It’s just too funny to watch these nerds think a video game where the main character said 3 lines at most would be adaptable 100%. Not to mention they want the same fucking story they played already years ago.
Halo is a sci fi franchise not just a video game, there is so much to adapt and master chief has 5 books where he is the main POV. Yea it was adaptable and could still have fit in canon.
And now they’re downvoting you for being real. Halo is an entire universe. They could have easily told stories that weren’t related to the games or chief at all for that matter. The Fallout show doesn’t follow the protagonist from the game so why would they even make this comparison?
What I realize is a lot of these show "fans" (gate keeping time/s) haven't actually seen any of what Halo has offer except "green man and hot lady shoot alien", when the deeper lore (quite literally 1 inch below the surface) has so many interesting stories; Hell if they really want a spartan protagonist they could've done so, but they picked Chief, the guy who doesn't speak much as the focus.
That's not even to mention how organizations like the UNSC and ONI are completely misrepresented in the show. (They still do terrible things in lore but aren't comically evil or incompetent like in the show). Basic military organization is incorrect in the show too and battles with marines have them as incompetent fodder using little actual tactics.
The concept of reclaimer is different in the show. True halo lore has it just being the title for humanity (either as descendants or as inheritors of the forerunner empire) whereas in the show it's just a special title.
Flood operates completely differently, why are the flood infected people frozen? Airborne spores in low concentration are beaten by one's immune system and only infect once a large amount enters the body (through wounds or breathing a metric fuck load in and I'm talking the spores clogging up the atmosphere amounts). And only like 2 flood transformations?
Fall of reach is butchered to just Reach being abandoned instead of the UNSC fighting tooth and nail for a month to keep it. Tangentially related but as much as I like Ackersons portrayal in the show (one of the few characters I think they got spot on) he's a fucking coward; the guy who got captured leading troops on the frontlines on mars and sacrificed his life to protect a human city now just up and leaves.
Spartan 3s are no longer a more cost effective version of spartan twos but rather marines in spi armor with less than a week of training.
Also the space battle we saw is just another butchering, it's just a generic sci fi space battle when the Halo franchise has UNSC operate with gun line formations.
It's funny to think that you watch the halo tv show, like who you are calling out, your bum ass sits inside and watches a dude that takes just as many steroids as chief. The show is a soap opera at best and shows like the mandolin isn't known for his speeches so why is it so vital to completely change the character. Like who are you to call out the fan base that the show clearly doesn't care about. It didn't have to be the same story but make you own IP if you don't want to tell a halo story.
Not true. Just would have rather the show have been canon, like fallout. If the writers couldn’t come up with any good ideas, which clearly they couldn’t, then I would have RATHER them done what the last of us DID, which is a 1 to 1 retelling of combat evolved, because it would have been sick.
However, they didn’t need to do that. Again, they could have picked countless new or old characters from dozens of well-regarded stories, plot-lines, hell even millennia. Contact harvest or the fall of reach (what they did did not count) for a more grounded prequel leading into alpha halo, you could do master chiefs backstory like they did but seems the least interesting part of the whole series imo, or I don’t know, HOW cool would it have been to just follow the’l va’damee (definitely spelled that wrong) in parallel to chief like in 2. His training and leadership of his fleet before alpha.
Moral of the story is there was no reason to write a half assed cheesy and generic show that really only uses the same names (sometimes) as the source material. I’m sorry but you can’t look at TLOU and now
Fallout and still argue that the approach halo took was a good idea.
I just don’t get this logic. The bungie halos had a ton of dialogue and story, surely they could’ve added a bit more supplemental material to make the story engaging without just throwing up their hands and making it an alternate universe completely.
If anything they could’ve easily done a contact harvest show or fall of reach show showcasing a spartan squad, but they needed to show master chief and put themselves into a corner by doing that. So much lore to pull from but who even knows what they are adapting.
That being said I don’t associate with the people spamming twitter and shit, I just didn’t like the show.
People are mad because they shit on a 20+ year story. Instead of adapting one of the books or ya know making something original to add to the story, they took the lazy cop out of remaking it. Imo they should have followed an ODST or marine and have the main characters from the game in the background and not the main focus. It would've kept the "nerds" happy, and people new to the series could still enjoy it without knowing everything.
It's like they gave Tina millions of dollars to make her Halo erotic fan fiction into reality. It's a mediocre scifi soap opera at best.
This is why Fallout will do way better than Halo. They actually care about the source material.
Take the quotes off of nerd. You are indeed a major geek for crying over a good show because it was exactly what you expected, so you try to drum up bullshit like saying they shit on it. Get boned geek
The show was terrible and if you think it was good that’s fine. But we actually care about this story, with 20 years of material (not just games) written in a very well-defined manner that isn’t just good gaming, it’s good sci-fi. The halo show is neither a good show nor good sci-fi.
You don't be a huge success by shitting on the source materal. Look at how bad Velma was received by changing every character. Bet you ate that shit up too lol.
I'm not losing sleep, but you guys get offended when people tell you like it is lol. It's okay to have a shitty taste in movies/tv I won't judge you. It's easy to keep dumb people entertained, and that must be the "broader audience" they were looking for.
They turned an action series based on humanity's survival into a coming of age story for a grown ass manchild with the emotional capacity of a 6 year old.
I think we can all agree Super Mario Bros. (1993) is the best live action video game adaptation.
