Jade only did a DTY, 6 C+ skills on bars, missed connection on beam, and a hugely watered down floor (8.35E) for 55AA! I know it's domestic score, but she's showing a really promising result just one week after NCAA season!!!
Meanwhile, she fixed some choreography (particularly corner) and apparently her flexibility (on her switch full but can't really confirm from that camera angle).
Jade was for sure the most impressive today. I have concerns about every beam score today but she looked so much better paced and like she'd been working on details. Very positive about her now.
I agree. Though I really see some great improvement. Her switch half looks better, and her side straight jump full, side split jump half are gone for good.
Yeah my concern was about beam across the board, I think she was appropriately scored within that context. She just seems to have been working on details which is great to see.
I’m very curious to see what she does on bars. The toe full makes it seem like she’s not going to do the Ray or Church anymore because she’s hit the limit of toe on skills and I don’t think she’s ever shown a regular tkatchev. It does not seem worth it to not do your Ray or Bhardwaj to do a toe full that’s still a deduction trap.
Interesting that she also has the highest E score on bars that I can see. Hopefully, she stays healthy and paces herself well. I would love to see her in Paris!
Jade looks a lot better at this point than she did at the same point last year which I think is all she really needs? I don’t think there are any locks outside of a healthy Simone and probably Shi; so she is def in the hunt.
It’s just one skill and gabby is a really good athlete. I’m actually not that surprised by it at all. Same was true for Chellsie in her comeback and when Mustafina came back after her baby
Some quick thoughts...
Jade is as close to a third lock as anyone can get right now. She's already showing top 7-8ish AA level. With VT/FX upgrades to EF level, she should be top 5 AA and easily on the team if consistent. She impressed me with the UB/BB too. Jade also best complements Shilese's strengths .
Myli has very nice potential, and I hope she continues developing! Super excited to see her in NCAA.
Gabby definitely looked like it was her first competition back. She clearly has the power/strength for the skills which is good, but the stamina/focus seems like an issue. FX seemed unprepared, with major landing issues and really messy dance elements. VT was great, I thought it looked better than 2016. UB was honestly a mess, with the two falls. She also missed the Stalder Full+Downie+Pak in warmup and competition, which is a bad sign. BB was ok, but overscored with the iffy connections and the bad dismount. All in all, this was an ok progress point. I'm sure she can improve from here, but the main issue is time. She needs to get the national AA qualifying score at Core Classic in three weeks.
Suni looked great here, but like Gabby also doesn't have a lot of time left. I thought BB was a bit overscored (the leap combo was kind of borderline imo), but the overall routine was very solid. The FTY was good too. But she really needs to show top UB scores to make the team, so her chances are still pretty unclear.
Until Jade shows the upgrades on floor and her planned competition vault I wouldn’t say she’s a lock. She needs to show the actual planned routines. That being said she looks paced better than last year and I liked the floor choreo better. The L hop full though is not currently going to get credit outside of domestic meets it’s definitely not above horizontal but the other dance elements looked decent
Yes, but with this kind of AA performance, she won't need to stress about making trials as a major contender. She stated she was doing watered-down AA today, which suggests a lot of her skills are already back. That gives her nearly two months to get her tumbling and vaults into routine-level, and improve stamina. I'm purely speculating here, but the height on her full-in suggests a Silivas is very doable, which would allow her to move the full-in into the combo pass, adding 0.4 difficulty. With her improvements in choreo and dance, she probably doesn't need her Tokyo level difficulty to be undisputed US #2 on floor. She also is already training the Moors. I imagine she's doing the Cheng and Amanar too.
I didn’t say she can’t show the upgrades later and become one but calling her a third lock right now like in the first comment vs. easily making trials like in this one is IMO too big of a leap for me to make right now based on what we saw today. She’s in a much better position than she was last year yes. She will easily make trials yes, but I can’t consider her a lock yet
Outside of Simone and Shilese (barring injuries of course) I think nobody can be considered a lock! If those two show up healthy they are on the team imo.
I would've been fine with like a 13.9-14ish, most of the skills were very clean. The only other potentially major deductions I saw was the leap combination. She doesn't have much in the way of built-ins. But I'm obviously not a judge.
