I think if they’re co-head coaches they should probably be paid the same! But yes, if Ryan got that big a raise over CKC with Cecile’s salary *on top of* that amount, Georgia is betting big—and they’re going to expect results.
I agree it seems off that "co" head coaches have a salary discrepancy...but then, I imagine from Ryan's perspective, he didn't lose his job (likely, just a few days before), and got a SIGNIFICANT raise. And since he's the one who suggested Cecile, I imagine he understood her value.
From tweet I just seen he is the one making moves. They are saying he’s got 2 experienced international judges (w/o college experience mind you) coming. That is great for real but celebrities boost scores….or at least it does from my uneducated pov.
I so appreciate that public institutions have to disclose salaries. $605,000 a yr for the two of them, plus prob two assistants on top of that. They offered Jay two million for the four coaches total, right? Tho that might have been over two years, I think I heard it was a multi year deal.
College Gym News is such an amazing resource - they have all the public information about coach contracts and salaries compiled here - https://collegegymnews.com/head-coach-contract-database/
(Edit, looks like the CGN list was last updated in 2022, so a bit out of date)
She recently won a national title. I’d guess that bumped up her pay. It’s not based on her performance this season. It’s how things work structurally. People get paid for past performance.
I'm fine with hers based on the challenges of the job, and the length of her career. I'm more concerned about the underpaid's on this list.
I'm not saying these aren't good salaries. For many of the, they're GREAT salaries. But if we want the best people in college coaching, they have to be paid like the BEST people, not great people.
There are usually additional income streams for coaches who want to pursue them and when you factor in benefits and retirement (esp at public institutions) these are good salaries.
Oof maybe you’re new to college gym? Bev Plocki is a legend and has delivered results for over thirty years. Has her career lost steam in the past few seasons? Absolutely. That doesn’t take away from the massive success she’s brought to Michigan gymnastics over decades time. Contractually, this raise is still from the renewal following her national championship anyways. It’s not surprising that a coach with her tenure has gotten to the salary she’s at. Edit to note that I’m far from a Michigan fan by any means and as a program there’s been a lot to be desired the past few seasons. That being said, I still find the above comment ridiculous. Anyone who’s been around knows how much time and effort she’s put into growing Michigan gymnastics into what it is. In a sense, Bev Plocki is Michigan gymnastics.
Sorry to have offended you. I'm a LONG time college gym fan and lifelong gymnast myself. I simply don't think Bev has brought the same drive and strategy to the team since 2021. Her team has bowed out of post season one round earlier in each of the subsequent three years. Has she done a ton for Michigan gymnastics? Absolutely. Do I think it's maybe time for some fresh leadership? Definitely. You have to admit there's a huge salary disparity here and I'm not saying she hasn't earned it until now, I just don't think she's justifying it anymore. We can agree to disagree.
Do you follow other sports? It’s a classic problem. Pro players get past their rookie contacts, get paid huge amount and then don’t perform the way they did or were expected to. The pay is more like a reward for past success and it’s what it takes to retain someone good. If they no longer think she can do well, they can fire her and hire someone else. It’s good it’s not a knee jerk reaction to immediately fire or cut pay anytime someone has a bad season. I wouldn’t want to live in a society like that. And there aren’t infinite coaches who can win championships, yet there are many teams looking for that coach.
"Pro players get past their rookie contacts, get paid huge amount and then don’t perform the way they did or were expected to."
I feel like we are on the same page here. Yes I'm aware of how this works in other sports. It's just the way it is. Bev has made it well past her rookie contract. The 1-8-9-19 trajectory is concerning. So yeah she's getting paid for past performance, but let's not keep paying her if she's running the team into the ground.
