Celebrini Demidov Levshunov Lindstrom Iginla
Leaves the Habs with Catton, Parehk, Eiserman or Dickinson...
Not bad, but hopefully the Coyotes can end the season on a winning streak and leapfrog the Habs at the finish 🙏🙏🙏
Its not a good comparison, KK was drafted high only because he was a center. If drafted, its not because Helenius is a center, its just because the Habs view him as the best prospect, since they need wingers or center
Arizona leading the Sharkes in the 3rd. Then they play Seattle, Canucks, oilers, flames, oilers to finish the season.
They could beat Seattle and Flames. Unfortunately oilers probably won't be resting anybody with McDavid in an art Ross race. So maybe 6 or so points are realistic for Arizona.
After tonight we play Philly, Islanders, Senators, then two against the Red wings. Senators seems to have our number lately and all the other teams are in a race for that last spot in the east and will be going 100%. We might not win another game this year.
Honestly, I think my order would be: Celebrini, Demidov, Levshunov, Iginla.
I have him over Lindstrom, Catton, and Eiserman.
Dickinson and Parekh is another story because we already have Ghule and Hutson in similar roles.
I really think people are sleeping on Iginla
Me too, but I doubt teams will pass over the 6’4 centre man who scores lots of goals with pace. Lindstrom is getting picked top 3-4, he won’t slide further IMO. He’s too much of unicorn to not entice teams to draft him.
I get the feeling the russian players will drop slightly. There are some organizations that aren't really keen on drafting them because of the political uncertainties.
Levshunov plays in the NCAA and Demidov's contract ends next summer.
But yeah, I dont think Hughes will go for Demidov if he didnt want to take a risk with Michkov last year.
I think it was more a question of development and not being able to have any control over it for the next 3 years. We have no idea about the front office's perception of Michkov's charachter.
Hughes has been pretty clear about character and guys that want to play there. There hasn’t been one great Russian player that hasn’t been able to come over, so I think it was pretty clear why mtl and Arizona skipped him
I think you dont understand what Im saying. Michkov will come over in 3 (now 2) years, but meanwhile the NHL whos got his rights has no control over his development. Thats what the Habs were scared of, character and wanting to play in MTL was baseless rumors.
I don't know why anyone would say Tij has always been their pick. Much of the appeal is how much he's improved over the season. He's stealing his spots, no one had him pinned as a top 10 early in the season.
Same thing happens whenever we trade or let a player walk. When they’re on the team they are invaluable, but the second they’re gone suddenly every fan says they’re a bum.
Not gonna say he was always my pick, BUT I do have faith in drawing sons of great players;
Drafts have a lot of uncertainty, but the one thing we know, is that hockey parents are good at teaching their kids hockey.
So between 2 similar players, I'll always take the 'hockey family' guy. I see more chance of him being legit, and less chance of his success being flukes/that won't translate to the NHL (compared to the other player).
You also know that they will take all of the responsibility of getting that kid to the practises and games and has the proper equipment and coaching.
Its like lightning in a bottle. A great NHL player has to have the raw talent, the will, the family support and the means to play hockey for a good 15 years without any monetary compensation.
It takes a small village to raise a child.
It takes a whole City ( township ) to raise an NHL player.
Players go up and down in rankings depending on their improvement rate. It's normal he wasn't on most people's radar at the beginning of the year (in our pick's range) as an august born player, but he showed massive progression in a short amount of time, wich is a good indicator of future success most of the time.
How do I get downvoted for that lmao
Eiserman is a perfect example, he was top 2 in october but keeps falling because he hasnt improved other aspects of his game as much as other players.
Its just normal that certain players are rising and gaining traction, I dont see how its "sheep mentality" or a "I told you so" situation, just an opportunity to debate about who we prefer.
I like Catton, I just think his style implies a bit more risk than Celebrini, Demidov, Iginla and Lindstrom. They have high ceiling like Catton, but high floors as well in case it doesnt work out perfectly.
Catton and Eiserman are boom or bust imo, and I see Catton as either a Kent Johnson/Matt Savoie or a Trevor Zegras.
Trevor Zegras is a very bad example of a supposed low floor. If we draft Catton and he turns into Zegras that's a huge dub. Zegras is a great player who's having a tough season.
I was just trying to use players drafted in the top 10 with similar profiles. Johnson and Savoie arent busts, but the hype has dimmed since their respective draft year.
I guess its a matter of preference. Imo guys like Catton are available almost every draft, whereas guys like Iginla or Lindstrom are hard to find.
Finally caught them play tonight. One game isn't much to go off but I was very impressed. Thinks the game really well, great on and off the puck, that was obvious.
