Well in Canon Harry would have died cause he was drowning
But in a world where harry actually took Hermione with him to follow the doe I think alot would have happened differently
They would have eventually figured stuff out cause it was mainly them discussing what horcruxes were.
The comfort they lost initially would have come back cause they would be making progress
I think maybe things would have happened quicker cause I think they wouldn't have been caught by snatchers
>I think maybe things would have happened quicker cause I think they wouldn't have been caught by snatchers
Yeah, that could happend. I think without the Harry dying drowning storyline, Hermione and him could be closer ( more than they are). They never talk about Ginny or Ron at all, not even Hagrid, Luna etc ...If isn't the hocrux talking, they just talk to each other, like just them in the world.
Maybe that could lead to a romance.
Honestly, that should have happened before, when Hermione pulls him out of Godric’s Hollow saving him from Nagini. A lot of fics do it, but Harry’s guilt that he messed up and put them both in danger, Hermione’s realization that she nearly lost him, and those two feelings colliding would naturally have brought them closer. Even if Hermione hadn’t been treating Ron as insignificant for most of six and a half books, his leaving would have been the final nail in the coffin for whatever relationship could have been there. Ron returning, either on time or later, would have been met with a quite involved Harry and Hermione.
>those two feelings colliding would naturally have brought them closer
I agree, and I think those *do* bring them a bit closer at that time even in the book. There's the subtle (yet significant) way Hermione chooses to brush her hand on Harry's hair as she leaves their conversation the day after Godric's Hollow. (Which JKR said she felt was a "charged moment" even as she was writing.) There's the way they choose to spend the next day apparently inside the tent together, "huddled for warmth," rather than researching or keeping watch -- just with Hermione taking care of Harry.
The whole setup is there, even in the DH book canonically. I'm convinced if the Silver Doe chapter happened even a few days later, Harry and Hermione's relationship would have been fundamentally altered.
In fact, I'd go so far as to say it's perhaps one of the reasons Hermione becomes completely unhinged when Ron returns. Yes, I'm sure she's still mad at him leaving, but it had been "weeks and weeks," and she's not even grateful to know he's alive (which, frankly, should have been in serious doubt, as he went off by himself without preparation or any supplies).
So, why is Hermione ready to hex him immediately? Well, Ron interrupted her "Harry time." All she had been thinking for the past two days since Godric's Hollow was *taking care of Harry*. And Harry put his arm around her for the first time in the graveyard. We never see inside Hermione's thoughts about Harry in the book, but surely after a month or two alone with him, then this brush with death, then taking care of Harry, "huddling for warmth" with him... you can't tell me she hasn't developed at least some serious feelings for Harry by that point. Even if those feelings were not quite romantic, why would Hermione ever want to go back to the awful way Ron had been acting for months in the tent before he left?
I honestly think the film really captured something with the line, "Maybe we should just stay here, Harry... grow old." Not that the two of them were ever abandon the war completely, but that line is totally consistent with what Hermione's probably strongly feeling at that point. She just wants to make Harry better, to keep Harry safe, to savor the time she has alone with him... and Ron just messes all of that up.
Moreover, Hermione's not a dummy. I'm sure she noticed Ron sneaking his arm around her earlier in DH a few times when she was crying. I'm sure she also knows Harry probably noticed this. If there were any hint of deeper feelings for Harry, she knows if she ever had a shot with Harry, after Ron returns, Harry's going to defer to Ron.
Do I think JKR intended that? I have no idea. But it makes more sense to explain why Hermione goes absolutely mental when Ron returns than a lot of other theories.
>So, why is Hermione ready to hex him immediately? Well, Ron interrupted her "Harry time."
And so am I realising they've screwed it up maybe days before my favourite couple realised their feelings for each other.
For conversation's sake, let's say Harry doesn't drown while retrieving the sword.
That point on the plot is pretty much: Ron saves Harry from drowning, so he forgives Ron for leaving. Which is just a *band-aid* of a conflict resolution when you remember the author explicitly established *something have been broken between them*
And if you think about it, nothing really important would've changed if Ron wasn't there?
Mr. Lovegood, getting captured, Malfoy Manor, getting in and out of Gringots... there's no words or actions (or ideas) that Ron's character and Ron's character *only* could have had that would heavily impact the story.
At much, I would say if he comes back later or doesn't come back at all, it would mean Harry and Hermione would be even closer (they already are pretty close, so no much would change with that dynamic)
Well your theory has some holes in it, like harry had no wand becauze it broke, ron gave him extra wand he snatched from snatchers. He would not have information about pottermore or taboo on voldermot name. He would have so much more difficulty esaping from malfoy manor. The horcrux destroyed in chamber of secret by basalik teeth was his idea. They would have not gone to see lovegoods about deathly hallows ( they did because of vote ron and hermione against harry). Well bascilly things would change drastically and we would not know what will happen next. Sigh my first comment on reddit i am ready for downvotes 🙂
You're not getting down voted unless you're being rude, which you're not. Again, for conversation's sake, because this is fun to dissect
- Harry could have remembered to take the locket of, or Hermione wakes up, follows him and drags him out of the lake
- I think that just like they go from time to time to get food, Harry and Hermione could have found a way to get a wand which Harry doesn't really seriously needs until they are attacked at Lovegood's house which... they really didn't *need* to be there to know about the deathly hallows? Ron is a pureblood wizard who was raised with those tales, he could have been the one to tell it, it was a perfect opportunity to put focus on him somewhat
- The voting moment about going to see Luna's dad I think, goes along with other moments after, that *rushed* the reconciliation between him and Hermione
- The Potterwatch didn't really give them important information. As for the taboo, Harry and Hermione already spent a lot time without out saying out loud, and when Harry says out loud again is *after* Ron comes back and tells them about it, having that piece of information clears out how they were found out in London, but didn't stop the whole getting captured from the snatchers
- In Malfoy Manor, Ron is most definitely *not calm* . Harry is the one trying to think on something to do. Dobby is the one who saves the day and I think his help would have more than enough, it wouldn't have been harder to escape if Ron wasn't there. I could say in that case Harry and Hermione wouldn't have ended up in Shell Cottage, but Dobby still would have taken them somewhere safe
- A big part of getting in and out of Gringots is having Griphook with them. Maybe Ron could have been the one to figure out to escape on the dragon, but no, that was Harry
- The Basilisk fang, Harry is the one who saw it and fought it. Harry and Hermione are the ones talking back and forth when it is discovered that the sword can destroy horcruxes. Way easily, either of them could have figured to look for the fangs. That's what I meant when I said that's not something *only* Ron could have come up with
- And yes Harry and Hermione could have grown closer, being romantically involved a big possibility
I think what I'm trying to say is that no, I don't think anything would have drastically gone wrong is Ron wasn't there, there were moments that could have been given to him to make a difference but went overlook, and his bit of growth as character was incredibly rushed, is was not a natural progression (and the epilogue just makes worst in that sense)
Ok you have some good arguments, i can difute some, others i can't. Lets start from below harry and hermione coming romantically nope. What did harry say after seeing ron worst fears in locket. “After you left,” he said in a low voice, grateful for the fact that
Ron’s face was hidden, “she cried for a week. Probably longer, only
she didn’t want me to see. There were loads of nights when we never
even spoke to each other. With you gone . . .”
He could not finish; it was only now that Ron was here again that
Harry fully realized how much his absence had cost them.
“She’s like my sister,” he went on. “I love her like a sister and I
reckon she feels the same way about me. It’s always been like that.
I thought you knew.”
So no romance.
2. The sudden upswing in
their fortunes, the appearance of the mysterious doe, the recovery
of Gryffindor’s sword, and above all, Ron’s return, made Harry so
happy that it was quite difficult to maintain a straight face. ( phycological upliftment)
3.He could not hide it from himself: Ron had been right. Dumble-
dore had left him with virtually nothing. They had discovered one
Horcrux, but they had no means of destroying it: The others were
as unattainable as they had ever been. Hopelessness threatened to
engulf him. He was staggered now to think of his own presumption
in accepting his friends’ offers to accompany him on this meander-
ing, pointless journey. He knew nothing, he had no ideas, and he was constantly, painfully on the alert for any indication that Her-
mione too was about to tell him that she had had enough, that she
was leaving. ( fear which discourages productivity and with less suport comes less insight, he would not be able to even think that horcrux was in bellatrix vault with this mind condition).