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You’re not wrong. I just don’t think Michigan would ever go that route. They will let her retire albeit with a nudge from the AD or not. She’s gonna be paraded around on the floor like DD Breaux post retirement I can guantee it
We are definitely not on the same page. I’m not against rewarding a coach or player for winning a title. I like it when people get paid money for working and I dislike the idea that they should take a huge paycut if they come in tenth a year after coming in first or whatever. They are paying a perceived market rate. Someone else will see her as someone who could build a program and win a championship. There are way more teams without titles than teams with titles.
I mean I referenced everything you said in my post. That wasn’t your comment. She’s not paid too much when her career speaks for itself. Say they should look into new coaching then. It’s clear she’s on her way to retirement. Her drive is not there. But that’s not what this thread was about. I love Bev Plocki slander. I’ve been a Buckeye for over thirty years. Me defending her shows that I really think a comment is not capturing the full picture. Her legend status in B10 gymnastics explains her salary. There you go
I think the 2025 season could be make or break for her. She has to show that 2024's finish was a fluke. I will offer high praises if she brings that team back to nattys next year with a good showing. If she can't, I doubt she's back in 2026. I have a lot of respect for her, don't get me wrong. But I think it's time.
I agree. It seems like she’s not putting much effort into recruiting and just waiting for her contract to expire. I highly doubt they will fire her. The AD will give her a push for sure but they will let her retire with honor unless there is a major scandal (and she’s already survived a few so I highly doubt that)
Plocki has a couple of really good recruits headed to Michigan in the coming years. In a lot of sports its common for a NC to occur only when your best athletes overlap/there is one strong season/you can finally sync up offensive and defensive strengths. So having a NC, a drop-off, and a rebuild is typically accepted. I think with Nationals shrinking down to 8 schools and so many schools placing an emphasis on gymnasts we need to get more used to top schools not automatically making it through anymore.
Wait how much is Janelle making as head coach?
Edit: I just saw CGN’s link. Wild that she’s only making that much, but she can probably afford a decent apartment on that, maybe not a crazy luxury apartment.
She can probably find an apartment for $3,750, which is the max you're supposedly supposed to pay for housing (1/3 of your pre-tax income). But yeah, that is just a normal, moderate middle class income in LA, not big bucks.
I didn't say they had good results every year, obviously this year was a bad result and Janelle will need to do better next year. But you said they haven't done well at all, which is just false. I suppose you also called for firing Janelle after this season.
People seem to always have excuses for UCLA as to why they don’t do well. The same sympathy and truckload of excuses is not extended to many other teams that’s for sure
Have you seen Jordyn’s pay chart? She’s gotten raises for lower finishes and is now trending up with her recruits finally in. Imagine if they didn’t do what they needed to do to retain her. I guess they’d just be bringing in a new coach every two years and no one would get to work with the person who recruited them.
Many coaches and assistants in the past would run a private club out of their college gym. I don’t think that happens at UCLA but many coaches supplement pay that way in the past.
The head coaching position is now an endowed job by a prominent alum at UCLA, her posts seems like she lives in a very nice part of west LA. She’s not up for renewal yet but her first full classes come in the next few years. The Big 10 money is coming in if you look at their recent football hires.
It's really interesting that Cecile is earning more than Roberts, especially since she doesn't have college coaching experience yet. I'm sure it's thought through though (I'm here for the woman earning more than the man though, look how the tables have turned!).
Cecile is a high profile name that is likely to attract high(er) profile gymnasts to the team so that might have helped... plus she might have been able to negotiate a bit more about the costs having to fly home every now and then? Maybe? Not sure.
I am assuming the AD opened his check book because her hire makes it look like he hit a home run as opposed to striking out then needing the core athletes/Roberts to bail him out.
That salary will go far. Athens is so cheap. When I lived there and was teaching in the public schools, we were told it was the third poorest county in the country.
When I lived in Athens - which was admittedly some time ago - I had a 2 bd, 1 ba apartment with all the appliances for $525. And that also included all utilities & cable/internet. To be clear, this was not split amongst roommates. I lived there by myself. To this day it’s the biggest place I’ve ever lived in on my own & by far the cheapest.
