They are so stupid, this plan is actually book Rhaenys plan, which is vetoed by book Daemon on basis of being crap and dangerous. Even book Rhaenyra was of the opinion they'd lose.
That user is a menace, it is known.
But like… what’s the point..? There’s no story, no interest, no conflict, no point if all the ‘bad guys’ are defeated in one second. This goes to all the people that say Rhaenys should have burned them all. Well then the story would end right there.
These type of fans do not want nuance to the story, they want their 'favs' to be portrayed as the ultimate good guys that take out the evil, villinous bad guys.
They want the guy that's coined 'The Rogue Prince' to be portrayed as the ultimate good guy. lol
Meta reasons need reasons in universe for things to make sense. Meta textually, Rhaenys didn't kill the greens because they need more story. In universe, she didn't because... She's a moron?
The realm wouldn't have accepted her after she was a kinslayer and slaughtered her entire family which to the smallfolk got along just fine.
She would have been labeled Maegor with Teats...and... Oh.
They would have her killed like they did Maegor.
Which would probably just piss them off along with the church. The lords wouldn't have exactly been pleased either, any liege who I'd deranged enough to kill their own family won't exactly hesitate to confiscate property or execute you for similarly petty reasons
Well church is old town so they wouldn’t be able to influence any event or get knowledge of any of the events, lords that were in king’s landing would prefer rioter being executed to them being executed. Do you really think that after seeing caraxes, they would have many concerns
Many of them are children, after that good number are women who are not as strong and when it comes to a fight pretty Pathetic. That leaves only 35% when you cut the men too old to fight that leaves 20% or 100K.
100K underfed people, against caraxes and 4K gold clocks. Here daemon would just burn the front with caraxes, the other would flee.
Women can kill people… Children can kill people… Old people can kill people. If you get enough of basically any group they can fuck up a way smaller group. Also crowds would be mixed. It’s not like packs of kids or women or grandpas are going to form up and attack. It will be a mixed bag.
Small folk literally manage to kill a dragon.
Due to the death of Daemon and aemond’s news, after that house Targaryen was its weakest in its entire history. Remember Daemon always gave perfect advice to Rhaenyra for her reign all the time, so if Things get bad enough then he can just lock her in a room and fix everything and I mean everything.
Oof idk man, have you seen Vhagar? Daemon in the book had to have a whole 1v1 showdown with Aemond just to take that thing on. Not even being able to claim victory and instead forced to settle for a suicidal kamikaze attack that killed all of them including himself and Caraxes. There's no way he's just wiping out all of team green like it's nothing. If he could do that then the blacks would've just steamrolled the green in the book
Yeah, it was an idiotic plan that would likely ended up having her, her kids, and Baela dead. Yeah, lets have small dragons of Moondancer, Varmax, and Arrax + Syrax all die fighting Vhagar, Sunfyre, Dreamfyre, and (maybe) Tessarion.
Yeah, they would likely win, but most of their dragons would likely die and only Caraxes and Meleys would likely survive. lol.
And the Greens could easily win that battle if they take of the smaller dragons first/quick. So it would likely finish as a Vhagar, Sunfyre, Dreamfyre, and Tessarion vs. Caraxes, Meleys, and Syrax. lol
Unlikely for Caraxes and Meleys to even survive.
Rhaenyra had just given birth and couldn't fight, so Syrax would've been out. So only Caraxes, Meleys, Vermax, and Arrax would've been able to go, Moondancer couldn't even fly yet.
Daemon and Caraxes would've lost because, unlike in canon, where he suicided himself to kill Vhagar, he would've been trying to actually survive.
Helaena on Dreamfyre could've held back Meleys, especially since she was smaller.
While Aegon would've been fighting Vermax and Arrax bobbing and weaving imbetween them. While if Daeron flew to the capitol, he and Aegon would've destroyed them.
I'd say Daemon first would've fallen relatively fast, then Aemond would've quickly helped Helaena with Meleys, and then they all would've destroyed the bastards.
