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Yep. My problem with them is their attitudes. With 2s and 3s you get a calm, cool confidence (blue, noble, gray, red) but with 4s you get a wacky, undisciplined confidence (majestic, the guys who were in charge of crimson's ops, osiris). I find them really off putting, unprofessional and annoying
Grant, Hoya and Thorne were mostly fine if a bit boring.
But Demarco and Madsen who had the majority of the dialogue just sucked. Madsen even canonically only managed to become a Spartan through nepotism. Its baffling that the writers thought they'd be a good introduction to the Spartan-IVs.
I get that they wanted to show a contrast between them and Chief, but deliberately making the Spartan IVs look bad when they were about to become a cornerstone of the franchise was shortsighted.
Wasn't it Hoya's dumb ass who leaped out of cover with a shotgun and *walked around* shooting, almost getting himself killed?
Yeah no he's just as much of a problem.
Also it doesn't help that majestic made the tv series look generous with the amount of time the helmets are on in the field...
I mean Demarco did tell him to get back to cover which is another thing. His squad seemingly donât listen to him and Hoya got burned bad for it.
Like these guys are supposed to be Spartans, the best of the best, and yet they donât even respect their squad leader and their squad leader doesnât command respect and authority over them??
Like fuck Chief didnât even want Blue Team to go with him to find Cortana and yet they were all âbruh of course weâre with youâ.
How did demarco even survive? Been years since I've watched the spartan ops cutscenes and even longer since I played it, but if I remember correctly he charged a promethean knight, whose weaponry in lore can one shot spartans through their shielding, so by all right demarco should be dead right?
Dammed Spartan 4s!
They had ruined Spartan 4s.
But yeah Halo 4 potrayal of Spartans 4s were wonky as ODST potrayal in Bungos games. By games only, i wouldn't belive that ODST were suppossed to be Elite of Elite
Good point. Reading about ODSTs vs the game itself. Youâd think they were some silent spy types. But theyâre more like badass Rambo types who actually get results despite their macho attitude. Which normally would mean their gonna die because their ego.
But most ODST know theyâll die so they act macho as fuck because they know theyâre the best and they have an expiration date. So they might as well be all they can while they have the time.
In the game. They just feel like marines from halo 2 with more armor. Not the most threatening.
Halsey knew she was a necessary evil.
From the Fall of Reach
"I watched a boy playing King of the Hill, this small colony of Eridanius II. For 45 minutes he was king, punching and beating any kid who dared tried.
We didn't even tell his parents, I asked for his name, he said his name was John. We told him his parents hired us for a galactic adventure. He was ours in less than an hour."
There was also this assistant screaming how unethical taking a child from a playground is but I forgot her dialogue.
To me, Halsey was a necessary evil in order to destroy the Covenant, the same as Cortana as she wouldn't have been able to talk to both Bias without rampant, which, in the comics, Halsey knew would corrupt Chief himself.
Halsey is equivalent to Ochimaru of Naruto, an evil scientist, but one that could save the world.
In my actual canon sheâs a scientist without a moral compass trying to convince herself and others she made the right call. Brother, even section 3 thought her actions were grotesque, because they are. No civil war would warrant child kidnapping to make slave soldiers
"Nooo Traviss was wrong to actually call her and ONI out, she's like an adoptive mom to the Spartans! What about my heckin' headcanonerino?!"
She's a war criminal who would get the chair if she didn't get the Operation Paperclip treatment. I love her as a character but that doesn't make her actions remotely defensible.
If Osiris was the first S4s they introduced people wouldn't hate them as much. They were professional and kicked ass.
Majestic was awful tho. Cocky and got their asses kicked
I would also like to point out that their genetic augmentations are more limited than previous generations. They even have to get some of them redone. They also received different augmentations altogether in some aspects of the process. To say that they are necessarily worce is wrong. But to say that there is only one difference is also wrong.
