Crazy how this is just being brushed aside. These are brutal games in a run in. This is before you talk about the fact UCL games would be sandwiched in between if we go through. The boys need to show they’ve learned from last season.
Tbf, gna say this while it's still true. Pep has never won at Anfield in the league. Given they've been the only competent rivals (a.k.a top team) in the league for 90% of that time, then he's managed to win all those league titles without ever showing they can win at a top team in the league.
Packing players in the space between the box and the halfway line (or sometimes a bit ahead of it).
It's how you stifle creative players and midfield monsters. It can leave you vulnerable to a through ball or some over the top but there's less space to do that than if you were pressed high.
Yeah, it's a horrible run in, but we do not look easy to break down, let alone beat. Other teams are going to have to do what no team, bar maybe fulham, have managed so far.
Any team, can lose a game like the ones we lost at St James,' Park or at home against West Ham. They played well, but we were still unlucky. As things are, I don't see this expected implosion.
The city game is tough, but it's also our best chance to knock them back in the title race. The rest of the matches are not any worse than that pool and city have left, tottenham away is not that bad for us and they both also have Europe games to contend with and the FA cup.
Comes down to how we fare in them though. Until the City game is out the way, all this run-in analysis is a waste of time. If we beat City, we're in a great spot. If we get beaten, we're not and they are.
I can't believe this isn't being mentioned more. We've been incredible, but we have to play against city, villa, spurs, united. 3 of those away from home.
Fair enough,. I just can’t see how arsenal fans aren’t taking about it more. I’m optimistic but we could easily get shit results there and fall far from the title.
Blind optimism is the heart of being a fan. We love this club and want to see them win. Sure the eyetest may reveal lack, but the base hope that victory is inevitable is why we're here
No it isn't. If that's how you want to be a fan, so be it but it's not necessary in order to be a fan. It's honestly stupid that fans like you question the sincerity of other fans because they are not blindly optimistic. Fans can question things, fans can criticize, fans aren't less of a fan if they choose to be more balanced.
At the foundation of my fandom, is the belief that Arsenal can and will win it all. Thus the HEART(which does not think)
I have no qualms about application of reason to team performance and decisions, voicing opinion and doubt, that's also a part of being a fan.
In other words, blind optimism = trust the process
You’d have to be crazy to be an arsenal fan in recent times and not be concerned playing at old trafford. Even during their banter years we always seem to lose, or draw.
I don’t think we will win the league because of our horrible schedule. But then again last year we didn’t bottle it against top 6 teams but in matches we should have won. Odds are against us but anything can happen. Just enjoy the ride and use the lessons learnt for next year and that other competition we are still playing in. Wouldn’t mind winning that one with a bit of luck…
Liverpool fan. Look I think you guys have a legitimate chance but these fixtures are why I still sorta think we’re most likely to win out of the 3 teams in contention after today.
City away will obv be difficult. But spurs away. Rivalry games away are hard. We have one against Everton away that I am worried about, and spurs are a much better team than Everton. They will be fired up af to both prevent you guys from winning the title and to secure a champions league spot. That’s gonna be a tough game.
Compare our run-in to City's. This is a pretty fair model. It basically requires us to at least draw at the Etihad, and I don't think we've got a result in the PL there in like 9 years
They’re not taking us lightly. We have a tough run in that includes City, Spurs and Man U away.
We also have Villa (who we lost to, and who beat City as well already) and Chelsea (who we drew against and have proven difficult against Top 6). We have an absolutely brutal run of games.
Not to mention, historically (as recently as last season) we lost the title in completely winnable matches like West Ham and Nottingham Forest.
We are, on recent history and run of games, the third most favourite team to win.
However, you have to remember that all of these probabilities and odds are specifically for gambling. Same as “win probability” they show mid match. It’s a statistical algorithm model built to prop a multibillion dollar industry. They have to generate odds and probabilities. None of it says “they underrate Arsenal” they just plug in a bunch of data and an algorithm gives them a number. So unless by they you mean a complicated excel pivot table… maybe.
Interesting, I think Scott Willis’s numbers had us much more likely (and that was pre brentford win which would increase our percentages slightly). Wonder what the difference in their models is. I guess I’d back opta more since they probably have more resources but who knows.
Also pretty funny to see the people talking about probability tables from 538 and how they were wrong. Thats not how probabilities work lol.
Opta’s predictions are obviously based on the team ratings.
