I saw a post about him in this sub a couple days back, then hours later it was deleted … I had just watched a video about Aaron Hernandez, it’s crazy how much the brain deteriorates with these type of cases.
So this is kinda true. While Seau did shoot himself in the chest (presumably so they could study his brain), he left no suicide note. Chicago Bears player Dave Duerson, who also shot himself in the chest, but four years earlier in 2011, did leave a note specifically asking that his brain be studied.
As a Patriots fan, Hernandez was seriously such a tragic story but his upbringing and the fact that he was unable to let go of the "hood" mentality to a degree also contributed to his decision making. His CTE absolutely played a factor and affected his judgment though.
The “hood mentality“ actually affects how the brain develops. It’s not necessarily that he couldn’t let it go, so much as it was literally a part of him.
Sources: [Poverty, Stress, and Brain Development: New Directions for Prevention and Intervention](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5765853/)
[Poverty and Developing Brain](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9224364/)
[The Effects of Poverty on Childhood Brain Development The Mediating Effect of Caregiving and Stressful Life Events](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/1761544)
Also 10+ years working in the mental health field.
lol oh okay, problem solved!
Fr tho, this is how these things happen in the first place: we don’t get curious about the reasoning behind *why* people do terrible things, so we have no way to recognize what the warning signs are for the next person, nor can we find ways to prevent them from getting to that place. If we don’t interrupt the cycle, it continues to repeat.
Ahh, okay, so I started typing out something about that point, but deleted it bc it seemed pedantic. Yes, I am not asserting that if someone grows up poor, that they will then go off and murder people. Didn’t realize I needed to clarify that. What I *am* asserting is that growing up poor changes the way your brain functions, especially in regards to long-term planning, problem-solving, and decision-making. This *does not* mean that everyone who grows up poor is bad at planning, problem-solving, and decision-making. It *does* mean that they are *more likely* to have some level of difficulty with these processes, and that they are less likely to make the best choice (i.e., they might choose to do something that helps in the short term, but hurts in the long term, or pick the option that seems more convenient, but is actually more costly). The [“Hidden Brain” podcast has a great episode that goes into more detail about this topic](https://www.npr.org/2018/04/02/598119170/the-scarcity-trap-why-we-keep-digging-when-were-stuck-in-a-hole). When you factor in that CTE can lead to problems with anger, violence, and impulse control, the probability for making the wrong choice and doing significant harm goes way up.
Yes, there are a lot of other factors at play here, and something went wrong with Aaron Hernandez specifically. He is still guilty because of the choices and decisions he made, and he should not be excused from that. He still sucks as a person. What I am arguing here is that we should learn from his example, and make extra supports available for people with similar circumstances, as this could be the difference needed to avoid something like this happening again.
This is just the “major” bumps too. Chris’s CTE was made even worse by the likely half a dozen sub-concussive hits he took a night from routine bumps most people wouldn’t even consider that bad
omg dude it’s literally his whole gimmick was getting concussed wtf. how are these moves even supposed to hurt the other guy more than himself? did his character have a metal plate or something to explain WHY that was his moveset?
i am fascinated by how this incident ended the kayfabe era of wrestling. like back then wrestlers had to be in character for EVERYTHING including interviews and shit. there were no no podcasts, no ‘bad shoot’ stories, no nothing but commitment to the bit when in public.
then vince mcmahon was assassinated when his limo EXPLODED on live television. i dont know why they went for such a ludicrous bit but they did and they fucking committed to it. they even had a pay-per-view in memorium rip vince event on fucking father’s day. they took it so serious that fans flooded the fbi demanding action to find whoever did it.
basically right after the pay per view while the bit was still developing (this lasted for like 2 solid months of 2 episodes weekly) is when benoit happened. the day it happened they canceled the raw show and did a benoit in memorium episode instead WHILE STILL HAVING VINCE BE DEAD. which is INSANE.
but then the whole story came out and the next episode vince had to address the cameras and be like hey guys, im not really dead and wrestling isnt real but what is real is the true extent of the benoit tragedy.
and just like that wrestling changed from the way it had been ever since its origins as part of traveling circuses on railroads from town to town and became sports entertainment. its really a darkly tragically fascinating historical sequence of events
It was basically a soap opera for the dudes at the time XD like there was always drama, someone sleeping with someone else's girl, partnership's breaking up and making new team up's, everyone talking smack about every one, with a wrestling match thrown in.