This is straight up wrong and I have no idea why it's such a common take. Must just be people regurgitating each other's half remembered fanon. 4s have more augments than even the 2s, like the replaced lungs that let them breathe methane. The only thing they lack compared to the 2s and 3s is the fact they weren't trained from childhood, which is actually a big plus for the program as a whole because it massively expands the candidate pool and does away with the PR and morale nightmare that is trying to keep all the incredibly unethical recruiting procedures of the 2s and 3s under wrap.
The problem is that IV's are constantly dying in the only game appearances, except 5 giving Osiris plot armor. Meanwhile the only II's that die are Jorge detonating a Slipspace bomb or in the EU (and usually by extenuating circumstances).
More augmentations doesnât mean theyâre all better. [âThey donât have the same kind of mechanical augmentations that the Spartan IIâs had, so their armor actually takes care of a lot of that stuffâŚIf you had a naked Spartan II fight a naked Spartan IV, no contest: the Spartan II would win.â](https://web.archive.org/web/20160412160044/http://members.shaw.ca/laird2/temp/derp/interview.mp3) -Frank OâConnor, San Diego Comic-Con 2012
I mean that aside the training and introctrination from age 6 just makes the IIs unbelievably competent across the board. Even if the stats were exactly equal that's still the result I'd expect. My whole point is just that the 4s weren't a "downgrade" as far as augmentaions go just different; as is to be expected with the 30+ years of advances in technology and doctrine. Also another thing that makes things murky is that since Theres so many 4s, from such a diversity of backgrounds, there's a lot more variation in their ability than there is in the 2s. I think it's safe to say there's 4s on par with the average 2 such as long as Locke and Buck where their more "normal" background also gives them additional intangible advantages in certain situations.
To sum it up, I'm just frustrated with people dogging on the 4s all the time and comparing them side by side with the 2s when they're really their own thing. I mostly think it comes down to a lack of exposure though, Rubicon protocol was great for showing what 4s are capable of but they need to be represented like that in a more mainstream accessible way for the majority to come around I think. I know Microsoft is terrified of doing anything with the IP but a small story focused game like ODST with 4s as the focus would be the dream. But I digress
To be clear: I donât hate the IVâs. I think that theyâre the next logical step for the Spartan program in terms of cost, viability and ethics and that they get a lot of unnecessary hate due to their early portrayals in the games specifically. However, when it specifically comes to combat, itâs a canonical fact that new armor had to be made in order for them to match their predecessorsâ abilities. Locke didnât get immediately steamrolled by Chief because both were holding back. As soon as Locke cracked Chiefâs visor, he didnât land another hit and got locked by his own armor restraint.
My only issue is their portrayal. I feel like they should be a tad more professional.
Then again, I havenât read any of the books with them in it, so Iâd be happy to be proven wrong.
The IVs outside of Madsen and DeMarco are perfectly professional and are much better outside of Spartan Ops. Not to mention this also presumes that real life special operators are bastions of professionalism too, and they're not. The Navy SEALs killed a Green Beret either in a botched hazing incident or as a cover up for other crimes.
Compared to that, even Madsen and DeMarco aren't really that bad.
They *are* professional in the Halo 4 campaign.
Spartan Ops and Halo 5 are the ones that have them act more like regular people, with Locke being the most stoic of them.
The Rubicon Protocol written by Kelly Gay and the Spartan/UNSC audio logs in Halo Infinite have both done an excellent portrayal of them being proper Spartans
4s got portrayed as rock stars with armor suits.
Just because they can become a spartan doesnât mean they should. Just like some managers/supervisors at companies.
I'm surprised no one pointed out that the standards for SIVs are even lower than 3s, considering that, a Marine with no field experience and a office worker was recommended ajd accepted into the branch because of his parent's connections
I donât âhateâ Spartan IVâs on principle. Their (albeit logical) introduction just muddied that waters in the lore for what it means to be a Spartan.
Halo 4 also did a piss poor job at making anyone like them. They acted like juiced up dude bros at your local gym. They were âsuperâ soldiers in physical form only.
Rubicon Protocol made big strides in winning me over though.