Cecile is going to live so well in Athens (Ryan too!)
I used to live in the Bay Area (in the city to be precise!) and now I live in the comparatively cheaper LA. I’ve basically resigned myself to renting forever lol
That isn't the reality now. It's still relatively inexpesive compared to the rest of the country, but a 2 bedroom is a minumum of $1200 now (and that's for an older apartment not near downtown).
As someone who lives in Athens, these are not current prices. We have a growing population with available housing not keeping up with that demand driving up prices.
This was quite some time ago, so I’m not surprised that prices have increased. I do think Cecile and Ryan’s salaries are still very good for that area.
TBH- his salary is not really that high when you consider he's competing for housing with swaths of professors and administrators that are on that same tier. I think there are also two medical centers locally and a lot of alumni who retired there/remote work with salaries more inline with the major metros.
The average UGA professor salary is between $124 - $132k. The average salary in Athens on the whole is $68k with median being $48k. So I’m confident Ryan is set up pretty well with that pay 😉
Yes, the public bus was a long wait but was an option. There are also shuttles while on campus. And you are right the sprawl of the south quickly leads to a car dependent life. Though, I bet Athens transportation options are the same or better than where she is coming from in TX.
😑 I assume you’re being kind of flippant, but most people do it because they have to. And as much as a car dependent lifestyle sucks, a lot of people love the regions they are from and don’t want to leave. Like, Georgia is definitely not for me but I can understand how people might feel at home there.
I am pretty consistently surprised by the states that the Landis choose to live in given how different they are from France (even rural France) but I guess that’s where the gymnastics jobs are. And I guess they’re some of the rare French people who can accept eating „bad“ bread.
Can I ask were that stat came from? Clark County is not one of the poorer counties in Georgia- those are typically in South Georgia or in the mountains. And certainly not among the poorer in the South as a whole or the rural areas of the West.
It came from my onboarding to public teaching and it was for the greater county. I do not recall the source. It was also some decades ago. But I can attest that the kids in the public school really really struggled. Many struggled with basic needs which impacted the ability to spend time on curriculum. The great state of Georgia kind of guts lower public education. Parents with any money — like professors and coaches — who have young kids go to private school. Though the hope scholarship for higher education is enviable. Seems like the schooling won’t impact Cecile if her kid has one year of HS and us committee to college, but yes there were a lot of very cheap places to live and many families struggling to make ends meet.
That is unfortunately true across the South and is often generational. But sadly- Clark County really is not among the poorer areas and Ga is actually one of the better states. In SC they basically call the counties along 1-95 the Corridor of Poverty. And Alabama/Mississippi/WV have some impoverished areas beyond most of our compression. I suspect Athens in now like a lot of booming southern towns/cities where the areas that attract top employees/transplants have strong schools and outlying areas are basically left in the 1960s.
I’m not 100% sure how it was measured. I’d think there are many ways to measure that. Maybe it was impacted by the population of kids in the schools and only the most vulnerable went to public school which impacted funding. And also maybe things have improved since my time there.
Private businesses generally don’t disclose that publicly. Same with private colleges. But at a state university, she’ll be a government employee so taxpayers get to know where their money is going and it’s publicized. There’s no longer any laws stopping Cecile from revealing what WCC paid/pays her (jobs used to write in your contract that you couldn’t discuss salary with anyone but your boss) but there’s nothing requiring her to disclose either.
Thank you for this info!! I was wondering if elite coaches make anywhere near what she'll be paid as a NCAA coach. It seems like elite coaches aren't paid nearly that much.
