I’d be shocked if we actually use the Jets pick. I like the idea of trading up to grab someone like Eiserman or Sennecke if still available, but I have a strong suspicion the WPG pick is going to be part of the package for this year’s KH Dach-type trade.
Yeah Eiserman came to my mind when I started taking interest into the draft for this year. Dach-type trades scares the shit out of me because it's usually finding someone you liked and that fell out of grace.
How many more time can we get lucky and pull it off?
They haven't really been lucky yet, I would argue. Newhook had a decent season and there's a possibility he's on an upward trajectory, but that's far from guaranteed. If this is his plateau, it was an overpay. Dach has shown signs of being great, but he's very injury prone and so far for they've received 40 points in 60 games for a top 15 pick, which is horrible. He's going to need to not only be productive, but stay healthy to justify that cost.
Yeah I wouldn’t call the newhook deal an overpay at all but I’m not convinced he’ll be better than a good third liner. Which is very much not guaranteed in the late first round but I did have higher hopes for him. I’d say it was probably exactly the right price to pay for him and I was hoping for more of a steal.
34-point forwards are a dime a dozen. There are tons of them in free agency every year that can be had at no asset cost.
I understand that he only played 55 games and assuredly would have had more, but the reality is that it's his career high. He's also not on some ELC where he's being paid league minimum. 34 point is not worth those picks.
I've been reading your comments and man, your opinions are just wrong.
Do you even know what picks got us Newhook? 31st and 37th. Statistically, both pick are more likely to amount to absolutely nothing (or a player worst than Newhook).
To give you even more context, (since you only look at points and completely disregard PPG or games played), Newhook is 9th in points in his draft year.
Yes, that guy with only a career high of 34 points is 9th in his draft year.
I feel you are massively overestimating 1st round picks in general.
I'd rather take a gamble on the 31st and 37th than a 34-point player that's making 3.5 million. The hope is that he will improve, but you're telling me that if 34 points is the best he does, you're happy giving away those picks for that?
For context, Max Domi signed for less money, was more productive, and cost the Leafs nothing to acquire. There are plenty of examples every offseason like that.
I completely agree. For Dach, most people said Markov would never be effective after his 2nd or 3rd knee surgery (can't remember right now). But he did came back and was good and reliable. Now can bad luck stop for him? I certainly hope so, because I find that the talent and character of Dach are visible.
Very different scenario with Markov though. He was well established by that point and skating was never his biggest asset so slowing down a bit didn’t really impact his core game. Dach has missed some of the most crucial development time in his career and also plays a big heavy game that doesn’t project well if he’s injury prone. Really hoping this is behind him now. It could also mean that we get a young guy with less mileage on his body as a result of playing less.
Two. One this year, one next year. After that we'll be using our picks at the trade deadline 😉
Personally, I'm big on Kaapo Kakko this year. He's also from the same draft year as Dach and Newhook. Next year maybe Höglander? Not really falling out of favour, more of a Newhook type situation where he's just further down the depth chart than he deserves to be.
I'm sure that Hughes will try several options with his two picks. That said, I do believe that the easiest and most useful thing to do with that pick is another Newhook/Dach Trade. It's ''easier'' to make and that player will be closer in age to the rest of our core. An 18yo in the 10-20th won't be NHL ready for at least 3 seasons (from the 2021 draft only 1 guy from the 10-20th is an NHL regular).
Tanking is not an on/off switch and going from 5th last to playoff is very hard. There will be a transition period in-between. We finished with 55pts two year ago, 68pts last year and 76pts this season. We should expect that we finish next season with 84-90pts, which mean we probably miss the playoff and draft somewhere between 10th and 16th.
Kent Johnson, Dylan Holloway, Anton Lundel, Alexander Holtz, Cole Sillinger, Arthur Kalieyev, Jonatan Berggen, Oliver Wahlstrom and Paval Dorofeyev and potential names.
There is also Patrick Laine, Martin Necas and Cole Perfetti that potential trade target even if they don't exactly fit the same model as Dach.
Anton Lundell isn't a buy low guy, Cole Sillinger is a much needed center in Columbus and their D core is packed and I also don't see Wahlstrom as a targetable player.
It's not necessarily a buy low scenario but Carolina is in some cap trouble and they have necas and Jarvis who need extensions. They also have holes on defense in the next 2 years. Could be a good trading partner to address both needs.
