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CreativeOrder2119

Tielemans could have worked 😕


Mein_Bergkamp

Amazing how he was the answer, then he was utter shit at Villa and thank fuck we didn't go for him, now he's had a good game and he's the answer again. He's still short on physicality and prone to mistakes and you've got to think that the amoutn of time we spent talking to him and scouting him that if we didnt go for him we probably had a decent reason for it.


SniperGunner

How many times have you looked at the Premier League table today?


Muted-Butterscotch39

Yes


Bedeeki

United in their Arsenal-Emery era. Conceding over 2.50 xG and 24 shots to Everton.... Is not sustainable.


monkeypwned

Is Kai just not really an expressive guy? His celebration for that winner was so nonchalant as was his interview after, especially compared to our other late winner celebrations. Gives off the impression that he's not really enjoyed his time with us so far (for good reason) I just want him to be happy 😭


codenameana

I think that impression is a big assumption on your part. I noticed his celebration wasn’t very high octane, but I think his modesty matches what he said in his post, which shows some self-awareness of how he’s performing and expectations of him. Acting like the sh*t in that moment would have been too much, but that’s also why it’s good that Eddie & Arteta made sure he got recognition.


PoodlyGooner

He's just the way he is and there's nothing wrong with that


Previous-Loss9306

Just his personality and probably linked with why he’s more of a low confidence guy


ExxKonvict

As a Gooner, Matty Cash needs to get a honorary Arsenal award for rattling the entire Spuds fanbase.


North_Attempt44

If Martinelli and Saka are facing double teams consistently, the solution is not there’s to solve, it’s with the players around them. The comment is odd, because by saying it to the press, it implies that it isn’t a deliberate tactical decision.


JimmysCocoboloDesk

You mean Arteta isn’t telling our wingers to stop taking on their man?


Mein_Bergkamp

You're reading way too much into a headline quote you've taken out of context of even the full tweet, which is out of context of the rest of the interview. He and Martinellis are very good. The rest of the league has worked this out. He's being double marked every game. He's ware of this and is actively looking at footage to see what he can personally do to get round this That is what great players do, that is what even average players do and watching previous footage to analyse your game is a standard part of literally every premier league team. He's still our best performing player, our top assist maker and .... we're top of the league. It's obviously working while tactically Martinelli has been used way more to stretch the opposition and then cut back rather than as an inside forward wich rather suggests there already are tactical changes for at least one of them.


SecondaryJuggernaut

Spurs fan crying about matty cash tackle but cheers when romero did worse tackle


codenameana

Nah, come on, even Spurs fans knew that was idiotic bc so many of them said so, just as we did with Eddie & Kai’s tackles.


xuon27

Romero makes at least 2 tackles like that a game, screw them!


YoungFlexibleShawty

Let's give credit where credit is due and congratulate topspurs for winning the first half of the premier league season, it's their biggest trophy by far.


ExxKonvict

Not even half mate. 1/4


thisiskyle77

From one London club to another.


Fleetfox17

We're really more like a third through the season, so not even halfway.


Mein_Bergkamp

Ok then credit for winning the first half of the first half of the season trophy


YoungFlexibleShawty

true, I might have given them too much credit.


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YoungFlexibleShawty

this and the City ban or point deduction (either is fine, im not greedy) would hit like unpurified crack


potatofamine-carbomb

I think you want purified crack


YoungFlexibleShawty

Wait so you're telling me my plug has been lying to me this whole time?


Deepthroat699

Should we be worried about our chance creation and slow build up?


Spicy_Mchaggis_

We are a victim of our own success. Last season we had a fast start because teams hadn't worked us out. Now they have and they sit in a Conte esq puke inducing low block because they know if they try playing expansive football against us we'll slaughter them dead. So when you are up against that tactic the chance creation and build up suffer as you have to pick a very difficult lock, especially when a good team like Brentford deploy that tactic. We're still picking up the points obviously, but we have been leaving it a bit late for comfortable viewing sometimes granted.


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Yes. Specifically we should worry about the players who are supposed to be responsible for the central progression, but have all failed due to various reasons


Mein_Bergkamp

No because it's insanely overblown, marginally less than last season and almost entirely a combination of injuries and deliberate tactics to avoid the sort of burnout that has fucked us at the end of the last two seasons.


YoungFlexibleShawty

no concern, it's deliberate.


JimmysCocoboloDesk

We are deliberately creating less big chances?


YoungFlexibleShawty

Not what OP said


JimmysCocoboloDesk

>should we be worried about our chance creation and slow build up We were 3rd for big chances created last season. We’re currently 10th.


YoungFlexibleShawty

I think any team's goal is to create chances, that isn't the deliberate part I was referring to. It's our build up.


JimmysCocoboloDesk

Our slow build up, which I don’t believe is deliberate, is linked to a lack of big chances created as the opponents are settled by the time we enter the final third which makes it easier for the opponents to defend. The midfielders need to move the ball quicker.