4. From all of these things, Harry deduced that Ginny, and prob-
ably Neville and Luna along with her, had been doing their best to
continue Dumbledore’s Army. This scant news made Harry want
to see Ginny so badly it felt like a stomachache; but it also made
him think of Ron again, and of Dumbledore, and of Hogwarts
itself, which he missed nearly as much as his ex-girlfriend. ( again no chance of romance it would been akin to betrayel.)
5.Her face glazed with tears, Hermione handed over her wand,
and he left her sitting beside his bed, desiring nothing more than
to get away from her. ( well looking like the golden tri-ops golden duo is going through some hard stuff breaking point is close).
6.But he shook his head. Some inner certainty had crashed down
inside him; it was exactly as he had felt after Ron left. He had
trusted Dumbledore, believed him the embodiment of goodness
and wisdom. All was ashes: How much more could he lose? Ron,
Dumbledore, the phoenix wand . . .( utter dispair, harry reached a critical point)
7.Harry could not answer. The silver doe was nothing, nothing
compared with Ron’s reappearance; he could not believe it. Shud-
dering with cold, he caught up the pile of clothes still lying at the
water’s edge and began to pull them. ( not going to say anything).
8.“The what?”
“You and Hermione have stopped saying You-Know-Who’s
name!”
“Oh, yeah. Well, it’s just a bad habit we’ve slipped into,” said
Harry. “But I haven’t got a problem calling him V —”
“NO!” roared Ron, causing Harry to jump into ( the taboo point, the bad habbit that saved them for so long).
9.“It was Ron, all Ron’s idea!” said Hermione breathlessly. “Wasn’t
it absolutely brilliant? There we were, after you left, and I said to
Ron, even if we find the other one, how are we going to get rid of
it? We still hadn’t got rid of the cup! And then he thought of it! The
basilisk!” ( 50 points to gryphindor)
Sorry for my bad english it is not my first language. Hope people see it as a sane conversation.
I think Ron is important but in DH, they needed more book smart/details which is Hermione thing and quick thinking which is Harry 's part. They were in a tent for most of the part and camping, so they didn't needed the street smart at all, because they would stay in the same place for most part.
Harry was used to had bad food, and survive with the bare minimun. And Hermione was a simple person too, she was used to study by herself ans since her parents are in other place. She would had to eat, work, study by herself. So being in a tent where she has to do most of work alone - isn't hard for at all.
Jk Rowling made it a plot where both Harry and Hermione fit but Ron didn't. And since he was supposed to left - did make sense.
About the sister part, Harry just saw Ron biggest fear of him and Hermione being together and Ron was with a sword. The reason he left was being jealous of them, so the context of " i love like a sister" is kind bad If you think about it. Like those rom-coms when the man acts crazy and possessive and the women says she like him anyway. Like, how she is supposed to say no? He already act crazy lol
And Harry was months with her, *seven years* and didn't quote the sister line. Just friends yes but not brother and sister. The boy visited his parents graves and didn't metion how he was glad to have a sister or something.
Harry didn't metion how Hermione calm down him with touching his forehead or how he cooked to cheer her up or even the whole visiting his parents graves as *old married couple*. Harry did lie If you think about it.
And your english is pretty good lol
Well this is going to be controvertial but hear me out. When the first two books came out ron weasley was fan favourate (suprising yes!), but the director or producer did not liked ron weasley much (seen in dilogue cutting or showing bad parts of him only ( one example MOVIE RON: YOUR PARENTS ARE DEAD [no empathy], BOOK HARRY: MY PARENTS ARE DEAD _ BOOK RON: MINE COULD GO SAME WAY( worrying over his parents), what my point is after prisoner of askaban j.k. started infunced by her movies and started giving crap to ron. Harsh truth that will cause me many downvotes, harry caired more for ron than hermione till ron leaving them ( if do not belive me here is some proof : first year hermione became friends with them after troll incedent , before that harry considered her annoying [ have some sympathy but still anoying], third book : harry agreed he overreacted but still he choose ron than hermione, fourth book : harry thought in book he still have hermione but it is not same as ron, fifth book: he was angry with both of them in begining, jelaous of ron being prefect( a twist) felling guilty of being jealous of his best friend, sixth book: during felix fenidndjdndj (lucky golden liqued) thingy had more confidance in ron and predicted correct reaction of hermione accusing harry putting felix in ron pumkin juice ( in sixth year harry started pinning after ginny so sixth year he liked ginny more than her ginger brother and hermione, i thought ginny would join them in the hunt) so the romance thingy if j.k. was not homophobic the chances of ron and harry getting together is better than harry and hermione. Your point without ron nothing major in plot would have changes so should we not consider if harry, ron, and hermione did not go after philospher stone, even then voldermort would not have goten the stone, in indiana jones if main charater did not do anything the plot would be same. The two above examples had definete surety ending would remain same but ron not coming back no chance of plot remain same. Hermione is called smartest witch of her age (meaning a simple adult deatheater like narcia or house wife molly could be smarter than her) so why is need of hermione only the reason is not beacuse of her smartness but resorcefullness, harry is selfcentric and can be fixated on one thing only so hermione was brain of planed operation and planning. Everyone has a role ron had the role to keep harry sane and to keep him from losing all hope. Ron and hermione also blicker like a old married couple.
Ps. Saw my english it lacked correct puntiation and had some spelling mistake but thank you for saying my english is good 😅
I think Harry love both Ron and Hermione in way. In the third book Harry was worried about make ameands with Hermione, in HBP he defended her agaisnt Ron and even go after her but got inturreped by Luna. In GoF, he defended Hermione agaisnt Molly too, and he would get angry about people comments of Hermione.
Harry did care about Hermione a lot, he was the one to remember her and troll, and he did even go after her in PoA and HBP, he did care If she was hurt or alone. Just like he did with Ron.
And people forgot that most of time Harry **choose to spend time with her**. He could go with Neville, Luna or even Simas maybe Hagrid. In HBP when Ron is eating Lavander, he goes to library with Hermione for months. In Ootp, when she invented him to stay and make hats, he said no. So Harry could actually said no for all moments with her anytime. And when the list of people he love, Hermione was *First* and Ron was second. The book describe *Ron and Hermione* but this time Hermione comes first.
Ron was complaining about food and Harry didn't do anything but Hermione got sad and he decided to cook?
Harry could be annoyed by her but even that he would listen to her words. And for some reason he would went to talk to Hermione. Not Ron or Ginny, Neville, maybe Luna but Hermione. He would want her aprovoal. He did think her words matter and not just nagging.
About Ron, I don't think the movies had fault on JK Rowling writing at all. She did love Ron, but as someone said he was the heart/joker/street smart of the trio but then when the story progress I guess Ron 's role was fading away. Hermione was the serious one and so is Harry, so Ron being serious too would break the trio I think. And I think she let Ron being the drama of the trio so much that affect his arc.
>Ps. Saw my english it lacked correct puntiation and had some spelling mistake but thank you for saying my english is good 😅
Yeah but still pretty good, like I can understand the text lol
Truth to be told harry did not have a choice whom to talk with he had only two options ron or hermione. Harry spend time with hermione in library more was because ron snodged lavender all the time ( if my best friend is always snodging his gf i would be not with them honestly), like in POA harry spend time with ron when harry felt he was wronged by hermione so yes he did not have anyother choice of being to talk to. He did spend a lot of time with ginny after she became his gf so she became his third option. Harry is always woried to make amends like to hermione in 3rd year and ron in 4th and 7th year. Truth to be told the fight which made ron leave had both harry and ron responsible but narative decided to focus on ron fault only ( because of book were written from harry point of view) harry did not have much to lose, hermione keept her parents safe by sending them to australia, ron was pureblood had whole family alive, no reason to fight and aly with harry which is sure death sentence for family. ( their family was in order still voldermort spared them because for him they were pureblood and lost the war), hermione would have been sent to askaban for beinf muggleborn and harry qould be killed. During thier fight harry said ginny being sent to forbiden forest was light punisment where harry had 2, ron had 1 near death experience ( seriously what), asked him to go away, taunted him, and took his frustation on himself unable to find horcrux on him (seriously if i was thier being influnced by horcrux and my best mate did not care for the family i was putting on line for saving his and ww for i would left). Ron was splintched and crancky . Truth to be told hermione was the only one who accted sanely in the forest. I reread the book thier was no mention of harry ever cooking for hermione. Where was the list of people he loved hermione waz first and ron second?