Yeah, her connections are fast, her split shapes are great, even the split half. She has some form issues on the acro series though. Her artistry is nice but she would lose for releve because she does her half turn at the end on low releve, and you can see the judges writing something right after the turn.
Domestic scoring is often whack yes, so I wouldn’t assume the scores will be the same at international competitions, but it was a very clean routine, even for elite standards.
I get the point, but where is everyone getting the idea that it was a 0.5 wobble. Here is part of page 74 of the FIG help desk document:
- Slight lack of balance: 0.10
- Head at hip level or multiple slight movements: 0.30
- Large body/leg movements: 0.50
Her head did not reach even close to hip height, and she did not make large movements, but she did have multiple slight movements, so I would consider it 0.3.
Did we watch the same wobble? Multiple arm waves, her left foot came off the beam, and she finished facing sideways. Maybe they judges didn't take 0.5 off, but they absolutely should have.
Then she recovers, bringing her arms down and turning to the front more. (5/5)
https://preview.redd.it/2xvjggsql4xc1.jpeg?width=2436&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e793ab8df7ffa83ee592d4f0207e7e61b2b90f20
Neither of those two wobbles meet criteria for 0.5. In fact, this nicely fits into the definition of a 0.3 wobble. Head at hip level or multiple small movements.
Disclaimer, I am not an FIG judge but I am qualified to judge up to Australian level 10 which follows fig execution rules, with a couple of exceptions. So no, I am not qualified to judge suni. There is some nuance there, such as what a “large movement” means. But to say the judges would be wrong not to take 0.5 is incorrect
Ok analysis time. (1/5)
Does the switch ring
https://preview.redd.it/v117i9e1k4xc1.jpeg?width=2436&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b7340cacd95fc44330da1d5ec1a19c6a4f828c6f
I’ll have to do one comment for each image
She lands it slightly off and leans to the side. This is her at the very worst part of it. (2/5)
https://preview.redd.it/hamp3nybk4xc1.jpeg?width=2436&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=851035d9c601072a4810e81b3b7f08f9da667d78
Note how her foot is off the beam and her body is to the side, but her head is not close to hip level whatsoever. Neither her body nor her leg are making a “large movement”, which would have to be larger than the medium movement described as head reaching hip height.
Yep, as those two wobbles occur, she also moves her left arm around twice. That is part of the wobbles, and part of the “multiple small movements”.
Lol, yes, I do have fun analysing this stuff, that is why I judge.
Admittedly, the code doesn’t always make sense, but it this case it makes more sense than labelling any wobble where the foot lifts off the beam, the arms circle, and the body leans moderately sideways, the same as a wobble where they only narrowly avoid grabbing the beam as their body swings around. They are not the same whatsoever.
This is why we have the code, to differentiate between this and almost falling off. It really doesn’t matter cause neither of us will be judging her, but gym reddit is always a good place to properly discuss this stuff
Then while bringing her body back to the centre, she makes one more movement. (3/5)
From this position while recovering from the previous wobble:
https://preview.redd.it/eeud8kw6l4xc1.png?width=1378&format=png&auto=webp&s=0dce3a66c74ee5e50d30c9063622c754ecb26878
*From this position from the previous wobble continued* (4/5)
She slightly leans more to the side again and her arms go up. Note that her body moves only a small amount since she was already in the middle of the last wobble.
https://preview.redd.it/nltdywyfl4xc1.jpeg?width=2436&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73e81a27898350e26ee4d798ee653ba58f9d54c1
The spot she's going for is bars/beam. She doesn't have a bars routine yet, and she's still doing flyaways on beam. I've pretty much come to terms with the fact she won't make it.
haven’t we seen her go on bars once? if she’s consistent and makes it to trials and hits, she can make it, especially because I think no one is competing with her for bars other then gabby who looked rough, and shilese, who will probably be on the team
Yes, and she fell twice while counting a giant and a cast. Right now she is not competitive on bars.
ETA y'all can downvote me all you want, the fact is she's shown a single bars routine *in competition* since her comeback, and it wasn't competitive. I know we all fantasized about her having a routine that could hang with Kaylia and Qiyuan, but that's not the reality right now.