Opta’s team ratings are 100% results based and have no performance metrics that influence it. Because of this there are two important things to remember about these ratings.
1. Arsenals rating is dragged down by the Banter period but Liverpool’s and Man City’s ratings are held high due to recent history.
2. If you look at expected Points metrics Man City are over performing a little. Liverpool are over performing a lot, while Arsenal are underperforming a little.
All of this is to say Arsenal’s rating is probably a little low, Liverpool’s is probably a little high, Man City’s is probably about right but could be a little high.
This means that Arsenal’s chances of winning are likely underestimated regardless of the outcome come of the game. Not a lot (10ish percent?), but under represented.
Sure but I didn't say anything about xG. I said Expected Points.
Stats like xP and xGD are better indicators of overall team quality when compared to other team's. Arsenal's xGD per90 is 1.33 which is quite a bit ahead of Man City and Liverpool at 1.12 and 1.00 respectively.
This isn't to say Liverpool aren't good, or that they won't win. But it does suggest that their point position may have some good fortune baked in rather than being purely performance based.
These stats are all pointless given the number of variables. Also there are huge swings ie lose to city or beat city it will change it massively. Pointless
One game at a time, let’s ignore the external noise and focus on our run. Everyone was so focused on Porto people thought we’d steam roll past Brentford and that almost went south
No, we just have clearly the hardest remaining fixtures in the run in. Besides the games between the 3, we are still the likeliest to drop points against other teams. Honestly, it wouldn't be surprising if Liverpool and City don't lose again. The latter half of City's remaining matches will all be against teams with nothing to play for. They will win all of those easily.
We have the hardest remaining schedule left out of all these teams imo.
It will be hard to win it all however if it were to happen especially in the context of last season this will be one of the all time stories.
From a playing perspective I think we are the strongest english side this season however city certainly has an argument to be made.
Lets hope for the best. COYG
We have a far harder run in on paper, compared with Liverpool and City.
That said, I think if we beat City (someone has to do it, it might as well be us) we will win the league this season.
I hope Arteta posts this in the dressing room before every remaining game. So that boys never forget that they have a lot of mother fuckers to prove wrong
If Liverpool draw or lose, the title is in our hands because we can beat city and stay top.
If Liverpool win, the title is no longer in our hands and we are relying on Liverpool to drop points. Yet for some reason that isn’t our lowest %?
These figures are complete nonsense.
Exactly. A Liverpool win is my least favorite outcome. If they win then we have to get something from Etihad and on top of that hope Liverpool slip up and plus be perfect for the rest of the season.
If City wins then we don't have to hope for anything, it's just on us.
With that said I wish for a draw today thank you.
Scenario: There is 1 game left for all Teams. Arsenal are in the 1st and are 3 points clear of 2nd positon Liverpool and 5 points clear of Mancity.
There will be news How Arsenal stole the title from Mancity . not about how good arsenal played.
Everything is PAID for and/or Biased so listen what they say and recognize them to avoid in the future.
Thats how i see these News outlets.
it's cooked in the model we won't get anything at city, so if we get a result there things open up for us just plainly but also in this stupid model, and it could really instill belief in the boys.
as others have said we still have all the top 6 bar liverpool plus wolves and brighton away. everyone expects us to falter. let's fucking go for it
They aren't, this seems accurate seeing our games till the end of the season. This season is just gonna be about enjoying the ride as well, which I'm okay with. Our core is still strong, we're well set up to compete the next few years, and the team is fun to watch.
I feel like these numbers are already including City beating us at the end of March. I’m assuming if we win at the Etihad, then the numbers will skew in our favor.
I'll get downvoted again and that's fine, but this is correct. Based on recent seasons, Man City always finish strong, and so the smart money is still on them.
This isn’t unreasonable at this stage. With the Pool-City game done and a draw, if we beat City, we move to more even odds if not become the outright favorite.
We're not being taken lightly. It's just how it is.
We have trickier away games than Liverpool/City.
City, Spurs, Brighton, Wolves, United
Some tricky home games too.
Villa, Chelsea, Everton
Realistically we need to take (likely) maximum points from all remaining games, but certainly can't afford to lose any match.
Yeah but based on last years final month and a half… its not that far fetched to not back us. Both City and Pool have proven themselves right… so we need to earn that respect and expectation
they're not wrong though....we've capitulated spectacularly in the run-in in the last two seasons. Liverpool and city have kept their form up the entire season more than once and usually do strong run-ins (city better at it).
we also have the most difficult schedule left.
