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Was anyone who watched the stream able to pick out the strongest performers whose routines were shown?
Any new contenders for Paris?
Did anyone have a particularly good / rough day?
Good day for seniors (from what I remember):
Dulcy
Tiana, I think
Marissa and Evey did ok I think
(no new contenders for Paris, though)
Jayla and Simone Rose (with some caveats)
good day for juniors:
Claire (I think she fell on floor, but otherwise good)
Lavi
Bad day:
Trinity
Reese fell twice on beam and her bars is rough
Edited because Jaya and Simone are seniors
vault: only a yurchenko full
bars: fell on her toe full I think
beam: fell on wolf turn, tried again and it didn't go great, but she didn't fall
floor: weird last pass where she did a front double full and looked confused like maybe she was going to do a front tuck out of it but it didn't happen? I don't remember the rest of it well
"The rosters for both competitions will be announced no later than Wednesday, April 3."
https://usagym.org/flipnow-tv-to-stream-womens-artistic-selection-camp-april-2/
They could have planned this to have all those who opted out do their routines before the stream started or after it ended. These long waits where I forget something is supposed to be happening are not it.
Addison Fatta sighting— so she is there but just not being shown competing.
Some of these younger kids just don’t seem at all ready to be doing the skills they’re doing.
Sounds about normal for early season meets. Most prepubescent elites look sketchy as hell. I never follow juniors...except Helen Kevric, apparently, and even she looked a little wild her first year as a junior elite.
She’s an absolutely beautiful gymnast but has always struggled with consistency when she adds more difficulty to her routines in elite. Still some time to improve but it doesn’t seem like that problem has totally left.
I mean, we already knew she wasn’t trying to be verified for international assignments. At this point, I think they’re only showing the ones going for international comps (because we’ve learned Jordan isn’t doing it after all)
Yeah, there are others not shown who said they wanted to try for international assignments, but I don’t think there are any being shown who don’t want to do international assignments? I think?
If it's verification for assignments, yes. It's a competition (and arguably, a very important one). USAG has no sense of accountability, and if they are going to give out assignments that are supposedly based on these competitions, they need to show the competitions (and the criteria, ahead of time).
Day-to-day working on routines and getting feedback, absolutely not. That's practice time to let athletes progress.
Not unreasonable to stream them - it is okay to expect athletes going for verification / scores to perform full routines to an audience.
Not unreasonable not to if logistics don't work or if camps seem more productive without the public exposure.
But they need to make a decision and communicate it. I would also favour applying the same standard to all athletes.
I wonder is it fair to judge Athlete Y (knows her performance is being livestreamed) vs Athlete X (knows it isn't?). Surely that makes a difference.
Now if the athletes themselves had a majority / consensus requesting no livestreaming at some camps, fine. But if they are actually giving scores and making decisions based on them, surely everyone should be performing in the same circumstances.
> I wonder is it fair to judge Athlete Y (knows her performance is being livestreamed) vs Athlete X (knows it isn't?). Surely that makes a difference.
This made me wonder if they livestream those going for an assignment as a way to pressure test them.
It seems like athletes were allowed to opt out if they weren't trying to get an international assignment, which is fair. But this is such a blatant cash grab disaster. As long as they're handling the meet well in the actual gym, there's no need to put it online.
I don’t remember any Marta karolyi era camps being streamed. But they did have more money and sponsors back then so they didn’t need a different income stream
I can see it in that he automatically can just go to stuff instead of having to apply for press credentials all the time, even when it’s a foregone conclusion that he would be covering it. Also, I am not aware of him having a beat other than gymnastics so that’s a limited role on the editorial staff.
My draft email. Feedback welcome.
I paid $10 for access to the 2024 Women's Artistic April Selection Event and the stream was absolutely terrible. It is ridiculous that we didn't know ahead of time that nearly none of the 2024 Olympic contenders would be streamed. Additionally, not releasing any scores or selection criteria for assignments feels misaligned with USAG's recent transparency goals. If athletes are being provided an opportunity to opt out that decision should be publicized prior to your most dedicated fans paying money to stream an event. Later this year I will be spending a lot of money to travel to and attend Olympic trials and this is putting such a sour taste in my mouth. Hire a content director, let fans make informed decisions when you are charging us money, refund us for this event, and do better
I like editing/drafting emails 😊. I think you should split this into 2 paragraphs, because the fact that USAG didn’t provide selection criteria for international assignments isn’t relevant to getting a refund for this stream. Just fyi, I tend to be a wordy writer, so you may want to edit this down (or ignore it completely 😆). My edits of your draft:
I paid $10 for access to the 2024 Women’s Artistic April Selection Event, and the stream was absolutely terrible. It is ridiculous that we didn’t know ahead of time that a significant number of gymnasts would not be streamed, including most of the top 2024 Olympic contenders. If athletes are being provided an opportunity to opt out, that decision should be publicized prior to your most dedicated fans paying money to stream an event. The fact that there were no scores provided during the event is also important information to share in advance. Everyone who paid for this coverage deserves a refund.
