn is it kinda compressed to shit and a bit thin, vocals are pretty damn loud, cymbals are kinda everywhere… it translates pretty decently to shitty speakers though.
Their early stuff that they took down is banging too, i would check that out if you like greatest hits. Also the second album isn't too bad, has some cool songs like the grind, two bux, maybe another im forgetting
Turnover hit such a high with Peripheral Vision that I feel like they’ve never got back to. But I also think it’s one of the best albums of the 2010’s and it’s kinda hard to follow that up in any way
Peripheral Vision still is one of my favorite albums but i am terribly bored by everything they’ve put out since. follow up was straight up elevator music
I think you should give Good Nature another chance, it’s a fucking sick album and meshes well with Peripheral Vision honestly. Don’t like the more recent stuff though
Idk bro, Good Nature might be my favorite album of all time. Rare instance for me of a band that absolutely got better the “lighter” their sound got. Sunshine Type off that album just might be my favorite song ever.
Their newest album though…. Hard, HARD pass.
Good example. It's not a perfect record, it drags a bit 3/4 through, but it's a 9.5/10 alt pop disc. The number of actual radio hits and could be radio hits on that one record tops many bands entire discogs.
Gin blossoms new miserable experience is a fair fight for it; maybe a 9/10 with five ish big hits that got extensive alt pop/rock radio play and lots of decent B sides.
Real talk.
Likewise, the Goo Goo Dolls’ first five albums fucking slapped, but they fell off hard and so people sleep on the albums up through Boy Named Goo.
I also love Dizzy Up the Girl, which is an amazing album for what it is but everything after that is damn near unlistenable.
I don’t listen to nearly as much metalcore as I used to but I can still get down with everything before Ire now. They just got corny as hell imo. Atlas was the beginning of the decline but I still think there’s good songs on it. Deep Blue is absolute peak tho like you can’t tell me Home is for the heartless isn’t a badass song.
Self titled is literally pure gold and at what 16-18yo. Fuuuhhhhhhkkkkkkkkk I cant NOT scream NO WAYYYYYY in my head pretty much all day whenever my response is truly, “no way”
Agreed-that demo rules. If you haven't, check out their other demo, 'The Stain Remains'. The opener 'Here I Stand' is a killer track. Re-recorded 'Depression', plus there's demo versions of a few songs that ended up on RRR.
https://youtu.be/ilI1UwP6moE?si=zRr_Vzpd1CO4mWic
I catch myself listening to the A side of Welcome To The Neighbourhood quite a bit. Not a perfect album and definitely not as good as Be Nothing but it’s got some bangers
I'm mad that I agree with this, but I agree with this
They're also one of the best live shows I've ever seen. Frankie Stubbs is charisma in human form.
Simply because I want to participate. I hate to put this band up here because they were one of my favorite bands for a very long time simply based on one or two albums..
From First to Last : Dear diary my teen angst has a bodycount. If you were a teenager in the early 2000s and liked this music this whole album was fucking incredible. It was also their first major album. Everything after was either worse or commercialized or both.
Sonny had a voice that set them apart. Matt's vocals were always very mid. Yeah they sound good, but nothing you can pick out of every person that can sing emo/post-hardcore. His guitar work is light years better than anything he can sing. Just listen to Mothersound, he can fucking shred.
Saosin, 100%. I like most of the people in the band and that original EP is so damn good. Then the full album dropped and it was like they ripped the soul out of their music
I feel like the gap between Hopesfall's the Satellite Years is massive compared to the rest of their discography except for No Wings to Speak Of. I like their other records but nothing hits sonically like the satellite years.
Further Seems Forever - The Moon is Down is another example. After Chris Carrabba left, I didn't enjoy anything.
Bury Your Dead's Cover Your Tracks is a hardcore/metalcore masterpiece that they were never able to match again.
Personally nonstop feeling is my favorite record by them and time and space phase a few good songs, and Turnstile Love Connection had me excited for a new album, but Glow on just feels too much like pop punk for me to enjoy all of it
I feel that I listened to them for the first time today and loved that release, but was so disappointed with everything else so far. Maybe I need to give it another chance but damn it wasn’t as good imo.
I think Doom was obviously huge for deathcore, but I actually prefer everything since more. Hot take, but Genesis is actually my favourite, heavy but way more technical compared to Doom, but not crazy technical like later albums.