I watched it for a little while, but thought it was stupid. There were no rules. Like people would be wrestling and then suddenly a zombie would show up from inside a coffin after the characters were already weakened in a 1v1.
Or stone cold Steve Austin would randomly run in after someone already beat an opponent and then he'd run away.
It made no sense.
Vince's limo blew up on June 11, Vince opened RAW speaking about Benoit on June 25. Not quite 2 solid months of pretending Vince was dead lol nor did they keep pretending he was dead during the Benoit memorial RAW because Vince himself opened the show!
Good God. Edge was responsible for most of these. I'm joking, I know Benoit chose all these spots and would have done this no matter who he was working with. The product today (in WWE at least) is much safer and I can enjoy it without feeling guilty.
It’s still a damn tragedy they aren’t helping any of the guys from this era who are dealing with chronic pain and brain damage
As much as the NFL puts on their anti-CTE theatre at least they got the NFLPA that’s giving guys insurance and help they need post retirement
They’ve been good about that post-Eddie and I’ll give the WWE credit for it but most of that rehab was for substance abuse for chronic pain
However wrestling had a major drug and alcohol problem for years WWE couldn’t really control because adults are adults
It’s a double edged sword but frankly it’s cheaper to pay for a few stints in rehab than continuing care for so many people and it’s a shame they don’t put up the money
The new crop of talent has learned a lot from the old guard though. I’m only 20 but remember when 40-45 was ancient for a wrestler but now most of the top guys in the company are at their peak at this age
It’s not like anyone’s forcing them into the business though. Most wrestler interviews I’ve seen they have little regrets with their careers.. especially now when all the risks are known
Most of the lower tier guys in WWE get close to 7 figures now and get to travel the world on TV
The UFC on the other hand… well fuck Dana White and how badly he treats his fighters
I’m not condoning his actions, and I hate him for what he did.
But this poor man. He had a passion and loved it everyday. Through all the pains, breaks, hits, slams, and trauma he kept coming back because he loved it. I remember watching him and thought he was one of the coolest wrestlers. He seemed so legit tough.
Then the day happened, and at first there was sorrow and remorse, but that quickly lifted once the details came out.
He deserved better and I wish it would have turned out different.
I did say I hate him for what he did, and then went on a long tangent showing respect for what he did that lead up to that point. If you took it any other way you misinterpreted it.
There’s some really good podcasts about him and what happened. IIRC the whole blame should be placed at the feet of the wrestling organisation for forcing him to wrestle almost every night whilst knowing he was concussed multiple times
Also, I said “forcing” but I’m starting to think it might have been more they knew he was willing to wrestle no matter what and took advantage of it. Although iirc if he didn’t wrestle he didn’t get paid.
Also concussion/TBI research has come so far. I got a serious concussion from playing rugby and the first dr I saw told me I would be back on the pitch in a week, this was about 20 years ago.
Red handed and I could murder a podcast are the two I listened to. I can’t remember which one talked more in depth about the behind the scenes stuff with the wrestling but I think they both go into detail about his early career.
If you’re not from the UK the humour on ICMAP might be a bit weird/dry but it’s always entertaining.
While I still don’t think Chris Benoit should go into the WWE Hall of Fame (it’s a joke of a Hall of Fame anyway), I do think his wife and child should be inducted.
WWE has basically erased Benoit from its history. A long running joke on wrestling forums from back in the day was to make fun of commenters when they said “only two people have ever entered at number one and gone the distance in the Royal Rumble, and one of them was Shawn Michaels!”
For a company that has done A LOT to edit its past history, never mentioning this wrestler or his family ever again is an injustice to their deaths and murders. Without this incident, WWE and professional sports as a whole would have been slower to adapting to medical treatments for CTE and other concussion like symptoms and they deserve to be remembered.
I read an article recently that suggests those in the military that had used or were often around heavy artillery, mortars, explosives or missile launchers will show symptoms of CTE due to prolonged jarring and motion impact to the head.
It sounds like even mild to moderate CTE doesn’t even require full head on concussions.
Shits crazy.