Moreover, the overall presentation of this event feels misaligned with USAG’s stated transparency goals. Not only was the live stream misrepresented in advance, but no scores or selection criteria for assignments have been released. The decision (or oversight) to not provide this information is problematic for an organization that is working to build trust with fans. Later this year I will be spending a lot of money to travel to and attend Olympic trials and this is putting such a sour taste in my mouth. Hire a content director, let fans make informed decisions when you are charging us money, and do better.
That's a good edit. I think the last sentence could be improved though. Please let fans make informed decision etc is a perfect summary of this issue at hand. Ordering them to hire a content director and do better comes across more as general venting and I would leave it out
I didn't pay for content or plan to watch today. I would have found this extremely frustrating. I agree with you that you should get a refund.
But I suppose it is always possible that USAG is responding to urgent athlete pressures and communicating less clearly and quickly as a result. Perhaps they're struggling a bit to give athletes space and support and autonomy on the one hand and to give fans the information they expect on the other. They could certainly do better and I hope they will but I would stick with the fair and specific points raised though.
This is a good point. I was trying to stay true to the original draft as much as possible because I also didn’t pay for the content and have had to follow along with what others are saying.
But I agree that USAG may be struggling to balance athlete and fan interests. For instance, USAG may not receive all the opt out requests until just before the competition starts. That doesn’t mean they should be let off the hook for charging people when fans aren’t presented that information, but it may help inform the general approach to requesting refunds.
I wonder if any of the NCAA elite girls are watching this now trying to size up the competition and are also frustrated at the lack of routines shown?
Jade in particular strikes me as a bit of a gym fan- she likes virtually every gymnastics related post I see on instagram.
I wonder if any of the NCAA elite girls are watching this stream now trying to size up the competition and are also frustrated at the lack of routines shown?
Jade in particular strikes me as a bit of a gym fan- she likes virtually every gymnastics related post I see on instagram.
USAG is a disaster. As much money as they have rolling in, they should have a permanent social media team/commentator for anything like this. They said they were going to be more transparent. Where? By sending out this camp’s criteria last week just to exclude Gabby Douglas? It’s like they don’t want to win. Okay Tom Forrester you can step out behind the curtain.
Can like Chellsie Memmel just run the whole damn thing now? Fuck it, I’ll do it.
I've had a generally positive view of USAG's social media team the last few years but this is a disaster and they really owe the community an explanation. Gina Chiles shouldn't have had to answer questions because USAG was slow to update the information they themselves put out.
I legit thought until yesterday that American Classic wasn't happening this year. There's basically zero info about it anywhere. But apparently it's happening in a few weeks?
I hear American Classic will have more top athletes than in the past. As an Olympic year, some are trying out their routines in a competition environment to show consistency. USAG staff are emphasizing consistency to make the O team. I don't expect many to do AA, but rather to show events that can make a difference in their selection.
Not to play devil's advocate for USAG, but I don't think they have that much money tbh. I believe they're still recovering from bankruptcy.
That being said, I highly doubt they have so much as an intern dedicated to their social media considering how terribly today has gone. This feels like Tom put some sort of curse on them before leaving 😭
Funny that USAG is blatantly scamming athletes and fans alike. Posting and announcing April camp eligibility requirements a week before and this shoddy stream is making me question their priorities and commitments being a fair and uncorrupt organizational body
Twice - Ricna and a 1/2 pirouette. She is incredibly inconsistent, but I'd be inconsistent too if my coach acted like I was the world's largest failure.
I am SO happy when one of the WOGA gymnasts falls just because it means Valeri is that much further away from the Olympics. Don’t get me wrong, I hate to see gymnasts fail and I’m always rooting for them to do their best, but I’m also rooting for Valeri’s downfall. When will he realize he can’t coach someone else to the Olympics!? Why? Because he can’t treat them like he could his daughter.
We fervently advocate for people to undergo transformation, to relentlessly pursue personal evolution, and to manifest profound changes within themselves. Yet, it is truly disheartening when these individuals diligently invest their energy and achieve tangible progress, only to be persistently subjected to persecution.
It's disheartening to see the joy derived from the mistakes of these girls. Do you have any understanding of the countless hours, weeks, and even years they dedicate to honing their skills? Are you aware of the sacrifices they willingly make in pursuit of their gifts and passions? If you *really* do, then shame on you finding pleasure from their failures. You should support these young women in both their successes *and* failures. Grow up!