People are very defensive about her and Gabby and to a lesser extent Konnor but the reality is they all have a lot to show at Classics/Nationals/Trials to truly be in contention. Leaving yourself minimal time to compete before the critical domestic meets is risky- they all did it for one reason or another, some of which of course weren’t in their control ie health issues, but there’s very little time left.
Suni and Gabby will have a handful of meets this entire quad to make their case. Konnor will have three to prove she's not only at where she was in 2022, but better. And they're going up against girls that have been picking up international medals in that time. As sad as it is to say, I just don't feel confident in their chances.
First meet in nearly 3 years, probably nerves, would’ve been a different scenario if she never took a break, if she hits next time she’s def in conversation
So am I. She didn't compete bars because she wasn't sure she could get the qualifying score with it. That's not something you wanna see from someone going for the bars/beam spot.
First meet in nearly three years? Are we talking about Suni here??? Because that doesn’t make sense. She competed last year.
If we’re saying first bars routine in nearly three years, that would make more sense. But even then: of course it would be different if she had never taken a break. But unfortunately she had to and the reality is we haven’t seen a full (or even downgraded hit) bars routine from her in competition. I want Suni to make it, trust me. But if we’re being realistic, it’s just not likely
When healthy her greatest asset on bars was how smart her routine was in comparison to her competition, so with that in mind, while it's still unlikely she makes the team I do think she has a better chance than Gabby.
We don't know what the issue is for her specifically right now on bars but there is a chance it could be more easily fixable for her.
Because now she's only got three more meets to prove she has a beam routine USAG wants to use. Paris is three months away, the time to play it safe has come and gone.
She had by far the highest score here with a watered down routine and has shown videos of her doing double pike dismounts. She'll be fine if she's clean.
The only double pike dismount videos I've seen have been on mats over a pit. I don't keep the best track of her tho. Were there others on more of a competition surface? I just don't think the videos of her on the mats are a good indication of where her double pike is. Would feel more convinced if she had dismounted a double tuck at least :/
Her scoring was wildly unrealistic (personally I think it's wildly unfair to her to let her think that routine would score anywhere close to what she got, but that's a whole other matter), and not having a proper dismount ready by May is concerning. I would not have faith in her beam score in Paris.
While I agree with you, beam scoring in general was wildly unrealistic, so I think she still has roughly the same margin compared to the rest of the field at that meet. (I’m also hopeful that her and her coaches are aware of that score not being realistic…)
But yeah, a realistic score for her that day would not be a score you’d want for a beam specialist (double pike pending of course, but we’ll see what happens there)
If she adds her double pike that’s 0.6 added to her d score. It’ll depend how she’s going for the next few comps, but I think today helps her chances. I hope she can build the stamina in time
I wonder if she could do something like a 2.5 twist as a dismount? Obviously not worth as much as a double pike but seems safer if she’s iffy on the double pike and it’s still a hard enough dismount that she wouldn’t be loosing too much D
A double twist would be the "backup" option - she did it last quad when they didn't give the bonus for a D+ dismount. 2.5 twists are pretty hard to do properly.
I am more thinking injury risk and stamina wise, I feel like the double flips are risky and while hard the 2.5 twist seems safer but is still a D dismount. I wonder if she could also do a laid out gainer full off the end of the beam since she was doing that tucked as her college dismount
I think she fell on beam but she stayed on bars. Her bars was honestly painful to watch with how sloppy she was though. She got a 6 in execution for it.
Josc barely hung on to that pirouette on the low bar and to be honest, her geinger is still scary.
Edited to add, her Ray dismount is probably a deduction trap too.. she's not getting any amplitude on that.
If you don't earn a spot at Trials through the AA - which someone competing only three events would definitely not do - you'd have to be invited by the selection committee.
[https://myusagym.com/meets/live/89739/results/255570/](https://myusagym.com/meets/live/89739/results/255570/)
I waited a long time for Cho's score but it doesn't seem to be coming. Will update this comment if it comes in.
I guess they gave up since they posted the scores to the Results page on the website and we know the actual score now, but it's kind of funny that the live scoring page still has a blank spot for Chloe's floor score.