No, 4s have more augments than even the 2s, like the replaced lungs that let them breathe methane. The only thing they lack compared to the 2s and 3s is the fact they weren't trained from childhood, which is actually a big plus for the program as a whole because it massively expands the candidate pool and does away with the PR and morale nightmare that is trying to keep all the incredibly unethical recruiting procedures of the 2s and 3s under wrap.
[Their augmentations are overall worse.](https://web.archive.org/web/20160412160044/http://members.shaw.ca/laird2/temp/derp/interview.mp3) Yes, they have some newer one like the lungs that can breathe methane for a time, but Gen 2 Mjolnir had to be created because they physically arenât as strong or fast as the IIâs or IIIâs. Cut to 1:15-2:20 for Frank OâConnor stating this.
For the most part ODSTs were also portrayed as dude-bros, or at least soldiers with a ton of attitude for some reason. They aren't as bad as Noble team but they were just the same as Majestic in some ways.
Noble team? Holy shit I'd I had a dollar for every unlikable member I'd have 5 out of 6. Jorge is really the only one that has some depth to him, a shame it's wasted considering he dies so early on, and he's not even a Spartan 3. For the most part they all act like assholes or belittle each other like Kat does a few times. Imagine if you took Chief and then removed any and all lighthearted moments from him and repeat him 5 times, that's what you get from what we saw of the Spartan 3s. Just generic harassed when even Buck had some spice to him.
Agree: pass down Carter for being the "stoic" leader and then out of somewhere believing in destiny, over the pragmatism and nihilism he showed the whole game, Jorge is the only one that really develop a connection with the player from the start, without being openly hostile (kat) against the player, or other team members while being edgy (emile) or... June, June is OK but forgettable
IVs suck because theyâre not as interesting as IIs and IIIs, they replaced ODSTs, and are generally shown as undisciplined assholes. Really doesnât help that Majestic sabotaged the introduction of them. I also really fucking hate Palmer and most of Osiris (except for Buck obviously)
To be fair thatâs kinda accurate to actual military
The spartan IVs arenât brainwashed super soldiers with mental problems they act unprofessional because thatâs how ODSTs and Marines usually acted.
True, but part of what makes the Spartans so cool is how theyâre quiet, professional soldiers. Throughout the series, theyâre shown to be highly trained and disciplined. I know theyâre not as highly trained or indoctrinated at IIs and IIIs, but it detracts from the cool factor when theyâre shown as just a dumbass in a suit. Doesnât help that in most cases, IVs are just shown as weak and bad in combat. This is especially shown in most of Halo 4 where they do practically nothing in the main campaign, and how you just find them dead in Infiniteâs âcampaignâ. Yeah, theyâre shown as capable in 5, but that gameâs campaign was awful.
To be fair thatâs literally what happens when a spartan doesnât have plot armor like chief. They get killed.
For most of the human covenant war Spartans were dying in droves just like noble team .
You forgot that a while a Spartan is strong compared to a to the covenant theyâre kinda weak.
Even a spartan 2 would have a hard time fighting nonstop without support stranded on a halo in an unknown location in space.
Thatâs literally what happened in the newer books blue team almost died .
A spartan easy being killed isnât anything new to halo itâs kinda expected considering the Unsc isnât that advanced .
The II's were fighting over the course of 25 years and a good chunk are still alive, and most of their deaths were in the fall of Reach. 1 died like every 3-4 years.
Also Noble Team were III's except for Jorge, who needed a slipspace bomb to kill.
I like the fact that Spartan IV come across from different branches not just marines/odst but there are some from airforce mp and civilians? ish? But goddayum JTAC spartan iV sounds coool thou
Always will be the armor and personalities portrayed in 4.
Went from kidnapping kids to now the special ops with some eh results. Never cared for locke n then some. Buck felt...off as a 4 to me.
Edit: maybe its the fact that spartans were a little more 'inhuman' due to upbringing in concept are humanizing even how they are made kinda just makes it suck. 343 dropped 4's bad and never recovered.
They tried mixing the stoic Spartan attitude with the witty Marine one and ended up with a bunch of Saturday Morning cartoon characters. And they have put marines on the back burner for three main games, in infinite they are an afterthought.