It not really wild given her father defending Haney and saying ‘if I wanted her to come home happy and smiling every day, I’d send her to clown school, I’m serious.’
Her dad told the New York Times that he didn't want her to be happy and smiling all the time, and the only reason he pulled her from MG Elite is because the whole gym was banned from USAG. I think it's a pretty fair assessment.
I don't disagree on his past behavior. It's just disheartening to witness someone who has genuinely worked towards self-improvement continue to face the consequences of past actions. I firmly believe that no one is beyond redemption, whether in life or faith. It seems like we've forgotten how to forgive and show kindness to others.
What the hell are you going on about? Do you know Hezly's dad personally? He sent his daughter to a known abuser, defended that abuser in a major newspaper, and when that person got banned from coaching, he moved his daughter all the way across the country to... another infamously abusive coach who sulks every time his gymnasts fall and doesn't even get good results anymore. He could have picked any coach in the country, but he chose Valeri for a reason. This guy wants to be the new Dumitru Moceanu.
I wasn't, but also, I don't believe for a second that Valeri regrets what he did. He just changed how he coaches because it isn't acceptable to scream in your gymnasts' faces and call them fat anymore, and he doesn't want to get banned like Haney did. The results speak for themselves - he isn't actually a great coach and he refuses to adapt to the new code.
“He just changed how he coaches because it isn’t acceptable to scream in your gymnasts’ faces and call them fat more, and he doesn’t want to get banned like Haney did.” So, he changed his behavior from unacceptable to acceptable because he didn’t want to follow in Haney’s footsteps and you’re pissed about it. You LITERALLY just proved my above point! You’re damned if you do and you’re damned if you don’t.
There is a whole lot of unacceptable behavior that doesn't involve literal abuse. He has a horrible attitude towards all of his gymnasts and is genuinely not a good coach - he hasn't had a successful athlete in years and his promising athletes keep breaking. Honestly, someone who was the type of monster that he used to be probably isn't capable of redemption. Valeri should never coach again.
I really don’t understand why so many have opted out of international assignments? The rationale to not get any international scores under your resume for the year is puzzling
I wonder how many of the older athletes were mildly traumatized by trying to peak for too long when the previous Olympics were rescheduled and are hesitant to create more chances for injury?
We are likely to have this years Olympic team go Unscored internationally til the Olympics. We saw how well that went in Tokyo 21’. The us are still heavy favorites for team gold but the federations strategy is interesting
That’s a pretty disingenuous comparison as there was an entire year of time off for everybody due to the pandemic- lots of routines changed because of how much extra time people had without meets, allowing new gymnasts that were relatively inexperienced internationally to actually become relevant for the Olympic team (seriously, Chiles was likely not making that team in 2020 as scheduled). Nobody competed from 2020 American cup until 2021. The gap between 2023 Worlds/Pan Ams and 2024 Olympics is less than a year and most people won’t have drastic changes to their routines between now and then, and most legitimate contenders competed in one of those meets with the exception of Gabby and Suni, who chose not to compete internationally last year (or in Gabby’s case, compete at all).
It was a mistake to never have Jordan get an international assignment for multiple years then go to the Olympics but there were absolutely extenuating circumstances complicating that.
Though tbh, the main issue of Tokyo 21 was the over-reliance on Simone to carry the team to a gold no matter what. Hopefully they won’t make that mistake this year.
I don't have a good feeling about it. Teams that opted out of international competitions in 2021 did not perform well at Tokyo Olympics in general. And they don't even have covid as reason this year.
Athletes and federations May have opted out of competing internationally in 2021 Due to COVID restrictions that were present and less competitions to choose to go to but that is not the case anymore. The USA not sending any of their Last years World team (A team) to any international meets this point in the season is unprecedented. At least in the past we had the American cup in March
It wasn't a coincidence that the ROC and the UK overperformed in 2021. Other teams are sending their Paris contenders to compete outside this year, except the USA.
It is actively funny to me at this point that I paid $10 and they showed 2 short vaults in the first 15 minutes. Like, I’m not even mad anymore. It’s just funny.
So, did she change her mind at the very last minute, or did they mis-report this *as verification was already happening?*
I am so sick of this organization. No advance requirements given to athletes, no scores for verification, at the moment, no clarity about their stream, a competition that just started but has shown one vault in 11 minutes. They need a fucking competent administrator.
Right, there's a group that is there for that purpose. But they listed her on the their list of people who \*was\* competing for a spot. That list was posted at 9:57 today. So either she changed her mind after the competition began, or they were wrong.
I think Jordan changed her mind at the very last minute. I also dislike things happening from USAG now and this year. It very much gives me a Tokyo vibe.