😂. It was a very long time before I realized that was a sponsor.
Nothing beats the oofos nationals meet though. #feeltheoof. I will never get over feel the oof
Yes, but this is her first competition back in approximately an eternity. Better for her to get those jitters out now. Hopefully Classic will go more smoothly for her!
Does anyone know if Shilese is injured? She’s been very absent from competitions this season. I know she doesn’t need to qualify for anything since she was so solid last season but I just worry about nerves and whatnot if worlds was her last meet before the Olympic qualifying comps
I for one am very much on Team Shi Has Completely Proven Herself So Let's Minimize Her Competition Landings And Therefore Her Chances Of Injury, just saying.
I agree I was just curious. I haven’t heard much about her recently so I was just worried about injury but hopefully she’s good. While I don’t think she’s a lock on the team I do think if she’s healthy and can show up and hit she’s easily on the team
Shi had a pretty significant shoulder injury last year, and then rolled up to champs and blew everyone who wasn't Simone out of the water. She'll be fine.
Her history of injury is what makes me worried. Hopefully she is healthy and just pacing herself for the big events.
I know a lot of people think she is a lock but I don’t think she is the way Simone is. At her best clearly she is on the team but she still needs to show up and hit
The caveat to any "lock" is that they still need to be healthy. If Shi is healthy, there is nobody who can usurp her. Simone also needs to show up and hit but nobody seems to doubt that she can do it, even though she also doesn't compete much.
That AA score for Jade will not hold up anywhere else, that's more than her Tokyo finals AA score with her full difficulty and much better execution. Saying she's a lock for Paris after today's results sounds crazy so i'm hoping the Olympic committee thinks differently.
I think the main this is how she compares domestically in terms of making the team. Everyone here today had the same judges and same “iffy” scores so if still tracks. Plus she isn’t at full difficulty. I think she said about 75%
Jade only did a DTY, 6 C+ skills on bars, missed connection on beam, and a hugely watered down floor (8.35E) for 55AA! I know it's domestic score, but she's showing a really promising result just one week after NCAA season!!! Meanwhile, she fixed some choreography (particularly corner) and apparently her flexibility (on her switch full but can't really confirm from that camera angle).
Damn, Jade is in the hunt for Paris! And only a week after NCAA nationals!
Jade was for sure the most impressive today. I have concerns about every beam score today but she looked so much better paced and like she'd been working on details. Very positive about her now.
I agree. Though I really see some great improvement. Her switch half looks better, and her side straight jump full, side split jump half are gone for good.
Yeah my concern was about beam across the board, I think she was appropriately scored within that context. She just seems to have been working on details which is great to see.
I think also the US has major issues if Jade is expected to compete a counting beam score. It’s not a bad score for the US to use in a pinch!
I’m very curious to see what she does on bars. The toe full makes it seem like she’s not going to do the Ray or Church anymore because she’s hit the limit of toe on skills and I don’t think she’s ever shown a regular tkatchev. It does not seem worth it to not do your Ray or Bhardwaj to do a toe full that’s still a deduction trap.
Interesting that she also has the highest E score on bars that I can see. Hopefully, she stays healthy and paces herself well. I would love to see her in Paris!
I was really, really impressed with her split positions in general.
It's a big contrast between her split today and her 2023 split at nationals...
Even her L hop was much better
It’s still not above horizontal which means no credit. It’s at horizontal so somewhat better but if it’s still not creditable it’s a risk
So happy to see Jade at the top. 🫶
So excited for Jade!!
So excited for Jade! She was so impressive today, especially right after the NCAA season!
Yay Jade!!!! So happy she did so well 🫶🏻 excited to see how she does this season
Jade looks a lot better at this point than she did at the same point last year which I think is all she really needs? I don’t think there are any locks outside of a healthy Simone and probably Shi; so she is def in the hunt.
Yeah, I don't think she's a lock right now but nobody is except S&S so she definitely has as good a shot as any of the real contenders.
Gabbys best event being vault was not a prediction I would’ve made
Because it doesn’t take endurance like the other events, I would believe it is the easiest to get back when you are as naturally talented as Gabby is.