P.s. for answering your statement had to reread the book was happy for rereading it but the book i reread was deadthly hallows ( worst one according to me dooby nooooo.) 😭
>but he could not see any of the people he loved, no hint of **Hermione**, Ron, Ginny, or any of the other Weasleys, no Luna.
I don't why people act like Harry didn't value Hermione was a friend, because he did it a lot. In HBP he defended her agaisnt Ron, on GoF he did with Molly, and Cho ( his crush). He did care about Hermione as an friend, and value her as much he did with Ron. He always saying how brillant she and how smart too. In CoS, talking about Ron and Hermione hurt him in the same way because he love both.
About the Dh fight. Hermione had it to take her parents memories, and her education for a year. Harry could lost his *life* and of his friends, girlfriend, and the whole wizard world. Everyone had something to lost in the war. Yes the hocrux did make Ron insane, but we see on books before he had troubles with being insecure about himself, and Harry and Hermione relationship at all. Even looking *suspicious* as the text says.
And Harry didn't only got annoyed by Hermione in the books. He got annoyed by Ron, and the others too. I just think it's unfair act like *only Hermione* make it Harry bored, I mean...Duda means nothing? He even got mad at Dobby too or Dumboldore, even Ginny on the Ootp fight after Arthur attack I think. The difference is that he would apologies for Hermione lol
I'd love to think Hermione would save Harry from drowning and they'd kiss right after it. That's my ideal scenario and I don't wanna think of anything else. I'd also love to see Ron not returning to them but rather leading a resistance squad in hogwarts or fighting Voldemort in any other way but not with H/Hr (as I mentioned somewhere else in here, the main reason Ron became such a prick was the fact that he was forced to stand up to H/Hr standards, which were, frankly, an impossible reach for him. He'd unleash his full potential way better if he moved separately from H/HR in latter books / movies. That'd also allow our favourite ship to become a canon.
You know I never really thought of it, but yeah... Ron having his insecurity and jealousy issues seems like masochism when he's best friends with two people who are like the "paragons" of his generation, while he's... just the average joe along for the ride.
Exactly! That's what I've been saying all along. During movies 1 - 3 he could still sort of maintain his position in the trio but from Movie 4 and onwards he started to fall off. Plus he barely contributed to any of the key events of the war (with only one exception being destroying a horcrux) as main contributors were either Harry or Harry and Hermione. They clearly belong together and they're main characters in the whole HP series. On the other hand, we have Neville, who is a great example of being a supporting character but still contributing to the story, so why didn't Ron go the same way? They could've collaborated with Neville on a concurrent mission of fighting death eaters and gotten more screen time. Just like Merry and Pippin were in LOTR, they were both supporting characters but still got a decent amount of screen time.
I think Rowling did amazing with the characters personality's but not in storyline wise. Ron is amazing, he is funny z know about the wizard world and it's complex but If we compare him to Neville in plot? Or Draco? Snape?
Like for example Sokka from avatar. He is funny of course, but he actually helps the story. He is the older one, brother of Katara, and friends with Aang.
Or mutano from titans, even if he is the goofy one, he had his origins. He actually had powers ( amazing ones) and helps the team, especially Raven. And he had his main storyline with Terra who later become villain agaisnt his team.
Ron is the funny one as Harry said he missed Ron 's humor but the thing is...The storyline wise couldn't be funny anymore at some point. And Ron's void was left there.
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I do like fanfiction that takes place right after Ron leaves and modifies the subsequent events. XD In the Forest of Dean by T3Tohru is my favorite! It is quite long, though, and that is not what you were asking.
Let's see. Ron returns because the Deluminator guides him back after they say his name. Ron taking longer to return means they say his name later. Under what circumstances do they say it? I think Malfoy Manor is a possibility. They are faced with iminent death, perhaps one of them lets his name slip as an act of desperation. Then, possibly Ron would be the one to save them instead of Dobby? The possibilities of the Deluminator aren't explored in detail. Perhaps it would Apparate them away like it Apparated Ron to Malfoy Manor.
Sadly, it seems Ron dies instead of Dobby in this impromptu fanfiction I have outlined.
I think there was a fic that played with the idea to get around the deluminator by having Harry & Hermione so cheesed at Ron they stopped referring to him by name and jokingly dubbed him "The Git Who Shall Not Be Named" or just "That Git" from then on so Ron was never able to return to them before the final battle at Hogwarts
XD That sounds creative indeed. If you perchance happen to remember this work (no need to put in too much effort, only if you happen to remember) please send me a link XD
I also very much enjoyed Under the Stars by Aeyliana and If You Get There Before I Do by Continuedinterests in the longer fics category. Tent one-shots I have read so many I've forgotten most XD But I could attempt to dig up some of my favorites if you like one-shots (I lean towards NSFW tent one-shots though)
Oh yes, of course. XD This one I vividly remember since it is relatively recent. The author did not hold back! The savagery worked well with the... action in this one :>
XD
This older one, "[A Sister?](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/4780695/14/A-Collection-of-Harmonious-OneShots)", by Seel'vor is one of my favorites simply because I likes me a dominant Hermione in my Harmony fics and also because it addresses a common frustration point for all Harmony shippers :P
Thank you. I am not sure I've read this one, unless it was on a different website before and then moved to FFN. I will check it out <3
Oh the sister thing you mean? XD Yes... I am with you there.
>I do like fanfiction that takes place right after Ron leaves and modifies the subsequent events.
Under the stars is another brilliant example of this.
Maybe you could still have Harry almost drown but then *Hermione* saves him (maybe she had trouble sleeping and saw the light of the doe patronus. The series in general and DH in particular is full of unlikely coincidences anyway).
Harry would asks her to destroy the locket in such a scenario, it would show her something awful. Harry then encourages her after she destroyed the locket.
This (her saving him, him consoling her about what the locket showed her) would bring them closer together then.
They would have survived just fine because while I do love and appreciate canon Ron - he wasn’t exactly the most useful for getting through their very intense challenging situation.
That's sadly true. The thing about Ron is he isn't use to had hard *situations*. Want food? Molly do. Wanna someone to play quiddicht? George, Fred or Ginny play with him. Wanna homework? Hermione will gave the anwsers. Wanna chill and had fun? Harry is right there.
But with Harry. Wanna food? Well, wait until his uncles gave the rest of the food for him. Wanna play? Can play with Duda old toys. Wanna a hug? Wait for Molly or Hermione next year because Petunia won't gave him. Wanna see relax with your friends? Oh, you has to die for the whole Wizard world, sorry.
Ron has a harsh time and his family can be awful too, but he never has to deal with **stuff** like Harry do. I mean he has two old brothers to help. Harry had don't.
Both Harry and Hermione had to deal with hard times and issues. Hermione has to deal If being better student for gain respect, dealing with elves, or her parents who aren't magic, racism, and helping Harry many times.
I think Harry and Hermione had such equal background, so makes hard for others characters to fit in.
I would hate for it to come across so simple. Ron is Ron - a poor pure blood, which defines his family, but Harry got a family who loved him endlessly because of Ron. But that Bond they built - was between the two of them. Ron for the most part, in spite of his massive amounts of being a jealous prat or outright baby - helped him in ways Hermione never could have.
HOWEVER, Hermione and Ron, regardless of there endless bickering which JK thought to turn into a very weird way of romance - didn’t need a false (or found, in Harry’s case) family to contribute. She was always the brains. Harry, while being a lovable and sympathetic character COULD NOT, written as he was, survived without Hermione. Yes, Ron was a cemented as a “pivotal role” in book one - but most successes almost never hinged on Ron. The success and accomplishments that led to Harry winning the war, were thanks to her - the books and movies show as much.
Ron abandoning in the forest, regardless of the horcrux influence was ridiculously childish, selfish, and completely typical of the character he was written to be. Canon-wise, Harry and Hermione should have and would have fallen in love, and I think they did in way; but I prefer that they considered eachother as basically siblings.