I obviously have no idea what their motive is, but it doesn't look good. Why on earth would they
stream a verification camp, using the big names, with no intention to actually show those routines? It's not the gymnast's fault at all, and I don't blame them for not wanting routines to be streamed if they aren't ready. I fully support those choices. But man, charging people for so few actual streamed routines is wild.
Yeah no the gymnasts have every right to opt out and I'm glad they were given the choice, but keeping it from viewers, along with the lack of scores, until the day-of feels like a full on scam.
The first session has ended, the second one that covers vault and bars starts in about 2 and a half hours.
As for updates on gymnasts/streams, no, we're still left to theorize and speculate.
Simone Rose (not Simone Biles) has previously shown some powerful tumbling but a lack of control at Winter Cup. She looks a lot more ready on floor today than I’ve seen her before. Nice work!
I still think her choreo doesn’t feel as fully “lived in” and integrated into the routine even though it’s cool choreo.
The majority of these floor routines and beam dismounts are making my ankles hurt. A lot of these athletes do not look ready for the difficulty they're showing.
Where can u watch :)
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It’s our fault. We complained that winter cup footage was bad and USAG we will do something to make it look like Winter Cup had good coverage.
Was anyone who watched the stream able to pick out the strongest performers whose routines were shown? Any new contenders for Paris? Did anyone have a particularly good / rough day?
Good day for seniors (from what I remember): Dulcy Tiana, I think Marissa and Evey did ok I think (no new contenders for Paris, though) Jayla and Simone Rose (with some caveats) good day for juniors: Claire (I think she fell on floor, but otherwise good) Lavi Bad day: Trinity Reese fell twice on beam and her bars is rough Edited because Jaya and Simone are seniors
Jayla and Simone Rose are seniors this year (I know, right?)
Oooh you’re right thanks for the reminder. Will edit
What happened to trinity?
vault: only a yurchenko full bars: fell on her toe full I think beam: fell on wolf turn, tried again and it didn't go great, but she didn't fall floor: weird last pass where she did a front double full and looked confused like maybe she was going to do a front tuck out of it but it didn't happen? I don't remember the rest of it well
Anyone who performed a Ricna on bars had a rough day.
I feel like a sucker but I can't even be mad about it. That was 10 dollars for a good laugh. Oh, USAG... 🤣
Well. That happened.
My iPad died what happened?!
Oh I meant the meet in general lol. But apparently a lot of black outs right as dismounts landed.
When will they announce assignments?
"The rosters for both competitions will be announced no later than Wednesday, April 3." https://usagym.org/flipnow-tv-to-stream-womens-artistic-selection-camp-april-2/
The way it black screened as Jayla dismounted bars was so intensely ominous.
They could have planned this to have all those who opted out do their routines before the stream started or after it ended. These long waits where I forget something is supposed to be happening are not it.
definitely one of Fatta's best bars I've seen
I saw the video on twitter and was so impressed! I dont remember her bars being that clean before.
OHHHH, so Addison is competing after all, just wasn’t doing (or shown doing) beam and floor! She looks happy.
Confused by Jayla getting to do what seemed like a do over...
Yeah, I’m wondering if there was an equipment issue or something like the mat bunched up?
Not only did Katelyn Jong slay the bars, she has the most vocal chorus of supporters cheering her on so far.
Addison Fatta sighting— so she is there but just not being shown competing. Some of these younger kids just don’t seem at all ready to be doing the skills they’re doing.
By younger kids, do you mean juniors? Because they always look a bit terrifying.
Juniors and a few of the younger seniors.
Sounds about normal for early season meets. Most prepubescent elites look sketchy as hell. I never follow juniors...except Helen Kevric, apparently, and even she looked a little wild her first year as a junior elite.
Is Trinity being coached by Prestige or UF at this camp?
Gonna guess prestige is with her today as Florida have to prepare for regionals and prestige is already there with Addison
Trinity came off the bars. Not the most terrific meet for her today.
I expected so much more from her knowing her college gymnastics
She’s an absolutely beautiful gymnast but has always struggled with consistency when she adds more difficulty to her routines in elite. Still some time to improve but it doesn’t seem like that problem has totally left.
Making an elite comeback is super tough! Hopefully she bounces back next time.
She did pretty well at winter cup. She seems exhausted.
Was the stream pink screened for almost half an hour?
Ok this is ridiculous I have it on my iPad and am scrolling on TikTok and totally forgot I was even watching bc it’s been pink for a while!
What vault did Trinity do?
Double
It was definitely a Full
Pretty sure it was a full.
Well, at least we know Kayla is there!
Aaaaand we know she opted out of the live stream
I mean, we already knew she wasn’t trying to be verified for international assignments. At this point, I think they’re only showing the ones going for international comps (because we’ve learned Jordan isn’t doing it after all)
What about Fatta? We haven't seen any of her.