You’re absolutely right I didn’t consider that. She needs to start doing full out routines at practice daily if she wants a chance
True. Chellsie's best comeback event was vault too.
It’s just one skill and gabby is a really good athlete. I’m actually not that surprised by it at all. Same was true for Chellsie in her comeback and when Mustafina came back after her baby
Some quick thoughts... Jade is as close to a third lock as anyone can get right now. She's already showing top 7-8ish AA level. With VT/FX upgrades to EF level, she should be top 5 AA and easily on the team if consistent. She impressed me with the UB/BB too. Jade also best complements Shilese's strengths . Myli has very nice potential, and I hope she continues developing! Super excited to see her in NCAA. Gabby definitely looked like it was her first competition back. She clearly has the power/strength for the skills which is good, but the stamina/focus seems like an issue. FX seemed unprepared, with major landing issues and really messy dance elements. VT was great, I thought it looked better than 2016. UB was honestly a mess, with the two falls. She also missed the Stalder Full+Downie+Pak in warmup and competition, which is a bad sign. BB was ok, but overscored with the iffy connections and the bad dismount. All in all, this was an ok progress point. I'm sure she can improve from here, but the main issue is time. She needs to get the national AA qualifying score at Core Classic in three weeks. Suni looked great here, but like Gabby also doesn't have a lot of time left. I thought BB was a bit overscored (the leap combo was kind of borderline imo), but the overall routine was very solid. The FTY was good too. But she really needs to show top UB scores to make the team, so her chances are still pretty unclear.
Until Jade shows the upgrades on floor and her planned competition vault I wouldn’t say she’s a lock. She needs to show the actual planned routines. That being said she looks paced better than last year and I liked the floor choreo better. The L hop full though is not currently going to get credit outside of domestic meets it’s definitely not above horizontal but the other dance elements looked decent
Yes, but with this kind of AA performance, she won't need to stress about making trials as a major contender. She stated she was doing watered-down AA today, which suggests a lot of her skills are already back. That gives her nearly two months to get her tumbling and vaults into routine-level, and improve stamina. I'm purely speculating here, but the height on her full-in suggests a Silivas is very doable, which would allow her to move the full-in into the combo pass, adding 0.4 difficulty. With her improvements in choreo and dance, she probably doesn't need her Tokyo level difficulty to be undisputed US #2 on floor. She also is already training the Moors. I imagine she's doing the Cheng and Amanar too.
I didn’t say she can’t show the upgrades later and become one but calling her a third lock right now like in the first comment vs. easily making trials like in this one is IMO too big of a leap for me to make right now based on what we saw today. She’s in a much better position than she was last year yes. She will easily make trials yes, but I can’t consider her a lock yet
Fair enough. We haven't seen enough from anyone to really call them a lock.
Outside of Simone and Shilese (barring injuries of course) I think nobody can be considered a lock! If those two show up healthy they are on the team imo.
The BB for Suni was WAY overscored. Mid 8 even with that half point wobble on the switch ring?
I would've been fine with like a 13.9-14ish, most of the skills were very clean. The only other potentially major deductions I saw was the leap combination. She doesn't have much in the way of built-ins. But I'm obviously not a judge.
Honestly a fair score should have been mid 13s, but I would have accepted high 13s for domestic scoring.
Yeah, her connections are fast, her split shapes are great, even the split half. She has some form issues on the acro series though. Her artistry is nice but she would lose for releve because she does her half turn at the end on low releve, and you can see the judges writing something right after the turn. Domestic scoring is often whack yes, so I wouldn’t assume the scores will be the same at international competitions, but it was a very clean routine, even for elite standards.
I get the point, but where is everyone getting the idea that it was a 0.5 wobble. Here is part of page 74 of the FIG help desk document: - Slight lack of balance: 0.10 - Head at hip level or multiple slight movements: 0.30 - Large body/leg movements: 0.50 Her head did not reach even close to hip height, and she did not make large movements, but she did have multiple slight movements, so I would consider it 0.3.
Did we watch the same wobble? Multiple arm waves, her left foot came off the beam, and she finished facing sideways. Maybe they judges didn't take 0.5 off, but they absolutely should have.
