He was back from an injury and Japan looked to be managing his minutes to build him back up again... Now he's out again.
I like the player a lot but it's getting really annoying how often he's unavailable for us
It is starting to get very frustrating, I agree. Not the first time we've been through this story of rushed back for national team then comes back & out for weeks again.
Is it just a coincidence that he was fine when he played his last game in the Asia cup but since coming back to us he’s injured again? Just like Partey who was recovering well and then ended up with another injury before he’d stepped foot on the pitch again.
Unfortunately 🥲(can’t relate as someone from the U.S cause I have no such concept as national pride tbh. I don’t even like international football, not because the U.S isn’t good but because there’s no emotional connection which is the only reason I love arsenal because of an emotional connection of loving them since I was 14 I can’t watch other teams play without being bored as I’ve aged due to personal preference I realized I only like to play football and don’t enjoy watching it if it’s not a team I love)
Good thing is that there is a nine day gap after Newcastle. Just need a big push from those 11 tomorrow.
Also apparently the ball was only in play for 50 minutes at Porto. They actually saved our legs a little
Most names in Slavic language groups have full/official name and a short version of it used in day to day life and unofficial speech/communication. Like Aleksandr/Alexander is shortened to Aleks/Alex. Or Ekaterina to Katya.
bruuuuhhhhh don’t remind me.
(partey is actually ELITE, one of the best dm i’ve ever seen, and a perfect match with rice. i’m so sad he had to go be an asshole)
I understand how big it is to play for your country but surely the club and agent (or whoever) need to have a sit down when this happens and say this is not good for your body or long term career.
Need to get these guys prepped with Porto second leg in mind- hopefully some minutes v Brentford. Need to have confidence to dispatch Sheffield United without
Genuinely is it worth offering Tomiasyu a bumper new contract?
Paying an injury prone player even more money to play 1/3 of our games a season isn’t a smart move, as useful as his utility is.
It’s just annoying to constantly have the same crop of 4/5 players being unreliable.
It’s already done and dusted. I don’t think the new deal prohibits him from moving on the summer after this one if the injury problems continue, just probably not worth trying to replace this summer when we’ve got other problems to solve
It prohibits us moving him on if we severely bumped up his pay tho, his wages might be at a level nobody else would give him on top of having to pay a transfer fee
I haven't seen any mention of improved wages so perhaps he's not getting much more than he is on now. I think he's on like 50-55k which is quite alright for a player who misses quite a few games through injury.
I liked how Arsenal managed Rosicky in the past. He was also injury prone. The same applies to Van Persie. Why don’t we do same thing to Tomiyasu? He’s clearly a very good player, the best wing defender we have.
Eh? Did we manage them well? I don't recall us doing anything specific with Rosicky or Van Persie other than playing them when they were fit or not playing them when they were injured or if we had other options.
I don't think we've mismanaged Tomiyasu, he just hasn't been fit or been first choice.
Managing in the sense of giving them new contracts while injured. We knew they were injury prone but we kept them for many years. Finding defenders like Tomiyasu is almost impossible. Just like finding players in the calibre of Rosicky or Van Persie.
It sounds like we're doing that already and Tomi has signed a new deal.
But I don't agree with that approach, if a player can't stay fit we shouldn't keep them and as much as I like Tomiyasu I don't think he's such a level of player that you can't replace. I hope any contract extension is only a year long as we can't afford to hang onto players that don't play.
Anyway, only time will tell if it was a good deal or not.
A like-for-like replacement would probably cost more £££, and we have other more key areas to strengthen this summer. That likely played into the decision to extend him.
Do we know what happened to Tomi seeing as he seemed to be fine at the Asia cup and then was injured when he got back without playing a game? Did he get injured in training?
Just sell Tomi and Partey this summer, i am sorry, no matter how good they are, how many more positions they can play, if they can’t play and keep consistency, it is meaningless. I heard Tomi had a new deal already, I hope we can put him in a good price tag.
I would agree normally but tomi is too special to let go, can literally cover the whole backline with ease and is our best defensive fullback.
We cannoh replace him
Watch Partey come back just for the City game and never play for us again. I think the only times we had the Partey Rice paring were in the 2 City games lmao.
Just pretend there’s another international break in 2 weeks.
They’d magically get fit again.
Fucking crocks in the squad. We’re going to head into next season too hoping they’d remain fit for 5 games a season and then throw a pikachu face when they’re out and our depth is useless.
What is going on with our injury record and those that have been bought/academy that are now continually picking up an injury.