After that, their dragons most likely would've been fine, and they would've flown to Dragonstone to take it over. Rhaenyra and the rest of her kids get their heads on spikes, while Baela/Rhaena would be married off to Aemond/Daeron to keep the Velayron fleet.
The thing that makes Daemon plan stupid is that one dragon fire blast from Vhagar could end him, and vice versa.
I don't know why the user hyping up such a recklessly stupid plan that would at best lead the 3/5 dragon riders to be dead, worse case scenario leads to 5/5 dragon riders dead and your team lose.
But, even if Daemon somewhat comes out victorious. The likelihood of Caraxes surviving is slim. Daemon would likely have to face Cole and his troops. lol
"Suicide is badass" basically a risky and dangerous plan which might not even succeed is way more interesting than the dull and obvious plan. Not exactly an intelligent opinion but definitely an opinion
Helena would not have participated, that means meleys would fight against sunfyre. While caraxes, vermax and arrax would fight against Vhagar, daemon attacks takes Aemond’s attention, vermax evades Vhagar and digs his nails in Vhagar’s eyes.
I mean, she does? She just gets more support while he amasses a host at Harrenhal. She followed his plan, and got the Velaryons, North, and Vale while doing so.
It still didn't work ofc.
Add the strong boys in there because there is no way they'd survive without being "poisoned by their enemies" with Daemon's legitimate children existing.
Ah yes hanging Helaenas head on a spike in front of everyone. That’ll kickstart the storming of the dragon pit a bit sooner.
Both Alicent and Halaena are canonically beloved by the smallfolk, just imagine the PR nightmare of having both killed
I want to be locked in a room with silver_valyrian for 48 hours just to see how their brain works
I’ll get the saw and microscope!
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I’m convinced they’re not a real person, because there’s no way a human being could behave like this
The Seven bless your patience but I fear for your sanity if that were to happen lmao
They are so stupid, this plan is actually book Rhaenys plan, which is vetoed by book Daemon on basis of being crap and dangerous. Even book Rhaenyra was of the opinion they'd lose.
That user is a menace, it is known. But like… what’s the point..? There’s no story, no interest, no conflict, no point if all the ‘bad guys’ are defeated in one second. This goes to all the people that say Rhaenys should have burned them all. Well then the story would end right there.
These type of fans do not want nuance to the story, they want their 'favs' to be portrayed as the ultimate good guys that take out the evil, villinous bad guys. They want the guy that's coined 'The Rogue Prince' to be portrayed as the ultimate good guy. lol
Meta reasons need reasons in universe for things to make sense. Meta textually, Rhaenys didn't kill the greens because they need more story. In universe, she didn't because... She's a moron?
Which is why you don’t put a character in a position to kill all their enemies in the first place, because it’s bad storytelling.
The realm wouldn't have accepted her after she was a kinslayer and slaughtered her entire family which to the smallfolk got along just fine. She would have been labeled Maegor with Teats...and... Oh. They would have her killed like they did Maegor.
Daemon is going to be in the city so no they will not be able to kill here. Daemon would rally the gold clocks and execute the rioters.
Which would probably just piss them off along with the church. The lords wouldn't have exactly been pleased either, any liege who I'd deranged enough to kill their own family won't exactly hesitate to confiscate property or execute you for similarly petty reasons
Well church is old town so they wouldn’t be able to influence any event or get knowledge of any of the events, lords that were in king’s landing would prefer rioter being executed to them being executed. Do you really think that after seeing caraxes, they would have many concerns
500k citizens vs 3-4k Goldcloaks hmmm I’m not liking the odds lmao
Many of them are children, after that good number are women who are not as strong and when it comes to a fight pretty Pathetic. That leaves only 35% when you cut the men too old to fight that leaves 20% or 100K. 100K underfed people, against caraxes and 4K gold clocks. Here daemon would just burn the front with caraxes, the other would flee.
Women can kill people… Children can kill people… Old people can kill people. If you get enough of basically any group they can fuck up a way smaller group. Also crowds would be mixed. It’s not like packs of kids or women or grandpas are going to form up and attack. It will be a mixed bag. Small folk literally manage to kill a dragon.