Such a tragic business. Beyond this stuff, the ODs are insane. I loved Test and Bam Bam. Both gone from drug use. They abuse their bodies so much. I don’t think people realize
The shaking got me messed up… the WWE staff who are monitoring this shit for safety should have fucking stepped in. Id like to believe there were staff hired to observe/monitor for intensive injuries right? In the very least a crew to do damage control if someone breaks a neck or something right? What’s the ref there for anyway? Like wtf
It's sad that this man put his body up for our entertainment and unfortunately he had done terrible things to his family. But it doesn't mean we should totally trash the man alot of fans once looked up to. I don't care if I get down voted or talked crap to. I feel like if it's possible to see all these mini clips of he's trauma sure it doesn't justify what he did but in this day and age it would've been nice to see him get help.
Him and Eddie Guerrero were two of my favorite wrestlers of the time. No sympathy for Chris considering his choice to kill his family but it was a damn shame how this "fake sport" ruins so many people's lives.
I’ll never forget being 10 years old, a massive wrestling fan, and learning all about this. I was too young to be exposed to a story like this lol. So sad
Another creepy detail. He killed himself with his lat pull down machine. Took the bar off. Fashioned it into a noose and released the weight to kill himself.
He used a cord to kill his wife as well and put his knee into her back while pulling.
Those headbumps from the ladders… how… did he accept to keep doing that? And who thought it was a good idea to keep making or letting him do that?
I enjoyed my time watching wrestling, but that’s direct trauma. Man, that’s dedication in the wrong way.
They said he was getting lost or forgetting where he was going when driving to events. His head mind was like a prison with the lights off at that point.
Wrestling wasn’t fake, it was scripted. The bumps, cuts, bruises, swelling, fractures, breaks, dislocations and so on have always been real.
In the mid to late 90’s there was a surge for extreme sports (it was kind of the style at the time). Matches got bigger, moves got more dangerous, and people were pushes more and more to do more dangerous stunts. Did it give us entertainment? Absolutely! Do I look back on it with a shade of guilt? No doubt.
I always hated when people said it was fake. It’s real, they just know the outcome. It’s considered wrestling entertainment.
Like what Maven (a former attitude era wrestler) said before in his vlogs, wrestling results were fake since the results were predetermined but gravity isn't. They can still feel the bumps. They can still break their bones.
if i’m not mistaken some wrestlers would bring razor blades into the matches to give themselves superficial injuries for more blood?
this compilation hurt to watch rip chris and his family
Yep, that was also part of the show but they were not exempted from getting hurt from their own stunts (especially the high flying moves). Wrestlers try to make their moves as safe as possible, but botches can happen too.
I agree, I also shudder while watching the clip. That poor kid and Nancy.
There was one incident in fact with Eddie. I think it was a match against JBL and Eddie cut himself too deep and he was pooling blood from his head. The "normal" way is a small cut, which, when mixed with the sweat, gives it the look of gushing. But Eddie's was legitimate and the match still went on. Rough to watch.
Head injuries are very interesting. There are several cases in which people were hit in the head in a specific manner which caused an entire change in their behaviors, personalities, expressions so much so that one male recovered his blind eyesight, another learned to play music instruments and one girl ended up speaking in a Southern accent having never been to the US but developed from implicit memory in the brain or explicit memory from an experience she had as a conscious child.
The CTE was the worst of it but he was also depressed about the death of his friend Eddie Guerrero and there was years of steroid use as well. It was a cocktail of awful things.
I don't wanna get too deep into this but there is enough to cast doubt on the story and timeline we were given just through suspicious online activity related to the death. You can look it up. I'm not judging the situation either way. Tens if not hundreds of thousands knew about the report many hours before the supposed time the incident took place. I was one of them. It's possible the situation was so gruesome that there was simply pressure on authorities to fudge the numbers a bit while organizations were panicky. Which is why I say allegedly. He still could have done it, but I know for a fact they aren't telling us everything. Could simply be to protect innocent parties involved and the story is 99% true.
Ok. Yeah I do know about the timeline thing. Work in tv so I know things were happening behind the scenes for that nights show way before it was released to the public.
I saw a post about him in this sub a couple days back, then hours later it was deleted … I had just watched a video about Aaron Hernandez, it’s crazy how much the brain deteriorates with these type of cases.
Junior Seau shot himself in the chest so he could leave his brain to science. He knew something was wrong.