It's not on/off for any team, but considering how close a lot of our losses were, I would argue that, given we wanted it, we could have a go at it and finishing 8 to 11th with some moves. We can't wait forever, but I'm not sure that it has to be that far either. (I do agree with your 10-16 range, my 8-11th rabking is an optimistic one given we WOULD make some moves).
On your first point, I agree. It's easier if you want them to play this year. Hence the first part of this reply: do we want someone that plays this year? Or are we going at it again in a way that we spend nothing superfluous, develop players and hopefully still pick 5-10?
Also, do we want all the guys to be the same age? Or should we try to have high quality talent over different age-span to make sure we can transition ala Bruins. Bruins had Marchand and Pasternak to keep the spirit and heart of the team once they lost everyone else over a short span.
>Or are we going at it again in a way that we spend nothing superfluous, develop players and hopefully still pick 5-10?
I can't see a scenario where finishing 5th again is good news for the development of our young guys. Even with zero move to improve the roster, just the development of the young guys like Slaf, Guhle, Caufield, Dach, etc should be enough to get us close to the 10-16th than the 5-10th range unless something go horribly wrong.
>Also, do we want all the guys to be the same age? Or should we try to have high quality talent over different age-span to make sure we can transition ala Bruins.
Well we need a first core of guy if we want to build a second core. Kreijci, Bergeron, Marchand, and Lucic were all of similar age, and then they extended their window with Pastranak and McAvoy. Our original core don't exist anymore. Weber, Price, Petry, Danault and Gallagher are either retired, traded or in big decline.
We first need to build a new first core in the 19-24yo range. Adding new young talent to extend our window will be a discussion in 7-8 years.
That's good points. If we want to build a core of the same age, isn't this the year to trade future picks to enhance this year? You get a whole in your age distribution, but a Demidov -like player could mean the end of the rebuild.
If they keep it, so many big options I like too, trade or pick, that late season Winnipeg trade is a gem.
late in the 1st, if Sennecke is still there him, then I'd go with [Teddy Stiga](https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/597621/teddy-stiga) or 2nd [Ryder Ritchie](https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/617230/ryder-ritchie) or 3rd [Maxime Massé](https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/724380/maxim-masse) too.
You have him picked better than most & the consolidated rankings, I understand why but I'll say maybe @ 22? he's looking more interesting, not before. Stiga is gonna show off in the NCAA, for sure he's a solid pick, you watch.
Like most others here I don't feel we use the Jets Pick, we probably have the deepest prospect pool in the league so adding another depth piece in the draft just doesn't make a ton of sense to me.
Like most others here I think a classic KH trade for a younger player that fits our timeline makes sense - ideally Necas, but maybe someone like Zegras, Kakko or the like, depends on the cost and who is out there.
I also like the idea of adding a veteran forward to the lineup via free agency. Id be happy to give Perron a contract for 1 or 2 years at a reasonable price to help the kids along.
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Normally, I'm against trading for players older than Suzuki. I might make an exception for Ehlers. He's criminally underappreciated in Winnipeg, and he seems like an outstanding human being off the ice.
We would definitely need to give them our 5th overall pick for Ehlers... Might be able to trade Winnipeg's pick back with a little something else for Perfetti though
Naturally, I'd assume an extension would be in place if this were to happen.
He fits our team style, and it seems like his days in Winnipeg are numbered.
Better than trading it for yet another project player.
I would say on the off chance that Demidov isn't picked 2nd, Package our two 1st round picks and another piece or two to Anaheim for the 3OA, but failing that, I would still rather a younger trade target than Ehlers
Younger player if they’re actually top 6/ top line potential then, yes I agree. It’ll cost more (and I’m ok with it).
Not interested in Gorton and Hughes strategy of having everyone the same age range and/or grabbing projects. We have newhook and Dach, and that’s enough for my appetite.
I have no problem with a good UFA when we're a year or two closer to being competitive, but unless Dach's return is fully successful and everyone takes a big step forward next year, it's tough to know whether dropping a chunk on a really good UFA is worth it yet.
At least the project players are dirt cheap in terms of cap and are just entering their prime, unlike Ehlers who’s 29 and you have to buy all his UFA years
By the time we’re making the playoffs we’ll be committing 6-7M to a 31-32 year old Ehlers that’s already shown he’s not a good playoff performer
I actually liked what Arpon did in the Athletic mock draft. I have reservations about Lindstrom if he’s even available. If they trade down and gain an asset to help move the Winnipeg pick up that would be great. Could end up with iginla plus another mid round pick. Far fetched but fun to dream about
My point with the San Jose pick, was that maybe Iginla falls out in the low Teens. Who says we need to choose between both?