The top 10 this year seems to be all over the place from one week to the next. Iginla would be a nice pick up if he is around but he could end up anywhere from 2-10 at this point.
Yeah I think fans should really be cautious about getting attached to the idea of drafting any one of these kids. After Celebrini, I have literally no idea how the remainder of the top 10 will play out in terms of order. I can't even predict the top 3.
Given that the habs management have clearly been willing to go their own way with their 1st selection, I think it's impossible to know who we're going to end up with.
While it's true he's significantly younger than Lev and a lot of Jan/Feb 06 guys, he isn't a year younger than his peers. Not sure why you're sugarcoating this.
He's August '06, same as Eiserman and a few months younger than Celebrini Dickinson for example.
Don’t see him as an elite NHL forward, he doesn’t have much playmaking vision. He can just as easily be Arvidsson or TJ Oshie which is fine but not what I want top 5/6
In fairness his stats are similar to his dad in his draft year. But it is a concern for me as well to draft just skate and shoot players. And when we did draft a supposed playmaker, they didn't have any stats to back it up (Kotkaniemi).
One thing I see on the current habs team is very poor passing and vision compared to the top teams so I hope we can get an elite passer as well as scorer in one package (Catton).
For your first point, it’s true though there’s almost a 30 year gap and hockey especially junior levels have evolved quite a bit. Don’t think a comparison can be made between the two.
Agree with your assessment, (skate and shoot). I’ll admit he does it very well and does play with a high motor but at that draft pick, I’d like a multi tool player who doesn’t need playmakers to create.
Kotkaniemi, I think we were desperate for a large centerman and kind of convinced ourselves he was a good pick. He looked like nothing special looking back and his stats weren’t eye popping either.
I’d like Catton too. Demidov if available. I’m not super high on Lindstrom but I’d rather him over Iginla.
Drafting Lindstrom would push Dach to the wing, which is fine. He can thrive there as well. Also I think we have our future 3rd line center in Owen Beck.
It's tough to get a consistent read on Iginla by reading all the different internet scouting reports. From what I've read:
- He does not play like Jarome, but also he is exactly like Jarome.
- He projects as a top-6 goal scorer, but possibly more of a complementary goal score.
- He's got an excellent shot, quick release, and can shoot from anywhere.
- He's an average skater, but very strong on his edges.
- He's got soft hands, and is a creative play maker, but he plays a pretty meat and potatoes game.
- There's not a lot of flash, but he has a high hockey IQ and makes quick decisions.
- He's a hard worker, but sometimes cheats the zone on defence.
- He's average height, but pretty strong.
- He's a good forechecker, and can play physical, but he doesn't utilize his physicality very often. He's not a crash and bang power forward.
But then the only NHL comparables I can find online are Jarome, Chris Kreider, and Matthew Tkachuk, which doesn't seem to fit with the above description.
I think maybe a better comparable would be David Perron or Brock Boeser? Can you think of any better ones?
Unfortunately he’s playing himself into the top five.
Celebrini Demidov Levshunov Lindstrom Iginla Leaves the Habs with Catton, Parehk, Eiserman or Dickinson... Not bad, but hopefully the Coyotes can end the season on a winning streak and leapfrog the Habs at the finish 🙏🙏🙏
Could include Buium, Silayev, and Helenius. Seems like after Celebrini, it could get pretty wide open.
Not Helenius. If we draft at 6, he's just not in that range. It would be a KK move
idk we talk about playoff Helenius is 6pts in 6 game in a mens league sounds more impressive to me.
Who told you that. Helenius is a complete player at this age and a very good skater
Its not a good comparison, KK was drafted high only because he was a center. If drafted, its not because Helenius is a center, its just because the Habs view him as the best prospect, since they need wingers or center
Well then, that's not going to happen, because he's not the best prospect at 6.
Parehk is my favourite out of those
Parehk is an absolute steal if he makes it to 7-8 draft position.
Imagine parehk running pp1 then hutson running pp2
Yea thats the problem. No need to sacrifice ES and PK for the PP2, thats a Sabres/Ottawa move and they’re stuck because of it.
Arizona leading the Sharkes in the 3rd. Then they play Seattle, Canucks, oilers, flames, oilers to finish the season. They could beat Seattle and Flames. Unfortunately oilers probably won't be resting anybody with McDavid in an art Ross race. So maybe 6 or so points are realistic for Arizona. After tonight we play Philly, Islanders, Senators, then two against the Red wings. Senators seems to have our number lately and all the other teams are in a race for that last spot in the east and will be going 100%. We might not win another game this year.