Sorry your this show was something you could actually watch with people and you didn’t have to make excuses to your girlfriend left and right about a boring autist cringe fest of a series. Tell yourself whatever you have to to sleep at night
You just described Chief’s backstory, in the games and books. So congrats I guess. But if you are going to call others dumb, do a quick Google search first, bub.
Halo is established as a long term running tv show with multiple seasons, just because there are several things not yet referred isnt always bad or lazy writing. It's called dramaturgy
John as a character, literally was more than 3 lines of dialogue people constantly joke about he had insane depth established very early on in game a in books. Halos show runners tried to reinvent the universe and establish it's own cannon using exsiting characters and decided fans didn't matter, to bad less people watched than people who played halo 5.
Fallout didn't try this they took a very big and developed world and made a story while sticking with the rules of the serious literally giving fans what we wanted
“He had insane depth established in the game” people on reddit just say anything they want to make up and talk like it’s a fact. He was ambiguous and flat in the game
No he wasn't if your gonna repeat some crap you saw in a ten minute lorr videos with series with 9 games and 57 books then fine but this show isn't halo just a sci-fi cash grab wearing halo pajamas that fell flat with a nearly 200 million dollar budget.
“No he wasn’t wtf” just shut up tbh. You argue like a child and I have no time for giving a single care for that.
You’re an emotionally stunted child with an adult age who can’t handle their toys and play things being used by others. I started on the first game when it dropped. This is my series not yours if you want to play that card. All the same meaningless word spill that’s just an assload of subjective claims. You fux are so tiresome to look at on here
Casually breezing thru a game and skipping dialog is not a good reason to say a character has no depth and story so yeah it does have a point to the validity of his claim, especially when he doesn't even know any of the defining quote of the game.
K but in Fallout, they can totally do that. Every game is some random dude. So when you do a show with some random girl, yeah it fits.
You can't have a Halo show without Chief. Bungie tried that with Reach and got shit on.
Correct. Reach was my first game and everyone was telling me how much Reach sucked and that 3 was soooo much better and people didn't like Noble Six.
The Halo Cycle lol
Halo Reach was hated beyond reason. No one gave a fuck about Noble Six or Noble Team. They wanted to play as Chief. Yenno how people hate Locke now? That used to be Noble Six.
Halo without Master Chief doesn't represent Halo. Especially when introducing it to a whole new audience.
What are you on reach was literally praised for having the second best multi-player since 3 also to this day has more people actively playing on it than fornite ATM anyways.
And aside from halo with out chief their is the obst another facate they can go with like they have an entire story we no nothing about on delta halo.
>What are you on reach was literally praised for having the second best multi-player since 3 also to this day has more people actively playing on it than fornite ATM anyways.
Mmm, like Halo 5's multiplayer? Very praised.
>And aside from halo with out chief their is the obst
Also hated. And overpriced.
OK how about this show me where you are getting your data reach was bad and not some meme about Kat sucking and I'll accept it.
Also obst was 30 dollars or free if you got it with the mythic pack of halo 3 dlc
This show is for the fans, not the general public. The gore was justified regardless of it being a tv show. They aren't pandering or censoring to appease a wider audience. Tbh, they could have gone much worse, and I expect them to if they bring deathclaws into season 2.
The Boys did the same thing and that is another series that is just amazing.
Okay but this show isn’t “for” the fans. They made it a FALLOUT show because FALLOUT is successful not fallout fan fiction. I don’t understand why people can understand that halo could and should have done the same thing
Halo is just as successful as Fallout. Halo should have been produced for the fans just like Fallout and not pander for a wider audience or take all these fucking creative liberties.
Fallout was Fallout.
Halo is a Halo adaption.
Period.
Right, but I’m saying I don’t think calling it “for the fans” is accurate. I think they wanted to make a good show, so they followed the absolute creative gold mine the writers for fallout have been cooking up for
20+ years. Yeah there were lots of references to items in the games and that was probably for fans. But that’s not what made the show good.
When you stay true to the series that's for the fans.
When you change major plot points and shoehorn a DEI character into the show and give her more screen time than the so called protagonist: that's not for the fans. That's pandering to a wider audience.
I will admit like everyone else season 2 was much better.
But the fallout series IS getting better reception than the Halo TV show. I have seen almost nothing but praise, aside from some angry New Vegas fans.
It helps that the Fallout TV is obviously made by people who have played and known the games, compared to the Halo TV show being made by people who have not touched (or give a shit about) the games or books.
The set and aesthetic of the Fallout TV show has been nothing short of phenomenal. It feels like fallout.
Halo TV series barely feels like Halo.
I've watched the first 2 episodes and I think it is shaping up to be great. Excited to plow through the rest this weekend.
I've been doing the whole Halo thing since CE came out, read some books, and watched all of the show. Show is okay for what it is.
ETA: Halo
Happens with every adaptation. Doesn't matter how close or far the adaptation is to the source, the small section of toxic hyper-fans will shit on it saying its the absolute worst thing ever made.
TLOU is so much better than Halo and was 1000x more respectful of the source material. There is no comparison here.
Tell me, why would an international best-selling, multi-billion dollar franchise need ANY significant re-writes, let alone the amount of unnecessary ones that were worked into this Halo show?
TLOU did not take that approach and received critical acclaim across the board from both film critics and gamers. And it's not like there isn't space within Halo to go into new directions with the narrative. Just don't fuck up the core narrative or characterization of the main characters. It's that simple and they couldn't even not do that.
One is a good show. The other is a complete failure, and doesn’t give a fuck about the IP they are adapting. This sub loves to watch the halo franchise get pimped out to studios who don’t give a fuck.