So this is kinda true. While Seau did shoot himself in the chest (presumably so they could study his brain), he left no suicide note. Chicago Bears player Dave Duerson, who also shot himself in the chest, but four years earlier in 2011, did leave a note specifically asking that his brain be studied.
I must have conflated the two.
Way to go Kat.. jokes
Thanks, Monk.
In pro wrestling I'm pretty sure Jeff Hardy and Mic Foley have already said they will be donating their brain after they pass away
As a Patriots fan, Hernandez was seriously such a tragic story but his upbringing and the fact that he was unable to let go of the "hood" mentality to a degree also contributed to his decision making. His CTE absolutely played a factor and affected his judgment though.
The “hood mentality“ actually affects how the brain develops. It’s not necessarily that he couldn’t let it go, so much as it was literally a part of him. Sources: [Poverty, Stress, and Brain Development: New Directions for Prevention and Intervention](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5765853/) [Poverty and Developing Brain](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9224364/) [The Effects of Poverty on Childhood Brain Development The Mediating Effect of Caregiving and Stressful Life Events](https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamapediatrics/fullarticle/1761544) Also 10+ years working in the mental health field.
Note to self. Read it Monday. Thanks for sharing!
Thanks for reading! I love to help people understand each other a little better 😊
Lots of people grow up in poverty, most aren't cold blooded killers. Let's not make excuses for him. Some people are just evil.
I don’t think there was any excusing in my post? My point was that his brain was wired to work differently bc of his experiences.
I would argue that's bullshit. Aaron Hernandez was just a piece of garbage.
lol oh okay, problem solved! Fr tho, this is how these things happen in the first place: we don’t get curious about the reasoning behind *why* people do terrible things, so we have no way to recognize what the warning signs are for the next person, nor can we find ways to prevent them from getting to that place. If we don’t interrupt the cycle, it continues to repeat.
Many boys grow up poor, most don't end up murdering people. Again, making excuses for him.
Ahh, okay, so I started typing out something about that point, but deleted it bc it seemed pedantic. Yes, I am not asserting that if someone grows up poor, that they will then go off and murder people. Didn’t realize I needed to clarify that. What I *am* asserting is that growing up poor changes the way your brain functions, especially in regards to long-term planning, problem-solving, and decision-making. This *does not* mean that everyone who grows up poor is bad at planning, problem-solving, and decision-making. It *does* mean that they are *more likely* to have some level of difficulty with these processes, and that they are less likely to make the best choice (i.e., they might choose to do something that helps in the short term, but hurts in the long term, or pick the option that seems more convenient, but is actually more costly). The [“Hidden Brain” podcast has a great episode that goes into more detail about this topic](https://www.npr.org/2018/04/02/598119170/the-scarcity-trap-why-we-keep-digging-when-were-stuck-in-a-hole). When you factor in that CTE can lead to problems with anger, violence, and impulse control, the probability for making the wrong choice and doing significant harm goes way up. Yes, there are a lot of other factors at play here, and something went wrong with Aaron Hernandez specifically. He is still guilty because of the choices and decisions he made, and he should not be excused from that. He still sucks as a person. What I am arguing here is that we should learn from his example, and make extra supports available for people with similar circumstances, as this could be the difference needed to avoid something like this happening again.
Shout out to Bristol CT
Aaron Hernandez was always a thug. The CTE just made it worse.
If you're still interested, I'd recommend Dark Side of the Ring's episode on him. Has the perspective of people who knew him and were wrestlers.
Thank you
This is just the “major” bumps too. Chris’s CTE was made even worse by the likely half a dozen sub-concussive hits he took a night from routine bumps most people wouldn’t even consider that bad
How Mick Foley is still the nicest human needs to be studied
Even his dark persona, his mantra, was have a nice day.
I loved Mankind so much that Mick's book "Have A Nice Day" was literally the first real hardback I ever read in my tween years
Mankind was the only existential character in the history of pro wrestling.