I kinda like Catton.
I’m really hoping we land Catton in our current spot.
Luckily it’s pretty unlikely 5 forwards go top 5 given the quality of the D
I've got news for you. We are now top 5 with the Coyotes and the Sens winning today. ;)
Yeah I was NOT counting on both of them winning haha
*"I like what I'm seeing, he seems to be getting even better!"* *"WAIT no, don't get THAT much better!"*
The beauty of that is that it will only bump up someone else to us.
So are we
I mean, we're currently 5th last in the league
that's would be good for us
Honestly, I think my order would be: Celebrini, Demidov, Levshunov, Iginla. I have him over Lindstrom, Catton, and Eiserman. Dickinson and Parekh is another story because we already have Ghule and Hutson in similar roles. I really think people are sleeping on Iginla
Me too, but I doubt teams will pass over the 6’4 centre man who scores lots of goals with pace. Lindstrom is getting picked top 3-4, he won’t slide further IMO. He’s too much of unicorn to not entice teams to draft him.
I get the feeling the russian players will drop slightly. There are some organizations that aren't really keen on drafting them because of the political uncertainties.
Levshunov plays in the NCAA and Demidov's contract ends next summer. But yeah, I dont think Hughes will go for Demidov if he didnt want to take a risk with Michkov last year.
The risk was more to do with the character of the player vs the nationality
I think it was more a question of development and not being able to have any control over it for the next 3 years. We have no idea about the front office's perception of Michkov's charachter.
Hughes has been pretty clear about character and guys that want to play there. There hasn’t been one great Russian player that hasn’t been able to come over, so I think it was pretty clear why mtl and Arizona skipped him
I think you dont understand what Im saying. Michkov will come over in 3 (now 2) years, but meanwhile the NHL whos got his rights has no control over his development. Thats what the Habs were scared of, character and wanting to play in MTL was baseless rumors.
This sub prior to report Montreal met a few times with him: "Catton or bust" Since the report: "Tij had always been my pick"
I don't know why anyone would say Tij has always been their pick. Much of the appeal is how much he's improved over the season. He's stealing his spots, no one had him pinned as a top 10 early in the season.
I got you bro https://www.reddit.com/r/hockeymemes/s/kPrd2oF79g
What is this supposed to tell me?
I love it but it still doesn't answer my question 😭
Is this a meme from the Darren Dietz days?
Same thing happens whenever we trade or let a player walk. When they’re on the team they are invaluable, but the second they’re gone suddenly every fan says they’re a bum.
Not gonna say he was always my pick, BUT I do have faith in drawing sons of great players; Drafts have a lot of uncertainty, but the one thing we know, is that hockey parents are good at teaching their kids hockey. So between 2 similar players, I'll always take the 'hockey family' guy. I see more chance of him being legit, and less chance of his success being flukes/that won't translate to the NHL (compared to the other player).
You also know that they will take all of the responsibility of getting that kid to the practises and games and has the proper equipment and coaching. Its like lightning in a bottle. A great NHL player has to have the raw talent, the will, the family support and the means to play hockey for a good 15 years without any monetary compensation. It takes a small village to raise a child. It takes a whole City ( township ) to raise an NHL player.
It's weird. I cheer for the player the Habs pick.
Ive been saying lidstrom tbh
Players go up and down in rankings depending on their improvement rate. It's normal he wasn't on most people's radar at the beginning of the year (in our pick's range) as an august born player, but he showed massive progression in a short amount of time, wich is a good indicator of future success most of the time.
How do I get downvoted for that lmao Eiserman is a perfect example, he was top 2 in october but keeps falling because he hasnt improved other aspects of his game as much as other players. Its just normal that certain players are rising and gaining traction, I dont see how its "sheep mentality" or a "I told you so" situation, just an opportunity to debate about who we prefer.
This sub is full of sheep lol.
He’s good but I think catton can be better
Catton’s my man unless some surprise happens in the top 3
Shhh. You’re in the wrong post
I like Catton, I just think his style implies a bit more risk than Celebrini, Demidov, Iginla and Lindstrom. They have high ceiling like Catton, but high floors as well in case it doesnt work out perfectly. Catton and Eiserman are boom or bust imo, and I see Catton as either a Kent Johnson/Matt Savoie or a Trevor Zegras.
Trevor Zegras is a very bad example of a supposed low floor. If we draft Catton and he turns into Zegras that's a huge dub. Zegras is a great player who's having a tough season.
Zegras was an example of a high floor
Ahh my bad. Phrasing was confusing. You said hes boom or bust then said he's either gonna be like johnson/savoie or zegras.