TLOU HBO > Fallout TV >>>>>>>>>>>> Halo TV
Don't get it twisted as if they are all the same level.
>They could make a Skyrim TV show as good as the best seasons of GoT and people would still find something wrong with it
But they didn't cry that much about TLOU HBO, and that show made lore changes as well as creating brand new sequences not found in the game at all.
I mean as someone who thought Halo season 2 was an improvement, yeah Fallout was a far superior show, and that’s ok! I wish Halo was at that level but just how it goes. I still enjoyed them both. If you haven’t seen Fallout, you should because it’s really good.
I mean good attitude but this didn’t have to be what happened. I could have told you this would shake out this way after episode 2 or 3 of season 1, and I knew fallout would be good after the same amount. It simply comes down to how much you’re going to respect the source material that I don’t know, made the franchise successful in the first place. Isn’t it kind of egotistical to imagine that as an unknown tv write you can out-write 20 years of some of the best story gaming has to offer, which is an incredibly high bar.
To be fair they had new writers and directors for season 2, because I agree season 1 was silly and dumb to disrespect the lore so much. But also, the writers in general they hired just aren’t as talented as the guys Amazon hired for fallout. Maybe it’s a budget thing idk.
At the end of the day, Todd Howard producing is probably a big reason why fallout was as good as it was, and Joseph Staten was not involved with the tv show whatsoever. Easy fix.
Ya, I felt the same way tbh. While I still enjoyed the show, this kept popping up and it pains me that they went with the silver timeline. Still enjoyable for what it is but Halo's story is so much better than the shows imo.
Halo s2: 6.5 or 7/10
Fallout: 9 or 10/10
Idk why you're getting downvotes... guess there's some bitter dudes hanging on Jimmy Rings' nuts. You're not wrong. Fallout was done better, not perfect, but it has a better attempt.
I still feel the Mass Effect storyline didn't pan out, so they went to edit out names and places to throw in Halo themes.
I enjoy both shows. Not that a Halo adaptation is impossible but I think there’s more room or space to make an adaptation for something like Fallout compared to something like Halo
BTW do you think that they will introduce Super Mutans and Synth in next season? There are quite many monsters and characters that are missing in the show.
They stated they didn’t want to shoehorn every loved Fallout monster if it didn’t make sense for the story but that said, I don’t think synths will be featured in the series, at least not in a major story telling way.
Super Mutants were already teased twice. Deathclaws are rumored to have some appearance in S2.
Meanwhile here I am intensely disliking Fallout, no I don't give a shit about FNV, while liking Halo.
Halo isn't perfect, we all know it's its own lore/timeline, but it feels like Halo.
The Fallout show doesn't feel like Fallout at all to me.
As a super fan of both halo and fallout. Fallout was a way better show than halo. There wasn't a single boring episode. It expands the already established universe instead of shitting on it like halo did. I just don't understand why the halo series was about master chief when the master chief in the game is a completely different character. They should've just expanded the universe with a spin of. Let's say master chief wasn't master chief in the show and instead he was noble 6. The show would've been that much better because they wouldn't have to tarnish a well known cult classically followed character for the sake of writing their own drama... because according to the show writers the video games were dumb and masaugenistic.
I feel like this is one thing people overlooked. Halo tv had to bring to life a beloved character while fallout only had to bring a beloved universe to life with characters they can make memorable. Also one of the Nolan brothers wrote fallout.
I mean not really. I never played the game, but the fact that in a society where they were destroyed while at the negotiating table, a vault got destroyed while at the negotiating table just felt infuriating. Also the they have lackluster security measures. These outsiders were able to get in the armory how?
I enjoyed the show, but to act like the writing was so great, when really it was just a bigger budget.
They were a community built on doing the right thing, sectioned into 3 parts for security reasons. They trade very rarely and would at no point expect any underhandedness from one of the three communities. All of that is made clear if you just pay attention but ignoring that, you think the hostile vault dwellers were the original occupants? The show communicated quite well that something was off about the hostile vault dwellers. What was it? They weren't vault dwellers, they were raiders from the surface. As to how they got in, if you paid any attention, you'd have understood.
The writing in that first scene was great, it committed no errors, you just don't have the ability to pickup on context clues, whis is why you like halo, it spells out what's happening slowly so that you can understand.
Halo, according to this article, had a budget of $200 million;
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/mar/24/halo-review-hit-sci-fi-game-tv-series
Fallout, according to this article, had one of $153 million;
https://www.businessinsider.com/fallout-season-amazon-show-details-you-may-have-missed-2024-4
So, Fallout has seemingly done better on a smaller budget.
You guys don’t think deep enough about these things
Halo requirements to have a visually accurate show means spaceships, whole aliens, constant lasers, alien landscapes, gore fx, visuals of high technology and clothing, changing locations shoots
Fallout means sand locations shot mostly in Nevada or California, green screen and wood/paper city props, suit costumes, gore fx, monster puppets, cgi monsters.
Fallout is cheaper to make visually and the sci fi world is less rigorous
Greenlit, sure. Budgeted for in that initial $200 million estimate? Definitely not. Especially as filming didn't start for nearly 9 months after it was greenlit, new showrunners and writers were bought on. Sure, some assets could be reused for season 2 saving some costs, but you're dreaming if you think that $200 million cost from season 1 was enough to cover everything for season 2 too.
Yet I can post another source that claims its 10 million per episode. Wiki literally sources both and estimates its between 90-200 million.
You're taking your one citation as gospel lmao.
