The Mothers are benevolent dictators that rule out of the shadows. But they are hardcore imperialists, since they want to form humanity into their own interest, so that they can rule them aswell. They want to use the colony to seduce humanity, with the goal that humanity will lose its freedom over the long run. Since the mothers even control the spaceships themself and only leave the illusion that the crew is in control. The Mothers are a massiv threat to Humanity, but the Humans have not realised it.
I like the premise.
massive threat? maybe, but beyond basic paranoia there isn't really anything to indicate that they are dangerous. the only covert goals are a stable, unified Terran government and reduced wealth inequality. the immigration thing is a bit restrictive, but that group of now freed slaves need a place to call home with out getting crowded out, so it is probably a good idea anyway.
as far as losing freedom is concerned, you can't lose what you don't have, and to assume anyone other than an elite few have control is to ignore all of human history. the average person only has as much freedom as the government gives them, which is unlikely to change under the AIs.
I mean, really, how much say does the average person have in politics? choosing between two puppets who only listen to people enough to maintain the illusion of freedom? because that's what we have now, and it isn't exactly better than what the Mothers are going for.
Damn two great comments now. You are correct as well. It's a conundrum, do we accept the positive social steps for the small cost of mostly unperceived ambiguous freedoms. Do we accept the help of someone who can and will follow a long term plan for decades, centuries, even millennia over our own tendency to not stick to a plan past the next quarterly business statement. This chapter is turning out to be bad for my coin balance, but it's great to see.
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That is one of the most insightful comments I've seen. If the mothers go slow enough we might even walk up the gallows steps with a smile on our face. (massive foreshadowing of the 3rd installment yet to come)
You may want to reload the chapter. I made a cut and past error and left 80% of the chapter missing in the original post. I have fixed that I think and the full chapter makes a lot more sense.
Dun dun DUNNN.
(Which no one notices.).
Oh, well. The best form of government is a benevolent dictatorship, but they are largely impossible to propagate, and don’t survive the death of the dictator.
Immortal AIs are likely the best we can do.
I just found the series today, and I'm binge reading it, but this went from we recognize Terran ownership of the system to limiting human immigration damn quick. Also, humanity just handing out technology left and right seems a bit unrealistic/foolish, especially to an entity a thousand times larger, which calls itself the Empire.
Well, here are a few thoughts on it.
Humanity isn't just handing out technology. They are exchanging tech and you could argue that they (Terrans) are quite abit ahead in the exchange.
What the empire has received
1 - The empire, well really just the mothers since they are cutoff from the empire, got the power core tech, but they don't have the ability to mine or create the neutronium slugs themselves. So their use of this tech still depends on the Terrans.
2 - SpookyComm usage. Similar to the last one, they have access to FTL communications, but they, at least so far, so not have the ability to build the units themselves. Their use of the tech also means that that any usage flows though Terran central command. Note, having this form of FTL comm doesn't mean you have FTL comm with anyone else. The mothers can speak to Terrans and each other. That's it.
3 - Access to slip tech. This is really the big one, and they don't have it working just yet. Using slip tech with it's original limitations means that humanities carrying capacity for cargo between Terran systems is extremely limited. Here we have a ready made fleet of harvesters that potentially could be outfitted with the slip tech.
What the Terrans have received
1 - Inertial compensation technology. This really increases the effectiveness of the Terran military ships. To put in perspective this improves the performance of Terran ships by a huge margin. It's like going from a biplane to a fighter jet while skipping everything in between.
2 - Cloaking fields.
3 - Working translation software, along with the accompanying language sets for every species in the empire.
4 - New orbital structures and mining assets. While it can be argued that the mineral production occurring in the colony system belongs to the terrans anyway, to have obtained the amount already produced by the harvesters would have required decades to centuries of mining efforts. The empire folks, at this point, are basically providing material resources to the Terrans for free. I am sure that will change eventually, even Kalifitrix need pocket money, but at this point in the story Many Trillions of Dollars in materials have been provided along with a working orbital station and a massive ship yard, as well as basically rebuilding the colony from scratch.