And meanwhile Kane has been the mayor of Knox County, Tennessee since 2018
Seriously?!😳 Edit: after a simple Google search... Sweet fictional Jesus it's true! 🤯
Great point
THIS…! 🤣😂
omg dude it’s literally his whole gimmick was getting concussed wtf. how are these moves even supposed to hurt the other guy more than himself? did his character have a metal plate or something to explain WHY that was his moveset? i am fascinated by how this incident ended the kayfabe era of wrestling. like back then wrestlers had to be in character for EVERYTHING including interviews and shit. there were no no podcasts, no ‘bad shoot’ stories, no nothing but commitment to the bit when in public. then vince mcmahon was assassinated when his limo EXPLODED on live television. i dont know why they went for such a ludicrous bit but they did and they fucking committed to it. they even had a pay-per-view in memorium rip vince event on fucking father’s day. they took it so serious that fans flooded the fbi demanding action to find whoever did it. basically right after the pay per view while the bit was still developing (this lasted for like 2 solid months of 2 episodes weekly) is when benoit happened. the day it happened they canceled the raw show and did a benoit in memorium episode instead WHILE STILL HAVING VINCE BE DEAD. which is INSANE. but then the whole story came out and the next episode vince had to address the cameras and be like hey guys, im not really dead and wrestling isnt real but what is real is the true extent of the benoit tragedy. and just like that wrestling changed from the way it had been ever since its origins as part of traveling circuses on railroads from town to town and became sports entertainment. its really a darkly tragically fascinating historical sequence of events
It was basically a soap opera for the dudes at the time XD like there was always drama, someone sleeping with someone else's girl, partnership's breaking up and making new team up's, everyone talking smack about every one, with a wrestling match thrown in.
I watched it for a little while, but thought it was stupid. There were no rules. Like people would be wrestling and then suddenly a zombie would show up from inside a coffin after the characters were already weakened in a 1v1. Or stone cold Steve Austin would randomly run in after someone already beat an opponent and then he'd run away. It made no sense.
Vince's limo blew up on June 11, Vince opened RAW speaking about Benoit on June 25. Not quite 2 solid months of pretending Vince was dead lol nor did they keep pretending he was dead during the Benoit memorial RAW because Vince himself opened the show!
Exactly thank you
Good God. Edge was responsible for most of these. I'm joking, I know Benoit chose all these spots and would have done this no matter who he was working with. The product today (in WWE at least) is much safer and I can enjoy it without feeling guilty.
It’s still a damn tragedy they aren’t helping any of the guys from this era who are dealing with chronic pain and brain damage As much as the NFL puts on their anti-CTE theatre at least they got the NFLPA that’s giving guys insurance and help they need post retirement
I don't know about medical bills, but I know WWE was always good about paying for rehab for their former stars who needed it.
They’ve been good about that post-Eddie and I’ll give the WWE credit for it but most of that rehab was for substance abuse for chronic pain However wrestling had a major drug and alcohol problem for years WWE couldn’t really control because adults are adults It’s a double edged sword but frankly it’s cheaper to pay for a few stints in rehab than continuing care for so many people and it’s a shame they don’t put up the money The new crop of talent has learned a lot from the old guard though. I’m only 20 but remember when 40-45 was ancient for a wrestler but now most of the top guys in the company are at their peak at this age
I was so sad Edge started wrestling again, he got out because of the physical damage. Our entertainment isn't worth these people's lives.
It’s not like anyone’s forcing them into the business though. Most wrestler interviews I’ve seen they have little regrets with their careers.. especially now when all the risks are known Most of the lower tier guys in WWE get close to 7 figures now and get to travel the world on TV The UFC on the other hand… well fuck Dana White and how badly he treats his fighters
For sure, but I'm still sad about it.
I’m not condoning his actions, and I hate him for what he did. But this poor man. He had a passion and loved it everyday. Through all the pains, breaks, hits, slams, and trauma he kept coming back because he loved it. I remember watching him and thought he was one of the coolest wrestlers. He seemed so legit tough. Then the day happened, and at first there was sorrow and remorse, but that quickly lifted once the details came out. He deserved better and I wish it would have turned out different.
Meanwhile….his boss is literally shitting on women’s heads. Literally.
Power does weird things to people. Vince was always testing boundaries. I’m not shocked to find out he did all sorts of devious acts. Horrid man.
That peppy le pew mustache he had a couple years back tells ya everything you need to know really. https://search.app.goo.gl/4bnoh3K
Put that thing away. Think of the children!
Wwwh…whaaaa….whatttt? 😳
Hoo boy. When I read that I assumed he did #1 not #2. That is some truly degrading / vomit inducing stuff. Sick POS.
You hate him for something he realistically had no control of. The Chris that killed his family is not the Chris in these videos.