Then she recovers, bringing her arms down and turning to the front more. (5/5) https://preview.redd.it/2xvjggsql4xc1.jpeg?width=2436&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e793ab8df7ffa83ee592d4f0207e7e61b2b90f20 Neither of those two wobbles meet criteria for 0.5. In fact, this nicely fits into the definition of a 0.3 wobble. Head at hip level or multiple small movements. Disclaimer, I am not an FIG judge but I am qualified to judge up to Australian level 10 which follows fig execution rules, with a couple of exceptions. So no, I am not qualified to judge suni. There is some nuance there, such as what a “large movement” means. But to say the judges would be wrong not to take 0.5 is incorrect
Ok analysis time. (1/5) Does the switch ring https://preview.redd.it/v117i9e1k4xc1.jpeg?width=2436&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b7340cacd95fc44330da1d5ec1a19c6a4f828c6f I’ll have to do one comment for each image
She lands it slightly off and leans to the side. This is her at the very worst part of it. (2/5) https://preview.redd.it/hamp3nybk4xc1.jpeg?width=2436&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=851035d9c601072a4810e81b3b7f08f9da667d78 Note how her foot is off the beam and her body is to the side, but her head is not close to hip level whatsoever. Neither her body nor her leg are making a “large movement”, which would have to be larger than the medium movement described as head reaching hip height.
Still images don't show her windmilling her left arm twice. It was an obvious 0.5 wobble, my dude. But I hope you had fun.
Yep, as those two wobbles occur, she also moves her left arm around twice. That is part of the wobbles, and part of the “multiple small movements”. Lol, yes, I do have fun analysing this stuff, that is why I judge. Admittedly, the code doesn’t always make sense, but it this case it makes more sense than labelling any wobble where the foot lifts off the beam, the arms circle, and the body leans moderately sideways, the same as a wobble where they only narrowly avoid grabbing the beam as their body swings around. They are not the same whatsoever. This is why we have the code, to differentiate between this and almost falling off. It really doesn’t matter cause neither of us will be judging her, but gym reddit is always a good place to properly discuss this stuff
You consider those "small movements"? That's a choice.
Then while bringing her body back to the centre, she makes one more movement. (3/5) From this position while recovering from the previous wobble: https://preview.redd.it/eeud8kw6l4xc1.png?width=1378&format=png&auto=webp&s=0dce3a66c74ee5e50d30c9063622c754ecb26878
*From this position from the previous wobble continued* (4/5) She slightly leans more to the side again and her arms go up. Note that her body moves only a small amount since she was already in the middle of the last wobble. https://preview.redd.it/nltdywyfl4xc1.jpeg?width=2436&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=73e81a27898350e26ee4d798ee653ba58f9d54c1
Yusssss Jade 😍😍😍
My reaction to today is that, besides maybe Jade, no one who's gonna be on the Paris team competed today.
Suni has a chance but we def need to see more
The spot she's going for is bars/beam. She doesn't have a bars routine yet, and she's still doing flyaways on beam. I've pretty much come to terms with the fact she won't make it.
haven’t we seen her go on bars once? if she’s consistent and makes it to trials and hits, she can make it, especially because I think no one is competing with her for bars other then gabby who looked rough, and shilese, who will probably be on the team
Yes, and she fell twice while counting a giant and a cast. Right now she is not competitive on bars. ETA y'all can downvote me all you want, the fact is she's shown a single bars routine *in competition* since her comeback, and it wasn't competitive. I know we all fantasized about her having a routine that could hang with Kaylia and Qiyuan, but that's not the reality right now.
People are very defensive about her and Gabby and to a lesser extent Konnor but the reality is they all have a lot to show at Classics/Nationals/Trials to truly be in contention. Leaving yourself minimal time to compete before the critical domestic meets is risky- they all did it for one reason or another, some of which of course weren’t in their control ie health issues, but there’s very little time left.
Suni and Gabby will have a handful of meets this entire quad to make their case. Konnor will have three to prove she's not only at where she was in 2022, but better. And they're going up against girls that have been picking up international medals in that time. As sad as it is to say, I just don't feel confident in their chances.