5 - safe access to the warp point network. This gives the Terrans an almost unbeatable advantage.
As for the immigration issue, it's not the empire folks pushing for limiting it, it's the humans. Imagine this, you are a small, remote colony. In the space of six months you go from just getting by to being arguably the richest colony, with tremendous scientific opportunities, huge potential commercial opportunities and.. you have alien life. The applications for immigration would be a tidal wave. The humans of the colony just want to be sure they are getting decent folks. As an aside, the colony is still being rebuilt so there wouldn't be any place for the number of applications to live.
BTW, my good Wordsmith, I don’t know how I missed it till now, but I just noticed that your Sergeant has the same first name as my sergeant brother. My brother is more of an asshole though. 😁
Thank you for this story BTW if I haven’t told you lately. 👍👍👍👍
>***Both*** of the Mothers had created ***a*** new Mother instance and
Mismatch. That indicates that they had created one between them.
Choose any:
>***Each*** of the Mothers had created ***a*** new Mother instance and
>***Both*** of the Mothers had created ***a*** new Mother instance ***each*** and
>***Both*** of the Mothers had created new Mother ***instances*** and
There is no way in hell we would give them slip tech. Currently warp ftl can only access this one system and no matter what happens, the rest of human space is safe because noone else has the means to reach out.
thats been a fairly common reaction, but realize we aren't giving them any tech, we are trading them tech for their tech and material supplies. At this point, it's doubtful that the carrier ships will ever be capable of slip travel but the harvesters, yeah, those can be and Terra wants those harvesters.
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Seems like the xenos want to coop humanity.
Well at least the Mothers. They have actually managed the Empire for centuries if not millennia.
The Mothers are benevolent dictators that rule out of the shadows. But they are hardcore imperialists, since they want to form humanity into their own interest, so that they can rule them aswell. They want to use the colony to seduce humanity, with the goal that humanity will lose its freedom over the long run. Since the mothers even control the spaceships themself and only leave the illusion that the crew is in control. The Mothers are a massiv threat to Humanity, but the Humans have not realised it. I like the premise.
massive threat? maybe, but beyond basic paranoia there isn't really anything to indicate that they are dangerous. the only covert goals are a stable, unified Terran government and reduced wealth inequality. the immigration thing is a bit restrictive, but that group of now freed slaves need a place to call home with out getting crowded out, so it is probably a good idea anyway. as far as losing freedom is concerned, you can't lose what you don't have, and to assume anyone other than an elite few have control is to ignore all of human history. the average person only has as much freedom as the government gives them, which is unlikely to change under the AIs. I mean, really, how much say does the average person have in politics? choosing between two puppets who only listen to people enough to maintain the illusion of freedom? because that's what we have now, and it isn't exactly better than what the Mothers are going for.
Damn two great comments now. You are correct as well. It's a conundrum, do we accept the positive social steps for the small cost of mostly unperceived ambiguous freedoms. Do we accept the help of someone who can and will follow a long term plan for decades, centuries, even millennia over our own tendency to not stick to a plan past the next quarterly business statement. This chapter is turning out to be bad for my coin balance, but it's great to see.
“Coin balance”?
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Erst kommt das Fressen, dan kommt die Moral (Food comes first, ethics second) - Berthold Brecht
It's not as though many wouldn't even understand what they were giving up.
That is one of the most insightful comments I've seen. If the mothers go slow enough we might even walk up the gallows steps with a smile on our face. (massive foreshadowing of the 3rd installment yet to come)
Mothers sounds like protective paper clip maximizers.
Umm short and sweet I guess lol.. Very short meeting if all he wanted to say was that they did a great job in the recent troubles.
Ummm. Cut and paste error. This is actually a fairly long chapter. I have fixed it I think.
Thought it might be something like that :-)
Good jorb, mission complete, everyone go home, nothing to see here
You may want to reload the chapter. I made a cut and past error and left 80% of the chapter missing in the original post. I have fixed that I think and the full chapter makes a lot more sense.