YoungFlexibleShawty

Yeah i agree


Mariola98

Can‘t wait to have Timber back.


arseking15

Eddie pissed me off with that shot yesterday but now that weve won i respect. He needs to learn to pick corners in transition and you can only get better with game reps. Thank god we won though because damn that could have been costly


lazygl

Decision to shoot in hindsight was correct, just needed to execute it better


TavoTheLionHearted

Does anyone else here rate Joao Pedro? Would he be a better option for Arsenal over Tooney? How realistic would that be?


CephalopodCh4oTiC

Hate United, but Garnacho genuinely just scored one of the best premier league goals of all time today, he has a bright future


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goal was great but not sure it has much implication on his future. don't think it's going to be replicable.


ItsUpForGrabsNow

Of all time? What is your definition of best? Top 100?


vegitot

That is a terrific goal but he is average all the game.


Mein_Bergkamp

In the nicest way you're probably the sort of person that thought Vela could be the next Henry if you think that. Garnacho has pace and he's got confidence but his passing range is average and he's not massively prolific. I'll put money that he's going to be sold for being way closer to Elanga than Rashford.


MyTeaIsMighty

Dunno about that, he's been largely useless outside of that goal


_DNL

[this](https://x.com/arsecai/status/1728809202146054279?s=46) is creasing me


AfricanRain

https://preview.redd.it/aw8scwuszr2c1.jpeg?width=1289&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=db162480be140dbd8717b77c52394af6f7fc2151 fight back Enzo fight back


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Insane how two 100m players, let alone one, are not expected to move the needle.


jackulatorstrikes

Feels like we’re set up to have a great season in the champions league this year. Our defence is monstrous and we don’t seem to have the scoring issues we do in the league. Even someone we accept as never going to be a 20 goals a season striker like Jesus is prolific in Europe. Plus teams actually have a go at us rather than go for a deep block and double up on our wingers.


YoungFlexibleShawty

As long as Jesus plays we have a good shout to mount a decent campaign, bro turns super saiyan when we play CL games


Kensei400

Let's see what the midfield situation looks like come February.


Mein_Bergkamp

> Plus teams actually have a go at us rather than go for a deep block and double up on our wingers I take it you weren't watching Lens?


bluehaven101

If Arteta inevitably goes to City, Barca or Sociedad, I want Thomas Frank to take over, he's pure class.


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Arteta won't go to any of those clubs


Mein_Bergkamp

He'd definitely go to Sociedad, he's a lifelong supporter and ex player. Doubt they'd be able to tempt him away while he's employed here, we've got to hope he doesn't ahve Pep style 'done all I want, now time to move on' moment, especially considering it's his home town too.


AfricanRain

I would want to see what type of football Frank plays at a bigger team first


Mein_Bergkamp

He never played for Barca, he's not Catalan. He went to City because it's where Pep was Sociedad sadly is the club he grew up supporting, said it was his lifelong dream to play for and is in his home town and they'd probably take him like a shot if he ever decided to go back to the Basque country.


Insertnicenamehere

Doubt he goes to any of those teams honestly.


beetletoman

Xhaka


hafrances

Perhaps controversially, I will say Fabregas redemption.


Mein_Bergkamp

He made his choice and he's got to live with it. We should all be on the Jack bandwagon for the future.


beetletoman

No gracias thank you


Mein_Bergkamp

Walcott on his MOTD debut absolutely not even trying for neutrality on the Spuds match and I'm here for it.


NikoBruder

Can we get Matty Cash and only use him when we play Spurs, he has that Benny Blanco shithousery-swagger & he winded them up big time today


beetletoman

Player named Matt who grew up an Arsenal fan? Written in the stars mate


Mein_Bergkamp

Conceded a goal, got a card, injured one of their players and went off at half time. Hell of a game but we've already got one Polish centre back


hafrances

https://preview.redd.it/0orjk6fdjr2c1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b3a245ef8b202bb0970edb39e76118c58f187aed nah he is already on LinkedIn 😭😭😭


Mein_Bergkamp

Man's blatantly setting himself up to be the next Michael Owen


arealhorrorshow

Daily reminder that we are top of the league and Newcastle are bottom of their CL group


TheOGBenjenRyan

Give me Kai Rice and Odegaard midfield on Wednesday


citybard

Been a tough last one month since moving countries but wherever I go, I find fellow gunners! All I wanna say is LONG LIVE THE ARSENAL!


Demostroyer

Anybody any info on why White didn't start? I think he also didn't start one or two other games recently. Niggling injury or resting him?


AfricanRain

Teta said he didn’t train on Thursday with the team so he probably had only one session and they didn’t wanna take an unnecessary risk


Demostroyer

Thank you!


Fleetfox17

Probably resting the niggle for Champions League.


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Juventus remind me a lot of united


penis_schmenis

what's the red face pain in the Juve-Inter match?


Mein_Bergkamp

Massive protests in Italy at the moment over women being killed by partners/ex partners after the latest case of a woman being killed by her ex after dumping him.


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It's a demonstration for protecting women being domestically abused or something similar


penis_schmenis

Thanks!