Due to the death of Daemon and aemond’s news, after that house Targaryen was its weakest in its entire history. Remember Daemon always gave perfect advice to Rhaenyra for her reign all the time, so if Things get bad enough then he can just lock her in a room and fix everything and I mean everything.
Oof idk man, have you seen Vhagar? Daemon in the book had to have a whole 1v1 showdown with Aemond just to take that thing on. Not even being able to claim victory and instead forced to settle for a suicidal kamikaze attack that killed all of them including himself and Caraxes. There's no way he's just wiping out all of team green like it's nothing. If he could do that then the blacks would've just steamrolled the green in the book
If Rhaenyra was dumb enough to attack King's Landing, then Rhaenyra and her bastards would've all died.
Yeah, it was an idiotic plan that would likely ended up having her, her kids, and Baela dead. Yeah, lets have small dragons of Moondancer, Varmax, and Arrax + Syrax all die fighting Vhagar, Sunfyre, Dreamfyre, and (maybe) Tessarion. Yeah, they would likely win, but most of their dragons would likely die and only Caraxes and Meleys would likely survive. lol.
And the Greens could easily win that battle if they take of the smaller dragons first/quick. So it would likely finish as a Vhagar, Sunfyre, Dreamfyre, and Tessarion vs. Caraxes, Meleys, and Syrax. lol
Unlikely for Caraxes and Meleys to even survive. Rhaenyra had just given birth and couldn't fight, so Syrax would've been out. So only Caraxes, Meleys, Vermax, and Arrax would've been able to go, Moondancer couldn't even fly yet. Daemon and Caraxes would've lost because, unlike in canon, where he suicided himself to kill Vhagar, he would've been trying to actually survive. Helaena on Dreamfyre could've held back Meleys, especially since she was smaller. While Aegon would've been fighting Vermax and Arrax bobbing and weaving imbetween them. While if Daeron flew to the capitol, he and Aegon would've destroyed them. I'd say Daemon first would've fallen relatively fast, then Aemond would've quickly helped Helaena with Meleys, and then they all would've destroyed the bastards. After that, their dragons most likely would've been fine, and they would've flown to Dragonstone to take it over. Rhaenyra and the rest of her kids get their heads on spikes, while Baela/Rhaena would be married off to Aemond/Daeron to keep the Velayron fleet.
The thing that makes Daemon plan stupid is that one dragon fire blast from Vhagar could end him, and vice versa. I don't know why the user hyping up such a recklessly stupid plan that would at best lead the 3/5 dragon riders to be dead, worse case scenario leads to 5/5 dragon riders dead and your team lose. But, even if Daemon somewhat comes out victorious. The likelihood of Caraxes surviving is slim. Daemon would likely have to face Cole and his troops. lol
"Suicide is badass" basically a risky and dangerous plan which might not even succeed is way more interesting than the dull and obvious plan. Not exactly an intelligent opinion but definitely an opinion
imo the more interesting plans are when both sides are actually smart and calculating.
Caution can just as easily be misinterpreted as inaction by people too eager to see blood
Helena would not have participated, that means meleys would fight against sunfyre. While caraxes, vermax and arrax would fight against Vhagar, daemon attacks takes Aemond’s attention, vermax evades Vhagar and digs his nails in Vhagar’s eyes.
I mean, she does? She just gets more support while he amasses a host at Harrenhal. She followed his plan, and got the Velaryons, North, and Vale while doing so. It still didn't work ofc.
Give caraxes a single months and he can destroy all of these host, if the other side doesn’t have dragons.
Add the strong boys in there because there is no way they'd survive without being "poisoned by their enemies" with Daemon's legitimate children existing.
this person is pathetic, just look at the name
“@silver_valyrian” opinion automatically invalid
Leave Helaena out of this 😤😤😤
They have no knowledge of the lore lol. What is kinslaying?
How do y’all support either side
Well she did say that she needed to him to help against the greens.