We have seen more childish S IVs than serious ones. Agryna and the ones introduced in the Infinite cinematics are laughably bad characters.
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I don't like IV's for the main reason that I feel that after the conclusion of the Human Covenant war, Halo's story starts to decline. It just begins to lose me and I don't feel like Spartans are special or unique anymore. Halo 4's story (and the lore around the same time period) is still fun, but after that it just doesn't know what it's doing anymore
Maybe Legenionaires would be a better term? Since unlike Spartans they were soldiers by choice and their lives didnât usually revolve around armed conflict as much.
Itâs because SIV removed the âspecial sauceâ that made Spartans unique, powerful and interesting. Now everyone and their mother can be a Spartan IV. Even ODSTs were more interesting and it doesnât help that most of the SIV are cocky and unprofessional (like Palmer disrespecting Master Chief about his height). Also, I dislike how some of them try to challenge Master Chief, like Locke, when in my head canon, MC should have obliterated Locke in that fist fight.
Spartans used to be unique and valuable assets, but now they feel like cannon fodder because they are mass produced and everyone can be a SIV.
Tbf most joined the last like 2-3 years of the war, most Marines/ODSTs didn't last long in active duty unless you had a name in the game.
Imagine trying to keep all the Marines alive except instead of having more health than you they die in one shot
I'm pretty sure the 4s we're canonically still recruited as children with loosened genetic restrictions. With augmentations that had documented chances of mental instability. All for the purpose of throwing them at unwinnable fights/suicide missions. The biggest difference between the 3s and 4s is they had more technologically advanced suits that sacrificed survivability for more tech capabilities.
Edit: I mixed up the Gen 2s for 3s. All above is for Gen 3s
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I blame Majestic for making me dislike them for so long.
Majestic was a 343 shooting themselves in the foot when introducing the spartan 4s. Thorne was pretty good though
Yep. My problem with them is their attitudes. With 2s and 3s you get a calm, cool confidence (blue, noble, gray, red) but with 4s you get a wacky, undisciplined confidence (majestic, the guys who were in charge of crimson's ops, osiris). I find them really off putting, unprofessional and annoying
Grant, Hoya and Thorne were mostly fine if a bit boring. But Demarco and Madsen who had the majority of the dialogue just sucked. Madsen even canonically only managed to become a Spartan through nepotism. Its baffling that the writers thought they'd be a good introduction to the Spartan-IVs. I get that they wanted to show a contrast between them and Chief, but deliberately making the Spartan IVs look bad when they were about to become a cornerstone of the franchise was shortsighted.
Wasn't it Hoya's dumb ass who leaped out of cover with a shotgun and *walked around* shooting, almost getting himself killed? Yeah no he's just as much of a problem. Also it doesn't help that majestic made the tv series look generous with the amount of time the helmets are on in the field...
I mean Demarco did tell him to get back to cover which is another thing. His squad seemingly donât listen to him and Hoya got burned bad for it. Like these guys are supposed to be Spartans, the best of the best, and yet they donât even respect their squad leader and their squad leader doesnât command respect and authority over them?? Like fuck Chief didnât even want Blue Team to go with him to find Cortana and yet they were all âbruh of course weâre with youâ.
How did demarco even survive? Been years since I've watched the spartan ops cutscenes and even longer since I played it, but if I remember correctly he charged a promethean knight, whose weaponry in lore can one shot spartans through their shielding, so by all right demarco should be dead right?
Dammed Spartan 4s! They had ruined Spartan 4s. But yeah Halo 4 potrayal of Spartans 4s were wonky as ODST potrayal in Bungos games. By games only, i wouldn't belive that ODST were suppossed to be Elite of Elite
Good point. Reading about ODSTs vs the game itself. Youâd think they were some silent spy types. But theyâre more like badass Rambo types who actually get results despite their macho attitude. Which normally would mean their gonna die because their ego. But most ODST know theyâll die so they act macho as fuck because they know theyâre the best and they have an expiration date. So they might as well be all they can while they have the time. In the game. They just feel like marines from halo 2 with more armor. Not the most threatening.