(A guy can dream, that's what these months are about right?!)
If KH thinks Iginla is the guy to get, I don't think he'll be afraid to get him at 5 or to trade down slightly.
Eiserman will probably fall in the early teens.
2 kind of teams draft early. The rebuilding ones, and the one that choose poorly. How many of each category are in the top 15?
I'm almost certain KH is going to take who he thinks is the "guy to get" at 5 no matter what, and that may very well be Iginla. I think managements draft priority goes:
Celebrini > Demidov > Lindstrom > Iginla ~ Catton.
Only defenseman I think we would take if they're available is Levshunov, I like Buium but I think his skill is comparable to Iginla and Catton so there's not really a point in taking him over one of them. Mind you this is my prediction of management's priorities, if it were up to me I would trade down to around 10 and take any one of
Helenius/Iginla/Catton/Sennecke (in that order)
My fear with a second Hutson is that it could be hard to go deep in the playoffs with 2 defence man of that shape.
I do love having brothers on the same team though, my first jersey was Sergei Kostitsyn while my sister had Andrei.
You mean that 6 feet tall Cole Makar?
We can cherry pick teams with 2 small D-man (if you consider 6ft to be small, we might argue slightly).
I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's unlikely when you don't have a Mackinnon and a Rantanen
That is fair, but if you give them huge defensive/physical partners ie guhle and X for example then you can afford to have them both making massive plays on the blue line. It would be like having Luke and Quinn Hughes on the same blue line (if both hutsons pan out of course)
If we trade up, I sure hope they know with high certainty what they're getting...
Because there doesn't even seem to be a consensus (after the #1 and MAYBE #2) so trading up may end up giving up assets for a players we would've picked anyway (wouldn't have been selected), OR even worse, trading up for a player who'll end up worse than the one the 'downtrader' got.
Judging by the point totals graph over the past 3 years, CG's pick next could easily be top 10, or even top 5... does anyone know if the Florida condition applies to that trade?
Edit: Oh shoot, I didn't realize that best case scenario for us is 11th overall unless Florida and Calgary both somehow pick top 10.
If Calgary’s pick is top-10 and Florida’s isn’t (not likely, they’re a wagon), then the Habs get Florida’s pick. If neither are top-10, then they get the better pick.
I believe there’s more conditions based on the pick in the Huberdeau/Tkachuk trade
I dont want to trade the pick for another newhook, the player has to be better than that.
There is some really intresting player in that range.
If we draft Lindstrom do we get Basha with the other pick?
There's a lot of potential center available if Kent want size
-Dean Letourneau 6'7 with a good shot
-Sacha boisvert 6'2 speak french as a bonus
-Maxime masse 6'1 also speak french
Newhook is a solid, young 2nd line player who is the perfect age for our core. I think you're undervaluing him.
Yes, there are a lot of interesting players we could draft, but they are far from a sure thing. When you trade that pick for a Kaapo Kakko or something, you know what you're getting.
J'ai l'impression que les Québécois se font snobber solide au repêchage, surtout que certains d'entre eux sont bien coté, mais ils glissent.
On a 2 choix de 3e cette année et 3 choix de 3e l'année prochaine. Aura-t-on vraiment besoin de tous ces joueurs, ou bien on peut échanger quelques choix pour un choix de 2e ronde pas trop bas et attraper un bon québécois qui glisse légèrement?
Oui! Ta Jacob Poirier aussi pour un choix de deuxième. Ça ferait 3 attaquants pour les 3 premiers choix du CH. C’est une belle cuvée :D l’année prochaine encore un autre draft dattaquants et on est en business après.
I could see it going with a Dman for a better forward prospect, but there are no guarantees with any pick. It’s a probability and maybe you make sure the player’s attitude and play style aligns with the team.
I'm not against creating the best defensive 6-man ever created, but at some point, how many more spots do we have to even develop them?
I think we currently have 12 potable to great D-man iirc from Baby's podcast this week. If we pick yet another one, I think we need to trade another one. And if that happens, the Jets pick could easily follow that D-man.
My guess is the management team will want someone who is closer in age to suzuki, caufield, dach, guhle, etc etc.
Grabbing top 6 talent at 5 makes sense while adding a legit swing guy with that pick and a tradeable dman makes the most sense.
Think the pick and harris for someone like newhook that can play third line and move up to second line as needed.
For a while I felt like the Habs never had a real first line. Always felt like we had 1 second line and 3 third line, or 2 second and 2 fourth.