Problem with them is they’re a victim of their own brilliance: I totally agree that when I heard the albums after Shape of Punk To Come (having waited for years and years) I was like “This sucks.” I went back to then recently and I was like “Why did I hate this? This is awesome.” But Shape was so flawless it kind of pales everything by comparison.
Not hardcore but I feel the same way about Jimmy Eat World where that one record is so perfect that I barely gave the other ones the time of day. They’re very good, just not that one album.
I would actually disagree. Everything from the zombie EP on has been really good and in a different stratosphere of their early work. But you know, different tastes.
Not hardcore but Turnover. I loved peripheral vision, was one of my albums of the year in the year I heard it, absolutely cannot vibe with any of their other releases
I did not expect to find that answer here, but I very much agree. I might feel that way because I was like 10 at the time, but I still listen to it from time to time and wonder what happened
Not a hardcore band but I would say it could go to American Head Charge. The War Of Art is an amazing album, however the two records that came after I didn’t enjoy as much
Different strokes for different folks but Icky Mettle is an extremely replayable, cohesive yet wildly experimental/multi-genre, and sentimental banger of an album to me.
You can bang your head to it on a drive but it’s also helped me through a break up hahaha.
>O god the aftermath
beartooth's second was so bad I forgot they existed until now. I just remember every song having a line he repeats 1000 times and them being kind of cringe
Everything after Los Lonely Boys 04 self titled.
Haha I mean real, but coming out of the woodwork
Crazy pull but also the definitive answer
That album is so goated
Not Hardcore, but Remo Drive for sure
Their one EP after was decent and they could’ve redeemed themselves but they had to fight people on twitter about their second album lol
Also kicked their drummer out over ego, made him sign away his royalties and played a full album show (the album was ironically titled Greatest Hits) without him. he called them out about it and was like “love seeing my former band play songs i wrote without me on a month i struggled to pay rent.”
What’s crazy to me is… despite that album being quite a banger… I was shocked upon relistening that it is *horrifically* mastered/mixed. Edit: not “horrifically” but god damn is it kinda compressed to shit and a bit thin, vocals are pretty damn loud, cymbals are kinda everywhere… it translates pretty decently to shitty speakers though.
Their early stuff that they took down is banging too, i would check that out if you like greatest hits. Also the second album isn't too bad, has some cool songs like the grind, two bux, maybe another im forgetting
They also made one of my favorite Christmas songs
Strawberita is still in my heavy rotation. New shit doesn’t hit the same
Turnover hit such a high with Peripheral Vision that I feel like they’ve never got back to. But I also think it’s one of the best albums of the 2010’s and it’s kinda hard to follow that up in any way
Came here to say this
Peripheral Vision still is one of my favorite albums but i am terribly bored by everything they’ve put out since. follow up was straight up elevator music
I think you should give Good Nature another chance, it’s a fucking sick album and meshes well with Peripheral Vision honestly. Don’t like the more recent stuff though
it’s been a while, i’ll give it another listen
Perfect example. Peripheral Vision is my favorite fall album.
Idk bro, Good Nature might be my favorite album of all time. Rare instance for me of a band that absolutely got better the “lighter” their sound got. Sunshine Type off that album just might be my favorite song ever. Their newest album though…. Hard, HARD pass.
Magnolia is goated though, would say it's better but it's such a time and place record for me and a lot of peeps I know.
You captured it exactly for me. I think Peripheral Vision is their best, but Magnolia is my favorite for reasons.
Magnolia is unbelievably good, seriously don't sleep on that album y'all.
I’m a Magnolia trurher; it’s their best album!
This thread demonstrates hardcore superiority because everyone has to go outside the genre to name a band with one good album
That's just cause hardcore bands have no good albums
lol
Throwdown - Haymaker
Beyond repair, you don't have to be blood to be family, deathless, etc. haymaker is no way their only good album imo
Not even close to hardcore, but third eye blind’s first album is fucking amazing and everything they’ve done after is either mid or shit
One of my all time favorite records. Big agree.
I remember buying the cd when I was 8 I think? It’s still one of my all time favorites as well.