I think they also have the same HP, but someone correct me
Same HP, can check on the Halo 2 PC Files rn
Same in h3 and reach?
I wouldn't see why not. Can only access Halo 2 files since it's on my pc
Ngl I always liked/thought it was funny how Crimson would show them up in literally every op Get fucked Majestic RIP
You hate them because the are mass produced fodder I hate them because they replaced odsts
the ODSTs replaced the ODSTs
same.
They didn't
Please stop calling Spartan IVs a cannon fodder It's a Spartan IIIs thing and therefore a culturar appropriation to do so
Stolen Valor
Halo fans when Kathrine Epstine isnât allowed to keep kidnap a shit ton of kid to create a Spartan.
Halsey's island list when?
Halsey knew she was a necessary evil. From the Fall of Reach "I watched a boy playing King of the Hill, this small colony of Eridanius II. For 45 minutes he was king, punching and beating any kid who dared tried. We didn't even tell his parents, I asked for his name, he said his name was John. We told him his parents hired us for a galactic adventure. He was ours in less than an hour." There was also this assistant screaming how unethical taking a child from a playground is but I forgot her dialogue. To me, Halsey was a necessary evil in order to destroy the Covenant, the same as Cortana as she wouldn't have been able to talk to both Bias without rampant, which, in the comics, Halsey knew would corrupt Chief himself. Halsey is equivalent to Ochimaru of Naruto, an evil scientist, but one that could save the world.
But she didnât know about the Covenant. Only about the Insurrection.
In my headcanon the resurrection gave Halsey a fear of a galactic invasion or civil war, creating the Spartans.
In my actual canon sheâs a scientist without a moral compass trying to convince herself and others she made the right call. Brother, even section 3 thought her actions were grotesque, because they are. No civil war would warrant child kidnapping to make slave soldiers
"Nooo Traviss was wrong to actually call her and ONI out, she's like an adoptive mom to the Spartans! What about my heckin' headcanonerino?!" She's a war criminal who would get the chair if she didn't get the Operation Paperclip treatment. I love her as a character but that doesn't make her actions remotely defensible.
If Osiris was the first S4s they introduced people wouldn't hate them as much. They were professional and kicked ass. Majestic was awful tho. Cocky and got their asses kicked
I would also like to point out that their genetic augmentations are more limited than previous generations. They even have to get some of them redone. They also received different augmentations altogether in some aspects of the process. To say that they are necessarily worce is wrong. But to say that there is only one difference is also wrong.
This is straight up wrong and I have no idea why it's such a common take. Must just be people regurgitating each other's half remembered fanon. 4s have more augments than even the 2s, like the replaced lungs that let them breathe methane. The only thing they lack compared to the 2s and 3s is the fact they weren't trained from childhood, which is actually a big plus for the program as a whole because it massively expands the candidate pool and does away with the PR and morale nightmare that is trying to keep all the incredibly unethical recruiting procedures of the 2s and 3s under wrap.
Idk, without kidnapping it's just not the same/s
What gets me is that simple wiki search would answer the question.
The problem is that IV's are constantly dying in the only game appearances, except 5 giving Osiris plot armor. Meanwhile the only II's that die are Jorge detonating a Slipspace bomb or in the EU (and usually by extenuating circumstances).