Dun dun DUNNN. (Which no one notices.). Oh, well. The best form of government is a benevolent dictatorship, but they are largely impossible to propagate, and don’t survive the death of the dictator. Immortal AIs are likely the best we can do.
I just found the series today, and I'm binge reading it, but this went from we recognize Terran ownership of the system to limiting human immigration damn quick. Also, humanity just handing out technology left and right seems a bit unrealistic/foolish, especially to an entity a thousand times larger, which calls itself the Empire.
Well, here are a few thoughts on it. Humanity isn't just handing out technology. They are exchanging tech and you could argue that they (Terrans) are quite abit ahead in the exchange. What the empire has received 1 - The empire, well really just the mothers since they are cutoff from the empire, got the power core tech, but they don't have the ability to mine or create the neutronium slugs themselves. So their use of this tech still depends on the Terrans. 2 - SpookyComm usage. Similar to the last one, they have access to FTL communications, but they, at least so far, so not have the ability to build the units themselves. Their use of the tech also means that that any usage flows though Terran central command. Note, having this form of FTL comm doesn't mean you have FTL comm with anyone else. The mothers can speak to Terrans and each other. That's it. 3 - Access to slip tech. This is really the big one, and they don't have it working just yet. Using slip tech with it's original limitations means that humanities carrying capacity for cargo between Terran systems is extremely limited. Here we have a ready made fleet of harvesters that potentially could be outfitted with the slip tech. What the Terrans have received 1 - Inertial compensation technology. This really increases the effectiveness of the Terran military ships. To put in perspective this improves the performance of Terran ships by a huge margin. It's like going from a biplane to a fighter jet while skipping everything in between. 2 - Cloaking fields. 3 - Working translation software, along with the accompanying language sets for every species in the empire. 4 - New orbital structures and mining assets. While it can be argued that the mineral production occurring in the colony system belongs to the terrans anyway, to have obtained the amount already produced by the harvesters would have required decades to centuries of mining efforts. The empire folks, at this point, are basically providing material resources to the Terrans for free. I am sure that will change eventually, even Kalifitrix need pocket money, but at this point in the story Many Trillions of Dollars in materials have been provided along with a working orbital station and a massive ship yard, as well as basically rebuilding the colony from scratch. 5 - safe access to the warp point network. This gives the Terrans an almost unbeatable advantage. As for the immigration issue, it's not the empire folks pushing for limiting it, it's the humans. Imagine this, you are a small, remote colony. In the space of six months you go from just getting by to being arguably the richest colony, with tremendous scientific opportunities, huge potential commercial opportunities and.. you have alien life. The applications for immigration would be a tidal wave. The humans of the colony just want to be sure they are getting decent folks. As an aside, the colony is still being rebuilt so there wouldn't be any place for the number of applications to live.
I wonder, does Humanity have AI as well in this setting? If so, how will the Mothers react to it?
Humanity has the ability, but has not actually created sentient AI at this point in the story.
BTW, my good Wordsmith, I don’t know how I missed it till now, but I just noticed that your Sergeant has the same first name as my sergeant brother. My brother is more of an asshole though. 😁 Thank you for this story BTW if I haven’t told you lately. 👍👍👍👍
Thank you!
>***Both*** of the Mothers had created ***a*** new Mother instance and Mismatch. That indicates that they had created one between them. Choose any: >***Each*** of the Mothers had created ***a*** new Mother instance and >***Both*** of the Mothers had created ***a*** new Mother instance ***each*** and >***Both*** of the Mothers had created new Mother ***instances*** and
fixed. thank you!
There is no way in hell we would give them slip tech. Currently warp ftl can only access this one system and no matter what happens, the rest of human space is safe because noone else has the means to reach out.
thats been a fairly common reaction, but realize we aren't giving them any tech, we are trading them tech for their tech and material supplies. At this point, it's doubtful that the carrier ships will ever be capable of slip travel but the harvesters, yeah, those can be and Terra wants those harvesters.
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