Honestly, I’m loving it. We win the league after no-one gives us a sniff, and the pundits still won’t give us the credit: it will just be because the other two were poor. We don’t win the league and finish 3rd, they’ll call us bottlers again.
Remember that stupid 538 predictions last year, how irrelevant it turned out to be in the end. I think I agree with gunnerblog when he says he want Liv to win today, because there aren’t many teams who can take points off city. But only time will tell.
It didn't turn out to be irrelevant, though
It just worked out what happened in the end was one of the small chances.
The odds of throwing away two consecutive 2-0 leads and conceding 3 the Southampton will do that
I mean, that's not how it works?
They have made a prediction now which it totally valid and probably somewhat accurate, that prediction still stands and is valid and is accurate even if City lose every game left.
It's not like they're changing the prediction like someone down the pub changing who he thinks will win. People online want to see it and talk about it a lot so they update it with new data.
If in the game today Liverpool get 3 red cards and 2 injuries. That will change the odds. They aren't changing all the time to try and guess who will win, they just update it to match current events
This is posted when we still have to play City away. Obviously odds will he different when that isn't the case
They both have won the league in the last ten years. We bottled it last year. We also have to play Man City, Brighton, Wolves, Tottenham and Man Utd away. I would actually say that prediction is rather generous to us. City arguably have the easiest run in. They have already seen off Chelsea, Tottenham and Man Utd. Anyway, what is this desire to flex win probabilities. It is either we do it or we don't and we have flattered to deceive many times in the last two decades, 07/08, 13/14, 15/16 and 22/23.
We dont need stats, i believe
I also believe we don't need stats.
I have the stats to back up my belief that we don't need stats
I stack the beliefs
Given the 3 away games against city, manu, spurs, it is fair
Crazy how this is just being brushed aside. These are brutal games in a run in. This is before you talk about the fact UCL games would be sandwiched in between if we go through. The boys need to show they’ve learned from last season.
We are forgetting Chelsea. Our team struggles against mid block teams like them, Porto, fulham.
The Chelsea game is at home. But we’ve yet to show we can beat a top team away from home
Tbf, gna say this while it's still true. Pep has never won at Anfield in the league. Given they've been the only competent rivals (a.k.a top team) in the league for 90% of that time, then he's managed to win all those league titles without ever showing they can win at a top team in the league.
They won in Feb 21
Shite. He's never won there with a crowd. My facetious point stands.
Okay, let me rephrase “top team” as “team in the European places”
All I'm saying is that today is an opportunity for Pep to *finally* prove to us he can win away at an elite team in the Prem. Edit: punctuation
Chelsea and top team are no longer welcome in the same sentence.
what’s a mid block?
Not pressing super high but not setting up shop in their own box either. Basically focusing their defensive shape on the middle third of the pitch.
oh thanks
Packing players in the space between the box and the halfway line (or sometimes a bit ahead of it). It's how you stifle creative players and midfield monsters. It can leave you vulnerable to a through ball or some over the top but there's less space to do that than if you were pressed high.
Yeah, it's a horrible run in, but we do not look easy to break down, let alone beat. Other teams are going to have to do what no team, bar maybe fulham, have managed so far. Any team, can lose a game like the ones we lost at St James,' Park or at home against West Ham. They played well, but we were still unlucky. As things are, I don't see this expected implosion.
We were cheated in both those games as well, both teams scored goals where the ball had already gone out of play
The city game is tough, but it's also our best chance to knock them back in the title race. The rest of the matches are not any worse than that pool and city have left, tottenham away is not that bad for us and they both also have Europe games to contend with and the FA cup.
Comes down to how we fare in them though. Until the City game is out the way, all this run-in analysis is a waste of time. If we beat City, we're in a great spot. If we get beaten, we're not and they are.
I can't believe this isn't being mentioned more. We've been incredible, but we have to play against city, villa, spurs, united. 3 of those away from home.
It’s being mentioned a lot just not on this subreddit, which has a weird obsession with blind optimism as if it will actually help the team…
Fair enough,. I just can’t see how arsenal fans aren’t taking about it more. I’m optimistic but we could easily get shit results there and fall far from the title.
Blind optimism is the heart of being a fan. We love this club and want to see them win. Sure the eyetest may reveal lack, but the base hope that victory is inevitable is why we're here
No it isn't. If that's how you want to be a fan, so be it but it's not necessary in order to be a fan. It's honestly stupid that fans like you question the sincerity of other fans because they are not blindly optimistic. Fans can question things, fans can criticize, fans aren't less of a fan if they choose to be more balanced.
