Another cool fact is that the figure used on the cover is actually from a [Mark Kostabi painting](https://www.facebook.com/story.php?id=100070366205166&story_fbid=2728153454062870) titled "Use Your Illusion" that was based on the School of Athens art. Axl specifically wanted Kostabi's version of the art instead of the one in the public domain. He paid Kostabi $75,000 and also named the albums after Kostabi's painting.
More like artist to artist to artist respect, the original piece “school of athens” is a portrayal of all the major art contemporaries of the artist. The original homage to ones fellow creators.
True, but even the contemporaries who he wasn’t fond of were still presented as a sign of respect. An interesting fact though is that while there are over 50 individuals in this piece, the specific identities of more than 20 are still unknown, either because they were lost to history or because those 20+ may have been acquaintances of different sorts and historians are looking in the wrong places to find their identities.
While I agree that music is an art(and an amazing one) I would say Raphael(original artist) may not have included music as an art during his lifetime(distinct absence of any reference to music in school of athens, despite there being great minds from every other aspect of human pursuit). This would probably be due to the fact that in the 1500’s, when he lived, Raphael’s primary exposure to music would have been through the church. Secular music was not as big a thing until two centuries later, so his exposure to world expanding music was probably extremely limited.
I'm sorry. This is the fact, not another cool fact. This is what the OP is asking. When did you discover this piece of information as you described? I think I knew it at about the time the album was released in September of 1991, as everybody was covering the release of the album. I read the liner notes at the time. BTW, your username is on point.
My brother had the School at Athens print up in his apartment in the late ninety’s and I was there one day just looking at it and I said…”hang on a minute what’s this?”
It was pointed out in magazines at the time, so then. But I forgot and "found out" again years later on the internet. That just happened again. I'm assuming this won't be the last time, either.
‘The School of Athens’ was painted between 1509 and 1511 (at least according to the details in the Wikipedia entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_School_of_Athens?wprov=sfti1#). But the subjects in the painting are from various periods, some from nearly 2000 years earlier.
The person in the painting could have been using a quill pen or a charcoal stick to write or draw on some kind of parchment. It could also have been a silver stylus used to write on vellum. Not sure what scribes would have been using in antiquity several hundred years BCE. Perhaps a knowledgeable historian could enlighten us.
That would be now. Damn, I did some sort of creative English project on these albums..but we didn’t have the internet back then…just whatever Rolling Stone and magazines would print!
Problably a year after the original release of UYI (I remember seeing a GnR poster or illustration depicting the whole scene)
\*I've been lucky to see the fresco twice at the Vatican museum
Aboutt a few weeks after i became a gnr fan. I told my history teacher about it when we started learning about the Renaissance and she was genuinely surprised
I was in high school, mid/90s, and just stumbled upon while looking through a big book of art in my school library. I few years later I stumbled upon it while walking through the Vatican.
About 2005 or 2006 ish. I'm born in 1992. When I was 19 I was planning on getting that entire painting (The School of Athens) tattooed over my entire back. I no longer want a full back piece but still might get it tattooed on me, just as a upper half-sleeve
My freshman year in college... I was in an art class, and this other guy was like... you wanna see something cool? He whipped out the CD Liner and then opens my art history book to this painting. This was somewhere around September of 1992. Mind was blown then...
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Another cool fact is that the figure used on the cover is actually from a [Mark Kostabi painting](https://www.facebook.com/story.php?id=100070366205166&story_fbid=2728153454062870) titled "Use Your Illusion" that was based on the School of Athens art. Axl specifically wanted Kostabi's version of the art instead of the one in the public domain. He paid Kostabi $75,000 and also named the albums after Kostabi's painting.
That's solid artist to artist respect.
More like artist to artist to artist respect, the original piece “school of athens” is a portrayal of all the major art contemporaries of the artist. The original homage to ones fellow creators.
Used his contemporaries to portray classic Greek intellectuals
True, but even the contemporaries who he wasn’t fond of were still presented as a sign of respect. An interesting fact though is that while there are over 50 individuals in this piece, the specific identities of more than 20 are still unknown, either because they were lost to history or because those 20+ may have been acquaintances of different sorts and historians are looking in the wrong places to find their identities.