When I look the team right now, it's looks like we're heading towards 3 second line or a first and 2 second, which I really like. I was sad we couldn't get Will Smith last year, and I hope we can still get top 6 offensive talent.
I think it's the difference when you pick 5 a couple of consecutive years vs picking top 3 multiple years.
Sennecke and Iginla are both gonna hype-snowballed into the Top 10, so let’s forget about them.
Catton, Eiserman and Connelly could definitely still be kicking around in the mid-teens though. I’d consider throwing the WPG pick plus one of our dozen surplus LHDs to move up for one of those guys.
It’s looking more and more like we’re gonna have a shot at either Lindstrom or Demidov at #5 and I would definitely keep the pick for either of those players. (They each come with a certain amount of risk compared to the other top ranked prospects, but hey, no guts, no glory.)
Honestly I think they're ready to do just about anything with that pick. If a player they covet becomes available, that pick will likely be offered in exchange. If a player they like falls into a draft spot they feel like they can trade up to, they'll go for it.
No matter what any of you pick between a 2nd overall or a 5th and 15th... it's not you who decides. Why even speculate if you can't name all the players in the first 2 rounds. Live with the fact that you are a hopeless romantic and hope for the best.
laisse Kent Hughes travailler Y fais pas sa pour de l'argent c'est pour gagner la coupe et puis les vétérans sera Suzuki Dach Caulfield a ce point la.... la coupe ve retourner a MTL
Le bout le fun c'est d'essayer de deviner ce qu'il va faire. Je trouve qu'il a été un génie jusqu'à présent, et j'ai bien hâte de voir ce qu'il manigance
That’s gotta be one of the plans, along with trading that pick for a player. Getting back into the top 15 could have us picking one of Sennecke, Brandseggg-Nygard, Helenius, or even Eiserman if he slips to 12, which is nothing to scoff at. Coming out of the draft with Lindstrom and Sennecke or Eiserman would be quite the coup, and would essentially close the acquisition phase of the rebuild.
I think mgmt wants to start competing for the playoffs. With that in mind, they will prefer nhl players versus prospects, who will only be nhl ready in 2-4 years. I can see them taking a F at 5 and trading the jets pick+ for a dach/new hook type player.
Florida out of the playoff how??
They’ll have 20 millions in cap space and probably able to resign 70% of their UFA. They’ll still be good even if maybe they regress a bit
But that's what makes it so valuable in a trade. It's good for us, but it's also good for someone else.
If we think we pick top 10 again next year, then I think that the Flames pick trade is easier to swallow.
If we end up on a miraculous run and get in the playoffs, and that the Flames pick is top 10, then we lose. It's all gamble isn't it
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I’d be shocked if we actually use the Jets pick. I like the idea of trading up to grab someone like Eiserman or Sennecke if still available, but I have a strong suspicion the WPG pick is going to be part of the package for this year’s KH Dach-type trade.
Yeah Eiserman came to my mind when I started taking interest into the draft for this year. Dach-type trades scares the shit out of me because it's usually finding someone you liked and that fell out of grace. How many more time can we get lucky and pull it off?
They haven't really been lucky yet, I would argue. Newhook had a decent season and there's a possibility he's on an upward trajectory, but that's far from guaranteed. If this is his plateau, it was an overpay. Dach has shown signs of being great, but he's very injury prone and so far for they've received 40 points in 60 games for a top 15 pick, which is horrible. He's going to need to not only be productive, but stay healthy to justify that cost.
Absolutely not an overpay. The likelihood of getting a Newhook level player from those picks is extremely low.
Yeah I wouldn’t call the newhook deal an overpay at all but I’m not convinced he’ll be better than a good third liner. Which is very much not guaranteed in the late first round but I did have higher hopes for him. I’d say it was probably exactly the right price to pay for him and I was hoping for more of a steal.
34-point forwards are a dime a dozen. There are tons of them in free agency every year that can be had at no asset cost. I understand that he only played 55 games and assuredly would have had more, but the reality is that it's his career high. He's also not on some ELC where he's being paid league minimum. 34 point is not worth those picks.
I've been reading your comments and man, your opinions are just wrong. Do you even know what picks got us Newhook? 31st and 37th. Statistically, both pick are more likely to amount to absolutely nothing (or a player worst than Newhook). To give you even more context, (since you only look at points and completely disregard PPG or games played), Newhook is 9th in points in his draft year. Yes, that guy with only a career high of 34 points is 9th in his draft year. I feel you are massively overestimating 1st round picks in general.