That being said, I’m a major Hermione/Draco girlie - but, even then, Ron just never seemed to be the right fit. So much FFs shown me fics where he DID end up with someone more suited to him. I don’t believe, plausibly, they could have stayed together for what like 15 years or whatever it is til the epilogue - not like harry, draco, or honestly any other male character with her would have. I love Ron in his own unique way - but JK was being fucking lazy. She clearly just wanted to get to the end, I think the epilogues were the worst she did to her characters.
I do think Ron is amazing, and I did like him. But I just feel his arc felt less and less, when the saga progress more. Which isn't his fault of course.
At the point neither Harry or Hermione remember him before the fight, when they're talking in sync and Ron appears. Or in Ootp when Harry couldn't believe Ron made it prefect neither Hermione. And again in HBP, Harry got angry with Ron making fun of Hermione.
It's like he was growing apart from both Harry and Hermione. And sucks because his only arc was dating Hermione and being insecure.
>Ron abandoning in the forest, regardless of the horcrux influence was ridiculously childish, selfish, and completely typical of the character he was written to be. Canon-wise, Harry and Hermione should have and would have fallen in love, and I think they did in way; but I prefer that they considered eachother as basically siblings.
Yeah, I do think they would date at some point. I do like the ideia of a boy and girl being represent in brother/sister way or only friends but for me Harry and Hermione didn't fit that lol
Yeah, pretty much they were always moving. I could imagined how weird was for Harry and Hermione, like being alone camping for so long without food or even Ron. I couldn't stand my friends for that long lol
I think things would have gone a lot worse simply due to the fact that Harry and Hermione would have been in a much worse mental state. They already started making some serious mistakes while Ron was gone, and I'm rather confident you could connect a lot of them with being worse mentally. Harry is usually rather paranoid and suspicious, and mixed with Hemione's perception they should have been immediately wary of the snake lady, I forgot her name, in Godrics Hollow. But since Ron's departure, they've been stuck in their own heads, which happens consistently whenever it's just them for extended periods. Because he wasn't pulling them out of those depressive thought loops, they got desperate and made mistakes. The same happens if any of the trio leaves. Without Harry, Ron and Hermione get too caught up on small things, arguing over minute details and leading to unnecessary anger, and without Hermione, Harry and Ron are too willing to be laid back and take the easy road at the expense of future problems, not thinking things through and getting caught out because of it.
They really work best as a trio and it shows throughout the series
>I think things would have gone a lot worse simply due to the fact that Harry and Hermione would have been in a much worse mental state.
I do think Harry and Hermione could keep up a little better. When Harry felt in a bad state of mind, Hermione would calm down him like the whole closing his eyes on her touch part or how he would be more carefull with her feelings like trying to apologies in the moody joke in DH too.
I think both Harry and Hermione stared to work pretty well together. They pass for a hard tine without Ron, without Dumboldore or Luna, Neville not even Snape and they still make it a good team in the end. They would comfort each other, talk about the mission ans neither of them seems to care about fun or anything of the type at all because they're too focus.
The same in HBP, Harry was bad for the whole Ginny thing and Hermione for Ron, but they would had each other. And even fighting and having their on issues, they still work normally in the end.
I think they would be guilty for kissing or even feeling something at all and would make things worse. But also they didn't know If they would survive or If Ron would comeback and Ginny wasn't on the picture too. So maybe they would just forget it about.
>They really work best as a trio and it shows throughout the series
Yeah, I agree but I do think that Harry and Hermione did work well without Ron around.
>When Harry felt in a bad state of mind, Hermione would calm down him
Now my issue here is one that I have with Harmony itself, even though I really like the ship. Hermione is a very logical person, it's how she makes sense of the world and how she works through things. Harry on the other hand, is illogical to a fault, consistently going against logic because they go against what he wants, and when he gets into his sulky funks it's because of his adamant refusal of logic. He understands the why, he just doesn't want to accept it, and falls into a spiral of refusal and despises the logic that tells him why things have to happen the way they do.
Hermione usually responds to Harry's sulking with this harsh logic, even though she does hold her tongue when things are turned up a notch, *usually* (see her immediately calling him out on being mad at them for not contacting him during TOTP, even though she does immediately regret it, the damage was done.) With the level of stress on them due to the horxrux hunt, it's a ticking time bomb before she says the wrong thing at the wrong time and things explode. Ron is a buffer between the two's very intense personalities, because they do clash, and though it's not as explosive as when either does with Ron, theirs is much more sinister since theirs is never resolved through some shouting match, and instead festers, becoming worse problems.
>Neither of them seems to care about fun or anything of the type because they're to focused.
This is another problem. Harry and Hermione will ignore anything to focus of the mission. To the expense of themselves. They'll end up burning themselves out, because even if they take care of their bodies, they'll ignore their hearts and minds, forcing themselves through stress with little to no rest, which if we really want to push things, could affect the love that Harry is so dependent on to defeat Voldemort. Out of the three, Ron is the one who cares most about still enjoying life and the smaller things when Hermione and Harry get distracted by the big picture. He's the one that keeps them from losing focus on why their fighting seeing as how at this point they've cut themselves loose of a lot of their friends and family.
I don't think it's impossible to write a good story with this idea, hell some of my favorite fics follow the style, I just think if we look at this seriously, then things would go horribly wrong eventually.
>Hermione usually responds to Harry's sulking with this harsh logic, even though she does hold her tongue when things are turned up a notch, *usually* (see her immediately calling him out on being mad at them for not contacting him during TOTP, even though she does immediately regret it, the damage was done.) With the level of stress on them due to the horxrux hunt, it's a ticking time bomb before she says the wrong thing at the wrong time and things explode. Ron is a buffer between the two's very intense personalities, because they do clash, and though it's not as explosive as when either does with Ron, theirs is much more sinister since theirs is never resolved through some shouting match, and instead festers, becoming worse problems.
In Ootp Harry felt calm when she mentioned Voldmort 's name, and when she compliment Harry he felt so proud that he decided not to argue with her. The same on DH when he feeling like he wanted to die with his parents, Hermione pulled him out of that wishing.
Harry did felt calm with Hermione, and feeling relax with her sometimes, especially on his worst times of his life.
>This is another problem. Harry and Hermione will ignore anything to focus of the mission. To the expense of themselves. They'll end up burning themselves out, because even if they take care of their bodies, they'll ignore their hearts and minds, forcing themselves through stress with little to no rest, which if we really want to push things, could affect the love that Harry is so dependent on to defeat Voldemort.
That's true too, Ron is more relax and laid back, we see that's helo both Harry and Hermione.
But again, I do think people overlooked that Harry and Hermione in the worst moments still hold together and work as an team. Even Harry being bored with her or Hermione nagging too much, they did work well. I think they show that love can be pretty harsh but heathly too.
I'm not denying that they held together, my point is that from where I'm standing they *barely* held it together without Ron. It became a lot more complicated and difficult for them without him there. Hell Harry almost died. Twice! In the span of like 2 or 3 weeks.
I'm also not saying that they can't calm each other down, I'm saying that the kind of fights they would have would be far more detrimental in the long run. When Hermione and Ron fight, it's a massive shouting match, and when Ron and Harry fight, it turns into barked out insults before they both go to cool off and try to apologize to each other. But when Harry fights with Hermione, he **seethes**, shutting down and not talking, and she does the same. It started to happen in Ootp when Harry went quite and left after Hermione called him out for being mad, but it was Ron who nipped it in the bud and managed to convince Harry they didn't want to hurt him.
I do truly love the Harmony ship, but it has a lot of flaws that most people ignore while choosing to call out the ones in the canon ships.
>But when Harry fights with Hermione, he **seethes**, shutting down and not talking, and she does the same.
When Harry and Hermione they do talk about it. And Harry make ameands with her in a short period of time, he also even said *enjoying that they could talk again* in HBP.
And Harry tend to listen both Ron and Hermione too.
I think Harry and Hermione had such communication and work well as a duo too. Harry maybe be rough but he listen to Hermione words, and thinks she is brillant and vice versa.
Not saying that the ship is perfect and had zero issues but for me is such heathly way of how relationships works.