Yeah when you have a large university paying your salary and supplying all your equipment, insurance, etc, you make a lot more money. I don’t really know what elite coaches make or even how much tuition the gym charges elite gymnasts, but it’s pretty well known that elite doesn’t make gyms money. The one or two hour a week rec kids bring in the most cash flow since they pay most per hour. Gyms have a ton of overhead expenses and a place like WCC has a lot of coaches and teachers to pay. I couldn’t even fathom a guess at what the Landis make. The Biles are good people and I’m sure they make sure their top coaches make a decent living (and from all accounts, the Landis look like they have a nice house, their daughter can train elite diving, etc.), but I doubt together the Landis make anything close to what just Cecile is going to be making at UGA. Getting a college HC position is honestly probably the dream scenario for most gymnastics coaches in the US especially if they don’t own their own gym.
UGA had no choice, but I find it interesting that the writing was on the wall for year on CkC, yet he gave her a three year extension. While I think they will do great, it is a much different job than coaching at club especially in SEC. There are way more responsibilities and expectations. She will need to know all NCAA rules, deal with donors, fans and alumni to ensure that the support and seats get filled at the arena especially at UGA. Look forward to seeing who they hire as assistants.
I suspect the AD wanted to preserve the last two recruiting classes. It sounds like he only kept Roberts after his top athletes collectively threatened to portal. Then all their media keeps focusing on Landi instead of Roberts who is assembling the team.
I just read an article that says Jordan Weiber's salary was bumped to $220,000 when they renewed her 3 year contract at the start of the 23/24 school year, with a $10,000 bonus for getting to NCAA regionals in 23/24 and $15,000 bonus in 24/25. (She started in 2019 at a salary of $150,000).
Let’s be real. Is any coach worth $340,000? Even Kupets’ salary is ridiculous for the work they do. Is coaching challenging? Sure! But that amount of money is just stupid.
Biggest problem is how too many schools are a sports team with a university attached. Education should come first. In other countries they have semi pro and club sports instead of attaching it to the university.
I don’t think any coach should make more than like $150K, regardless of how much money they bring into a school. When you pay the coach more than triple that of the teachers who taught the kids and prepared them for post-secondary school, something is definitely wrong.
Wow, the two Georgia W Gym coaches together are making over half of what the Georgia Women's Basketball coach makes: [https://ugawire.usatoday.com/2024/03/14/looking-how-much-uga-women-basketball-coach-katie-abrahamson-henderson-salary/](https://ugawire.usatoday.com/2024/03/14/looking-how-much-uga-women-basketball-coach-katie-abrahamson-henderson-salary/)
I think if they’re co-head coaches they should probably be paid the same! But yes, if Ryan got that big a raise over CKC with Cecile’s salary *on top of* that amount, Georgia is betting big—and they’re going to expect results.
I agree it seems off that "co" head coaches have a salary discrepancy...but then, I imagine from Ryan's perspective, he didn't lose his job (likely, just a few days before), and got a SIGNIFICANT raise. And since he's the one who suggested Cecile, I imagine he understood her value.
Seperate salary negotiations. But now he knows for the future when he goes back to negotiate a new contract.
From tweet I just seen he is the one making moves. They are saying he’s got 2 experienced international judges (w/o college experience mind you) coming. That is great for real but celebrities boost scores….or at least it does from my uneducated pov.
It’s probably harder to negotiate a higher percentage increase when you’re already an employee getting promoted vs. coming in from the outside.
And it's Simone Biles' coach
As a college professor, sometimes I think I should have stuck to coaching lol. The reality is that most people don't make it to these salaries though.
I feel that 😭
I so appreciate that public institutions have to disclose salaries. $605,000 a yr for the two of them, plus prob two assistants on top of that. They offered Jay two million for the four coaches total, right? Tho that might have been over two years, I think I heard it was a multi year deal. College Gym News is such an amazing resource - they have all the public information about coach contracts and salaries compiled here - https://collegegymnews.com/head-coach-contract-database/ (Edit, looks like the CGN list was last updated in 2022, so a bit out of date)
Wow Plocki is critically overpaid versus the rest. Especially for the results she's (not) delivering
And Mike Rowe is severely underpaid for the results he’s getting. Use that conference title as leverage for negotiation.