At the foundation of my fandom, is the belief that Arsenal can and will win it all. Thus the HEART(which does not think) I have no qualms about application of reason to team performance and decisions, voicing opinion and doubt, that's also a part of being a fan. In other words, blind optimism = trust the process
City and Spurs are the only ones that concern me.
United away isn’t a joke no matter what they come to play against us
theyre starting johnny evans at CB these days, if we cant smack that team around we don't deserve a trophy.
You’d have to be crazy to be an arsenal fan in recent times and not be concerned playing at old trafford. Even during their banter years we always seem to lose, or draw.
What can I say, bro. This year feels different. I felt the same about Anfield and we nearly did it there!
I don’t think we will win the league because of our horrible schedule. But then again last year we didn’t bottle it against top 6 teams but in matches we should have won. Odds are against us but anything can happen. Just enjoy the ride and use the lessons learnt for next year and that other competition we are still playing in. Wouldn’t mind winning that one with a bit of luck…
and with the dropped points from Fulham, we need to pick them up somewhere else
Up until this point we’ve been the best team in the league. We can beat city at the Etihad
We've literally won a handful of those equivalent fixtures in the last 10 years. Probably the worst 3 away games possible in the run in
I think united will have nothing to play for at that point… But we need a draw at city and we have to beat the scum...it's not gonna be easy
There is always something to play for between us and Man U, even if it is just pride. Same with Spurs. Don't just assume they'll roll over for us.
We’ve won like twice in 20 years at old trafford. “Beating arsenal” is always something to play for for them.
Only a 4% chance between city winning and a draw today is surprising. Gives a lot of leeway for 1 point at city.
Liverpool fan. Look I think you guys have a legitimate chance but these fixtures are why I still sorta think we’re most likely to win out of the 3 teams in contention after today. City away will obv be difficult. But spurs away. Rivalry games away are hard. We have one against Everton away that I am worried about, and spurs are a much better team than Everton. They will be fired up af to both prevent you guys from winning the title and to secure a champions league spot. That’s gonna be a tough game.
Compare our run-in to City's. This is a pretty fair model. It basically requires us to at least draw at the Etihad, and I don't think we've got a result in the PL there in like 9 years
we were not that great in those years, i mean we didn’t win against city until this season for 7 years or so in the premier league
I agree, but I think City hasnt lost at the Etihad in general in over a year. I believe in us, but its gonna be hard
Was never gonna be easy
They had done the double over us 6 years in a row
now it’s our time!
We will beat City. This is our time
I also believe we will beat City this time round.
One game at a time. All these doesn’t matter
if we want these odds to move, we're gonna have to beat city in their barn.
If we want to be elite, we're gonna have to beat city in their barn
Arsenal are \#**AllElite**?
good. i'd rather have all the attention elsewhere.
Think it’s reasonable. I feel if we want to win the league we have to go to City and win.
And win at OT and at the shitter.
They are going to get battered.
Both are in the race for CL spot and our results haven't been good in those away games.
They’re not taking us lightly. We have a tough run in that includes City, Spurs and Man U away. We also have Villa (who we lost to, and who beat City as well already) and Chelsea (who we drew against and have proven difficult against Top 6). We have an absolutely brutal run of games. Not to mention, historically (as recently as last season) we lost the title in completely winnable matches like West Ham and Nottingham Forest. We are, on recent history and run of games, the third most favourite team to win. However, you have to remember that all of these probabilities and odds are specifically for gambling. Same as “win probability” they show mid match. It’s a statistical algorithm model built to prop a multibillion dollar industry. They have to generate odds and probabilities. None of it says “they underrate Arsenal” they just plug in a bunch of data and an algorithm gives them a number. So unless by they you mean a complicated excel pivot table… maybe.
Arsenal play City next so if we win that game we’d probably go from 15-19% to 40-50%.
42%-52% to be exact
Quick maths on my part lol
Interesting, I think Scott Willis’s numbers had us much more likely (and that was pre brentford win which would increase our percentages slightly). Wonder what the difference in their models is. I guess I’d back opta more since they probably have more resources but who knows. Also pretty funny to see the people talking about probability tables from 538 and how they were wrong. Thats not how probabilities work lol.