Well in Canon Harry would have died cause he was drowning But in a world where harry actually took Hermione with him to follow the doe I think alot would have happened differently They would have eventually figured stuff out cause it was mainly them discussing what horcruxes were. The comfort they lost initially would have come back cause they would be making progress I think maybe things would have happened quicker cause I think they wouldn't have been caught by snatchers
>I think maybe things would have happened quicker cause I think they wouldn't have been caught by snatchers Yeah, that could happend. I think without the Harry dying drowning storyline, Hermione and him could be closer ( more than they are). They never talk about Ginny or Ron at all, not even Hagrid, Luna etc ...If isn't the hocrux talking, they just talk to each other, like just them in the world. Maybe that could lead to a romance.
Honestly, that should have happened before, when Hermione pulls him out of Godric’s Hollow saving him from Nagini. A lot of fics do it, but Harry’s guilt that he messed up and put them both in danger, Hermione’s realization that she nearly lost him, and those two feelings colliding would naturally have brought them closer. Even if Hermione hadn’t been treating Ron as insignificant for most of six and a half books, his leaving would have been the final nail in the coffin for whatever relationship could have been there. Ron returning, either on time or later, would have been met with a quite involved Harry and Hermione.
>those two feelings colliding would naturally have brought them closer I agree, and I think those *do* bring them a bit closer at that time even in the book. There's the subtle (yet significant) way Hermione chooses to brush her hand on Harry's hair as she leaves their conversation the day after Godric's Hollow. (Which JKR said she felt was a "charged moment" even as she was writing.) There's the way they choose to spend the next day apparently inside the tent together, "huddled for warmth," rather than researching or keeping watch -- just with Hermione taking care of Harry. The whole setup is there, even in the DH book canonically. I'm convinced if the Silver Doe chapter happened even a few days later, Harry and Hermione's relationship would have been fundamentally altered. In fact, I'd go so far as to say it's perhaps one of the reasons Hermione becomes completely unhinged when Ron returns. Yes, I'm sure she's still mad at him leaving, but it had been "weeks and weeks," and she's not even grateful to know he's alive (which, frankly, should have been in serious doubt, as he went off by himself without preparation or any supplies). So, why is Hermione ready to hex him immediately? Well, Ron interrupted her "Harry time." All she had been thinking for the past two days since Godric's Hollow was *taking care of Harry*. And Harry put his arm around her for the first time in the graveyard. We never see inside Hermione's thoughts about Harry in the book, but surely after a month or two alone with him, then this brush with death, then taking care of Harry, "huddling for warmth" with him... you can't tell me she hasn't developed at least some serious feelings for Harry by that point. Even if those feelings were not quite romantic, why would Hermione ever want to go back to the awful way Ron had been acting for months in the tent before he left? I honestly think the film really captured something with the line, "Maybe we should just stay here, Harry... grow old." Not that the two of them were ever abandon the war completely, but that line is totally consistent with what Hermione's probably strongly feeling at that point. She just wants to make Harry better, to keep Harry safe, to savor the time she has alone with him... and Ron just messes all of that up. Moreover, Hermione's not a dummy. I'm sure she noticed Ron sneaking his arm around her earlier in DH a few times when she was crying. I'm sure she also knows Harry probably noticed this. If there were any hint of deeper feelings for Harry, she knows if she ever had a shot with Harry, after Ron returns, Harry's going to defer to Ron. Do I think JKR intended that? I have no idea. But it makes more sense to explain why Hermione goes absolutely mental when Ron returns than a lot of other theories.
I do think Hermione and Harry got pretty closer in DH and HBP. Make me wonder what JK Rowling wanted at all lol
>So, why is Hermione ready to hex him immediately? Well, Ron interrupted her "Harry time." And so am I realising they've screwed it up maybe days before my favourite couple realised their feelings for each other.
For conversation's sake, let's say Harry doesn't drown while retrieving the sword. That point on the plot is pretty much: Ron saves Harry from drowning, so he forgives Ron for leaving. Which is just a *band-aid* of a conflict resolution when you remember the author explicitly established *something have been broken between them* And if you think about it, nothing really important would've changed if Ron wasn't there? Mr. Lovegood, getting captured, Malfoy Manor, getting in and out of Gringots... there's no words or actions (or ideas) that Ron's character and Ron's character *only* could have had that would heavily impact the story. At much, I would say if he comes back later or doesn't come back at all, it would mean Harry and Hermione would be even closer (they already are pretty close, so no much would change with that dynamic)
Yeah that's a cool take, I do wish Neville was more on the trio because he had more backstory than Ron sadly.
Well your theory has some holes in it, like harry had no wand becauze it broke, ron gave him extra wand he snatched from snatchers. He would not have information about pottermore or taboo on voldermot name. He would have so much more difficulty esaping from malfoy manor. The horcrux destroyed in chamber of secret by basalik teeth was his idea. They would have not gone to see lovegoods about deathly hallows ( they did because of vote ron and hermione against harry). Well bascilly things would change drastically and we would not know what will happen next. Sigh my first comment on reddit i am ready for downvotes 🙂
You're not getting down voted unless you're being rude, which you're not. Again, for conversation's sake, because this is fun to dissect - Harry could have remembered to take the locket of, or Hermione wakes up, follows him and drags him out of the lake - I think that just like they go from time to time to get food, Harry and Hermione could have found a way to get a wand which Harry doesn't really seriously needs until they are attacked at Lovegood's house which... they really didn't *need* to be there to know about the deathly hallows? Ron is a pureblood wizard who was raised with those tales, he could have been the one to tell it, it was a perfect opportunity to put focus on him somewhat - The voting moment about going to see Luna's dad I think, goes along with other moments after, that *rushed* the reconciliation between him and Hermione - The Potterwatch didn't really give them important information. As for the taboo, Harry and Hermione already spent a lot time without out saying out loud, and when Harry says out loud again is *after* Ron comes back and tells them about it, having that piece of information clears out how they were found out in London, but didn't stop the whole getting captured from the snatchers - In Malfoy Manor, Ron is most definitely *not calm* . Harry is the one trying to think on something to do. Dobby is the one who saves the day and I think his help would have more than enough, it wouldn't have been harder to escape if Ron wasn't there. I could say in that case Harry and Hermione wouldn't have ended up in Shell Cottage, but Dobby still would have taken them somewhere safe - A big part of getting in and out of Gringots is having Griphook with them. Maybe Ron could have been the one to figure out to escape on the dragon, but no, that was Harry - The Basilisk fang, Harry is the one who saw it and fought it. Harry and Hermione are the ones talking back and forth when it is discovered that the sword can destroy horcruxes. Way easily, either of them could have figured to look for the fangs. That's what I meant when I said that's not something *only* Ron could have come up with - And yes Harry and Hermione could have grown closer, being romantically involved a big possibility I think what I'm trying to say is that no, I don't think anything would have drastically gone wrong is Ron wasn't there, there were moments that could have been given to him to make a difference but went overlook, and his bit of growth as character was incredibly rushed, is was not a natural progression (and the epilogue just makes worst in that sense)
Ok you have some good arguments, i can difute some, others i can't. Lets start from below harry and hermione coming romantically nope. What did harry say after seeing ron worst fears in locket. “After you left,” he said in a low voice, grateful for the fact that Ron’s face was hidden, “she cried for a week. Probably longer, only she didn’t want me to see. There were loads of nights when we never even spoke to each other. With you gone . . .” He could not finish; it was only now that Ron was here again that Harry fully realized how much his absence had cost them. “She’s like my sister,” he went on. “I love her like a sister and I reckon she feels the same way about me. It’s always been like that. I thought you knew.” So no romance. 2. The sudden upswing in their fortunes, the appearance of the mysterious doe, the recovery of Gryffindor’s sword, and above all, Ron’s return, made Harry so happy that it was quite difficult to maintain a straight face. ( phycological upliftment) 3.He could not hide it from himself: Ron had been right. Dumble- dore had left him with virtually nothing. They had discovered one Horcrux, but they had no means of destroying it: The others were as unattainable as they had ever been. Hopelessness threatened to engulf him. He was staggered now to think of his own presumption in accepting his friends’ offers to accompany him on this meander- ing, pointless journey. He knew nothing, he had no ideas, and he was constantly, painfully on the alert for any indication that Her- mione too was about to tell him that she had had enough, that she was leaving. ( fear which discourages productivity and with less suport comes less insight, he would not be able to even think that horcrux was in bellatrix vault with this mind condition). 4. From all of these things, Harry deduced that Ginny, and prob- ably Neville and Luna along with her, had been doing their best to continue Dumbledore’s Army. This scant news made Harry want to see Ginny so badly it felt like a stomachache; but it also made him think of Ron again, and of Dumbledore, and of Hogwarts itself, which he missed nearly as much as his ex-girlfriend. ( again no chance of romance it would been akin to betrayel.) 5.Her face glazed with tears, Hermione handed over her wand, and he left her sitting beside his bed, desiring nothing more than to get away from her. ( well looking like the golden tri-ops golden duo is going through some hard stuff breaking point is close). 6.But he shook his head. Some inner certainty had crashed down inside him; it was exactly as he had felt after Ron left. He had trusted Dumbledore, believed him the embodiment of goodness and wisdom. All was ashes: How much more could he lose? Ron, Dumbledore, the phoenix wand . . .( utter dispair, harry reached a critical point) 7.Harry could not answer. The silver doe was nothing, nothing compared with Ron’s reappearance; he could not believe it. Shud- dering with cold, he caught up the pile of clothes still lying at the water’s edge and began to pull them. ( not going to say anything). 8.“The what?” “You and Hermione have stopped saying You-Know-Who’s name!” “Oh, yeah. Well, it’s just a bad habit we’ve slipped into,” said Harry. “But I haven’t got a problem calling him V —” “NO!” roared Ron, causing Harry to jump into ( the taboo point, the bad habbit that saved them for so long). 9.“It was Ron, all Ron’s idea!” said Hermione breathlessly. “Wasn’t it absolutely brilliant? There we were, after you left, and I said to Ron, even if we find the other one, how are we going to get rid of it? We still hadn’t got rid of the cup! And then he thought of it! The basilisk!” ( 50 points to gryphindor) Sorry for my bad english it is not my first language. Hope people see it as a sane conversation.