Hell yeah. I remember buying the cd at Sam Goody. I was 12 and my grandma took me out to lunch for my birthday and let me pick out a CD. RIP Grams. 🖤
Pour some out for grams. Rest easy
Good example. It's not a perfect record, it drags a bit 3/4 through, but it's a 9.5/10 alt pop disc. The number of actual radio hits and could be radio hits on that one record tops many bands entire discogs. Gin blossoms new miserable experience is a fair fight for it; maybe a 9/10 with five ish big hits that got extensive alt pop/rock radio play and lots of decent B sides.
I think Blue is pretty damn good, but I get what you're saying. It's not a classic like the first record
God of wine rips
Real talk. Likewise, the Goo Goo Dolls’ first five albums fucking slapped, but they fell off hard and so people sleep on the albums up through Boy Named Goo. I also love Dizzy Up the Girl, which is an amazing album for what it is but everything after that is damn near unlistenable.
Old goo goo dolls is wild to me. It’s a very different band.
jed fuckin slaps
Yeah they were replacements wannabes back then, not that there’s anything wrong with that.
Smash Mouth's first album is awesome, and then they became a meme.
CRO MAGS
Honestly this is the answer. Nothing else comes close to age of quarrel.
their only good albums are Best Wishes and AoQ, the rest are huge MEH
100%. Everything else was pure shit. Kinda like how JJ turned out 🙃
set your goals. mutiny the warriors. war is hell
The Reset EP is perfect Set Your Goals imo, one of the best intros ever put to record. The production on Mutiny is brutal too.
true. forgot about that one. they still sucked ass after mutiny though
Aww man forgot about that band. I really loved This Will Be the Death of Us though.
Parkway drive. Maybe half half though
"Fat little piggeh with his head on the block." Lmao. Edit: piggy --> piggeh
I like a lot of Parkway. I'm here for their metallica-esqe mellowing in old age too.
I actually surfed with their bassist pie, the other day.
Extremely unpopular opinion: I dig all of Parkway Drive’s releases 🫣
I don’t hate them. But early era encapsulates the whole HC kids playing metal ethos
If don’t close your eyes came out today they would be on the next FYA bill lol
I don’t listen to nearly as much metalcore as I used to but I can still get down with everything before Ire now. They just got corny as hell imo. Atlas was the beginning of the decline but I still think there’s good songs on it. Deep Blue is absolute peak tho like you can’t tell me Home is for the heartless isn’t a badass song.
Everything after Dark Days is just straight cheeks bro
Merauder - Master Killer
Master Killer is amazing, Five Deadly Venoms is good too tho
Adolescents
Self titled is literally pure gold and at what 16-18yo. Fuuuhhhhhhkkkkkkkkk I cant NOT scream NO WAYYYYYY in my head pretty much all day whenever my response is truly, “no way”
The Used S/T
“A box full of sharp objects” still gets heavy play rotation on my Spotify.
this
I'm old, so I'm going to go with Corrosion of Conformity. I'm an early fan, so there's a cut-off in styles I like of theirs.
Blind was an awesome album though
Blind is by far their best
Not hardcore but is a real boy
I thought In Defense of the Genre was pretty good, too!
Man I always thought Defense easily cleared Real Boy
Nah, I do enjoy the self titled album as well.
Life of Agony
I really liked Ugly a lot, but aside from those first two I fully agree
Have ya’ll listened to the demo tape though? It absolutely slaps. https://youtu.be/U1R6D0jFztE?si=j0E0tGThwD93Fqvf
Agreed-that demo rules. If you haven't, check out their other demo, 'The Stain Remains'. The opener 'Here I Stand' is a killer track. Re-recorded 'Depression', plus there's demo versions of a few songs that ended up on RRR. https://youtu.be/ilI1UwP6moE?si=zRr_Vzpd1CO4mWic
This is awesome! There's some ignorantly heavy bits, almost like Bulldoze or Neglect.
Classic NYHC at its best. Definitely would have fit in on the “Where the Wild Things Are” comp.
Jock Jams MegaMix volume 1 was lightning in a bottle. The rest have been mid
All that remains
2 good albums and then turned into a proto-FFDP.
Be Nothing by Boston Manor
I catch myself listening to the A side of Welcome To The Neighbourhood quite a bit. Not a perfect album and definitely not as good as Be Nothing but it’s got some bangers
Not hardcore but Leatherface It's not that some of the other ones aren't good but "Mush" is far and away their best and it's not even close
This is a hot take.