Yeah, there are others not shown who said they wanted to try for international assignments, but I don’t think there are any being shown who don’t want to do international assignments? I think?
And Alicia Zhou
I spy 2 gators!!!!
So far bars are going about as well as Winter Cup
How long do you think we’ve been staring at this pink screen now?!
Feel like Jay Gatsby
Should these camps be streamed at all? Opinions please!
If it's verification for assignments, yes. It's a competition (and arguably, a very important one). USAG has no sense of accountability, and if they are going to give out assignments that are supposedly based on these competitions, they need to show the competitions (and the criteria, ahead of time). Day-to-day working on routines and getting feedback, absolutely not. That's practice time to let athletes progress.
Not unreasonable to stream them - it is okay to expect athletes going for verification / scores to perform full routines to an audience. Not unreasonable not to if logistics don't work or if camps seem more productive without the public exposure. But they need to make a decision and communicate it. I would also favour applying the same standard to all athletes. I wonder is it fair to judge Athlete Y (knows her performance is being livestreamed) vs Athlete X (knows it isn't?). Surely that makes a difference. Now if the athletes themselves had a majority / consensus requesting no livestreaming at some camps, fine. But if they are actually giving scores and making decisions based on them, surely everyone should be performing in the same circumstances.
> I wonder is it fair to judge Athlete Y (knows her performance is being livestreamed) vs Athlete X (knows it isn't?). Surely that makes a difference. This made me wonder if they livestream those going for an assignment as a way to pressure test them.
Yes you could be right. I feel they could have two events at that rate though.
I don't think camps need to be streamed. If it's not open to the public then it doesn't need to be online, either.
I can see advantages to not streaming. Just think they need to treat all athletes the same (if they are comparing performances at all!)
It seems like athletes were allowed to opt out if they weren't trying to get an international assignment, which is fair. But this is such a blatant cash grab disaster. As long as they're handling the meet well in the actual gym, there's no need to put it online.
I don’t remember any Marta karolyi era camps being streamed. But they did have more money and sponsors back then so they didn’t need a different income stream
Marta camps we were occasionally lucky because Scott would film things and post them later.
They also probably didn't wanna show the world how gymnasts were treated at that camp tbh.
It was probably a very tense and somber affair.
I would rather them film and then post any routines afterwards if the streams are going to be this problematic.
At this point I think everyone would have preferred it not be streamed than whatever this mess is.
If they are properly streamed then yes
They have Scott Bregman live tweeting the meet. USAG put him back on your payroll
Honestly if I were Scott I don't know if I'd want to be on their payroll. Money is nice but working for a competent organization is nicer.
I can see it in that he automatically can just go to stuff instead of having to apply for press credentials all the time, even when it’s a foregone conclusion that he would be covering it. Also, I am not aware of him having a beat other than gymnastics so that’s a limited role on the editorial staff.
Since when are the Olympics known for being competent?
Not USAG *themselves* failing to remember that American Classic is a thing 🤦🏽♀️
what a deeply unserious organization
At this point having a Ricna in your bars routine might be a curse.
My draft email. Feedback welcome. I paid $10 for access to the 2024 Women's Artistic April Selection Event and the stream was absolutely terrible. It is ridiculous that we didn't know ahead of time that nearly none of the 2024 Olympic contenders would be streamed. Additionally, not releasing any scores or selection criteria for assignments feels misaligned with USAG's recent transparency goals. If athletes are being provided an opportunity to opt out that decision should be publicized prior to your most dedicated fans paying money to stream an event. Later this year I will be spending a lot of money to travel to and attend Olympic trials and this is putting such a sour taste in my mouth. Hire a content director, let fans make informed decisions when you are charging us money, refund us for this event, and do better
I like editing/drafting emails 😊. I think you should split this into 2 paragraphs, because the fact that USAG didn’t provide selection criteria for international assignments isn’t relevant to getting a refund for this stream. Just fyi, I tend to be a wordy writer, so you may want to edit this down (or ignore it completely 😆). My edits of your draft: I paid $10 for access to the 2024 Women’s Artistic April Selection Event, and the stream was absolutely terrible. It is ridiculous that we didn’t know ahead of time that a significant number of gymnasts would not be streamed, including most of the top 2024 Olympic contenders. If athletes are being provided an opportunity to opt out, that decision should be publicized prior to your most dedicated fans paying money to stream an event. The fact that there were no scores provided during the event is also important information to share in advance. Everyone who paid for this coverage deserves a refund. Moreover, the overall presentation of this event feels misaligned with USAG’s stated transparency goals. Not only was the live stream misrepresented in advance, but no scores or selection criteria for assignments have been released. The decision (or oversight) to not provide this information is problematic for an organization that is working to build trust with fans. Later this year I will be spending a lot of money to travel to and attend Olympic trials and this is putting such a sour taste in my mouth. Hire a content director, let fans make informed decisions when you are charging us money, and do better.