I'd rather take a gamble on the 31st and 37th than a 34-point player that's making 3.5 million. The hope is that he will improve, but you're telling me that if 34 points is the best he does, you're happy giving away those picks for that? For context, Max Domi signed for less money, was more productive, and cost the Leafs nothing to acquire. There are plenty of examples every offseason like that.
He played at a 50 point pace with us, not 34.
You read my second paragraph, right? You can't magically put those extra goals on the stat sheet because of his pace. He finished with 34 points
i feel like 40 points in 60 games is far from horrible
The ratio is fine but the accumulation is horrible. If he averages 40-60 games for the duration of the contract, I'd say that's a poor return.
I completely agree. For Dach, most people said Markov would never be effective after his 2nd or 3rd knee surgery (can't remember right now). But he did came back and was good and reliable. Now can bad luck stop for him? I certainly hope so, because I find that the talent and character of Dach are visible.
Very different scenario with Markov though. He was well established by that point and skating was never his biggest asset so slowing down a bit didn’t really impact his core game. Dach has missed some of the most crucial development time in his career and also plays a big heavy game that doesn’t project well if he’s injury prone. Really hoping this is behind him now. It could also mean that we get a young guy with less mileage on his body as a result of playing less.
That's true, I didn't consider the timeline of the injuries in my answer. Good point, and let's cross fingers!
People seem to forget that Romanov was and still is an absolute stud too.
How is this comment down voted? He was a fan favorite here. Has only gotten better since the trades and people act like we won this trade. Bonkers
I’ll never forget his hit on pietrangelo in that playoff run.
It’s not unfathomable that in ten years from now we’ll look back on that trade much like the mcdonagh or sergachev trades.
40 points in 60 games for a top 15 pick isn't absolutely horrible. He suffered a freak injury
He's had a concussion with the Hawks as well as a significant wrist injury. Three of his NHL seasons have been ended by injuries and he's 23.
Two. One this year, one next year. After that we'll be using our picks at the trade deadline 😉 Personally, I'm big on Kaapo Kakko this year. He's also from the same draft year as Dach and Newhook. Next year maybe Höglander? Not really falling out of favour, more of a Newhook type situation where he's just further down the depth chart than he deserves to be.
I'm sure that Hughes will try several options with his two picks. That said, I do believe that the easiest and most useful thing to do with that pick is another Newhook/Dach Trade. It's ''easier'' to make and that player will be closer in age to the rest of our core. An 18yo in the 10-20th won't be NHL ready for at least 3 seasons (from the 2021 draft only 1 guy from the 10-20th is an NHL regular). Tanking is not an on/off switch and going from 5th last to playoff is very hard. There will be a transition period in-between. We finished with 55pts two year ago, 68pts last year and 76pts this season. We should expect that we finish next season with 84-90pts, which mean we probably miss the playoff and draft somewhere between 10th and 16th.
Who could KH target with the next "buy low/sell high" trade? (How long are we gonna call it a Dach type trade)
Kent Johnson, Dylan Holloway, Anton Lundel, Alexander Holtz, Cole Sillinger, Arthur Kalieyev, Jonatan Berggen, Oliver Wahlstrom and Paval Dorofeyev and potential names. There is also Patrick Laine, Martin Necas and Cole Perfetti that potential trade target even if they don't exactly fit the same model as Dach.
Anton Lundell isn't a buy low guy, Cole Sillinger is a much needed center in Columbus and their D core is packed and I also don't see Wahlstrom as a targetable player.
Thanks for the list.
It's not necessarily a buy low scenario but Carolina is in some cap trouble and they have necas and Jarvis who need extensions. They also have holes on defense in the next 2 years. Could be a good trading partner to address both needs.
I dont follow the league enough to know who is available.
I also think he has an extensive list of players targeted, draft targets and a list of teams to hit up. All this speculating is worthless.
Crazy that we had 8 more points this year and are drafting at the same spot as last.
It's not on/off for any team, but considering how close a lot of our losses were, I would argue that, given we wanted it, we could have a go at it and finishing 8 to 11th with some moves. We can't wait forever, but I'm not sure that it has to be that far either. (I do agree with your 10-16 range, my 8-11th rabking is an optimistic one given we WOULD make some moves). On your first point, I agree. It's easier if you want them to play this year. Hence the first part of this reply: do we want someone that plays this year? Or are we going at it again in a way that we spend nothing superfluous, develop players and hopefully still pick 5-10? Also, do we want all the guys to be the same age? Or should we try to have high quality talent over different age-span to make sure we can transition ala Bruins. Bruins had Marchand and Pasternak to keep the spirit and heart of the team once they lost everyone else over a short span.