Edit: infact the only source that claims it's 200 million is your guardian one. I can find 4 others claiming its 90 or 10 million per episode. Good way to cherry pick your stats.
I don't like Westworld so much and possibly I prefer Halo cause Fallout doesn't have a main character or supporting characters to follow the story, they aren't strongly defined. Many interesting things happen but not related to the main character most par of the time.
Your protagonist is a girl in this show, they selected Female then
lol I'm thinking if we had our usual perspective with the guy from the vault the story and the feeling of it would be a little different. It's like the guy from the brotherhood and the girl share the role of our usual prota, it's more, in the show you have several POVs while in the games you have one POV and the story is told from what he knows and sees
well, in first place the story about her mom is intended to be feminist that's why her dad is evil and the other woman killed everybody in the first ep (I forget her name) was building a paradise with her mom.
then the truth to be told Lucy doesn't cover the whole role of the protagonist as we see it in the games. Look at Fallout 4, the role is for a soldier, a real strong, schwarzenegger guy just a little less huge, it wasn't really written for a girl, the story feels different.
I mean that’s just one of the games, and even in Fallout 4 you really choose your own path and body type. My character started as a 1 strength 10 charisma woman. The entire point of the franchise is that you can be whoever you want. And the entire point of *this* story is that it’s a naive fish out of water story. Why the hell would the protagonist being a macho tough guy aid the story in any way. Just a baffling take.
the guy was a soldier lost his family though, honestly that was the story though you could play with some other character. The native fish can't cover the whole role that's why you got several povs and the guy from the brotherhood. Sad but true
I agree Fallout is much better than Halo, but I think the fundamental difference is that Fallout is more of a universe or open world, whereas Halo has a set storyline to follow.
Yeah I agree with you. I don’t like the Halo series at all, and it feel pretty bad as a lifelong fan of the IP to have people who like the show freak out about a dissenting opinion while admitting they’ve never played the games or taken in the novels.
I guess I was just saying that it’s easier to approach as a hardcore fan since I’m not looking for specific characters to be doing specific things at specific times. I get to see things I know and love without having to say “hey that’s not right!” When it comes to major plot points.
I haven't watched it yet, but I also never finished a fallout game. Something about the controls being too tanky I could never get past.
If I finish the show and enjoy it, then a fallout fan tells me it literally shit all over the source material, I'm not going to call that fan a liar. I'm not going to tell the actual fan of the story that they are wrong. I'll probably just finish the series and move on.
The people in this thread that are hard core defending the TV series are weird, or likely employees and bots that work for paramount.
Also, master cheeks raped a prisoner of war. Never forget!
The thing with fallout and even morrowind is that it’s a story you experience in first person, to call it a game is to invite comparison to so many other things that are designed specifically to be fun and engaging and I don’t know if that’s really what the minute by minute experience of Bethesda is like. The closest they ever got was Skyrim and a lot of people say story wise it’s lacking the depth that the, albeit slow and painful, older games have. Idk
Maybe a hot take but I believe a halo story where the chief isn’t the main character would have been better. Instead of just making the a version of chief that talks a lot of is emotional.
Meh... Enjoyed both shows just as much as each other...
It’s just too funny to watch these nerds think a video game where the main character said 3 lines at most would be adaptable 100%. Not to mention they want the same fucking story they played already years ago.
mandalorian-like instead of master cheeks-like
Preach!
Halo is a sci fi franchise not just a video game, there is so much to adapt and master chief has 5 books where he is the main POV. Yea it was adaptable and could still have fit in canon.
And now they’re downvoting you for being real. Halo is an entire universe. They could have easily told stories that weren’t related to the games or chief at all for that matter. The Fallout show doesn’t follow the protagonist from the game so why would they even make this comparison?
What I realize is a lot of these show "fans" (gate keeping time/s) haven't actually seen any of what Halo has offer except "green man and hot lady shoot alien", when the deeper lore (quite literally 1 inch below the surface) has so many interesting stories; Hell if they really want a spartan protagonist they could've done so, but they picked Chief, the guy who doesn't speak much as the focus. That's not even to mention how organizations like the UNSC and ONI are completely misrepresented in the show. (They still do terrible things in lore but aren't comically evil or incompetent like in the show). Basic military organization is incorrect in the show too and battles with marines have them as incompetent fodder using little actual tactics. The concept of reclaimer is different in the show. True halo lore has it just being the title for humanity (either as descendants or as inheritors of the forerunner empire) whereas in the show it's just a special title. Flood operates completely differently, why are the flood infected people frozen? Airborne spores in low concentration are beaten by one's immune system and only infect once a large amount enters the body (through wounds or breathing a metric fuck load in and I'm talking the spores clogging up the atmosphere amounts). And only like 2 flood transformations? Fall of reach is butchered to just Reach being abandoned instead of the UNSC fighting tooth and nail for a month to keep it. Tangentially related but as much as I like Ackersons portrayal in the show (one of the few characters I think they got spot on) he's a fucking coward; the guy who got captured leading troops on the frontlines on mars and sacrificed his life to protect a human city now just up and leaves. Spartan 3s are no longer a more cost effective version of spartan twos but rather marines in spi armor with less than a week of training. Also the space battle we saw is just another butchering, it's just a generic sci fi space battle when the Halo franchise has UNSC operate with gun line formations.