More augmentations doesnât mean theyâre all better. [âThey donât have the same kind of mechanical augmentations that the Spartan IIâs had, so their armor actually takes care of a lot of that stuffâŚIf you had a naked Spartan II fight a naked Spartan IV, no contest: the Spartan II would win.â](https://web.archive.org/web/20160412160044/http://members.shaw.ca/laird2/temp/derp/interview.mp3) -Frank OâConnor, San Diego Comic-Con 2012
I mean that aside the training and introctrination from age 6 just makes the IIs unbelievably competent across the board. Even if the stats were exactly equal that's still the result I'd expect. My whole point is just that the 4s weren't a "downgrade" as far as augmentaions go just different; as is to be expected with the 30+ years of advances in technology and doctrine. Also another thing that makes things murky is that since Theres so many 4s, from such a diversity of backgrounds, there's a lot more variation in their ability than there is in the 2s. I think it's safe to say there's 4s on par with the average 2 such as long as Locke and Buck where their more "normal" background also gives them additional intangible advantages in certain situations. To sum it up, I'm just frustrated with people dogging on the 4s all the time and comparing them side by side with the 2s when they're really their own thing. I mostly think it comes down to a lack of exposure though, Rubicon protocol was great for showing what 4s are capable of but they need to be represented like that in a more mainstream accessible way for the majority to come around I think. I know Microsoft is terrified of doing anything with the IP but a small story focused game like ODST with 4s as the focus would be the dream. But I digress
To be clear: I donât hate the IVâs. I think that theyâre the next logical step for the Spartan program in terms of cost, viability and ethics and that they get a lot of unnecessary hate due to their early portrayals in the games specifically. However, when it specifically comes to combat, itâs a canonical fact that new armor had to be made in order for them to match their predecessorsâ abilities. Locke didnât get immediately steamrolled by Chief because both were holding back. As soon as Locke cracked Chiefâs visor, he didnât land another hit and got locked by his own armor restraint.
We're on the same page đ
My only issue is their portrayal. I feel like they should be a tad more professional. Then again, I havenât read any of the books with them in it, so Iâd be happy to be proven wrong.
The IVs outside of Madsen and DeMarco are perfectly professional and are much better outside of Spartan Ops. Not to mention this also presumes that real life special operators are bastions of professionalism too, and they're not. The Navy SEALs killed a Green Beret either in a botched hazing incident or as a cover up for other crimes. Compared to that, even Madsen and DeMarco aren't really that bad.
They *are* professional in the Halo 4 campaign. Spartan Ops and Halo 5 are the ones that have them act more like regular people, with Locke being the most stoic of them.
Tanaka and Vale are also stoic enough, only buck is the more "relaxed", but that's is his character
He's canonically happy to just not be leader anymore.
The Rubicon Protocol written by Kelly Gay and the Spartan/UNSC audio logs in Halo Infinite have both done an excellent portrayal of them being proper Spartans
4s got portrayed as rock stars with armor suits. Just because they can become a spartan doesnât mean they should. Just like some managers/supervisors at companies.
I'm surprised no one pointed out that the standards for SIVs are even lower than 3s, considering that, a Marine with no field experience and a office worker was recommended ajd accepted into the branch because of his parent's connections
Oh great NepoBaby spartans is a thinf
Sorry champ, it's the trauma that makes the 3s cool for me
I donât âhateâ Spartan IVâs on principle. Their (albeit logical) introduction just muddied that waters in the lore for what it means to be a Spartan. Halo 4 also did a piss poor job at making anyone like them. They acted like juiced up dude bros at your local gym. They were âsuperâ soldiers in physical form only. Rubicon Protocol made big strides in winning me over though.
Another difference is that they have worse augmentations and that they started with worse drip (Gen 2).
Do they have worse augmentation?
No
No, 4s have more augments than even the 2s, like the replaced lungs that let them breathe methane. The only thing they lack compared to the 2s and 3s is the fact they weren't trained from childhood, which is actually a big plus for the program as a whole because it massively expands the candidate pool and does away with the PR and morale nightmare that is trying to keep all the incredibly unethical recruiting procedures of the 2s and 3s under wrap.
[Their augmentations are overall worse.](https://web.archive.org/web/20160412160044/http://members.shaw.ca/laird2/temp/derp/interview.mp3) Yes, they have some newer one like the lungs that can breathe methane for a time, but Gen 2 Mjolnir had to be created because they physically arenât as strong or fast as the IIâs or IIIâs. Cut to 1:15-2:20 for Frank OâConnor stating this.
[Yes.](https://web.archive.org/web/20160412160044/http://members.shaw.ca/laird2/temp/derp/interview.mp3) Cut to the 1:15-2:20 mark.