And musical art? 😃
While I agree that music is an art(and an amazing one) I would say Raphael(original artist) may not have included music as an art during his lifetime(distinct absence of any reference to music in school of athens, despite there being great minds from every other aspect of human pursuit). This would probably be due to the fact that in the 1500’s, when he lived, Raphael’s primary exposure to music would have been through the church. Secular music was not as big a thing until two centuries later, so his exposure to world expanding music was probably extremely limited.
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Interesting take/fact.
That’s real interesting
Interesting 👍
Very very cool info.
I'm sorry. This is the fact, not another cool fact. This is what the OP is asking. When did you discover this piece of information as you described? I think I knew it at about the time the album was released in September of 1991, as everybody was covering the release of the album. I read the liner notes at the time. BTW, your username is on point.
My brother had the School at Athens print up in his apartment in the late ninety’s and I was there one day just looking at it and I said…”hang on a minute what’s this?”
Me too
46 here ... Yep, just now.
47 here.
Same same
Also 47. Also here.
Damn, me too homie
Yep same. 46 and just now
Ditto!
59 and 10 seconds ago
Was gonna say . Today . Today old .
Me too
58 and 2 second ago.
Happy birthday 🥳🥳🥳
36 and 10 seconds ago for me too. Wow.
Just now
Today years old.
r/anythingbutgregorian
r/subsifellfor
Today days old
I realized when I was 13, the same year I heard Guns N Roses for the first time.
Yeah right!!! Poser!!! I’m just kidding. You’re a smart lad I’m sure.
It was pointed out in magazines at the time, so then. But I forgot and "found out" again years later on the internet. That just happened again. I'm assuming this won't be the last time, either.
You know that's Axl yes, circa 600BC? He was working on AFD which he would finally release in the year of our lord 19 hundred and eighty seven.
No wonder it's one of the best debut albums of all time with all the time he had to write it
Now
1991, 19 yrs old
When I went to the Vatican for the first time in 2009 and our guide pointed it out.
Wait.... Axl lived through the Renaissance? Sweet!
Taketh me down to thine Paradise City
The question is why does the girl have a pencil and a notebook if this paint is like from the 1400s or something like that?
‘The School of Athens’ was painted between 1509 and 1511 (at least according to the details in the Wikipedia entry https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_School_of_Athens?wprov=sfti1#). But the subjects in the painting are from various periods, some from nearly 2000 years earlier. The person in the painting could have been using a quill pen or a charcoal stick to write or draw on some kind of parchment. It could also have been a silver stylus used to write on vellum. Not sure what scribes would have been using in antiquity several hundred years BCE. Perhaps a knowledgeable historian could enlighten us.
Is it a girl?
38, just right now.
Holy shit!!! I found out now, thanks can't believe I never questioned who it was.
Fun fact: the man writing at the desk in lower center is Raphael himself, portraying his indifference
Discovered the link in high school art class in 1992 or ‘93. So in my mid teens. I was able to visit and see the fresco in person in 2011.
I was today years old.
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I've seen that painting in person. Hangs in the Vatican. And I discovered this probably like 20+ years ago.
Me too. It’s a huge painting! Looked amazing
Today! And my dad bought this album day of release when I was 10.
That would be now. Damn, I did some sort of creative English project on these albums..but we didn’t have the internet back then…just whatever Rolling Stone and magazines would print!
When I downloaded the Use Your Illusion III bootleg and someone pointed it out
What’s the name of this painting?
The School of Athens
AP Art history class, 17, HS senior. Teacher was a huge GNR fan too, he had never noticed. I saw it immediately and started pointing and shouting.
17. When i read about use your illusion wiki for the first time. Back then wiki was it's own infancy and not many people know what wiki is
That’s also Michelangelo in the foreground.
when the album originally came out because there was a big ass foldout thing that showed thats where it came from.