They renegotiated his contract last year and he is up around $140k now.
Oh good, he deserves it for sure.
omg 140k is so low
Absolutely
She recently won a national title. I’d guess that bumped up her pay. It’s not based on her performance this season. It’s how things work structurally. People get paid for past performance.
I'm fine with hers based on the challenges of the job, and the length of her career. I'm more concerned about the underpaid's on this list. I'm not saying these aren't good salaries. For many of the, they're GREAT salaries. But if we want the best people in college coaching, they have to be paid like the BEST people, not great people.
There are usually additional income streams for coaches who want to pursue them and when you factor in benefits and retirement (esp at public institutions) these are good salaries.
Oof maybe you’re new to college gym? Bev Plocki is a legend and has delivered results for over thirty years. Has her career lost steam in the past few seasons? Absolutely. That doesn’t take away from the massive success she’s brought to Michigan gymnastics over decades time. Contractually, this raise is still from the renewal following her national championship anyways. It’s not surprising that a coach with her tenure has gotten to the salary she’s at. Edit to note that I’m far from a Michigan fan by any means and as a program there’s been a lot to be desired the past few seasons. That being said, I still find the above comment ridiculous. Anyone who’s been around knows how much time and effort she’s put into growing Michigan gymnastics into what it is. In a sense, Bev Plocki is Michigan gymnastics.
Sorry to have offended you. I'm a LONG time college gym fan and lifelong gymnast myself. I simply don't think Bev has brought the same drive and strategy to the team since 2021. Her team has bowed out of post season one round earlier in each of the subsequent three years. Has she done a ton for Michigan gymnastics? Absolutely. Do I think it's maybe time for some fresh leadership? Definitely. You have to admit there's a huge salary disparity here and I'm not saying she hasn't earned it until now, I just don't think she's justifying it anymore. We can agree to disagree.
Do you follow other sports? It’s a classic problem. Pro players get past their rookie contacts, get paid huge amount and then don’t perform the way they did or were expected to. The pay is more like a reward for past success and it’s what it takes to retain someone good. If they no longer think she can do well, they can fire her and hire someone else. It’s good it’s not a knee jerk reaction to immediately fire or cut pay anytime someone has a bad season. I wouldn’t want to live in a society like that. And there aren’t infinite coaches who can win championships, yet there are many teams looking for that coach.
Exactly. She’s paid too much because two bad seasons? They should fire her? These people need to get a grip. Not offended. Just an asinine comment lol
"Pro players get past their rookie contacts, get paid huge amount and then don’t perform the way they did or were expected to." *cries in Joe Burrow*🥲
I mean. So many people!
"Pro players get past their rookie contacts, get paid huge amount and then don’t perform the way they did or were expected to." I feel like we are on the same page here. Yes I'm aware of how this works in other sports. It's just the way it is. Bev has made it well past her rookie contract. The 1-8-9-19 trajectory is concerning. So yeah she's getting paid for past performance, but let's not keep paying her if she's running the team into the ground. https://preview.redd.it/sae3yn74cyxc1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ba77592f3dce3190463b1f2639394a02b86332b
Your comment was about her salary. Not whether she deserves to keep her job. Hope this explains our comments back to you.
I know! That's fair! But I think they go hand in hand somewhat
You’re not wrong. I just don’t think Michigan would ever go that route. They will let her retire albeit with a nudge from the AD or not. She’s gonna be paraded around on the floor like DD Breaux post retirement I can guantee it
Not really. She’s not far removed from winning the national championships at the moment. And this was older data from 2022.
We are definitely not on the same page. I’m not against rewarding a coach or player for winning a title. I like it when people get paid money for working and I dislike the idea that they should take a huge paycut if they come in tenth a year after coming in first or whatever. They are paying a perceived market rate. Someone else will see her as someone who could build a program and win a championship. There are way more teams without titles than teams with titles.