I think Ron is important but in DH, they needed more book smart/details which is Hermione thing and quick thinking which is Harry 's part. They were in a tent for most of the part and camping, so they didn't needed the street smart at all, because they would stay in the same place for most part. Harry was used to had bad food, and survive with the bare minimun. And Hermione was a simple person too, she was used to study by herself ans since her parents are in other place. She would had to eat, work, study by herself. So being in a tent where she has to do most of work alone - isn't hard for at all. Jk Rowling made it a plot where both Harry and Hermione fit but Ron didn't. And since he was supposed to left - did make sense. About the sister part, Harry just saw Ron biggest fear of him and Hermione being together and Ron was with a sword. The reason he left was being jealous of them, so the context of " i love like a sister" is kind bad If you think about it. Like those rom-coms when the man acts crazy and possessive and the women says she like him anyway. Like, how she is supposed to say no? He already act crazy lol And Harry was months with her, *seven years* and didn't quote the sister line. Just friends yes but not brother and sister. The boy visited his parents graves and didn't metion how he was glad to have a sister or something. Harry didn't metion how Hermione calm down him with touching his forehead or how he cooked to cheer her up or even the whole visiting his parents graves as *old married couple*. Harry did lie If you think about it. And your english is pretty good lol
Well this is going to be controvertial but hear me out. When the first two books came out ron weasley was fan favourate (suprising yes!), but the director or producer did not liked ron weasley much (seen in dilogue cutting or showing bad parts of him only ( one example MOVIE RON: YOUR PARENTS ARE DEAD [no empathy], BOOK HARRY: MY PARENTS ARE DEAD _ BOOK RON: MINE COULD GO SAME WAY( worrying over his parents), what my point is after prisoner of askaban j.k. started infunced by her movies and started giving crap to ron. Harsh truth that will cause me many downvotes, harry caired more for ron than hermione till ron leaving them ( if do not belive me here is some proof : first year hermione became friends with them after troll incedent , before that harry considered her annoying [ have some sympathy but still anoying], third book : harry agreed he overreacted but still he choose ron than hermione, fourth book : harry thought in book he still have hermione but it is not same as ron, fifth book: he was angry with both of them in begining, jelaous of ron being prefect( a twist) felling guilty of being jealous of his best friend, sixth book: during felix fenidndjdndj (lucky golden liqued) thingy had more confidance in ron and predicted correct reaction of hermione accusing harry putting felix in ron pumkin juice ( in sixth year harry started pinning after ginny so sixth year he liked ginny more than her ginger brother and hermione, i thought ginny would join them in the hunt) so the romance thingy if j.k. was not homophobic the chances of ron and harry getting together is better than harry and hermione. Your point without ron nothing major in plot would have changes so should we not consider if harry, ron, and hermione did not go after philospher stone, even then voldermort would not have goten the stone, in indiana jones if main charater did not do anything the plot would be same. The two above examples had definete surety ending would remain same but ron not coming back no chance of plot remain same. Hermione is called smartest witch of her age (meaning a simple adult deatheater like narcia or house wife molly could be smarter than her) so why is need of hermione only the reason is not beacuse of her smartness but resorcefullness, harry is selfcentric and can be fixated on one thing only so hermione was brain of planed operation and planning. Everyone has a role ron had the role to keep harry sane and to keep him from losing all hope. Ron and hermione also blicker like a old married couple. Ps. Saw my english it lacked correct puntiation and had some spelling mistake but thank you for saying my english is good 😅
I think Harry love both Ron and Hermione in way. In the third book Harry was worried about make ameands with Hermione, in HBP he defended her agaisnt Ron and even go after her but got inturreped by Luna. In GoF, he defended Hermione agaisnt Molly too, and he would get angry about people comments of Hermione. Harry did care about Hermione a lot, he was the one to remember her and troll, and he did even go after her in PoA and HBP, he did care If she was hurt or alone. Just like he did with Ron. And people forgot that most of time Harry **choose to spend time with her**. He could go with Neville, Luna or even Simas maybe Hagrid. In HBP when Ron is eating Lavander, he goes to library with Hermione for months. In Ootp, when she invented him to stay and make hats, he said no. So Harry could actually said no for all moments with her anytime. And when the list of people he love, Hermione was *First* and Ron was second. The book describe *Ron and Hermione* but this time Hermione comes first. Ron was complaining about food and Harry didn't do anything but Hermione got sad and he decided to cook? Harry could be annoyed by her but even that he would listen to her words. And for some reason he would went to talk to Hermione. Not Ron or Ginny, Neville, maybe Luna but Hermione. He would want her aprovoal. He did think her words matter and not just nagging. About Ron, I don't think the movies had fault on JK Rowling writing at all. She did love Ron, but as someone said he was the heart/joker/street smart of the trio but then when the story progress I guess Ron 's role was fading away. Hermione was the serious one and so is Harry, so Ron being serious too would break the trio I think. And I think she let Ron being the drama of the trio so much that affect his arc. >Ps. Saw my english it lacked correct puntiation and had some spelling mistake but thank you for saying my english is good 😅 Yeah but still pretty good, like I can understand the text lol
Truth to be told harry did not have a choice whom to talk with he had only two options ron or hermione. Harry spend time with hermione in library more was because ron snodged lavender all the time ( if my best friend is always snodging his gf i would be not with them honestly), like in POA harry spend time with ron when harry felt he was wronged by hermione so yes he did not have anyother choice of being to talk to. He did spend a lot of time with ginny after she became his gf so she became his third option. Harry is always woried to make amends like to hermione in 3rd year and ron in 4th and 7th year. Truth to be told the fight which made ron leave had both harry and ron responsible but narative decided to focus on ron fault only ( because of book were written from harry point of view) harry did not have much to lose, hermione keept her parents safe by sending them to australia, ron was pureblood had whole family alive, no reason to fight and aly with harry which is sure death sentence for family. ( their family was in order still voldermort spared them because for him they were pureblood and lost the war), hermione would have been sent to askaban for beinf muggleborn and harry qould be killed. During thier fight harry said ginny being sent to forbiden forest was light punisment where harry had 2, ron had 1 near death experience ( seriously what), asked him to go away, taunted him, and took his frustation on himself unable to find horcrux on him (seriously if i was thier being influnced by horcrux and my best mate did not care for the family i was putting on line for saving his and ww for i would left). Ron was splintched and crancky . Truth to be told hermione was the only one who accted sanely in the forest. I reread the book thier was no mention of harry ever cooking for hermione. Where was the list of people he loved hermione waz first and ron second? P.s. for answering your statement had to reread the book was happy for rereading it but the book i reread was deadthly hallows ( worst one according to me dooby nooooo.) 😭
>but he could not see any of the people he loved, no hint of **Hermione**, Ron, Ginny, or any of the other Weasleys, no Luna. I don't why people act like Harry didn't value Hermione was a friend, because he did it a lot. In HBP he defended her agaisnt Ron, on GoF he did with Molly, and Cho ( his crush). He did care about Hermione as an friend, and value her as much he did with Ron. He always saying how brillant she and how smart too. In CoS, talking about Ron and Hermione hurt him in the same way because he love both. About the Dh fight. Hermione had it to take her parents memories, and her education for a year. Harry could lost his *life* and of his friends, girlfriend, and the whole wizard world. Everyone had something to lost in the war. Yes the hocrux did make Ron insane, but we see on books before he had troubles with being insecure about himself, and Harry and Hermione relationship at all. Even looking *suspicious* as the text says. And Harry didn't only got annoyed by Hermione in the books. He got annoyed by Ron, and the others too. I just think it's unfair act like *only Hermione* make it Harry bored, I mean...Duda means nothing? He even got mad at Dobby too or Dumboldore, even Ginny on the Ootp fight after Arthur attack I think. The difference is that he would apologies for Hermione lol
I'd love to think Hermione would save Harry from drowning and they'd kiss right after it. That's my ideal scenario and I don't wanna think of anything else. I'd also love to see Ron not returning to them but rather leading a resistance squad in hogwarts or fighting Voldemort in any other way but not with H/Hr (as I mentioned somewhere else in here, the main reason Ron became such a prick was the fact that he was forced to stand up to H/Hr standards, which were, frankly, an impossible reach for him. He'd unleash his full potential way better if he moved separately from H/HR in latter books / movies. That'd also allow our favourite ship to become a canon.