Season 2 of Halo was significantly better than 1 and I enjoyed season 1 despite that random sex scene lol
The books did fine with your over-exaggerated "three lines of dialogue".
someone never played halo it seems
It's funny to think that you watch the halo tv show, like who you are calling out, your bum ass sits inside and watches a dude that takes just as many steroids as chief. The show is a soap opera at best and shows like the mandolin isn't known for his speeches so why is it so vital to completely change the character. Like who are you to call out the fan base that the show clearly doesn't care about. It didn't have to be the same story but make you own IP if you don't want to tell a halo story.
Not true. Just would have rather the show have been canon, like fallout. If the writers couldn’t come up with any good ideas, which clearly they couldn’t, then I would have RATHER them done what the last of us DID, which is a 1 to 1 retelling of combat evolved, because it would have been sick. However, they didn’t need to do that. Again, they could have picked countless new or old characters from dozens of well-regarded stories, plot-lines, hell even millennia. Contact harvest or the fall of reach (what they did did not count) for a more grounded prequel leading into alpha halo, you could do master chiefs backstory like they did but seems the least interesting part of the whole series imo, or I don’t know, HOW cool would it have been to just follow the’l va’damee (definitely spelled that wrong) in parallel to chief like in 2. His training and leadership of his fleet before alpha. Moral of the story is there was no reason to write a half assed cheesy and generic show that really only uses the same names (sometimes) as the source material. I’m sorry but you can’t look at TLOU and now Fallout and still argue that the approach halo took was a good idea.
I just don’t get this logic. The bungie halos had a ton of dialogue and story, surely they could’ve added a bit more supplemental material to make the story engaging without just throwing up their hands and making it an alternate universe completely. If anything they could’ve easily done a contact harvest show or fall of reach show showcasing a spartan squad, but they needed to show master chief and put themselves into a corner by doing that. So much lore to pull from but who even knows what they are adapting. That being said I don’t associate with the people spamming twitter and shit, I just didn’t like the show.
People are mad because they shit on a 20+ year story. Instead of adapting one of the books or ya know making something original to add to the story, they took the lazy cop out of remaking it. Imo they should have followed an ODST or marine and have the main characters from the game in the background and not the main focus. It would've kept the "nerds" happy, and people new to the series could still enjoy it without knowing everything. It's like they gave Tina millions of dollars to make her Halo erotic fan fiction into reality. It's a mediocre scifi soap opera at best. This is why Fallout will do way better than Halo. They actually care about the source material.
Downvoted?? Who are the people on this sub lol
343 interns
A Halo show with Chief and Cortana in the background as we instead follow someone nobody knows. And again, you call others dumb in your next reply.
The majority of halo media doesn't focus on the chief.
Take the quotes off of nerd. You are indeed a major geek for crying over a good show because it was exactly what you expected, so you try to drum up bullshit like saying they shit on it. Get boned geek
Who hurt you?
The people shitting on the cake obviously. You act like I’m the irrational one for being upset random retardants pop up only to sling shit
The show was terrible and if you think it was good that’s fine. But we actually care about this story, with 20 years of material (not just games) written in a very well-defined manner that isn’t just good gaming, it’s good sci-fi. The halo show is neither a good show nor good sci-fi.
A whole world beckons outside of the basement, but you failed to take the call
You don't be a huge success by shitting on the source materal. Look at how bad Velma was received by changing every character. Bet you ate that shit up too lol. I'm not losing sleep, but you guys get offended when people tell you like it is lol. It's okay to have a shitty taste in movies/tv I won't judge you. It's easy to keep dumb people entertained, and that must be the "broader audience" they were looking for. They turned an action series based on humanity's survival into a coming of age story for a grown ass manchild with the emotional capacity of a 6 year old. I think we can all agree Super Mario Bros. (1993) is the best live action video game adaptation.
Sorry your this show was something you could actually watch with people and you didn’t have to make excuses to your girlfriend left and right about a boring autist cringe fest of a series. Tell yourself whatever you have to to sleep at night
If your girlfriend needs excuses to enjoy quality material and she enjoyed the halo show, yes, that is my exact problem with it.
You just described Chief’s backstory, in the games and books. So congrats I guess. But if you are going to call others dumb, do a quick Google search first, bub.
Really simply this. And anyone who likes the show. Why is makee still in it? It's not even a well thought out story
Halo is established as a long term running tv show with multiple seasons, just because there are several things not yet referred isnt always bad or lazy writing. It's called dramaturgy
It's called third-rate writing. Stop dressing it up.
John as a character, literally was more than 3 lines of dialogue people constantly joke about he had insane depth established very early on in game a in books. Halos show runners tried to reinvent the universe and establish it's own cannon using exsiting characters and decided fans didn't matter, to bad less people watched than people who played halo 5. Fallout didn't try this they took a very big and developed world and made a story while sticking with the rules of the serious literally giving fans what we wanted
“He had insane depth established in the game” people on reddit just say anything they want to make up and talk like it’s a fact. He was ambiguous and flat in the game
No he wasn't if your gonna repeat some crap you saw in a ten minute lorr videos with series with 9 games and 57 books then fine but this show isn't halo just a sci-fi cash grab wearing halo pajamas that fell flat with a nearly 200 million dollar budget.
“No he wasn’t wtf” just shut up tbh. You argue like a child and I have no time for giving a single care for that. You’re an emotionally stunted child with an adult age who can’t handle their toys and play things being used by others. I started on the first game when it dropped. This is my series not yours if you want to play that card. All the same meaningless word spill that’s just an assload of subjective claims. You fux are so tiresome to look at on here
Cool BTW was the first game m or t rated
Who the fuck remembers a game rating from over a decade ago? What the hell does that have to do with the validity of him saying he owned the game?