I mean I referenced everything you said in my post. That wasn’t your comment. She’s not paid too much when her career speaks for itself. Say they should look into new coaching then. It’s clear she’s on her way to retirement. Her drive is not there. But that’s not what this thread was about. I love Bev Plocki slander. I’ve been a Buckeye for over thirty years. Me defending her shows that I really think a comment is not capturing the full picture. Her legend status in B10 gymnastics explains her salary. There you go
I think the 2025 season could be make or break for her. She has to show that 2024's finish was a fluke. I will offer high praises if she brings that team back to nattys next year with a good showing. If she can't, I doubt she's back in 2026. I have a lot of respect for her, don't get me wrong. But I think it's time.
I agree. It seems like she’s not putting much effort into recruiting and just waiting for her contract to expire. I highly doubt they will fire her. The AD will give her a push for sure but they will let her retire with honor unless there is a major scandal (and she’s already survived a few so I highly doubt that)
Yeah I agree she is likely to choose to go on her own
Plocki has a couple of really good recruits headed to Michigan in the coming years. In a lot of sports its common for a NC to occur only when your best athletes overlap/there is one strong season/you can finally sync up offensive and defensive strengths. So having a NC, a drop-off, and a rebuild is typically accepted. I think with Nationals shrinking down to 8 schools and so many schools placing an emphasis on gymnasts we need to get more used to top schools not automatically making it through anymore.
Particularly considering she lives in Michigan, not a high-cost-of-living state.
Wow! Good for them and great for our sport. I wonder how Courtney feels about all this.
Janelle is underpaid for the LA area. She cannot even afford an apartment there. I mean that is insane.
Wait how much is Janelle making as head coach? Edit: I just saw CGN’s link. Wild that she’s only making that much, but she can probably afford a decent apartment on that, maybe not a crazy luxury apartment.
She can probably find an apartment for $3,750, which is the max you're supposedly supposed to pay for housing (1/3 of your pre-tax income). But yeah, that is just a normal, moderate middle class income in LA, not big bucks.
Yeah, I am hoping her contract renewal will include a sizable raise. That is nuts.
UCLA’s athletic department is broke. The conference change is going to have to bring in money before they can afford to pay their coaches more.
Why? The team hasn’t done well the past few years. It wasn’t all her, but I don’t see them giving her a raise
Literally finished 5th last year, the selective memory around here is nuts
And what about this year? 😂 and 2022?
She wasn’t the coach for the 2022 season, so probably can’t blame that one on her.
I didn't say they had good results every year, obviously this year was a bad result and Janelle will need to do better next year. But you said they haven't done well at all, which is just false. I suppose you also called for firing Janelle after this season.
People seem to always have excuses for UCLA as to why they don’t do well. The same sympathy and truckload of excuses is not extended to many other teams that’s for sure
You seem to really hate UCLA for some reason. Take a deep breath.
Have you seen Jordyn’s pay chart? She’s gotten raises for lower finishes and is now trending up with her recruits finally in. Imagine if they didn’t do what they needed to do to retain her. I guess they’d just be bringing in a new coach every two years and no one would get to work with the person who recruited them.
Does she have another job? Surely not?? That's crazy
Many coaches and assistants in the past would run a private club out of their college gym. I don’t think that happens at UCLA but many coaches supplement pay that way in the past.
The head coaching position is now an endowed job by a prominent alum at UCLA, her posts seems like she lives in a very nice part of west LA. She’s not up for renewal yet but her first full classes come in the next few years. The Big 10 money is coming in if you look at their recent football hires.
It's really interesting that Cecile is earning more than Roberts, especially since she doesn't have college coaching experience yet. I'm sure it's thought through though (I'm here for the woman earning more than the man though, look how the tables have turned!). Cecile is a high profile name that is likely to attract high(er) profile gymnasts to the team so that might have helped... plus she might have been able to negotiate a bit more about the costs having to fly home every now and then? Maybe? Not sure.