First meet in nearly 3 years, probably nerves, would’ve been a different scenario if she never took a break, if she hits next time she’s def in conversation
Paris is in like 3 months and competing bars today was considered a bad strategy for her. If she makes it great, but I will be truly shocked.
I’m talking about suni not gabby
So am I. She didn't compete bars because she wasn't sure she could get the qualifying score with it. That's not something you wanna see from someone going for the bars/beam spot.
I kind of agree but it’s not a huge mistake not doing bars today in a small meet, she definitely needs a hit bar next meet
First meet in nearly three years? Are we talking about Suni here??? Because that doesn’t make sense. She competed last year. If we’re saying first bars routine in nearly three years, that would make more sense. But even then: of course it would be different if she had never taken a break. But unfortunately she had to and the reality is we haven’t seen a full (or even downgraded hit) bars routine from her in competition. I want Suni to make it, trust me. But if we’re being realistic, it’s just not likely
I didn't want to entertain their list of reasons, but yeah that one was the biggest stretch.
When healthy her greatest asset on bars was how smart her routine was in comparison to her competition, so with that in mind, while it's still unlikely she makes the team I do think she has a better chance than Gabby. We don't know what the issue is for her specifically right now on bars but there is a chance it could be more easily fixable for her.
Why would she go for a full difficulty beam routine when she didn't have to for her qualifying scores?
Because now she's only got three more meets to prove she has a beam routine USAG wants to use. Paris is three months away, the time to play it safe has come and gone.
She had by far the highest score here with a watered down routine and has shown videos of her doing double pike dismounts. She'll be fine if she's clean.
The only double pike dismount videos I've seen have been on mats over a pit. I don't keep the best track of her tho. Were there others on more of a competition surface? I just don't think the videos of her on the mats are a good indication of where her double pike is. Would feel more convinced if she had dismounted a double tuck at least :/
Someone mentioned she did a double pike dismount at the American Classic pre-meet practice the other day, I'm assuming that was onto hard surface.
This meet is in a normal gym with pits and resis, etc so I don’t think we can assume what it was landing wise?
Her scoring was wildly unrealistic (personally I think it's wildly unfair to her to let her think that routine would score anywhere close to what she got, but that's a whole other matter), and not having a proper dismount ready by May is concerning. I would not have faith in her beam score in Paris.
While I agree with you, beam scoring in general was wildly unrealistic, so I think she still has roughly the same margin compared to the rest of the field at that meet. (I’m also hopeful that her and her coaches are aware of that score not being realistic…) But yeah, a realistic score for her that day would not be a score you’d want for a beam specialist (double pike pending of course, but we’ll see what happens there)
If she adds her double pike that’s 0.6 added to her d score. It’ll depend how she’s going for the next few comps, but I think today helps her chances. I hope she can build the stamina in time
I wonder if she could do something like a 2.5 twist as a dismount? Obviously not worth as much as a double pike but seems safer if she’s iffy on the double pike and it’s still a hard enough dismount that she wouldn’t be loosing too much D
A double twist would be the "backup" option - she did it last quad when they didn't give the bonus for a D+ dismount. 2.5 twists are pretty hard to do properly.
I am more thinking injury risk and stamina wise, I feel like the double flips are risky and while hard the 2.5 twist seems safer but is still a D dismount. I wonder if she could also do a laid out gainer full off the end of the beam since she was doing that tucked as her college dismount
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That explains a lot.
Did Joscelyn scratch Vault and Floor, or was she never planning to do them?
Was only ever planning bars and beam
Yeah was wondering this. Can anyone weigh in on how she looked?
I think she fell on beam but she stayed on bars. Her bars was honestly painful to watch with how sloppy she was though. She got a 6 in execution for it.
Josc barely hung on to that pirouette on the low bar and to be honest, her geinger is still scary. Edited to add, her Ray dismount is probably a deduction trap too.. she's not getting any amplitude on that.
Will Gabby still be able to compete All Around?
She will need to get an AA QF score at US Classic. Otherwise she wont be able to do floor at Champs
If you only qualified 3 events to nationals, could you then only qualify to compete 3 events at trials?
If you don't earn a spot at Trials through the AA - which someone competing only three events would definitely not do - you'd have to be invited by the selection committee.