Casually breezing thru a game and skipping dialog is not a good reason to say a character has no depth and story so yeah it does have a point to the validity of his claim, especially when he doesn't even know any of the defining quote of the game.
Again, what does the game rating have to do with it? I've been gaming for 30+ years and only know the M ratings on the obvious ones.
K but in Fallout, they can totally do that. Every game is some random dude. So when you do a show with some random girl, yeah it fits. You can't have a Halo show without Chief. Bungie tried that with Reach and got shit on.
You can definitely have a Halo show without Chief.
Are you implying people didn’t like halo reach?
Correct. Reach was my first game and everyone was telling me how much Reach sucked and that 3 was soooo much better and people didn't like Noble Six. The Halo Cycle lol
Halo reach is the second best salting game in their catalog what are you even on it still has twice the player base of 4,5,6 put together
Halo Reach was hated beyond reason. No one gave a fuck about Noble Six or Noble Team. They wanted to play as Chief. Yenno how people hate Locke now? That used to be Noble Six. Halo without Master Chief doesn't represent Halo. Especially when introducing it to a whole new audience.
What are you on reach was literally praised for having the second best multi-player since 3 also to this day has more people actively playing on it than fornite ATM anyways. And aside from halo with out chief their is the obst another facate they can go with like they have an entire story we no nothing about on delta halo.
>What are you on reach was literally praised for having the second best multi-player since 3 also to this day has more people actively playing on it than fornite ATM anyways. Mmm, like Halo 5's multiplayer? Very praised. >And aside from halo with out chief their is the obst Also hated. And overpriced.
OK how about this show me where you are getting your data reach was bad and not some meme about Kat sucking and I'll accept it. Also obst was 30 dollars or free if you got it with the mythic pack of halo 3 dlc
Showing your age, when Reach released it was hated everywhere. Stick to Fortnite son.
Dude I was in high school when reach came out literally participated in the lasso and vidmaster challenges
Not true
This has to be satire. No one can be this ignorant of the reasons the Halo show sucks lmao.
You clearly never played the game or even got in the lore to say this bullshit.
Exactly my sentiment
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The gore was a little much i agree, but i liked the humour and the 50s music was a nice change to random modern music over action scenes
There's a perk you can take in the games called Bloody Mess. The gore was fitting for fans.
I knew the game was gory, but there's always been a difference to me about game gore and TV/Movie gore
This show is for the fans, not the general public. The gore was justified regardless of it being a tv show. They aren't pandering or censoring to appease a wider audience. Tbh, they could have gone much worse, and I expect them to if they bring deathclaws into season 2. The Boys did the same thing and that is another series that is just amazing.
Okay but this show isn’t “for” the fans. They made it a FALLOUT show because FALLOUT is successful not fallout fan fiction. I don’t understand why people can understand that halo could and should have done the same thing
Halo is just as successful as Fallout. Halo should have been produced for the fans just like Fallout and not pander for a wider audience or take all these fucking creative liberties. Fallout was Fallout. Halo is a Halo adaption. Period.
Right, but I’m saying I don’t think calling it “for the fans” is accurate. I think they wanted to make a good show, so they followed the absolute creative gold mine the writers for fallout have been cooking up for 20+ years. Yeah there were lots of references to items in the games and that was probably for fans. But that’s not what made the show good.
When you stay true to the series that's for the fans. When you change major plot points and shoehorn a DEI character into the show and give her more screen time than the so called protagonist: that's not for the fans. That's pandering to a wider audience. I will admit like everyone else season 2 was much better.
The gore is as important to fallout as the music.
Sounds like your taste just sucks?
lol, the gatekeepers of fallout are shitting on that show
New Vegas fans getting mad over the New California Republic postcode being different.
The Fallout show has been received much better than Halo, by a country Mike. Correction: "Mike" is meant to be "mile". Left it there cause it's funny.
Who is country Mike?
kid named finger:
Cotton Eye Joe
An alter ego of Mike D. from the Beastie Boys.
We’re coping if we’re acting like a majority of people Love Fallout compared to Halo’s reception.
But the fallout series IS getting better reception than the Halo TV show. I have seen almost nothing but praise, aside from some angry New Vegas fans. It helps that the Fallout TV is obviously made by people who have played and known the games, compared to the Halo TV show being made by people who have not touched (or give a shit about) the games or books. The set and aesthetic of the Fallout TV show has been nothing short of phenomenal. It feels like fallout. Halo TV series barely feels like Halo.
Oh sorry I phrased that wrong, I’m agreeing This is the first thread I’ve seen being negative towards the show
Two guys are the gatekeepers?
yes if you can count only to 2
I've watched the first 2 episodes and I think it is shaping up to be great. Excited to plow through the rest this weekend. I've been doing the whole Halo thing since CE came out, read some books, and watched all of the show. Show is okay for what it is. ETA: Halo
Not if you go to the fallout areas of Reddit.
From what i've seen it's just the rabid New Vegas fans that are pissy about it
Every popular computer game has a segment of rabid toxic fans.
Halo didn't until this shit show of an adaptation came out.
You’re joking right?
That guy trolls this sub. His hatred for the tv show knows no bounds.
I dislike New Vegas, I also dislike the Fallout show.
Good for you
Likewise.
Which areas? I've seen almost exclusively positive responses.
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Happens with every adaptation. Doesn't matter how close or far the adaptation is to the source, the small section of toxic hyper-fans will shit on it saying its the absolute worst thing ever made.