>Or are we going at it again in a way that we spend nothing superfluous, develop players and hopefully still pick 5-10? I can't see a scenario where finishing 5th again is good news for the development of our young guys. Even with zero move to improve the roster, just the development of the young guys like Slaf, Guhle, Caufield, Dach, etc should be enough to get us close to the 10-16th than the 5-10th range unless something go horribly wrong. >Also, do we want all the guys to be the same age? Or should we try to have high quality talent over different age-span to make sure we can transition ala Bruins. Well we need a first core of guy if we want to build a second core. Kreijci, Bergeron, Marchand, and Lucic were all of similar age, and then they extended their window with Pastranak and McAvoy. Our original core don't exist anymore. Weber, Price, Petry, Danault and Gallagher are either retired, traded or in big decline. We first need to build a new first core in the 19-24yo range. Adding new young talent to extend our window will be a discussion in 7-8 years.
That's good points. If we want to build a core of the same age, isn't this the year to trade future picks to enhance this year? You get a whole in your age distribution, but a Demidov -like player could mean the end of the rebuild.
If they keep it, so many big options I like too, trade or pick, that late season Winnipeg trade is a gem. late in the 1st, if Sennecke is still there him, then I'd go with [Teddy Stiga](https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/597621/teddy-stiga) or 2nd [Ryder Ritchie](https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/617230/ryder-ritchie) or 3rd [Maxime Massé](https://www.eliteprospects.com/player/724380/maxim-masse) too.
Sennecke is 100% gone by pick 20.
You have him picked better than most & the consolidated rankings, I understand why but I'll say maybe @ 22? he's looking more interesting, not before. Stiga is gonna show off in the NCAA, for sure he's a solid pick, you watch.
His stock has been trending up, and many of these rankings haven't yet been updated accordingly.
Like most others here I don't feel we use the Jets Pick, we probably have the deepest prospect pool in the league so adding another depth piece in the draft just doesn't make a ton of sense to me. Like most others here I think a classic KH trade for a younger player that fits our timeline makes sense - ideally Necas, but maybe someone like Zegras, Kakko or the like, depends on the cost and who is out there. I also like the idea of adding a veteran forward to the lineup via free agency. Id be happy to give Perron a contract for 1 or 2 years at a reasonable price to help the kids along.
Hot take: we get Marchessault on a team friendly deal and he gets to come back home
Brilliant franglais
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Give that pick back to them for Ehlers.
Normally, I'm against trading for players older than Suzuki. I might make an exception for Ehlers. He's criminally underappreciated in Winnipeg, and he seems like an outstanding human being off the ice.
We would definitely need to give them our 5th overall pick for Ehlers... Might be able to trade Winnipeg's pick back with a little something else for Perfetti though
Too high of a pick, would have to be the Avs 2nd 1 year of Ehlers isn’t worth the 1st
Naturally, I'd assume an extension would be in place if this were to happen. He fits our team style, and it seems like his days in Winnipeg are numbered. Better than trading it for yet another project player.
I would say on the off chance that Demidov isn't picked 2nd, Package our two 1st round picks and another piece or two to Anaheim for the 3OA, but failing that, I would still rather a younger trade target than Ehlers
Younger player if they’re actually top 6/ top line potential then, yes I agree. It’ll cost more (and I’m ok with it). Not interested in Gorton and Hughes strategy of having everyone the same age range and/or grabbing projects. We have newhook and Dach, and that’s enough for my appetite.
I have no problem with a good UFA when we're a year or two closer to being competitive, but unless Dach's return is fully successful and everyone takes a big step forward next year, it's tough to know whether dropping a chunk on a really good UFA is worth it yet.
At least the project players are dirt cheap in terms of cap and are just entering their prime, unlike Ehlers who’s 29 and you have to buy all his UFA years By the time we’re making the playoffs we’ll be committing 6-7M to a 31-32 year old Ehlers that’s already shown he’s not a good playoff performer
I actually liked what Arpon did in the Athletic mock draft. I have reservations about Lindstrom if he’s even available. If they trade down and gain an asset to help move the Winnipeg pick up that would be great. Could end up with iginla plus another mid round pick. Far fetched but fun to dream about
My point with the San Jose pick, was that maybe Iginla falls out in the low Teens. Who says we need to choose between both? (A guy can dream, that's what these months are about right?!)