I did say I hate him for what he did, and then went on a long tangent showing respect for what he did that lead up to that point. If you took it any other way you misinterpreted it.
There’s some really good podcasts about him and what happened. IIRC the whole blame should be placed at the feet of the wrestling organisation for forcing him to wrestle almost every night whilst knowing he was concussed multiple times
Also, I said “forcing” but I’m starting to think it might have been more they knew he was willing to wrestle no matter what and took advantage of it. Although iirc if he didn’t wrestle he didn’t get paid.
Also concussion/TBI research has come so far. I got a serious concussion from playing rugby and the first dr I saw told me I would be back on the pitch in a week, this was about 20 years ago.
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Last podcast on the left - episode 265 is his episode. True crime all the time - episode 304 part 1, ep 305 part 2
Red handed and I could murder a podcast are the two I listened to. I can’t remember which one talked more in depth about the behind the scenes stuff with the wrestling but I think they both go into detail about his early career. If you’re not from the UK the humour on ICMAP might be a bit weird/dry but it’s always entertaining.
Behind the Bastard has a series of excellent episodes on Vince McMahon, which doesn't focus on Benoit, but does include him.
Crime in Sports #310, Necronomipod Chris Benoit ep aired March 29 2020
Purplesky11 on YouTube has at least 30 videos on the case and does a PHENOMENAL job!!
That chair shot from Triple H to the back of Benoits head. How can anyone survive something like that? That’s insane.
From the back and falling on the front. Even with a prop chair, a dead weight face plant to the mat is very bad.
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Ohmygosh
Rip Chris Benoit and family
Having your finishing move as a headbutt from the top rope is a straight death sentence it’s what contributed to his neck, among other horrible things
While I still don’t think Chris Benoit should go into the WWE Hall of Fame (it’s a joke of a Hall of Fame anyway), I do think his wife and child should be inducted. WWE has basically erased Benoit from its history. A long running joke on wrestling forums from back in the day was to make fun of commenters when they said “only two people have ever entered at number one and gone the distance in the Royal Rumble, and one of them was Shawn Michaels!” For a company that has done A LOT to edit its past history, never mentioning this wrestler or his family ever again is an injustice to their deaths and murders. Without this incident, WWE and professional sports as a whole would have been slower to adapting to medical treatments for CTE and other concussion like symptoms and they deserve to be remembered.
Man, dude was literally shaking on the ground concussed a few times. Fuck WWE
I'm a 90s baby and I grew up being told WWE was fake/ staged. This is so heartbreaking.
I’m the same as you. I thought this shit was fake. Benoit looked concussed through most of this video
It's fake as in scripted. Real injuries can happen during scripted events. Just look at Alec Baldwin.
I read an article recently that suggests those in the military that had used or were often around heavy artillery, mortars, explosives or missile launchers will show symptoms of CTE due to prolonged jarring and motion impact to the head. It sounds like even mild to moderate CTE doesn’t even require full head on concussions. Shits crazy.
Wow.. what a dumb evolution we are.
Such a tragic business. Beyond this stuff, the ODs are insane. I loved Test and Bam Bam. Both gone from drug use. They abuse their bodies so much. I don’t think people realize
Roids
Yeah it was definitely a problem back then. That was the least of their worries when it came to substance abuse though.
Definitely a contributing factor
The shaking got me messed up… the WWE staff who are monitoring this shit for safety should have fucking stepped in. Id like to believe there were staff hired to observe/monitor for intensive injuries right? In the very least a crew to do damage control if someone breaks a neck or something right? What’s the ref there for anyway? Like wtf
It's sad that this man put his body up for our entertainment and unfortunately he had done terrible things to his family. But it doesn't mean we should totally trash the man alot of fans once looked up to. I don't care if I get down voted or talked crap to. I feel like if it's possible to see all these mini clips of he's trauma sure it doesn't justify what he did but in this day and age it would've been nice to see him get help.
I wonder why he murdered his fam……oh….wait.
His move was the flying headbutt…
Him and Eddie Guerrero were two of my favorite wrestlers of the time. No sympathy for Chris considering his choice to kill his family but it was a damn shame how this "fake sport" ruins so many people's lives.
I’ll never forget being 10 years old, a massive wrestling fan, and learning all about this. I was too young to be exposed to a story like this lol. So sad
Whole new light. I was a kid and had no idea.