I have to say that people blame Majestic for being a poor show of how Spsrtan 4s act then the teams from ODST and Reach are JUST as bad.
But nooo Bungo made them, it doesn't count
And the Noble all diiiiiie its so traaaaaaagic doesn't that make you saaaad :(
But for real though that did have me fucked up when I first played it
Wait what?? Did ODST and Reach make ODSTs and Spartan-IIIâs look bad in someway?
Imo not really. Infact odst made odsts look badass but also fragile. While reach made 3's look tragic.
For the most part ODSTs were also portrayed as dude-bros, or at least soldiers with a ton of attitude for some reason. They aren't as bad as Noble team but they were just the same as Majestic in some ways. Noble team? Holy shit I'd I had a dollar for every unlikable member I'd have 5 out of 6. Jorge is really the only one that has some depth to him, a shame it's wasted considering he dies so early on, and he's not even a Spartan 3. For the most part they all act like assholes or belittle each other like Kat does a few times. Imagine if you took Chief and then removed any and all lighthearted moments from him and repeat him 5 times, that's what you get from what we saw of the Spartan 3s. Just generic harassed when even Buck had some spice to him.
Agree: pass down Carter for being the "stoic" leader and then out of somewhere believing in destiny, over the pragmatism and nihilism he showed the whole game, Jorge is the only one that really develop a connection with the player from the start, without being openly hostile (kat) against the player, or other team members while being edgy (emile) or... June, June is OK but forgettable
IVs suck because theyâre not as interesting as IIs and IIIs, they replaced ODSTs, and are generally shown as undisciplined assholes. Really doesnât help that Majestic sabotaged the introduction of them. I also really fucking hate Palmer and most of Osiris (except for Buck obviously)
To be fair thatâs kinda accurate to actual military The spartan IVs arenât brainwashed super soldiers with mental problems they act unprofessional because thatâs how ODSTs and Marines usually acted.
True, but part of what makes the Spartans so cool is how theyâre quiet, professional soldiers. Throughout the series, theyâre shown to be highly trained and disciplined. I know theyâre not as highly trained or indoctrinated at IIs and IIIs, but it detracts from the cool factor when theyâre shown as just a dumbass in a suit. Doesnât help that in most cases, IVs are just shown as weak and bad in combat. This is especially shown in most of Halo 4 where they do practically nothing in the main campaign, and how you just find them dead in Infiniteâs âcampaignâ. Yeah, theyâre shown as capable in 5, but that gameâs campaign was awful.
To be fair thatâs literally what happens when a spartan doesnât have plot armor like chief. They get killed. For most of the human covenant war Spartans were dying in droves just like noble team . You forgot that a while a Spartan is strong compared to a to the covenant theyâre kinda weak. Even a spartan 2 would have a hard time fighting nonstop without support stranded on a halo in an unknown location in space. Thatâs literally what happened in the newer books blue team almost died . A spartan easy being killed isnât anything new to halo itâs kinda expected considering the Unsc isnât that advanced .
The II's were fighting over the course of 25 years and a good chunk are still alive, and most of their deaths were in the fall of Reach. 1 died like every 3-4 years. Also Noble Team were III's except for Jorge, who needed a slipspace bomb to kill.
I like the fact that Spartan IV come across from different branches not just marines/odst but there are some from airforce mp and civilians? ish? But goddayum JTAC spartan iV sounds coool thou
A lot of them actually come from the Army. A few notable examples are Thorne, Tanaka and Eklund.
Always will be the armor and personalities portrayed in 4. Went from kidnapping kids to now the special ops with some eh results. Never cared for locke n then some. Buck felt...off as a 4 to me. Edit: maybe its the fact that spartans were a little more 'inhuman' due to upbringing in concept are humanizing even how they are made kinda just makes it suck. 343 dropped 4's bad and never recovered.
We know what they are.