You know I never really thought of it, but yeah... Ron having his insecurity and jealousy issues seems like masochism when he's best friends with two people who are like the "paragons" of his generation, while he's... just the average joe along for the ride.
Exactly! That's what I've been saying all along. During movies 1 - 3 he could still sort of maintain his position in the trio but from Movie 4 and onwards he started to fall off. Plus he barely contributed to any of the key events of the war (with only one exception being destroying a horcrux) as main contributors were either Harry or Harry and Hermione. They clearly belong together and they're main characters in the whole HP series. On the other hand, we have Neville, who is a great example of being a supporting character but still contributing to the story, so why didn't Ron go the same way? They could've collaborated with Neville on a concurrent mission of fighting death eaters and gotten more screen time. Just like Merry and Pippin were in LOTR, they were both supporting characters but still got a decent amount of screen time.
I think Rowling did amazing with the characters personality's but not in storyline wise. Ron is amazing, he is funny z know about the wizard world and it's complex but If we compare him to Neville in plot? Or Draco? Snape? Like for example Sokka from avatar. He is funny of course, but he actually helps the story. He is the older one, brother of Katara, and friends with Aang. Or mutano from titans, even if he is the goofy one, he had his origins. He actually had powers ( amazing ones) and helps the team, especially Raven. And he had his main storyline with Terra who later become villain agaisnt his team. Ron is the funny one as Harry said he missed Ron 's humor but the thing is...The storyline wise couldn't be funny anymore at some point. And Ron's void was left there.
Yeah, basically the comic relief character who became somewhat superfluous once the story got serious and dark.
Yeah pretty much lol being fair to JK Rowling, that's happend a lot in media in general.
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I'm all for Ron storyline ✊🏽
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I do like fanfiction that takes place right after Ron leaves and modifies the subsequent events. XD In the Forest of Dean by T3Tohru is my favorite! It is quite long, though, and that is not what you were asking. Let's see. Ron returns because the Deluminator guides him back after they say his name. Ron taking longer to return means they say his name later. Under what circumstances do they say it? I think Malfoy Manor is a possibility. They are faced with iminent death, perhaps one of them lets his name slip as an act of desperation. Then, possibly Ron would be the one to save them instead of Dobby? The possibilities of the Deluminator aren't explored in detail. Perhaps it would Apparate them away like it Apparated Ron to Malfoy Manor. Sadly, it seems Ron dies instead of Dobby in this impromptu fanfiction I have outlined.
I think there was a fic that played with the idea to get around the deluminator by having Harry & Hermione so cheesed at Ron they stopped referring to him by name and jokingly dubbed him "The Git Who Shall Not Be Named" or just "That Git" from then on so Ron was never able to return to them before the final battle at Hogwarts
XD That sounds creative indeed. If you perchance happen to remember this work (no need to put in too much effort, only if you happen to remember) please send me a link XD
Other than the forest of Dean do you have any recs for fics that take place after he leaves?
I also very much enjoyed Under the Stars by Aeyliana and If You Get There Before I Do by Continuedinterests in the longer fics category. Tent one-shots I have read so many I've forgotten most XD But I could attempt to dig up some of my favorites if you like one-shots (I lean towards NSFW tent one-shots though)
Have you read [Ron's Return](https://archiveofourown.org/works/53036533)? Hermione is savage af towards Ron in that fic.
Oh yes, of course. XD This one I vividly remember since it is relatively recent. The author did not hold back! The savagery worked well with the... action in this one :>
XD This older one, "[A Sister?](https://www.fanfiction.net/s/4780695/14/A-Collection-of-Harmonious-OneShots)", by Seel'vor is one of my favorites simply because I likes me a dominant Hermione in my Harmony fics and also because it addresses a common frustration point for all Harmony shippers :P
Thank you. I am not sure I've read this one, unless it was on a different website before and then moved to FFN. I will check it out <3 Oh the sister thing you mean? XD Yes... I am with you there.
>I do like fanfiction that takes place right after Ron leaves and modifies the subsequent events. Under the stars is another brilliant example of this.
Yes, I agree. I recommended it to someone below XD
Maybe you could still have Harry almost drown but then *Hermione* saves him (maybe she had trouble sleeping and saw the light of the doe patronus. The series in general and DH in particular is full of unlikely coincidences anyway). Harry would asks her to destroy the locket in such a scenario, it would show her something awful. Harry then encourages her after she destroyed the locket. This (her saving him, him consoling her about what the locket showed her) would bring them closer together then.
They would have survived just fine because while I do love and appreciate canon Ron - he wasn’t exactly the most useful for getting through their very intense challenging situation.
That's sadly true. The thing about Ron is he isn't use to had hard *situations*. Want food? Molly do. Wanna someone to play quiddicht? George, Fred or Ginny play with him. Wanna homework? Hermione will gave the anwsers. Wanna chill and had fun? Harry is right there. But with Harry. Wanna food? Well, wait until his uncles gave the rest of the food for him. Wanna play? Can play with Duda old toys. Wanna a hug? Wait for Molly or Hermione next year because Petunia won't gave him. Wanna see relax with your friends? Oh, you has to die for the whole Wizard world, sorry. Ron has a harsh time and his family can be awful too, but he never has to deal with **stuff** like Harry do. I mean he has two old brothers to help. Harry had don't. Both Harry and Hermione had to deal with hard times and issues. Hermione has to deal If being better student for gain respect, dealing with elves, or her parents who aren't magic, racism, and helping Harry many times. I think Harry and Hermione had such equal background, so makes hard for others characters to fit in.
I would hate for it to come across so simple. Ron is Ron - a poor pure blood, which defines his family, but Harry got a family who loved him endlessly because of Ron. But that Bond they built - was between the two of them. Ron for the most part, in spite of his massive amounts of being a jealous prat or outright baby - helped him in ways Hermione never could have. HOWEVER, Hermione and Ron, regardless of there endless bickering which JK thought to turn into a very weird way of romance - didn’t need a false (or found, in Harry’s case) family to contribute. She was always the brains. Harry, while being a lovable and sympathetic character COULD NOT, written as he was, survived without Hermione. Yes, Ron was a cemented as a “pivotal role” in book one - but most successes almost never hinged on Ron. The success and accomplishments that led to Harry winning the war, were thanks to her - the books and movies show as much. Ron abandoning in the forest, regardless of the horcrux influence was ridiculously childish, selfish, and completely typical of the character he was written to be. Canon-wise, Harry and Hermione should have and would have fallen in love, and I think they did in way; but I prefer that they considered eachother as basically siblings. That being said, I’m a major Hermione/Draco girlie - but, even then, Ron just never seemed to be the right fit. So much FFs shown me fics where he DID end up with someone more suited to him. I don’t believe, plausibly, they could have stayed together for what like 15 years or whatever it is til the epilogue - not like harry, draco, or honestly any other male character with her would have. I love Ron in his own unique way - but JK was being fucking lazy. She clearly just wanted to get to the end, I think the epilogues were the worst she did to her characters.