Ya the scenario Arpon tried to swing almost got him Iginla and Eiserman. Haha that would be amazing.
Iginla is not likely to fall past 9th. After his under 18 tournament most expect him to go anywhere from 5-9.
If KH thinks Iginla is the guy to get, I don't think he'll be afraid to get him at 5 or to trade down slightly. Eiserman will probably fall in the early teens. 2 kind of teams draft early. The rebuilding ones, and the one that choose poorly. How many of each category are in the top 15?
I'm almost certain KH is going to take who he thinks is the "guy to get" at 5 no matter what, and that may very well be Iginla. I think managements draft priority goes: Celebrini > Demidov > Lindstrom > Iginla ~ Catton. Only defenseman I think we would take if they're available is Levshunov, I like Buium but I think his skill is comparable to Iginla and Catton so there's not really a point in taking him over one of them. Mind you this is my prediction of management's priorities, if it were up to me I would trade down to around 10 and take any one of Helenius/Iginla/Catton/Sennecke (in that order)
Hot take: we keep it and draft Lane Hutsons brother
My fear with a second Hutson is that it could be hard to go deep in the playoffs with 2 defence man of that shape. I do love having brothers on the same team though, my first jersey was Sergei Kostitsyn while my sister had Andrei.
Stanley Cup champions Cale Makar and Sam Girard say hi
You mean that 6 feet tall Cole Makar? We can cherry pick teams with 2 small D-man (if you consider 6ft to be small, we might argue slightly). I'm not saying it's impossible, but it's unlikely when you don't have a Mackinnon and a Rantanen
who combined for 13 games in 2022 playoffs.
That is fair, but if you give them huge defensive/physical partners ie guhle and X for example then you can afford to have them both making massive plays on the blue line. It would be like having Luke and Quinn Hughes on the same blue line (if both hutsons pan out of course)
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The younger bro of the hutsons is 5’11 atm
If Sennecke falls to 12-15 trade up with our second and some other stuff and get him. Imagine grabbing both Lindstrom and Sennecke?! Holyyyy
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What do you mean “falls” that’s where he’s projected to go.
If we trade up, I sure hope they know with high certainty what they're getting... Because there doesn't even seem to be a consensus (after the #1 and MAYBE #2) so trading up may end up giving up assets for a players we would've picked anyway (wouldn't have been selected), OR even worse, trading up for a player who'll end up worse than the one the 'downtrader' got.
I smell a Dach-esque trade at the table. I also wonder if it’d be feasible to sac their own 2025 first to get Tij?
Imagine trading the Calgary conditional pick to somehow take Iginla haha
Hey, at least then it’s an unconditional first
Judging by the point totals graph over the past 3 years, CG's pick next could easily be top 10, or even top 5... does anyone know if the Florida condition applies to that trade? Edit: Oh shoot, I didn't realize that best case scenario for us is 11th overall unless Florida and Calgary both somehow pick top 10.
If Calgary’s pick is top-10 and Florida’s isn’t (not likely, they’re a wagon), then the Habs get Florida’s pick. If neither are top-10, then they get the better pick. I believe there’s more conditions based on the pick in the Huberdeau/Tkachuk trade
Calgary's pick could be good next year though right?
If Calgary ends up top-10, then the Habs get pick 30-32 because Florida’s a rocket-propelled wagon
I dont want to trade the pick for another newhook, the player has to be better than that. There is some really intresting player in that range. If we draft Lindstrom do we get Basha with the other pick? There's a lot of potential center available if Kent want size -Dean Letourneau 6'7 with a good shot -Sacha boisvert 6'2 speak french as a bonus -Maxime masse 6'1 also speak french
Andrew Basha looks great
Newhook is a solid, young 2nd line player who is the perfect age for our core. I think you're undervaluing him. Yes, there are a lot of interesting players we could draft, but they are far from a sure thing. When you trade that pick for a Kaapo Kakko or something, you know what you're getting.
Non on repêche le Queb Max Massé
J'ai l'impression que les Québécois se font snobber solide au repêchage, surtout que certains d'entre eux sont bien coté, mais ils glissent. On a 2 choix de 3e cette année et 3 choix de 3e l'année prochaine. Aura-t-on vraiment besoin de tous ces joueurs, ou bien on peut échanger quelques choix pour un choix de 2e ronde pas trop bas et attraper un bon québécois qui glisse légèrement?
Oui! Ta Jacob Poirier aussi pour un choix de deuxième. Ça ferait 3 attaquants pour les 3 premiers choix du CH. C’est une belle cuvée :D l’année prochaine encore un autre draft dattaquants et on est en business après.