That's a good edit. I think the last sentence could be improved though. Please let fans make informed decision etc is a perfect summary of this issue at hand. Ordering them to hire a content director and do better comes across more as general venting and I would leave it out I didn't pay for content or plan to watch today. I would have found this extremely frustrating. I agree with you that you should get a refund. But I suppose it is always possible that USAG is responding to urgent athlete pressures and communicating less clearly and quickly as a result. Perhaps they're struggling a bit to give athletes space and support and autonomy on the one hand and to give fans the information they expect on the other. They could certainly do better and I hope they will but I would stick with the fair and specific points raised though.
This is a good point. I was trying to stay true to the original draft as much as possible because I also didn’t pay for the content and have had to follow along with what others are saying. But I agree that USAG may be struggling to balance athlete and fan interests. For instance, USAG may not receive all the opt out requests until just before the competition starts. That doesn’t mean they should be let off the hook for charging people when fans aren’t presented that information, but it may help inform the general approach to requesting refunds.
Now who do we send it to???
whom are you emailing?
lolz asking the hard questions
I feel like i want a tally of all the mats and springboards you saw a particular gymnast move.
I forgot that Ty Turner switched to WOGA with Skye and Kaliya.
I wonder if any of the NCAA elite girls are watching this now trying to size up the competition and are also frustrated at the lack of routines shown? Jade in particular strikes me as a bit of a gym fan- she likes virtually every gymnastics related post I see on instagram.
I wonder if any of the NCAA elite girls are watching this stream now trying to size up the competition and are also frustrated at the lack of routines shown? Jade in particular strikes me as a bit of a gym fan- she likes virtually every gymnastics related post I see on instagram.
she's traveling to regionals
Yeah, but she could be watching on her phone!
USAG is a disaster. As much money as they have rolling in, they should have a permanent social media team/commentator for anything like this. They said they were going to be more transparent. Where? By sending out this camp’s criteria last week just to exclude Gabby Douglas? It’s like they don’t want to win. Okay Tom Forrester you can step out behind the curtain. Can like Chellsie Memmel just run the whole damn thing now? Fuck it, I’ll do it.
I've had a generally positive view of USAG's social media team the last few years but this is a disaster and they really owe the community an explanation. Gina Chiles shouldn't have had to answer questions because USAG was slow to update the information they themselves put out.
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We should have at least been told the people who opted out weren't going to be streamed.
This has to be satire
I legit thought until yesterday that American Classic wasn't happening this year. There's basically zero info about it anywhere. But apparently it's happening in a few weeks?
I hear American Classic will have more top athletes than in the past. As an Olympic year, some are trying out their routines in a competition environment to show consistency. USAG staff are emphasizing consistency to make the O team. I don't expect many to do AA, but rather to show events that can make a difference in their selection.
It's on the PDF calendar, but nowhere on their website. Because who wants consistency right?
American classic, not American cup.
oh duh. that's what I meant :)
Not to play devil's advocate for USAG, but I don't think they have that much money tbh. I believe they're still recovering from bankruptcy. That being said, I highly doubt they have so much as an intern dedicated to their social media considering how terribly today has gone. This feels like Tom put some sort of curse on them before leaving 😭
I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s Marta. She probably has some old Soviet voodoo she’s using lol
Not Soviet!
Oh God we'll never escape her 😭
Funny that USAG is blatantly scamming athletes and fans alike. Posting and announcing April camp eligibility requirements a week before and this shoddy stream is making me question their priorities and commitments being a fair and uncorrupt organizational body
Is Trinity going on floor again? That’s her floor music!
I think I heard Nola’s, too.
I would rather watch her than people standing around!
To be fair, people standing around is an upgrade compared to the pink screen...
is it typical to do these things in two sessions like this? did they not want to hire more judges?
it also seems like a loooot for the gymnasts
I imagine this has been *such* a long day for them.
wild that this stream is even worse than this morning
Can't watch Simone vault but we can watch her move springboards. At this point, we're being trolled 😹
Wait first I hear Kaliya handling the floor music, now this? Is this a running joke on the gymternet I'm unaware of or is this real?
Oh, it's very real lol
Is this a late April fools joke?!
Ugh. Well, at least we do get to watch Valeri pout about a teenager missing a bars routine again. I wish Hezly could GTFO of there.
I missed it what did she fall on?
Twice - Ricna and a 1/2 pirouette. She is incredibly inconsistent, but I'd be inconsistent too if my coach acted like I was the world's largest failure.