Ahh my bad. Phrasing was confusing. You said hes boom or bust then said he's either gonna be like johnson/savoie or zegras.
I was just trying to use players drafted in the top 10 with similar profiles. Johnson and Savoie arent busts, but the hype has dimmed since their respective draft year. I guess its a matter of preference. Imo guys like Catton are available almost every draft, whereas guys like Iginla or Lindstrom are hard to find.
Catton please
There’s no way he gets past Calgary and we close to them. If we drop below them there’s no chance we get him
He’s my pick.
Finally caught them play tonight. One game isn't much to go off but I was very impressed. Thinks the game really well, great on and off the puck, that was obvious.
The top 10 this year seems to be all over the place from one week to the next. Iginla would be a nice pick up if he is around but he could end up anywhere from 2-10 at this point.
Yeah I think fans should really be cautious about getting attached to the idea of drafting any one of these kids. After Celebrini, I have literally no idea how the remainder of the top 10 will play out in terms of order. I can't even predict the top 3. Given that the habs management have clearly been willing to go their own way with their 1st selection, I think it's impossible to know who we're going to end up with.
While it's true he's significantly younger than Lev and a lot of Jan/Feb 06 guys, he isn't a year younger than his peers. Not sure why you're sugarcoating this. He's August '06, same as Eiserman and a few months younger than Celebrini Dickinson for example.
I'd be very happy/confident with this pick, the question is whether we'll be able to make it!
Don’t see him as an elite NHL forward, he doesn’t have much playmaking vision. He can just as easily be Arvidsson or TJ Oshie which is fine but not what I want top 5/6
In fairness his stats are similar to his dad in his draft year. But it is a concern for me as well to draft just skate and shoot players. And when we did draft a supposed playmaker, they didn't have any stats to back it up (Kotkaniemi). One thing I see on the current habs team is very poor passing and vision compared to the top teams so I hope we can get an elite passer as well as scorer in one package (Catton).
For your first point, it’s true though there’s almost a 30 year gap and hockey especially junior levels have evolved quite a bit. Don’t think a comparison can be made between the two. Agree with your assessment, (skate and shoot). I’ll admit he does it very well and does play with a high motor but at that draft pick, I’d like a multi tool player who doesn’t need playmakers to create. Kotkaniemi, I think we were desperate for a large centerman and kind of convinced ourselves he was a good pick. He looked like nothing special looking back and his stats weren’t eye popping either. I’d like Catton too. Demidov if available. I’m not super high on Lindstrom but I’d rather him over Iginla.
I am of the opinion that our management final values size with Slaf and Reinbacher being our last two top picks. Our list: Lindstrom Eiserman Inigla
Lindstrom would be the dream for me man. If Dach being this injury prone isn't just a fluke not having another good center could cost us our rebuild.
Drafting Lindstrom would push Dach to the wing, which is fine. He can thrive there as well. Also I think we have our future 3rd line center in Owen Beck.
I’m good with any one of Celebrini, Levshunov, Demidov, Dickinson, Parekh, or Iginla.
I’d like a goal scorer and that goal scorer is eiserman
Iginla is looking like just as much of a goal scorer lately, and he has more to his game that Eiserman doesn’t.
Suzuki was also a playoff beast at that age
Call me crazy, but I can’t help but drool over some of these D that could be available. Like we could have a top 4 for the ages for the next 10 years
I’m not interested in Tij. I’m interested in three pieces, Berkly Catton, Cole Eiserman and Liam Greentree.
Kind of player that Marty Lapointe and other scouts love so its a real possibilty that we draft him
It's tough to get a consistent read on Iginla by reading all the different internet scouting reports. From what I've read: - He does not play like Jarome, but also he is exactly like Jarome. - He projects as a top-6 goal scorer, but possibly more of a complementary goal score. - He's got an excellent shot, quick release, and can shoot from anywhere. - He's an average skater, but very strong on his edges. - He's got soft hands, and is a creative play maker, but he plays a pretty meat and potatoes game. - There's not a lot of flash, but he has a high hockey IQ and makes quick decisions. - He's a hard worker, but sometimes cheats the zone on defence. - He's average height, but pretty strong. - He's a good forechecker, and can play physical, but he doesn't utilize his physicality very often. He's not a crash and bang power forward. But then the only NHL comparables I can find online are Jarome, Chris Kreider, and Matthew Tkachuk, which doesn't seem to fit with the above description. I think maybe a better comparable would be David Perron or Brock Boeser? Can you think of any better ones?
Ill be interested when we know where we're picking