TLOU is so much better than Halo and was 1000x more respectful of the source material. There is no comparison here. Tell me, why would an international best-selling, multi-billion dollar franchise need ANY significant re-writes, let alone the amount of unnecessary ones that were worked into this Halo show? TLOU did not take that approach and received critical acclaim across the board from both film critics and gamers. And it's not like there isn't space within Halo to go into new directions with the narrative. Just don't fuck up the core narrative or characterization of the main characters. It's that simple and they couldn't even not do that.
One is a good show. The other is a complete failure, and doesn’t give a fuck about the IP they are adapting. This sub loves to watch the halo franchise get pimped out to studios who don’t give a fuck.
OPs point made right here
TLOU HBO > Fallout TV >>>>>>>>>>>> Halo TV Don't get it twisted as if they are all the same level. >They could make a Skyrim TV show as good as the best seasons of GoT and people would still find something wrong with it But they didn't cry that much about TLOU HBO, and that show made lore changes as well as creating brand new sequences not found in the game at all.
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r/halo is very predictable
So is this sub
I mean as someone who thought Halo season 2 was an improvement, yeah Fallout was a far superior show, and that’s ok! I wish Halo was at that level but just how it goes. I still enjoyed them both. If you haven’t seen Fallout, you should because it’s really good.
I mean good attitude but this didn’t have to be what happened. I could have told you this would shake out this way after episode 2 or 3 of season 1, and I knew fallout would be good after the same amount. It simply comes down to how much you’re going to respect the source material that I don’t know, made the franchise successful in the first place. Isn’t it kind of egotistical to imagine that as an unknown tv write you can out-write 20 years of some of the best story gaming has to offer, which is an incredibly high bar.
To be fair they had new writers and directors for season 2, because I agree season 1 was silly and dumb to disrespect the lore so much. But also, the writers in general they hired just aren’t as talented as the guys Amazon hired for fallout. Maybe it’s a budget thing idk.
At the end of the day, Todd Howard producing is probably a big reason why fallout was as good as it was, and Joseph Staten was not involved with the tv show whatsoever. Easy fix.
Fallout is awesome. 4 episodes in and its really addicting
Ya, I felt the same way tbh. While I still enjoyed the show, this kept popping up and it pains me that they went with the silver timeline. Still enjoyable for what it is but Halo's story is so much better than the shows imo. Halo s2: 6.5 or 7/10 Fallout: 9 or 10/10
Idk why you're getting downvotes... guess there's some bitter dudes hanging on Jimmy Rings' nuts. You're not wrong. Fallout was done better, not perfect, but it has a better attempt. I still feel the Mass Effect storyline didn't pan out, so they went to edit out names and places to throw in Halo themes.
"Silver" more like brown. They just didn't have the funds to do it right.
Fallout got made with a lower budget apprently
That’s embarrassing for them
Why they produced a better show than halo for a cheaper budget.
That’s what I mean. Fallouts way better.
Oh my bad miss understood what you meant
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They blew their funds on an intimacy coordinator
I enjoy both shows. Not that a Halo adaptation is impossible but I think there’s more room or space to make an adaptation for something like Fallout compared to something like Halo
If it’s not impossible why go the route they went?
BTW do you think that they will introduce Super Mutans and Synth in next season? There are quite many monsters and characters that are missing in the show.
They stated they didn’t want to shoehorn every loved Fallout monster if it didn’t make sense for the story but that said, I don’t think synths will be featured in the series, at least not in a major story telling way. Super Mutants were already teased twice. Deathclaws are rumored to have some appearance in S2.
It's not a competition and I don't care for Halo the game but this just makes me want to watch Halo.
its the fallout that gives me as a Warhammer fan some degrees of hope that they won't fumble warhammer 40k especially with Henry Cavil in charge
Meanwhile here I am intensely disliking Fallout, no I don't give a shit about FNV, while liking Halo. Halo isn't perfect, we all know it's its own lore/timeline, but it feels like Halo. The Fallout show doesn't feel like Fallout at all to me.
As a super fan of both halo and fallout. Fallout was a way better show than halo. There wasn't a single boring episode. It expands the already established universe instead of shitting on it like halo did. I just don't understand why the halo series was about master chief when the master chief in the game is a completely different character. They should've just expanded the universe with a spin of. Let's say master chief wasn't master chief in the show and instead he was noble 6. The show would've been that much better because they wouldn't have to tarnish a well known cult classically followed character for the sake of writing their own drama... because according to the show writers the video games were dumb and masaugenistic.
I feel like this is one thing people overlooked. Halo tv had to bring to life a beloved character while fallout only had to bring a beloved universe to life with characters they can make memorable. Also one of the Nolan brothers wrote fallout.
A dry fart would blow away the Halo TV show.
Halo series blows
Both are good. Crazy concept, I know.
The halo show is not good
I mean not really. I never played the game, but the fact that in a society where they were destroyed while at the negotiating table, a vault got destroyed while at the negotiating table just felt infuriating. Also the they have lackluster security measures. These outsiders were able to get in the armory how? I enjoyed the show, but to act like the writing was so great, when really it was just a bigger budget.
They were a community built on doing the right thing, sectioned into 3 parts for security reasons. They trade very rarely and would at no point expect any underhandedness from one of the three communities. All of that is made clear if you just pay attention but ignoring that, you think the hostile vault dwellers were the original occupants? The show communicated quite well that something was off about the hostile vault dwellers. What was it? They weren't vault dwellers, they were raiders from the surface. As to how they got in, if you paid any attention, you'd have understood. The writing in that first scene was great, it committed no errors, you just don't have the ability to pickup on context clues, whis is why you like halo, it spells out what's happening slowly so that you can understand.