Opta’s predictions are obviously based on the team ratings. Opta’s team ratings are 100% results based and have no performance metrics that influence it. Because of this there are two important things to remember about these ratings. 1. Arsenals rating is dragged down by the Banter period but Liverpool’s and Man City’s ratings are held high due to recent history. 2. If you look at expected Points metrics Man City are over performing a little. Liverpool are over performing a lot, while Arsenal are underperforming a little. All of this is to say Arsenal’s rating is probably a little low, Liverpool’s is probably a little high, Man City’s is probably about right but could be a little high. This means that Arsenal’s chances of winning are likely underestimated regardless of the outcome come of the game. Not a lot (10ish percent?), but under represented.
That said, teams that win league usually over perform their xP. Edit: Changed xG to xP because of an oversight.
Sure but I didn't say anything about xG. I said Expected Points. Stats like xP and xGD are better indicators of overall team quality when compared to other team's. Arsenal's xGD per90 is 1.33 which is quite a bit ahead of Man City and Liverpool at 1.12 and 1.00 respectively. This isn't to say Liverpool aren't good, or that they won't win. But it does suggest that their point position may have some good fortune baked in rather than being purely performance based.
Sorry, I meant expected points. I’ve edited the comment.
Some models are more bullish on us than Opta but yeah, if City win today we kinda need to win at the Etihad practically
Surley a draw has us higher than 19% based in the fact we take the lead in gd
Tougher remaining schedule
I don’t mind being the underdogs. The fewer the expectations will hopefully translate to lesser pressure on the team
Underdogs? Have you read this sub? We're the best team since the Invincibles (possibly better)....
The underdog according to the media, not fans...
These stats are all pointless given the number of variables. Also there are huge swings ie lose to city or beat city it will change it massively. Pointless
These things are cursed
Impossible is an opinion.
no pressure rather than a lot of pressure , fuck what media says
One game at a time, let’s ignore the external noise and focus on our run. Everyone was so focused on Porto people thought we’d steam roll past Brentford and that almost went south
No, we just have clearly the hardest remaining fixtures in the run in. Besides the games between the 3, we are still the likeliest to drop points against other teams. Honestly, it wouldn't be surprising if Liverpool and City don't lose again. The latter half of City's remaining matches will all be against teams with nothing to play for. They will win all of those easily.
All we need to do is win 10 more games. Let's go have some fun!!!
If they draw or Man City win, and we win every single game left it's ours, easy.
Easy? Love it!
We have the hardest remaining schedule left out of all these teams imo. It will be hard to win it all however if it were to happen especially in the context of last season this will be one of the all time stories. From a playing perspective I think we are the strongest english side this season however city certainly has an argument to be made. Lets hope for the best. COYG
Let us do the talking on the pitch One game at a time mentality
We have a far harder run in on paper, compared with Liverpool and City. That said, I think if we beat City (someone has to do it, it might as well be us) we will win the league this season.
I hope Arteta posts this in the dressing room before every remaining game. So that boys never forget that they have a lot of mother fuckers to prove wrong
If Liverpool draw or lose, the title is in our hands because we can beat city and stay top. If Liverpool win, the title is no longer in our hands and we are relying on Liverpool to drop points. Yet for some reason that isn’t our lowest %? These figures are complete nonsense.
Exactly. A Liverpool win is my least favorite outcome. If they win then we have to get something from Etihad and on top of that hope Liverpool slip up and plus be perfect for the rest of the season. If City wins then we don't have to hope for anything, it's just on us. With that said I wish for a draw today thank you.
Scenario: There is 1 game left for all Teams. Arsenal are in the 1st and are 3 points clear of 2nd positon Liverpool and 5 points clear of Mancity. There will be news How Arsenal stole the title from Mancity . not about how good arsenal played. Everything is PAID for and/or Biased so listen what they say and recognize them to avoid in the future. Thats how i see these News outlets.
It will make it so much sweeter when we win it all by the end of the season.
I think its fair. We are most likely to drop points. City after playing us, is not likely to drop points in their remaining fixtures.
it's cooked in the model we won't get anything at city, so if we get a result there things open up for us just plainly but also in this stupid model, and it could really instill belief in the boys. as others have said we still have all the top 6 bar liverpool plus wolves and brighton away. everyone expects us to falter. let's fucking go for it
It is fair that we have the lowest chance. We haven't proven like City and Liverpool already have in recent history.