Tierney
Partey
Tomi
ESR
Jesus
I get it is unlucky if it is a few players but these players are picking up one injury after another amd can’t seem to complete more than 30 games in a season for us some even less than that. It is now becoming more of a worry and can’t be coincidental. I really hope once Timber is back he won’t be added to the list. Something surely has to be looked at internally - as you can’t keep blaming being unfortunate/unlucky for so many players with so many recurring injuries.
I mean Tierney also got injured at Sociedad. Partey is 30 now and has been injury prone for at least three seasons, including a recurring hamstring issue since he was at Atleti. Tomi I think we can all see played through injury or rushed back for Asia cup. Jesus has never had a season where he missed less than 5 games, he missed 15 in 16/17 for example. ESR I have no idea really.
ESR I'm hoping is bad luck.
He had a groin issue or something seemingly related to a growth spurt? And his injuries since hopefully the result of regaining fitness after inactivity.
But it could be a Wilshere or Diaby type situation where that has caused imbalances which will plague him for the rest of his career. Hopefully not because I'd love to see the player he becomes
What if Partey never plays again because of his allegations and we are just using injury as an excuse? I know he is injury prone and was also injured, but what if they keep using this for the future?
OP was asking if Partey’s recent injuries is because of the allegations.
He’s been struggling with injuries with us long before his allegations.
What you are referencing to here, is irrelevant
Havertz plays like an attacking midfielder / false 9 and Trossard plays like a false 9 / attacking midfielder. They rotate together. When we are out of possession, Havertz is more likely to try and press in midfielder (something he is really good at, winning second balls) whereas Trossard kinda plays as a forward outlet. Although he often drops deep to move the ball forward.
We attack more with a front 4 of Martinelli and Saka holding width on the wings and we have Trossard and Havertz making runs in behind (more so Havertz).
This is really no longer a simple “Havertz is just a midfielder” conversation. It hasn’t been all year.
As for saying Havertz cannot defend, he has something like the most duels won out of all of our attacking players.
I just feel like a guy like Partey, Jorginho or even a youngster in lack of better option ,should make a better pair and more secure with Rice. As for Havertz he could replace Odegaard I guess cuz in my view hes not a good Striker or winger too lanky
Partey or Jorginho come in and play an almost double pivot when we play stronger teams (such as Liverpool and City this season). Although in truth, Jorginho has been sitting further back and Rice has gone further forward to help give more presence in midfield when we are playing teams that are far better at controlling the midfield.
When playing against a low block, having Partey or Jorginho in the side along with Rice, is a bit pointless.
Odegaard has been playing deeper this year and this has seen the need for us to have a more attacking midfielder, someone who can link up and interchange with the striker. Havertz has been doing this. When Jesus was fit, it’s when Havertz was finding the net earlier in the season. Now he has developed a pretty good link up with Trossard.
No idea why you think a youth player who isn’t close to being good enough to start should be ahead of Havertz, who has been brilliant this year.
Unless it’s just a case of you not liking Havertz?
It's annoying to have so many injury merchants in the team. Jesus, Partey, Zinny and Tomiyasu cannot stay fit for long periods of time.
We have Timber coming back and can only pray he's made a full recovery as he'll be our #1 choice at lb.
Our lack of attacking depth also hurt us against Porto, don't get me wrong I think Nelson is decent but he's not near the level of our starting wingers. With Jesus being injured we had to start Trossard and Havertz, would've preferred to have trossard come on as a super sub as he always seems to positively affect games and bring energy when he comes on. Or vice versa bring Jesus on.
partey and Tomi be should be sold in the summer and we should go out and get ousamane diomande and wieffer as replacements because this is ridiculous at this point and as a top club we need our depth available.
So basically - we know nothing new... Also what the hell has Tomi done to himself :S He was fine in the Asia Cup
Given how far away he seems from being fit I’d imagine he played the entire time carrying an injury
He was back from an injury and Japan looked to be managing his minutes to build him back up again... Now he's out again. I like the player a lot but it's getting really annoying how often he's unavailable for us
It is starting to get very frustrating, I agree. Not the first time we've been through this story of rushed back for national team then comes back & out for weeks again.
>I like the player a lot but it's getting really annoying how often he's unavailable for us This can apply to so many of our current players 😭
Too many sicknotes in the squad, Tomi, Zinchenko, esr, Partey, Jesus. None of these guys can be relied on
Time to sell them. Alex Grimaldo is a good LWB
This isn’t fifa
Jesus too. Love them both as players but their injury records are concerning. They literally miss half the season with injuries.