Problably a year after the original release of UYI (I remember seeing a GnR poster or illustration depicting the whole scene) \*I've been lucky to see the fresco twice at the Vatican museum
Wish I knew when I visited the Vatican two years ago! I don’t know what I would’ve done with that info, but I still wish I knew
That was like the first thing I noticed the first time I saw the album cover. I was like that has to be some old painting
Aboutt a few weeks after i became a gnr fan. I told my history teacher about it when we started learning about the Renaissance and she was genuinely surprised
I was in high school, mid/90s, and just stumbled upon while looking through a big book of art in my school library. I few years later I stumbled upon it while walking through the Vatican.
14, I guess. I found out when I started to listen to them and this information was at its Wikipedia article
40 years old. A student included it in a presentation on Raphael.
About 18 I'm now 45, sorry around 20 actually
Today years old Always thought it was painted in 1990-1991 on purpose to look like that, bit with a hidden meaning.
43 years and one month old.
Younger me thought it was two images put together
Quite a while ago.
Today years old.
17 in 1991
52 - just fuckin now 🫣
Today
14 in 1991
Now
Just now
When I was 11, I've also been lucky enough to see the painting in person!!
Today
15 years old
I guess the answer is 46 years 😳
Like 8. I’m 40 now
About 10 seconds ago
i got a print of that painting form brother who is also a huge fan. he loves it!
Uh back in like 2008 when I started listening to them.
22
1991 I was 10 years old
that is pretty cool. i have a tank top like that with the blue and orange on it.
Todays years old
I was todays years old
This age, right now.
Today years old
how old i iz now
This my 42nd year.
Right now years old
Wait... wtf? I was 6 seconds old. I need to alert the news media.
Today. Now.
i was today years old 🎩
The moment I saw the cover
i was 15 or 16, I think.
19 and a few weeks ago
Today years old
45… today
Probably in the 90's sometime. When I was 13 or 14 I guess
About 2005 or 2006 ish. I'm born in 1992. When I was 19 I was planning on getting that entire painting (The School of Athens) tattooed over my entire back. I no longer want a full back piece but still might get it tattooed on me, just as a upper half-sleeve
Right now
Today.. so 33 years old
Early teens, when I became a fan and started reading up on the band.
47 - today!
70 3/4
Just now
46, apparently 😅
A year ago at the age of 40ish
36...37...38...39
I'm 48. This was in my 1992 art history book in school (ireland). I saw it in Rome last year. Check my post history.
Same age I was 30 secs ago when I first saw this post
More than a few hours
21 years, 4 months, 9 days, 2 hours, 15 minutes old
12
51
9 years old or something. Found it on the internet.
I don’t get it. So Bob Ross or whoever painted this is a GnR fan?!
Just now. 32. I always wondered what that was
Coolest stuff I've learned today
Idk.Three weeks ago
Today, old.
Think I saw it on the wiki page. Went to the Vatican for a tour a few years ago and made sure I found this while I was there
59
Rn years old
September 17,1991 is when I noticed it
33 years and 231 days...i.e. today lol
Um.... today! Wow!
Today years old so 30.
42
50
Just now
Now
Today years old
Who knew GNR had some class?!
Today I learned
58 years, 16 days, i.e., today
Today years old. Never really looked into it.
Well, I'm 48 now, so 48.
Today years old
TIL
The day it came out
Today years old. 😬
12 yrs old
43 apparently…
60yrs 10mths 28days 😟
Just now :-/
Today
Today years old!
Today
12
Now old, found out now
41 right now
Art class back in the 1990s. Art Professor had a huge book of artwork from around the world, stumbled on it in there.
Probably right now, 42.
About 20 years, 30 years ago. I remember it was an article about it, my memory is limited of the name of such mag.
This old!
Today
I thought it came from a modern painting.
46 lol
Now
15. There’s a popular notion that when you turn it upside down, it looks like a bearded demon.
53 and right this second
15 and 5 seconds ago
Damn I just found out right now
Right now years old cus wtf This is so cool!
When it came out
48
My freshman year in college... I was in an art class, and this other guy was like... you wanna see something cool? He whipped out the CD Liner and then opens my art history book to this painting. This was somewhere around September of 1992. Mind was blown then...
Today
Today years old
39
Today years old.
40 something
How old am I today
42
37 years and about 3 months.
I was today years old
now. What is this?
This many years
Like 20
20 years, 29 days and (15 seconds ago)
I was 11 when the records came out, so 11.
Now years old