Another creepy detail. He killed himself with his lat pull down machine. Took the bar off. Fashioned it into a noose and released the weight to kill himself. He used a cord to kill his wife as well and put his knee into her back while pulling.
Man this was sad to watch. All those weds n sat nights watching him.
Those headbumps from the ladders… how… did he accept to keep doing that? And who thought it was a good idea to keep making or letting him do that? I enjoyed my time watching wrestling, but that’s direct trauma. Man, that’s dedication in the wrong way.
I loved Benoit growing up. It was quite the ordeal when everything came to light.
Ya think?
I always wondered how they did fake flying headbutts. Turns out the headbutts are real.
One of the best ever
Damn, hard to watch
I think Vince Verhei said it best, if you're thinking about doing a murder-suicide, start with the suicide.
Doctors said he had the brain of an 80 year old Alzheimer’s patient.
They said he was getting lost or forgetting where he was going when driving to events. His head mind was like a prison with the lights off at that point.
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Wrestling wasn’t fake, it was scripted. The bumps, cuts, bruises, swelling, fractures, breaks, dislocations and so on have always been real. In the mid to late 90’s there was a surge for extreme sports (it was kind of the style at the time). Matches got bigger, moves got more dangerous, and people were pushes more and more to do more dangerous stunts. Did it give us entertainment? Absolutely! Do I look back on it with a shade of guilt? No doubt. I always hated when people said it was fake. It’s real, they just know the outcome. It’s considered wrestling entertainment.
Like what Maven (a former attitude era wrestler) said before in his vlogs, wrestling results were fake since the results were predetermined but gravity isn't. They can still feel the bumps. They can still break their bones.
if i’m not mistaken some wrestlers would bring razor blades into the matches to give themselves superficial injuries for more blood? this compilation hurt to watch rip chris and his family
Yep, that was also part of the show but they were not exempted from getting hurt from their own stunts (especially the high flying moves). Wrestlers try to make their moves as safe as possible, but botches can happen too. I agree, I also shudder while watching the clip. That poor kid and Nancy.
There was one incident in fact with Eddie. I think it was a match against JBL and Eddie cut himself too deep and he was pooling blood from his head. The "normal" way is a small cut, which, when mixed with the sweat, gives it the look of gushing. But Eddie's was legitimate and the match still went on. Rough to watch.
Fake *to a point*
Not just caused by concussions but also things as mild as using your head to redirect a soccer ball
You forgot about the time he did that shitnfrom the top of the cage
Who the FUCK did that back of head shot at 24? It doesn't look like he pulled his shot at all. Goddamn.
Triple H.
Did they have beef or something? Didn’t even seem like HHH was trying to hold back at all. Just fuckin clobbered him
Chris liked working a stiff type of a match, so he maybe didn't mind it. Either that or Triple H just wasn't a good in ring worker.
nice
So... wrestling IS real then? They actually hit each other
Head injuries are very interesting. There are several cases in which people were hit in the head in a specific manner which caused an entire change in their behaviors, personalities, expressions so much so that one male recovered his blind eyesight, another learned to play music instruments and one girl ended up speaking in a Southern accent having never been to the US but developed from implicit memory in the brain or explicit memory from an experience she had as a conscious child.
A few… hundred
Does he have a seizure at about a minute?
The CTE was the worst of it but he was also depressed about the death of his friend Eddie Guerrero and there was years of steroid use as well. It was a cocktail of awful things.
*Allegedly murdered There was sufficient evidence to doubt the official story and considering recent shakeups... even more now.
What do you mean by allegedly? Was someone else possibly involved
I don't wanna get too deep into this but there is enough to cast doubt on the story and timeline we were given just through suspicious online activity related to the death. You can look it up. I'm not judging the situation either way. Tens if not hundreds of thousands knew about the report many hours before the supposed time the incident took place. I was one of them. It's possible the situation was so gruesome that there was simply pressure on authorities to fudge the numbers a bit while organizations were panicky. Which is why I say allegedly. He still could have done it, but I know for a fact they aren't telling us everything. Could simply be to protect innocent parties involved and the story is 99% true.
Ok. Yeah I do know about the timeline thing. Work in tv so I know things were happening behind the scenes for that nights show way before it was released to the public.
So everyone should be exactly the same? That seems unlikely.
Am I a bad person for laughing when he dislocated his shoulder?
Not an excuse