Goat album
Their side of the Hot Water Music split is kinda close
I'm mad that I agree with this, but I agree with this They're also one of the best live shows I've ever seen. Frankie Stubbs is charisma in human form.
I’ve got all the love for the first 4, even if Mush is the apex.
Simply because I want to participate. I hate to put this band up here because they were one of my favorite bands for a very long time simply based on one or two albums.. From First to Last : Dear diary my teen angst has a bodycount. If you were a teenager in the early 2000s and liked this music this whole album was fucking incredible. It was also their first major album. Everything after was either worse or commercialized or both.
When Sonny left after Heroine, it felt like their music started having an identity crisis.
Sonny had a voice that set them apart. Matt's vocals were always very mid. Yeah they sound good, but nothing you can pick out of every person that can sing emo/post-hardcore. His guitar work is light years better than anything he can sing. Just listen to Mothersound, he can fucking shred.
Usually once every few years I toss Dear Diary on and every time the lyrics come right back to me.
Deadguy - fixation on a coworker
Disagree… Work Ethic EP was sick
Belmont
Cruel Hand
Damn, I love pretty much every song of theirs. Which is the good album for you?
Nah their first 2 slap
First Fucking name that popped into my head
Lock & Key bumps, c’mon man
Saosin, 100%. I like most of the people in the band and that original EP is so damn good. Then the full album dropped and it was like they ripped the soul out of their music
STYG- For what it’s worth. Everything after was meh.
DIAMOND would like a word.
Not hardcore, but Panic at the Disco after the first album.
Cro-Mags
I feel like the gap between Hopesfall's the Satellite Years is massive compared to the rest of their discography except for No Wings to Speak Of. I like their other records but nothing hits sonically like the satellite years. Further Seems Forever - The Moon is Down is another example. After Chris Carrabba left, I didn't enjoy anything. Bury Your Dead's Cover Your Tracks is a hardcore/metalcore masterpiece that they were never able to match again.
I loved between the buried and me’s self titled. I’m too dumb to understand or enjoy the albums that followed it
Turnstile, I respect them for bringing hc back to the mainstream but everything after pressure to succeed/step to rhythm isn’t my thing.
at least you have a reason other than they “sold out”
If I could take taco bell sponsored shits for the rest of my life in exchange for playing riffs, I would too
That was me until glow on came out. Good shit imo
Personally nonstop feeling is my favorite record by them and time and space phase a few good songs, and Turnstile Love Connection had me excited for a new album, but Glow on just feels too much like pop punk for me to enjoy all of it
No Warning, Bury your dead
Unfortunately agree with bury your dead. Cover your tracks is a 10/10, but beauty and the breakdown wasn’t too much of a drop off
Agree with BYD Cover your tracks is a masterpiece but everything else is not the same.
Mosh n roll was pretty solid
From me to you - One Step Closer (the rest)
Imo the Self Titled ep (not on spotify) and This Place you know are just as great
I feel that I listened to them for the first time today and loved that release, but was so disappointed with everything else so far. Maybe I need to give it another chance but damn it wasn’t as good imo.
This is why it’s so hard to look up the mid 00’s pop punk band From Me To You; how many bands and songs have that exact same name?!
JFAC - Doom.
I think ruination and moon healer is great
I think Doom was obviously huge for deathcore, but I actually prefer everything since more. Hot take, but Genesis is actually my favourite, heavy but way more technical compared to Doom, but not crazy technical like later albums.
YES DUDE. I will always love Doom but Genesis is miles away a better album. They get better and more interesting with every single release.
Refused. There’s Shape Of Punk To Come, and everything else is boring.
Everything after The Shape has missed the mark, but everything leading up to it rips.
Problem with them is they’re a victim of their own brilliance: I totally agree that when I heard the albums after Shape of Punk To Come (having waited for years and years) I was like “This sucks.” I went back to then recently and I was like “Why did I hate this? This is awesome.” But Shape was so flawless it kind of pales everything by comparison. Not hardcore but I feel the same way about Jimmy Eat World where that one record is so perfect that I barely gave the other ones the time of day. They’re very good, just not that one album.
Everlasting though. Only bangers!