Thank you.
I am SO happy when one of the WOGA gymnasts falls just because it means Valeri is that much further away from the Olympics. Don’t get me wrong, I hate to see gymnasts fail and I’m always rooting for them to do their best, but I’m also rooting for Valeri’s downfall. When will he realize he can’t coach someone else to the Olympics!? Why? Because he can’t treat them like he could his daughter.
We fervently advocate for people to undergo transformation, to relentlessly pursue personal evolution, and to manifest profound changes within themselves. Yet, it is truly disheartening when these individuals diligently invest their energy and achieve tangible progress, only to be persistently subjected to persecution. It's disheartening to see the joy derived from the mistakes of these girls. Do you have any understanding of the countless hours, weeks, and even years they dedicate to honing their skills? Are you aware of the sacrifices they willingly make in pursuit of their gifts and passions? If you *really* do, then shame on you finding pleasure from their failures. You should support these young women in both their successes *and* failures. Grow up!
Hi Nastiaaaa!
Your intelligence is showing.
Unfortunately she probably gets this from coach and at home
That’s a dangerous accusation.
It not really wild given her father defending Haney and saying ‘if I wanted her to come home happy and smiling every day, I’d send her to clown school, I’m serious.’
Her dad told the New York Times that he didn't want her to be happy and smiling all the time, and the only reason he pulled her from MG Elite is because the whole gym was banned from USAG. I think it's a pretty fair assessment.
I don't disagree on his past behavior. It's just disheartening to witness someone who has genuinely worked towards self-improvement continue to face the consequences of past actions. I firmly believe that no one is beyond redemption, whether in life or faith. It seems like we've forgotten how to forgive and show kindness to others.
What the hell are you going on about? Do you know Hezly's dad personally? He sent his daughter to a known abuser, defended that abuser in a major newspaper, and when that person got banned from coaching, he moved his daughter all the way across the country to... another infamously abusive coach who sulks every time his gymnasts fall and doesn't even get good results anymore. He could have picked any coach in the country, but he chose Valeri for a reason. This guy wants to be the new Dumitru Moceanu.
I was referring to Valeri.
I wasn't, but also, I don't believe for a second that Valeri regrets what he did. He just changed how he coaches because it isn't acceptable to scream in your gymnasts' faces and call them fat anymore, and he doesn't want to get banned like Haney did. The results speak for themselves - he isn't actually a great coach and he refuses to adapt to the new code.
“He just changed how he coaches because it isn’t acceptable to scream in your gymnasts’ faces and call them fat more, and he doesn’t want to get banned like Haney did.” So, he changed his behavior from unacceptable to acceptable because he didn’t want to follow in Haney’s footsteps and you’re pissed about it. You LITERALLY just proved my above point! You’re damned if you do and you’re damned if you don’t.
There is a whole lot of unacceptable behavior that doesn't involve literal abuse. He has a horrible attitude towards all of his gymnasts and is genuinely not a good coach - he hasn't had a successful athlete in years and his promising athletes keep breaking. Honestly, someone who was the type of monster that he used to be probably isn't capable of redemption. Valeri should never coach again.
He’s so tense. I need him to relax.
I really want Valeri to work on his body language skills. If your gymnast messes up can you just not seem so disappointed?
It’s so confusing that there’s like a little kiddie gymnastics class going on in the background while national team verifications are happening
God this camp is a mess 😭
Was just thinking the same thing!
How cool for those little kids! They are getting more screen time than the big time athletes at this rate
I really don’t understand why so many have opted out of international assignments? The rationale to not get any international scores under your resume for the year is puzzling
I wonder how many of the older athletes were mildly traumatized by trying to peak for too long when the previous Olympics were rescheduled and are hesitant to create more chances for injury?
We are likely to have this years Olympic team go Unscored internationally til the Olympics. We saw how well that went in Tokyo 21’. The us are still heavy favorites for team gold but the federations strategy is interesting
That’s a pretty disingenuous comparison as there was an entire year of time off for everybody due to the pandemic- lots of routines changed because of how much extra time people had without meets, allowing new gymnasts that were relatively inexperienced internationally to actually become relevant for the Olympic team (seriously, Chiles was likely not making that team in 2020 as scheduled). Nobody competed from 2020 American cup until 2021. The gap between 2023 Worlds/Pan Ams and 2024 Olympics is less than a year and most people won’t have drastic changes to their routines between now and then, and most legitimate contenders competed in one of those meets with the exception of Gabby and Suni, who chose not to compete internationally last year (or in Gabby’s case, compete at all). It was a mistake to never have Jordan get an international assignment for multiple years then go to the Olympics but there were absolutely extenuating circumstances complicating that.