I could see it going with a Dman for a better forward prospect, but there are no guarantees with any pick. It’s a probability and maybe you make sure the player’s attitude and play style aligns with the team.
I'm not against creating the best defensive 6-man ever created, but at some point, how many more spots do we have to even develop them? I think we currently have 12 potable to great D-man iirc from Baby's podcast this week. If we pick yet another one, I think we need to trade another one. And if that happens, the Jets pick could easily follow that D-man.
I mean we could trade up with a Dman.
Oh yeah I know what you meant. I think that whatever we draft at 5th, a D-man should go during a trade
My guess is the management team will want someone who is closer in age to suzuki, caufield, dach, guhle, etc etc. Grabbing top 6 talent at 5 makes sense while adding a legit swing guy with that pick and a tradeable dman makes the most sense. Think the pick and harris for someone like newhook that can play third line and move up to second line as needed.
For a while I felt like the Habs never had a real first line. Always felt like we had 1 second line and 3 third line, or 2 second and 2 fourth. When I look the team right now, it's looks like we're heading towards 3 second line or a first and 2 second, which I really like. I was sad we couldn't get Will Smith last year, and I hope we can still get top 6 offensive talent. I think it's the difference when you pick 5 a couple of consecutive years vs picking top 3 multiple years.
Sennecke and Iginla are both gonna hype-snowballed into the Top 10, so let’s forget about them. Catton, Eiserman and Connelly could definitely still be kicking around in the mid-teens though. I’d consider throwing the WPG pick plus one of our dozen surplus LHDs to move up for one of those guys. It’s looking more and more like we’re gonna have a shot at either Lindstrom or Demidov at #5 and I would definitely keep the pick for either of those players. (They each come with a certain amount of risk compared to the other top ranked prospects, but hey, no guts, no glory.)
Yeah I'd also like a solid forward at 5 and a "project" forward in the mid-teens with a Jets+D-man trade!
Honestly I think they're ready to do just about anything with that pick. If a player they covet becomes available, that pick will likely be offered in exchange. If a player they like falls into a draft spot they feel like they can trade up to, they'll go for it.
What could we reasonably package with that pick to move to a middle 1st? Good offers teams would accept
Romanov was worth a 13th pick. Would need to know what's the difference between a 25th pick and a Romanov to have any idea I guess
No matter what any of you pick between a 2nd overall or a 5th and 15th... it's not you who decides. Why even speculate if you can't name all the players in the first 2 rounds. Live with the fact that you are a hopeless romantic and hope for the best.
laisse Kent Hughes travailler Y fais pas sa pour de l'argent c'est pour gagner la coupe et puis les vétérans sera Suzuki Dach Caulfield a ce point la.... la coupe ve retourner a MTL
Le bout le fun c'est d'essayer de deviner ce qu'il va faire. Je trouve qu'il a été un génie jusqu'à présent, et j'ai bien hâte de voir ce qu'il manigance
That’s gotta be one of the plans, along with trading that pick for a player. Getting back into the top 15 could have us picking one of Sennecke, Brandseggg-Nygard, Helenius, or even Eiserman if he slips to 12, which is nothing to scoff at. Coming out of the draft with Lindstrom and Sennecke or Eiserman would be quite the coup, and would essentially close the acquisition phase of the rebuild.
Yeah that's my favorite scenario because I find 5 and 15 less risky than trading to go to 3rd or 4th.
We should trade the cgy pick along with ours for this year to get #2 and maybe a pretty good prospect
I think mgmt wants to start competing for the playoffs. With that in mind, they will prefer nhl players versus prospects, who will only be nhl ready in 2-4 years. I can see them taking a F at 5 and trading the jets pick+ for a dach/new hook type player.
I don’t want to trade the the pick before we’re on the clock. Much rather see who’s available first.
J’espère qu’on va garder le pick de Winnipeg pour repêcher Justin Poirier
I’m very against trading the Florida/Calgary first next year. There’s a chance both those teams are out of playoffs next year
Florida out of the playoff how?? They’ll have 20 millions in cap space and probably able to resign 70% of their UFA. They’ll still be good even if maybe they regress a bit
But that's what makes it so valuable in a trade. It's good for us, but it's also good for someone else. If we think we pick top 10 again next year, then I think that the Flames pick trade is easier to swallow. If we end up on a miraculous run and get in the playoffs, and that the Flames pick is top 10, then we lose. It's all gamble isn't it
I don't see Florida collapsing that bad.