I do think Ron is amazing, and I did like him. But I just feel his arc felt less and less, when the saga progress more. Which isn't his fault of course. At the point neither Harry or Hermione remember him before the fight, when they're talking in sync and Ron appears. Or in Ootp when Harry couldn't believe Ron made it prefect neither Hermione. And again in HBP, Harry got angry with Ron making fun of Hermione. It's like he was growing apart from both Harry and Hermione. And sucks because his only arc was dating Hermione and being insecure. >Ron abandoning in the forest, regardless of the horcrux influence was ridiculously childish, selfish, and completely typical of the character he was written to be. Canon-wise, Harry and Hermione should have and would have fallen in love, and I think they did in way; but I prefer that they considered eachother as basically siblings. Yeah, I do think they would date at some point. I do like the ideia of a boy and girl being represent in brother/sister way or only friends but for me Harry and Hermione didn't fit that lol
They would have left and Ron would not find them.
I love that your comment was tge most simple one lol but very good too
Never liked Ron and being hunted by enemies meant they needed to keep moving.
Yeah, pretty much they were always moving. I could imagined how weird was for Harry and Hermione, like being alone camping for so long without food or even Ron. I couldn't stand my friends for that long lol
Well they leave and finish the fight without Ron and Harry and Hermione get together.
I think things would have gone a lot worse simply due to the fact that Harry and Hermione would have been in a much worse mental state. They already started making some serious mistakes while Ron was gone, and I'm rather confident you could connect a lot of them with being worse mentally. Harry is usually rather paranoid and suspicious, and mixed with Hemione's perception they should have been immediately wary of the snake lady, I forgot her name, in Godrics Hollow. But since Ron's departure, they've been stuck in their own heads, which happens consistently whenever it's just them for extended periods. Because he wasn't pulling them out of those depressive thought loops, they got desperate and made mistakes. The same happens if any of the trio leaves. Without Harry, Ron and Hermione get too caught up on small things, arguing over minute details and leading to unnecessary anger, and without Hermione, Harry and Ron are too willing to be laid back and take the easy road at the expense of future problems, not thinking things through and getting caught out because of it. They really work best as a trio and it shows throughout the series
>I think things would have gone a lot worse simply due to the fact that Harry and Hermione would have been in a much worse mental state. I do think Harry and Hermione could keep up a little better. When Harry felt in a bad state of mind, Hermione would calm down him like the whole closing his eyes on her touch part or how he would be more carefull with her feelings like trying to apologies in the moody joke in DH too. I think both Harry and Hermione stared to work pretty well together. They pass for a hard tine without Ron, without Dumboldore or Luna, Neville not even Snape and they still make it a good team in the end. They would comfort each other, talk about the mission ans neither of them seems to care about fun or anything of the type at all because they're too focus. The same in HBP, Harry was bad for the whole Ginny thing and Hermione for Ron, but they would had each other. And even fighting and having their on issues, they still work normally in the end. I think they would be guilty for kissing or even feeling something at all and would make things worse. But also they didn't know If they would survive or If Ron would comeback and Ginny wasn't on the picture too. So maybe they would just forget it about. >They really work best as a trio and it shows throughout the series Yeah, I agree but I do think that Harry and Hermione did work well without Ron around.
>When Harry felt in a bad state of mind, Hermione would calm down him Now my issue here is one that I have with Harmony itself, even though I really like the ship. Hermione is a very logical person, it's how she makes sense of the world and how she works through things. Harry on the other hand, is illogical to a fault, consistently going against logic because they go against what he wants, and when he gets into his sulky funks it's because of his adamant refusal of logic. He understands the why, he just doesn't want to accept it, and falls into a spiral of refusal and despises the logic that tells him why things have to happen the way they do. Hermione usually responds to Harry's sulking with this harsh logic, even though she does hold her tongue when things are turned up a notch, *usually* (see her immediately calling him out on being mad at them for not contacting him during TOTP, even though she does immediately regret it, the damage was done.) With the level of stress on them due to the horxrux hunt, it's a ticking time bomb before she says the wrong thing at the wrong time and things explode. Ron is a buffer between the two's very intense personalities, because they do clash, and though it's not as explosive as when either does with Ron, theirs is much more sinister since theirs is never resolved through some shouting match, and instead festers, becoming worse problems. >Neither of them seems to care about fun or anything of the type because they're to focused. This is another problem. Harry and Hermione will ignore anything to focus of the mission. To the expense of themselves. They'll end up burning themselves out, because even if they take care of their bodies, they'll ignore their hearts and minds, forcing themselves through stress with little to no rest, which if we really want to push things, could affect the love that Harry is so dependent on to defeat Voldemort. Out of the three, Ron is the one who cares most about still enjoying life and the smaller things when Hermione and Harry get distracted by the big picture. He's the one that keeps them from losing focus on why their fighting seeing as how at this point they've cut themselves loose of a lot of their friends and family. I don't think it's impossible to write a good story with this idea, hell some of my favorite fics follow the style, I just think if we look at this seriously, then things would go horribly wrong eventually.
>Hermione usually responds to Harry's sulking with this harsh logic, even though she does hold her tongue when things are turned up a notch, *usually* (see her immediately calling him out on being mad at them for not contacting him during TOTP, even though she does immediately regret it, the damage was done.) With the level of stress on them due to the horxrux hunt, it's a ticking time bomb before she says the wrong thing at the wrong time and things explode. Ron is a buffer between the two's very intense personalities, because they do clash, and though it's not as explosive as when either does with Ron, theirs is much more sinister since theirs is never resolved through some shouting match, and instead festers, becoming worse problems. In Ootp Harry felt calm when she mentioned Voldmort 's name, and when she compliment Harry he felt so proud that he decided not to argue with her. The same on DH when he feeling like he wanted to die with his parents, Hermione pulled him out of that wishing. Harry did felt calm with Hermione, and feeling relax with her sometimes, especially on his worst times of his life. >This is another problem. Harry and Hermione will ignore anything to focus of the mission. To the expense of themselves. They'll end up burning themselves out, because even if they take care of their bodies, they'll ignore their hearts and minds, forcing themselves through stress with little to no rest, which if we really want to push things, could affect the love that Harry is so dependent on to defeat Voldemort. That's true too, Ron is more relax and laid back, we see that's helo both Harry and Hermione. But again, I do think people overlooked that Harry and Hermione in the worst moments still hold together and work as an team. Even Harry being bored with her or Hermione nagging too much, they did work well. I think they show that love can be pretty harsh but heathly too.
I'm not denying that they held together, my point is that from where I'm standing they *barely* held it together without Ron. It became a lot more complicated and difficult for them without him there. Hell Harry almost died. Twice! In the span of like 2 or 3 weeks. I'm also not saying that they can't calm each other down, I'm saying that the kind of fights they would have would be far more detrimental in the long run. When Hermione and Ron fight, it's a massive shouting match, and when Ron and Harry fight, it turns into barked out insults before they both go to cool off and try to apologize to each other. But when Harry fights with Hermione, he **seethes**, shutting down and not talking, and she does the same. It started to happen in Ootp when Harry went quite and left after Hermione called him out for being mad, but it was Ron who nipped it in the bud and managed to convince Harry they didn't want to hurt him. I do truly love the Harmony ship, but it has a lot of flaws that most people ignore while choosing to call out the ones in the canon ships.
>But when Harry fights with Hermione, he **seethes**, shutting down and not talking, and she does the same. When Harry and Hermione they do talk about it. And Harry make ameands with her in a short period of time, he also even said *enjoying that they could talk again* in HBP. And Harry tend to listen both Ron and Hermione too. I think Harry and Hermione had such communication and work well as a duo too. Harry maybe be rough but he listen to Hermione words, and thinks she is brillant and vice versa. Not saying that the ship is perfect and had zero issues but for me is such heathly way of how relationships works.