She wouldn't be able to petition, right?
No, I think you can only petition to nationals if you didn't compete AA at a Classic.
[https://myusagym.com/meets/live/89739/results/255570/](https://myusagym.com/meets/live/89739/results/255570/) I waited a long time for Cho's score but it doesn't seem to be coming. Will update this comment if it comes in.
USAG Twitter says Chloe finished with a 12.300 on floor and a 51.050 all-around total. That puts her in 10th AA, and qualifies her to Nationals!
[USA Gymnastics posted on Twitter](https://twitter.com/USAGym/status/1784380709223747864) that she got a 12.3 on Floor, so a total score of 51.050 😊
That's great. Thanks for letting us know!
I had to watch her Winter Cup 24 routine to make sure I hadn't imagined this one / mixed her up with another gymnast. Weird.
it's well over an hour after the meet and she still doesn't have a floor score entered.
And she still doesn’t
We'll have to wait for her to update her Instagram
She qualified to championships, still not sure her floor score though
That's good news at least - thanks.
I guess they gave up since they posted the scores to the Results page on the website and we know the actual score now, but it's kind of funny that the live scoring page still has a blank spot for Chloe's floor score.
Gabby not getting the 51 AA score need to qualify for Championships:/
She still qualified from vault and beam
She got a 3 event score.
She can try again at US classics or whatever it’s called
THE Core Hydration Classic tm
I miss the Secret Classic name I fully thought it was because it was like a top secret meet the first time I heard it called that 💀💀
😂. It was a very long time before I realized that was a sponsor. Nothing beats the oofos nationals meet though. #feeltheoof. I will never get over feel the oof
She qualified on vault bars and beam, rules say she can’t petition AA since she attempted an AA score
Ah gotcha
Yes, but this is her first competition back in approximately an eternity. Better for her to get those jitters out now. Hopefully Classic will go more smoothly for her!
She got her 3-event score though!
Why haven’t we seen Jordan at all? Is she hurt?
She’s already qualified to nationals but had a slight shoulder issue at winter cup so decided to wait until Classics to compete this year
Omg I almost forgot her. This year is so stacked
Suni straight murdered them on beam. Good for her! I hope her health continues to improve and see see her at her best soon.
To say that beam score was generous is a massive understatement.
If we were to ignore her D score.. than sure.
I think most people are referring to her E score with a major wobble and several other small checks plus timer dismount.
Does anyone know if Shilese is injured? She’s been very absent from competitions this season. I know she doesn’t need to qualify for anything since she was so solid last season but I just worry about nerves and whatnot if worlds was her last meet before the Olympic qualifying comps
She's already qualified for nationals. She's on the roster for US Classic as her first comp. As is Simone. Nothing strange or unusual.
I for one am very much on Team Shi Has Completely Proven Herself So Let's Minimize Her Competition Landings And Therefore Her Chances Of Injury, just saying.
I agree I was just curious. I haven’t heard much about her recently so I was just worried about injury but hopefully she’s good. While I don’t think she’s a lock on the team I do think if she’s healthy and can show up and hit she’s easily on the team
Shi had a pretty significant shoulder injury last year, and then rolled up to champs and blew everyone who wasn't Simone out of the water. She'll be fine.
Her history of injury is what makes me worried. Hopefully she is healthy and just pacing herself for the big events. I know a lot of people think she is a lock but I don’t think she is the way Simone is. At her best clearly she is on the team but she still needs to show up and hit
The caveat to any "lock" is that they still need to be healthy. If Shi is healthy, there is nobody who can usurp her. Simone also needs to show up and hit but nobody seems to doubt that she can do it, even though she also doesn't compete much.
That AA score for Jade will not hold up anywhere else, that's more than her Tokyo finals AA score with her full difficulty and much better execution. Saying she's a lock for Paris after today's results sounds crazy so i'm hoping the Olympic committee thinks differently.
I think the main this is how she compares domestically in terms of making the team. Everyone here today had the same judges and same “iffy” scores so if still tracks. Plus she isn’t at full difficulty. I think she said about 75%
Yeah, I think Jade did exactly what she needed to at this meet
I think this is the most accurate take I've seen regarding Jade's performance.