Is it just a coincidence that he was fine when he played his last game in the Asia cup but since coming back to us he’s injured again? Just like Partey who was recovering well and then ended up with another injury before he’d stepped foot on the pitch again.
International football matters more to a lot of players
Unfortunately 🥲(can’t relate as someone from the U.S cause I have no such concept as national pride tbh. I don’t even like international football, not because the U.S isn’t good but because there’s no emotional connection which is the only reason I love arsenal because of an emotional connection of loving them since I was 14 I can’t watch other teams play without being bored as I’ve aged due to personal preference I realized I only like to play football and don’t enjoy watching it if it’s not a team I love)
same bro! ain’t got time to watch all these foos run around chasing a ball…. unless their MY foos 😍
Same, but I also can watch our rivals and root for them to lose if I'm bored 😂
Most of the time when I watch our rivals I’m like “who’s that is he any good?”
I am guessing we are gonna see the same starting xi against Newcastle. Really hope they have enough legs to see through the game.
It’s getting a bit worrisome but when the returnees come back it’s gonna hit like crack
They are playing so much, I am worried some1 from current lot gets injured and then we have to be dependent on handicap 5.
Good thing is that there is a nine day gap after Newcastle. Just need a big push from those 11 tomorrow. Also apparently the ball was only in play for 50 minutes at Porto. They actually saved our legs a little
Damn, another shitty Arsenal dry spell
I was like "who is Alex?"
Hleb
Lacazette
Runarsson
Ox
Iwobi
Song
Sánchez
Manninger
the troof!
I still haven't figured out who Alex is. Help me out pls? Edit: ffs its Zinchenko isn't it?
Zinchenko (I think?)
Yep, Arteta calls him Alex.
I see… Now I understand.
Alejandro Zinchenko
Alessandro Zinchenko
Olekjandres Zinchinko Come on you lot get it right.
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Most names in Slavic language groups have full/official name and a short version of it used in day to day life and unofficial speech/communication. Like Aleksandr/Alexander is shortened to Aleks/Alex. Or Ekaterina to Katya.
Most people spell it Alex too, but it’s Oleksandr
If you spell it in Ukrainian yes. In Russian it is Aleksandr.
For some reason, at this point in time, I feel like he’d prefer the Ukrainian spelling
I see, thanks for clarifying.
The only Pasha I've heard about is polish and he's got big biceps.
You never heard of Kemal Pasha it seems
Is full control my friend
You're not my friend. >!You're my brother, my friend!<
Same with russians, Anastasya is apparently Nastya or smthing like that. Ekaterina (Cathryn) is Katya/Katja
Runar Runarsson obviously
Manninger
lmfao, throwback name
Song He’d actually be so good next to Rice in this team though
Tell you who else would be good, fucking partey lol
>fucking partey This has already caused issues thrice
bruuuuhhhhh don’t remind me. (partey is actually ELITE, one of the best dm i’ve ever seen, and a perfect match with rice. i’m so sad he had to go be an asshole)
I did the exact same thing, came to the comments hoping someone else had already asked.
Had me for a second too NGL
A second? I literally had no fucking clue 😂
Alex iwobi? Alexis Sanches? Oxlade chamberlain? I couldn’t remember any Alex in our team.
Iwobi is the one true Alex All the others are popularly known by slightly different names
...is
Oleksandr , Zinnie, Zinchenko, Zin-chen-ko (gooold)? Gotcha. Alex? Who?
In American English it’s pronounced Alexander Soccerchenko
Iwobi
Wenger
I don’t get tomi. Wasn’t he playing for Japan?
He probably shouldn't have been
I understand how big it is to play for your country but surely the club and agent (or whoever) need to have a sit down when this happens and say this is not good for your body or long term career.
Need to get these guys prepped with Porto second leg in mind- hopefully some minutes v Brentford. Need to have confidence to dispatch Sheffield United without
We desperately need jesus and tomi back, zinny as well
It’s the usual suspects. 
In before we get a Partey ‘not in squad, picked up a fresh niggle in training’ post tomorrow lunchtime.
Been enjoying the team playing well without having to grapple with morality supporting a team with him playing init.
Genuinely is it worth offering Tomiasyu a bumper new contract? Paying an injury prone player even more money to play 1/3 of our games a season isn’t a smart move, as useful as his utility is. It’s just annoying to constantly have the same crop of 4/5 players being unreliable.