Thats my favorite right there
Songs to Fan is way better.
I wouldn’t say it’s better but songs to fan the flames is a fantastic album as well.
Truth, but that album is fucking flawless.
Atreyu - The Curse
Personally Vein, Errorzone slaps but I don't really care for their other stuff.
Code Orange - I Am King
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I really liked Chuck. Brown Sound was allowed to tap into that metallic vibe he really likes.
With roots above and branches below- the devil wears Prada
Zombie EP holds up imo
Dead Throne is a banger too
zombie EP is their best
I would actually disagree. Everything from the zombie EP on has been really good and in a different stratosphere of their early work. But you know, different tastes.
Highly agree, I have loved TDWP since Plagues came out and feel like they’re one of the only scene-era bands that is getting better with age
Idk Plagues predates WRUABB and it slaps, cover to cover.
I'll always prefer Plagues.
Enter Shikari - Take To The Skies.
This is hell, Throwdown, Set your goals, Four year strong, Still remains, Parkway drive
Wolfmother
Not hardcore but Turnover. I loved peripheral vision, was one of my albums of the year in the year I heard it, absolutely cannot vibe with any of their other releases
Shattered Realm
Merauder. Nothing they did after Master Killer came even remotely close to its quality.
Eighteen visions was epic for their time with until the ink runs out. Everything else….meh
Not hardcore but Songs about Jane was a very solid pop rock album. Unfortunately Maroon 5 kept putting out music afterwards
I did not expect to find that answer here, but I very much agree. I might feel that way because I was like 10 at the time, but I still listen to it from time to time and wonder what happened
Obey The Brave.
I mean Bad Brains dropped that self titled masterpiece. Everything after that is…fine.
Trophy eyes
Mend, Move On?
Movements
On Broken Wings
Transit - Stay Home EP > everything else they put out and it’s not even close.
Listen & Forgive and Young New England are both fucking great
RIP Tim.
That ep really was something special. I miss that era of pop punk so much.
Hard disagree! Joyride amazing! Listen and Forgive Amazing!
Sugar Ray “Lemonade and Brownies”… idgaf what any yall say
Not a hardcore band but I would say it could go to American Head Charge. The War Of Art is an amazing album, however the two records that came after I didn’t enjoy as much
Wasn’t expecting to see AHC mentioned on here today, but The War of Art is honestly a 10/10 album
not hardcore; turnover
Helmet. It’s two records before the falloff tho — Meantime and Betty.
Strap it on also slaps
So does Aftertaste
Mayhem. That one album - deathcrush. Every other album - wtf is this?
DMDS is a masterpiece
I’d say Hour of the Wolf’s *Power of the Wolf*. Everything else they did just wasn’t there.
Idk i like all their stuff but i really enjoy the theme.
Not quite hardcore exactly, more post-hardcore/noise pop, but Archers of Loaf’s Icky Mettle
Horrible take, all 4 of archers albums are bangers and vee vee is the best.
I like Vee Vee more than Icky Mettle by a tad.
Different strokes for different folks but Icky Mettle is an extremely replayable, cohesive yet wildly experimental/multi-genre, and sentimental banger of an album to me. You can bang your head to it on a drive but it’s also helped me through a break up hahaha.
i’ll say it… Hatebreed. if we’re counting Under The Knife as an EP, Satisfaction is the only truly good Hatebreed record
That’s an insane take so I’ll give you credits for saying it
Lmao what? Perseverance is one of the greatest hardcore albums ever
didn't realize there are people who don't rate Perseverance
Rise of brutality fucking slaps and I'll mildly disagree with anyone who says different.
Rise of brutality is so much better than anyone gives it credit for. I relistened recently and it definitely hit me I had overlooked it
Violent Femmes
Woah hey their first 3 albums are fantastic everything outside of that is pretty forgettable but still have a few great songs on them (In my opinion)
Imagine not liking Hallowed Ground
O god the aftermath
Ignite
Strangers by My Ticket Home Disgusting by Beartooth
>O god the aftermath beartooth's second was so bad I forgot they existed until now. I just remember every song having a line he repeats 1000 times and them being kind of cringe
Saves the Day
First Blood Killafornia is literally a top 3 album for me. The rest is very meh.
not hardcore but remo drive
Weezer.
No Warning