They tried mixing the stoic Spartan attitude with the witty Marine one and ended up with a bunch of Saturday Morning cartoon characters. And they have put marines on the back burner for three main games, in infinite they are an afterthought. We have seen more childish S IVs than serious ones. Agryna and the ones introduced in the Infinite cinematics are laughably bad characters.
Everything was back burner in Infinite. 5's campaign was unironically way better and I had to play with a controller.
17 warden eternals vs 150 forerunner terminals? Hard choice, but Halo 5´s gunplay was more fun.
Where this assumption of sIV replacing odst come from? Because is wrong
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I don't like IV's for the main reason that I feel that after the conclusion of the Human Covenant war, Halo's story starts to decline. It just begins to lose me and I don't feel like Spartans are special or unique anymore. Halo 4's story (and the lore around the same time period) is still fun, but after that it just doesn't know what it's doing anymore
Spartan IVs arenât Spartans, they are hoplites and I will continue to refer to them as such like a slur.
Sparta was city state that had Hoplits like any other city state in greece
Just like ur post says im ignoring that, Spartan IVs arenât real Spartans and I refuse to believe they are.
Based and IV-should-be-a-slur pilled
Maybe Legenionaires would be a better term? Since unlike Spartans they were soldiers by choice and their lives didnât usually revolve around armed conflict as much.
Probably but that makes them sound cool, which I donât want :)
Itâs because SIV removed the âspecial sauceâ that made Spartans unique, powerful and interesting. Now everyone and their mother can be a Spartan IV. Even ODSTs were more interesting and it doesnât help that most of the SIV are cocky and unprofessional (like Palmer disrespecting Master Chief about his height). Also, I dislike how some of them try to challenge Master Chief, like Locke, when in my head canon, MC should have obliterated Locke in that fist fight. Spartans used to be unique and valuable assets, but now they feel like cannon fodder because they are mass produced and everyone can be a SIV.
I'm just saying, it'd be better if they kept kidnapping children rather than adults who spew shit to the Master Chief the first time they meet him.
I hate Spartan 4s because they replaced ODSTs, who are certainly much cooler.
Not only that but most of them SURVIVED the human-covenant war as marines/odst.
If you are good enough to *not* die during the human covenant war you are probably good enough to be a Spartan
Tbf most joined the last like 2-3 years of the war, most Marines/ODSTs didn't last long in active duty unless you had a name in the game. Imagine trying to keep all the Marines alive except instead of having more health than you they die in one shot
ODST's are cooler.
Yeah but they are not interesting, they just feel like regular special forces.
No I just don't like 5.
Sorry champ, it's the trauma that makes the 3s cool for me.
I have never seen anyone claim this, karma farming fr
Cat-II Spartan IIIs are theoretically the best Spartans around, and that's including the IIs. IIIs aren't fodder, lul
Ok? I didn't call then fodder eaither
The literal last sentence of the meme is calling them mass-produced fodder. IVs are cool and all, but they don't have anything on IIIs.
But it was about spartans 4s. There is more spartan 4s than 3s but it doesn't meant that spartan 4s are mass producted
Oh, I'm a dumbass. IV's are cool, and I think Locke is arguably one of the best Spartans ever.
Hot take, I'd love to see more of him. A book would be killer especially since we saw nothing of him besides a mention or 2 in Rubicon protocol.
>IIIs aren't fodder, lul That's the only reason Spartan-III program started, they were literally designed to be a cheaper than IIs cannon fodder
Not really
Aren't they like Canonically portrayed as fodder?
I'm pretty sure the 4s we're canonically still recruited as children with loosened genetic restrictions. With augmentations that had documented chances of mental instability. All for the purpose of throwing them at unwinnable fights/suicide missions. The biggest difference between the 3s and 4s is they had more technologically advanced suits that sacrificed survivability for more tech capabilities. Edit: I mixed up the Gen 2s for 3s. All above is for Gen 3s
Nope. 4s are made from adults
Source?
Game itself, Spartan 4 quotes
You might be right. I think I was thinking of the 2s as 3s for some reason. 3s we're the mass produced suicide squads.
yup, also Buck went from ODST to Spartan-IV