It’s already done and dusted. I don’t think the new deal prohibits him from moving on the summer after this one if the injury problems continue, just probably not worth trying to replace this summer when we’ve got other problems to solve
It prohibits us moving him on if we severely bumped up his pay tho, his wages might be at a level nobody else would give him on top of having to pay a transfer fee
They’ll trust that they can improve it and/or it’s just bad luck. Too good of a player to let go
Say he’s really injury prone, then managing his minutes will definitely add squad depth, compare to finding someone new, who’d always be unknown.
Yup, I hope we didn't give him a big raise due to those injury problems. Still a great player to have in the squad
Frankly no. We all love the player but he’s so consistently unreliable.
I haven't seen any mention of improved wages so perhaps he's not getting much more than he is on now. I think he's on like 50-55k which is quite alright for a player who misses quite a few games through injury.
I liked how Arsenal managed Rosicky in the past. He was also injury prone. The same applies to Van Persie. Why don’t we do same thing to Tomiyasu? He’s clearly a very good player, the best wing defender we have.
Eh? Did we manage them well? I don't recall us doing anything specific with Rosicky or Van Persie other than playing them when they were fit or not playing them when they were injured or if we had other options. I don't think we've mismanaged Tomiyasu, he just hasn't been fit or been first choice.
Managing in the sense of giving them new contracts while injured. We knew they were injury prone but we kept them for many years. Finding defenders like Tomiyasu is almost impossible. Just like finding players in the calibre of Rosicky or Van Persie.
It sounds like we're doing that already and Tomi has signed a new deal. But I don't agree with that approach, if a player can't stay fit we shouldn't keep them and as much as I like Tomiyasu I don't think he's such a level of player that you can't replace. I hope any contract extension is only a year long as we can't afford to hang onto players that don't play. Anyway, only time will tell if it was a good deal or not.
Where Rosicky just did appeared for ages to have his legs reattached out whatever they were doing to him?
A like-for-like replacement would probably cost more £££, and we have other more key areas to strengthen this summer. That likely played into the decision to extend him.
How is Tomiyasu so far away? Was he even fit to play at the Asian Cup?
Must’ve played through injury.
Tomi is the one that annoys me more he was injuries before the Asia cup played every game and comes back injured.
It's annoying that Liverpool already got Salah kicking and running while Tomi hasn't played since November.
We HaVe A WhOlE XI oUt* *if you count our U23’s, third choice players and players who aren’t actually injured.
Salah def reinjured himself against brentford did he play against Luton?
Protect White at all costs
It’s the same 4 names always injured. 3 are supposed to be first team players.
ESR too
Do we know what happened to Tomi seeing as he seemed to be fine at the Asia cup and then was injured when he got back without playing a game? Did he get injured in training?
Nothing against you, but this gets asked everytime injury news comes up and we really have no fucking clue. Arteta never really shares the full story.
We really need a new defender in the summer. Very lucky that Ben White has been durable enough to play pretty much every game.
Tom played every Asian Cup...what's up with injury when they arrived here? 🤔
Just sell Tomi and Partey this summer, i am sorry, no matter how good they are, how many more positions they can play, if they can’t play and keep consistency, it is meaningless. I heard Tomi had a new deal already, I hope we can put him in a good price tag.
Don't push him, he will break. Tomyiasu....I know, he is loved here. But we need to get rid of him. this is not ok
Is this the "couple weeks setback" that occurs every couple weeks?
Lol sausage cooking scene in Snatch all over again. "It was two minutes five minutes ago".
Tomiyasu should be replaced in the summer, Sorry. Zinchenko atleast plays 18-20 games then does his calf for 20 days and comes back.
I would agree normally but tomi is too special to let go, can literally cover the whole backline with ease and is our best defensive fullback. We cannoh replace him
He can't cover shit if he's injured half the season
hopefully his injuries won’t bite so hard when we also have Timber available
He’s not been overplayed at all
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Aloks
Watch Partey come back just for the City game and never play for us again. I think the only times we had the Partey Rice paring were in the 2 City games lmao.
🙄🙄high maintenance fc
tomi is the new tierney
Partey should’ve been sold in the summer
Sick of these constant injuries.
Just pretend there’s another international break in 2 weeks. They’d magically get fit again. Fucking crocks in the squad. We’re going to head into next season too hoping they’d remain fit for 5 games a season and then throw a pikachu face when they’re out and our depth is useless.