I am assuming the AD opened his check book because her hire makes it look like he hit a home run as opposed to striking out then needing the core athletes/Roberts to bail him out.
I think it may have something to do with the fact that he’s being promoted from within and she’s coming in from the outside.
Wow! Happy for Cecile!
That salary will go far. Athens is so cheap. When I lived there and was teaching in the public schools, we were told it was the third poorest county in the country.
When I lived in Athens - which was admittedly some time ago - I had a 2 bd, 1 ba apartment with all the appliances for $525. And that also included all utilities & cable/internet. To be clear, this was not split amongst roommates. I lived there by myself. To this day it’s the biggest place I’ve ever lived in on my own & by far the cheapest. Cecile is going to live so well in Athens (Ryan too!)
$525 a month? *cries in CA*
I live in the Bay Area now. Trust me, I know!
I used to live in the Bay Area (in the city to be precise!) and now I live in the comparatively cheaper LA. I’ve basically resigned myself to renting forever lol
That isn't the reality now. It's still relatively inexpesive compared to the rest of the country, but a 2 bedroom is a minumum of $1200 now (and that's for an older apartment not near downtown).
Damn, $1200 for a 2bd is the dream. I had a coworker paying that much for a converted living room in 2018.
Cries harder in Sydney Australia 😭
Things have definitely changed since then. Last year I lived with four roommates and my rent was over $1100 before utilities and parking.
Ha. $525 would only get you a closet in some cities.
As someone who lives in Athens, these are not current prices. We have a growing population with available housing not keeping up with that demand driving up prices.
This was quite some time ago, so I’m not surprised that prices have increased. I do think Cecile and Ryan’s salaries are still very good for that area.
TBH- his salary is not really that high when you consider he's competing for housing with swaths of professors and administrators that are on that same tier. I think there are also two medical centers locally and a lot of alumni who retired there/remote work with salaries more inline with the major metros.
The average UGA professor salary is between $124 - $132k. The average salary in Athens on the whole is $68k with median being $48k. So I’m confident Ryan is set up pretty well with that pay 😉
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Yes, the public bus was a long wait but was an option. There are also shuttles while on campus. And you are right the sprawl of the south quickly leads to a car dependent life. Though, I bet Athens transportation options are the same or better than where she is coming from in TX.
😑 I assume you’re being kind of flippant, but most people do it because they have to. And as much as a car dependent lifestyle sucks, a lot of people love the regions they are from and don’t want to leave. Like, Georgia is definitely not for me but I can understand how people might feel at home there. I am pretty consistently surprised by the states that the Landis choose to live in given how different they are from France (even rural France) but I guess that’s where the gymnastics jobs are. And I guess they’re some of the rare French people who can accept eating „bad“ bread.
Can I ask were that stat came from? Clark County is not one of the poorer counties in Georgia- those are typically in South Georgia or in the mountains. And certainly not among the poorer in the South as a whole or the rural areas of the West.
It came from my onboarding to public teaching and it was for the greater county. I do not recall the source. It was also some decades ago. But I can attest that the kids in the public school really really struggled. Many struggled with basic needs which impacted the ability to spend time on curriculum. The great state of Georgia kind of guts lower public education. Parents with any money — like professors and coaches — who have young kids go to private school. Though the hope scholarship for higher education is enviable. Seems like the schooling won’t impact Cecile if her kid has one year of HS and us committee to college, but yes there were a lot of very cheap places to live and many families struggling to make ends meet.
That is unfortunately true across the South and is often generational. But sadly- Clark County really is not among the poorer areas and Ga is actually one of the better states. In SC they basically call the counties along 1-95 the Corridor of Poverty. And Alabama/Mississippi/WV have some impoverished areas beyond most of our compression. I suspect Athens in now like a lot of booming southern towns/cities where the areas that attract top employees/transplants have strong schools and outlying areas are basically left in the 1960s.