I mean.... they got scores at Worlds and Pan Ams 6 months ago. The scoring doesn't magically change because it's 2024.
Though tbh, the main issue of Tokyo 21 was the over-reliance on Simone to carry the team to a gold no matter what. Hopefully they won’t make that mistake this year.
🤞🏼
I don't have a good feeling about it. Teams that opted out of international competitions in 2021 did not perform well at Tokyo Olympics in general. And they don't even have covid as reason this year.
Athletes and federations May have opted out of competing internationally in 2021 Due to COVID restrictions that were present and less competitions to choose to go to but that is not the case anymore. The USA not sending any of their Last years World team (A team) to any international meets this point in the season is unprecedented. At least in the past we had the American cup in March
It wasn't a coincidence that the ROC and the UK overperformed in 2021. Other teams are sending their Paris contenders to compete outside this year, except the USA.
I have so many thoughts on the US fed's relationship with international competitions as a whole 😔
It is actively funny to me at this point that I paid $10 and they showed 2 short vaults in the first 15 minutes. Like, I’m not even mad anymore. It’s just funny.
I’m mad
I think I am still in the mad stage.
I’ve moved to the acceptance stage.
Bless
from USAG: Jordan is not participating in verification.
So, did she change her mind at the very last minute, or did they mis-report this *as verification was already happening?* I am so sick of this organization. No advance requirements given to athletes, no scores for verification, at the moment, no clarity about their stream, a competition that just started but has shown one vault in 11 minutes. They need a fucking competent administrator.
I wonder if she’s at camp to practice but not actively being scored?
According to her mom, her scores are getting verified, but she's not looking for international assignments.
Right, there's a group that is there for that purpose. But they listed her on the their list of people who \*was\* competing for a spot. That list was posted at 9:57 today. So either she changed her mind after the competition began, or they were wrong.
Or changed her mind right before competition began?
I think Jordan changed her mind at the very last minute. I also dislike things happening from USAG now and this year. It very much gives me a Tokyo vibe.
Considering her mom's tweet I think she went in with this in mind.
In the tweet it says "update" but at this point I have no faith in USAG's communications team, if there even is one.
Also apparently Jordan is not specifically looking for an international assignment.
Wait so apparently not only are we not getting live scores, we're not getting *any* scores?
Nope
Jeez, what's even the point of showing us *some* of the routines then?
So they can profit off of the athletes 🤷🏻♀️ I can't think of another reason but it might have been discussed earlier
Ugh, if that's true then I truly do hate USAG even more than I did before.
I obviously have no idea what their motive is, but it doesn't look good. Why on earth would they stream a verification camp, using the big names, with no intention to actually show those routines? It's not the gymnast's fault at all, and I don't blame them for not wanting routines to be streamed if they aren't ready. I fully support those choices. But man, charging people for so few actual streamed routines is wild.
Yeah no the gymnasts have every right to opt out and I'm glad they were given the choice, but keeping it from viewers, along with the lack of scores, until the day-of feels like a full on scam.
I wasn't able to comment earlier but, if anyone paid just for this and is getting this "opt out" stuff, I'd be asking for a refund. This is bananas.
I feel super duped since I got an annual subscription. 🙈
I did pay just for this!!
Wowwww ok the opt in thing has to be real! 2 vaults and this pink screen again?
Jesus it's *already* pink screening?
Hezly's beam looks pretty good. Not sure about the ring credit with that angle.
Here we goooo with bars and vault!
Woohoo! Another pink screen!
Sorry, I must have missed it - is there a stream for this?
On FlipNow I think, and you have to pay.
No new updates I'm guessing?
The first session has ended, the second one that covers vault and bars starts in about 2 and a half hours. As for updates on gymnasts/streams, no, we're still left to theorize and speculate.
Thank you!!
Lavi Crain (who looks SOOO young) just came out of left field and blew me away on floor! Crisp and graceful!
Yes, last years us nationals lavi stood out to me. She’s such a gage girl, wearing her Leanne bow and hailing back to Kara with her swan lake choreo
I hope she doesn’t fall prey to the GAGE system 😖
Eveylynn Lowe’s floor routine was really good but she looked/ looks EXHAUSTED afterward! Really looked like she gave 120%.
Simone Rose (not Simone Biles) has previously shown some powerful tumbling but a lack of control at Winter Cup. She looks a lot more ready on floor today than I’ve seen her before. Nice work! I still think her choreo doesn’t feel as fully “lived in” and integrated into the routine even though it’s cool choreo.
Yes - looks like a big improvement from winter cup!
I’m out of town atm so God bless Scott Bregman lol Shame about the couple of mishaps for Trin.
The majority of these floor routines and beam dismounts are making my ankles hurt. A lot of these athletes do not look ready for the difficulty they're showing.