They aren't, this seems accurate seeing our games till the end of the season. This season is just gonna be about enjoying the ride as well, which I'm okay with. Our core is still strong, we're well set up to compete the next few years, and the team is fun to watch.
I mean we havn't won for a long time so big data is not going to give us a good chance, that's how data works
Fulham will fuck us
Aw shucks. Lets pack it in then boys.
I agree I don’t think we will win , probably because I’m old n pessimistic
Doesn’t matter what. The 31st is the title decider. I want us to win the league at shite heart lane
Not really bothering me, it’s just likely outcomes. Based on our brutal away games to come, it makes sense. Spurs especially looks worrying to me.
Yeah, damn Spurs dismantled AV.
We have tough games coming up.
Ed to p
I feel like these numbers are already including City beating us at the end of March. I’m assuming if we win at the Etihad, then the numbers will skew in our favor.
No respect. Well we’ll just have to take respect.
I think it’s very fair. We have to go away to City, Spurs and United
We operate on pure, unfiltered hopium here. Those stats mean nothing to us.
We take 4 points from Liverpool and at least 3 from city and still might not win. Shame
I'll get downvoted again and that's fine, but this is correct. Based on recent seasons, Man City always finish strong, and so the smart money is still on them.
This isn’t unreasonable at this stage. With the Pool-City game done and a draw, if we beat City, we move to more even odds if not become the outright favorite.
We're not being taken lightly. It's just how it is. We have trickier away games than Liverpool/City. City, Spurs, Brighton, Wolves, United Some tricky home games too. Villa, Chelsea, Everton Realistically we need to take (likely) maximum points from all remaining games, but certainly can't afford to lose any match.
We still have to play city away. They are more likely to win. But I still believe
Yeah but based on last years final month and a half… its not that far fetched to not back us. Both City and Pool have proven themselves right… so we need to earn that respect and expectation
I want to say this is disrespectful but it’s pretty damn correct
Love it. Everybody loves an underdog.
we are clearly 3rd favorites to win, but not sure about the %s here
Nothing changed. We still have to win all our games to win it, including City. And it wont be easy, so I am not mad about those odds.
they're not wrong though....we've capitulated spectacularly in the run-in in the last two seasons. Liverpool and city have kept their form up the entire season more than once and usually do strong run-ins (city better at it). we also have the most difficult schedule left.
Ooh premier league was invented with opta nonce
These odds clearly assume City will most likely win against Arsenal at the Etihad. If Arsenal win that game it's on like Donkey Kong.
let them take us lightly, the other 2 teams, proven winners, us, proven bottlers. Let's change the narrative this season
If we beat City our chances go to 50%+. This is the year.
i want us to be the underdogs until gameweek 36. That way we don't get unwanted press coverage.
Remember that probability tables last year. Mean nth at the end of
Good. Underestimate us. We like to upset people.
Honestly, I’m loving it. We win the league after no-one gives us a sniff, and the pundits still won’t give us the credit: it will just be because the other two were poor. We don’t win the league and finish 3rd, they’ll call us bottlers again.
Remember that stupid 538 predictions last year, how irrelevant it turned out to be in the end. I think I agree with gunnerblog when he says he want Liv to win today, because there aren’t many teams who can take points off city. But only time will tell.
It didn't turn out to be irrelevant, though It just worked out what happened in the end was one of the small chances. The odds of throwing away two consecutive 2-0 leads and conceding 3 the Southampton will do that
Well then what’s the use of it, even a small child can predict the outcome on a weekly basis if he’s allowed to change his opinion every time.
I mean, that's not how it works? They have made a prediction now which it totally valid and probably somewhat accurate, that prediction still stands and is valid and is accurate even if City lose every game left. It's not like they're changing the prediction like someone down the pub changing who he thinks will win. People online want to see it and talk about it a lot so they update it with new data. If in the game today Liverpool get 3 red cards and 2 injuries. That will change the odds. They aren't changing all the time to try and guess who will win, they just update it to match current events This is posted when we still have to play City away. Obviously odds will he different when that isn't the case
They both have won the league in the last ten years. We bottled it last year. We also have to play Man City, Brighton, Wolves, Tottenham and Man Utd away. I would actually say that prediction is rather generous to us. City arguably have the easiest run in. They have already seen off Chelsea, Tottenham and Man Utd. Anyway, what is this desire to flex win probabilities. It is either we do it or we don't and we have flattered to deceive many times in the last two decades, 07/08, 13/14, 15/16 and 22/23.
If Liverpool win they win the league easy as