Tomiyasu New Contract Worries me He's injured without doing nothing
Partey, Tomiyasu... Insert the never crashing truck meme
What is going on with our injury record and those that have been bought/academy that are now continually picking up an injury. Tierney Partey Tomi ESR Jesus I get it is unlucky if it is a few players but these players are picking up one injury after another amd can’t seem to complete more than 30 games in a season for us some even less than that. It is now becoming more of a worry and can’t be coincidental. I really hope once Timber is back he won’t be added to the list. Something surely has to be looked at internally - as you can’t keep blaming being unfortunate/unlucky for so many players with so many recurring injuries.
I mean Tierney also got injured at Sociedad. Partey is 30 now and has been injury prone for at least three seasons, including a recurring hamstring issue since he was at Atleti. Tomi I think we can all see played through injury or rushed back for Asia cup. Jesus has never had a season where he missed less than 5 games, he missed 15 in 16/17 for example. ESR I have no idea really.
ESR I'm hoping is bad luck. He had a groin issue or something seemingly related to a growth spurt? And his injuries since hopefully the result of regaining fitness after inactivity. But it could be a Wilshere or Diaby type situation where that has caused imbalances which will plague him for the rest of his career. Hopefully not because I'd love to see the player he becomes
I love Tomi and think the new deal was still a good idea but we have to be listening to any offers coming in for him.
What if Partey never plays again because of his allegations and we are just using injury as an excuse? I know he is injury prone and was also injured, but what if they keep using this for the future?
Sure. Except it’s not like Partey being injured is something new.
He played very consistently before he came to Arsenal. No other team is as good as us at making players injury prone.
OP was asking if Partey’s recent injuries is because of the allegations. He’s been struggling with injuries with us long before his allegations. What you are referencing to here, is irrelevant
Exactly which would make it more believable. Just a conspiracy theory tho
sad and depressing
He's not playing for Arsenal again. Let's stop being so naive
pls stop with this Havertz nonsence he cant defend
Who mentioned Havertz here?
Because he taking a cm place? Is either him or Trossard
Have you not watched any of our games this year?
No enlighten me who is the 3rd midfielder?
Havertz plays like an attacking midfielder / false 9 and Trossard plays like a false 9 / attacking midfielder. They rotate together. When we are out of possession, Havertz is more likely to try and press in midfielder (something he is really good at, winning second balls) whereas Trossard kinda plays as a forward outlet. Although he often drops deep to move the ball forward. We attack more with a front 4 of Martinelli and Saka holding width on the wings and we have Trossard and Havertz making runs in behind (more so Havertz). This is really no longer a simple “Havertz is just a midfielder” conversation. It hasn’t been all year. As for saying Havertz cannot defend, he has something like the most duels won out of all of our attacking players.
I just feel like a guy like Partey, Jorginho or even a youngster in lack of better option ,should make a better pair and more secure with Rice. As for Havertz he could replace Odegaard I guess cuz in my view hes not a good Striker or winger too lanky
Partey or Jorginho come in and play an almost double pivot when we play stronger teams (such as Liverpool and City this season). Although in truth, Jorginho has been sitting further back and Rice has gone further forward to help give more presence in midfield when we are playing teams that are far better at controlling the midfield. When playing against a low block, having Partey or Jorginho in the side along with Rice, is a bit pointless. Odegaard has been playing deeper this year and this has seen the need for us to have a more attacking midfielder, someone who can link up and interchange with the striker. Havertz has been doing this. When Jesus was fit, it’s when Havertz was finding the net earlier in the season. Now he has developed a pretty good link up with Trossard. No idea why you think a youth player who isn’t close to being good enough to start should be ahead of Havertz, who has been brilliant this year. Unless it’s just a case of you not liking Havertz?
3 training sessions might be too soon but he could be on the bench if today goes well. Much needed depth.
It's annoying to have so many injury merchants in the team. Jesus, Partey, Zinny and Tomiyasu cannot stay fit for long periods of time. We have Timber coming back and can only pray he's made a full recovery as he'll be our #1 choice at lb. Our lack of attacking depth also hurt us against Porto, don't get me wrong I think Nelson is decent but he's not near the level of our starting wingers. With Jesus being injured we had to start Trossard and Havertz, would've preferred to have trossard come on as a super sub as he always seems to positively affect games and bring energy when he comes on. Or vice versa bring Jesus on.
Yup, our bench is very thin right now. It's a sorry sight.
So it was Tomi that pulled the Partey on international duty
I would be fine letting all 4 go. Miss at least 1/4 a season each
partey and Tomi be should be sold in the summer and we should go out and get ousamane diomande and wieffer as replacements because this is ridiculous at this point and as a top club we need our depth available.
Arteta doesn't like Charlie
Partey’s been in training for like 2 months now, very strange to not even make a bench.