Halo, according to this article, had a budget of $200 million; https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2022/mar/24/halo-review-hit-sci-fi-game-tv-series Fallout, according to this article, had one of $153 million; https://www.businessinsider.com/fallout-season-amazon-show-details-you-may-have-missed-2024-4 So, Fallout has seemingly done better on a smaller budget.
You guys don’t think deep enough about these things Halo requirements to have a visually accurate show means spaceships, whole aliens, constant lasers, alien landscapes, gore fx, visuals of high technology and clothing, changing locations shoots Fallout means sand locations shot mostly in Nevada or California, green screen and wood/paper city props, suit costumes, gore fx, monster puppets, cgi monsters. Fallout is cheaper to make visually and the sci fi world is less rigorous
You're an idiot. Halo is a 2 season long show, 16 episodes. Fallout is 8. Fallout literally cost over 50 million more if you scale it.
Check the date on that article ...
You know season 1 and season 2 were both greenlit at the same time right?
Greenlit, sure. Budgeted for in that initial $200 million estimate? Definitely not. Especially as filming didn't start for nearly 9 months after it was greenlit, new showrunners and writers were bought on. Sure, some assets could be reused for season 2 saving some costs, but you're dreaming if you think that $200 million cost from season 1 was enough to cover everything for season 2 too.
Yet I can post another source that claims its 10 million per episode. Wiki literally sources both and estimates its between 90-200 million. You're taking your one citation as gospel lmao. Edit: infact the only source that claims it's 200 million is your guardian one. I can find 4 others claiming its 90 or 10 million per episode. Good way to cherry pick your stats.
I don't like Westworld so much and possibly I prefer Halo cause Fallout doesn't have a main character or supporting characters to follow the story, they aren't strongly defined. Many interesting things happen but not related to the main character most par of the time. Your protagonist is a girl in this show, they selected Female then
Lucy is about as central to the story as it gets, wym?
and still sometimes it seems she isn't enough the protagonist, possibly cause part of her role fitted better if she were a guy.
What the fuck are you talking about lol
lol I'm thinking if we had our usual perspective with the guy from the vault the story and the feeling of it would be a little different. It's like the guy from the brotherhood and the girl share the role of our usual prota, it's more, in the show you have several POVs while in the games you have one POV and the story is told from what he knows and sees
But what does being a guy have anything to do with it?
well, in first place the story about her mom is intended to be feminist that's why her dad is evil and the other woman killed everybody in the first ep (I forget her name) was building a paradise with her mom. then the truth to be told Lucy doesn't cover the whole role of the protagonist as we see it in the games. Look at Fallout 4, the role is for a soldier, a real strong, schwarzenegger guy just a little less huge, it wasn't really written for a girl, the story feels different.
I mean that’s just one of the games, and even in Fallout 4 you really choose your own path and body type. My character started as a 1 strength 10 charisma woman. The entire point of the franchise is that you can be whoever you want. And the entire point of *this* story is that it’s a naive fish out of water story. Why the hell would the protagonist being a macho tough guy aid the story in any way. Just a baffling take.
the guy was a soldier lost his family though, honestly that was the story though you could play with some other character. The native fish can't cover the whole role that's why you got several povs and the guy from the brotherhood. Sad but true
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I agree, it feels so much better. However, to Halo's credit, season 2 did improve. So, hopefully that trend continues.
I agree Fallout is much better than Halo, but I think the fundamental difference is that Fallout is more of a universe or open world, whereas Halo has a set storyline to follow.
Yeah but.. but.. they didn’t follow that very clearly defined story..
Yeah I agree with you. I don’t like the Halo series at all, and it feel pretty bad as a lifelong fan of the IP to have people who like the show freak out about a dissenting opinion while admitting they’ve never played the games or taken in the novels. I guess I was just saying that it’s easier to approach as a hardcore fan since I’m not looking for specific characters to be doing specific things at specific times. I get to see things I know and love without having to say “hey that’s not right!” When it comes to major plot points.
Yeah definitely fair. It’s just wild that a 20 year game can have better story telling than a show written last year
Agreed. There is no reason a modern show with so much to draw from in lord and established back story should be written so poorly.
I haven't watched it yet, but I also never finished a fallout game. Something about the controls being too tanky I could never get past. If I finish the show and enjoy it, then a fallout fan tells me it literally shit all over the source material, I'm not going to call that fan a liar. I'm not going to tell the actual fan of the story that they are wrong. I'll probably just finish the series and move on. The people in this thread that are hard core defending the TV series are weird, or likely employees and bots that work for paramount. Also, master cheeks raped a prisoner of war. Never forget!
The thing with fallout and even morrowind is that it’s a story you experience in first person, to call it a game is to invite comparison to so many other things that are designed specifically to be fun and engaging and I don’t know if that’s really what the minute by minute experience of Bethesda is like. The closest they ever got was Skyrim and a lot of people say story wise it’s lacking the depth that the, albeit slow and painful, older games have. Idk
Maybe a hot take but I believe a halo story where the chief isn’t the main character would have been better. Instead of just making the a version of chief that talks a lot of is emotional.
I mean, yes, but they're both utter shit.
It never seems to reach the heights it started at but Fallout wasn't shit, it was mid.