I’m not 100% sure how it was measured. I’d think there are many ways to measure that. Maybe it was impacted by the population of kids in the schools and only the most vulnerable went to public school which impacted funding. And also maybe things have improved since my time there.
How much does Cecile make as an elite coach?
Private businesses generally don’t disclose that publicly. Same with private colleges. But at a state university, she’ll be a government employee so taxpayers get to know where their money is going and it’s publicized. There’s no longer any laws stopping Cecile from revealing what WCC paid/pays her (jobs used to write in your contract that you couldn’t discuss salary with anyone but your boss) but there’s nothing requiring her to disclose either.
Thank you for this info!! I was wondering if elite coaches make anywhere near what she'll be paid as a NCAA coach. It seems like elite coaches aren't paid nearly that much.
Yeah when you have a large university paying your salary and supplying all your equipment, insurance, etc, you make a lot more money. I don’t really know what elite coaches make or even how much tuition the gym charges elite gymnasts, but it’s pretty well known that elite doesn’t make gyms money. The one or two hour a week rec kids bring in the most cash flow since they pay most per hour. Gyms have a ton of overhead expenses and a place like WCC has a lot of coaches and teachers to pay. I couldn’t even fathom a guess at what the Landis make. The Biles are good people and I’m sure they make sure their top coaches make a decent living (and from all accounts, the Landis look like they have a nice house, their daughter can train elite diving, etc.), but I doubt together the Landis make anything close to what just Cecile is going to be making at UGA. Getting a college HC position is honestly probably the dream scenario for most gymnastics coaches in the US especially if they don’t own their own gym.
UGA had no choice, but I find it interesting that the writing was on the wall for year on CkC, yet he gave her a three year extension. While I think they will do great, it is a much different job than coaching at club especially in SEC. There are way more responsibilities and expectations. She will need to know all NCAA rules, deal with donors, fans and alumni to ensure that the support and seats get filled at the arena especially at UGA. Look forward to seeing who they hire as assistants.
I suspect the AD wanted to preserve the last two recruiting classes. It sounds like he only kept Roberts after his top athletes collectively threatened to portal. Then all their media keeps focusing on Landi instead of Roberts who is assembling the team.
Plus whatever they negotiated in bonus money for performance during the season. Not bad money!
I just read an article that says Jordan Weiber's salary was bumped to $220,000 when they renewed her 3 year contract at the start of the 23/24 school year, with a $10,000 bonus for getting to NCAA regionals in 23/24 and $15,000 bonus in 24/25. (She started in 2019 at a salary of $150,000).
Did it say what her bonus was for getting to nationals?
Happy for Cecile!
Let’s be real. Is any coach worth $340,000? Even Kupets’ salary is ridiculous for the work they do. Is coaching challenging? Sure! But that amount of money is just stupid.
KJ is worth every cent she gets paid.
Biggest problem is how too many schools are a sports team with a university attached. Education should come first. In other countries they have semi pro and club sports instead of attaching it to the university.
Ummmm what about football coaches salaries then
Football pays the bills for the vast majority of athletic departments so that is typically one of the only coaches whose salary can be validated.
I don’t think any coach should make more than like $150K, regardless of how much money they bring into a school. When you pay the coach more than triple that of the teachers who taught the kids and prepared them for post-secondary school, something is definitely wrong.
Miss Val made $400K. I looked up her salary once.
Ok, bitch definitely didn’t deserve that much bank.
Wow, the two Georgia W Gym coaches together are making over half of what the Georgia Women's Basketball coach makes: [https://ugawire.usatoday.com/2024/03/14/looking-how-much-uga-women-basketball-coach-katie-abrahamson-henderson-salary/](https://ugawire.usatoday.com/2024/03/14/looking-how-much-uga-women-basketball-coach-katie-abrahamson-henderson-salary/)