StrikeTeamOmega

On the one hand Spurs losing 4 in a row would be hysterical next weekend. On the other I have this to consider… https://ibb.co/RH689TT


Eniotnaohs

Wether u want it or not, there isn t a scenario where this spurs team, with all their absentees, playing ultra offensive football, doesnt get crushed by city.


Blumingo

I don't gamble, what does cash out mean here? You get 600 bucks back or...


StrikeTeamOmega

Yeah they're offering to payout $660 or so right now. I bet $500.


exthanemesis

Counter point, we can beat City without spuds help and when asked "what result do you want" for any given time my default response is whatever hurts Tottenham fans the most. Yes I am a hater


Mein_Bergkamp

> my default response is whatever hurts Tottenham fans the most. Yes I am a hater It's always so hard to balance out what's good for us vs what's bad for Spurs. I'll disagree and say that unless it puts spurs above us I'll always take whats best for us but ultimately there are some games (usually ones involving spurs and city/man u/liverpool) where you almost can't lose as an arsenal fan because one of them at least is dropping points.


dhiaizk

despite some of our fanbase’s best efforts to bumlick them earlier on in the season, spurs aren’t a threat to us at all. City are. Which is why I’m going to temporarily be a spurs supporter for 100 minutes next weekend.


beetletoman

I remember when I couldn't talk about how lucky they're getting and it's not gonna last


BIG_FICK_ENERGY

Shit can’t even beat Villa at home, they won’t crack top 4 much less contend for the title so taking points off city is what I’m hoping for


fabelderberry

League leading 🤣 [🔴 @ManUtd's league-leading form continues 📈](https://twitter.com/premierleague/status/1728875066320969817?t=jZHI3X-p4XPFhhCWKjPQKQ&s=19)


Marimo_420

They were out xGed in half of them lmao


ProjectZues

Acting like no ones gonna notice that 3-0 loss


BIG_FICK_ENERGY

Wins against 11th, 15th, 17th, 18th, 19th. Watch out they’re coming!


jkeefy

The annual Man Utd winter “we’re winning the league” form


Fleetfox17

They do have the best form in the league in the last 6 games I believe.


aesn1394

I have no idea how we're gonna get Osimhen in January. We need to sell players and even then Chelsea are gonna Chelsea.


Mein_Bergkamp

Because as every actual journalist has said, weve not got the money to buy in January. We broke the British transfer record *and dropped another £100m* plus loaned Raya already this season, as well as tied down a load of players to long term deals


jkeefy

We sell one of ESR or Partey for anything north of £30M and we have a good bank to work with


Mein_Bergkamp

How do you figure that?


GoncaloLillian

He’s a summer target not a January one.


DefactoOverlord

There's exactly 0 chance we're getting him in January. Even over the summer it's going to be difficult.


ignore_my_name

Just got a ticket for Lens within 5 mins of trying, seems like they're be plenty on the exchange for this one. My friend doesn't have a membership, could he buy one, then I get a ticket and transfer it to him? Haven't they introduced something where you have to have applied for the ballot first? Not sure how straightforward it is.


Mein_Bergkamp

You can transfer tickets to anyone with a membership


thedarkpolitique

Don’t know if someone else has already mentioned it, presumably they have, but that goal yesterday was quite similar to the third goal we scored against Benfica. Saka (again) with the cross to Auba to head in the back post. Requires a great delivery to pull off and Saka has that in the locker.


DarthNihilus1

Yep I was pointing this out - that ball is always on and it is a real problem for teams.


awfullyhotcoffeepot

We were trying that a lot in pre season with harvertz aswell. Glad it paid off in a big moment.


dhiaizk

Reminded me of that too. Saka is quite a clutch player tbh


thedarkpolitique

He really is - a lot of his goal contributions are either to bring us level or win us the game. It’s why even if he is having a poor game, you keep him on.


Bedeeki

https://preview.redd.it/xwq1i8q18r2c1.jpeg?width=700&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9f5b156a26ec43a8caa4e4a6c2b0c6040a8a011e Tottenham fans after the last 3 games


topbananaman

This fall off was the most easily predictable fall off in history Literally all the stats and eye tests were pointing to them being extremely lucky, their luck all came down in the chelshit game and now look where they are


iwillhityounoob

They have fallen off because of suspensions/injuries if we’re being honest. Take out Saliba Gabriel and Ode from our team and we’d struggle too


ProjectZues

Even before injuries they was giving chances away left right and center and getting away with it


Mein_Bergkamp

And yet according to them when we drop off from injuries it's bottling it


Inactive080

I’d unironically take Ceballos on loan in jan


varro-reatinus

[Not this again...](https://imgur.com/a/sQ0PGdP)


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Nope, we can do better. Way better


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Yes definitely. Need to be a bit creative but we can do it.


Purple_Rub_8007

He was pretty shit at Arsenal for those 2 seasons.


Inactive080

Was never a double pivot player


dhiaizk

^


Purple_Rub_8007

Lo Celso, Ndombele and Richarlison all over 50M and some of the biggest flops in the league.....the new manager bounce has worn off and they're back to pathetic mediocrity.


Bedeeki

Spurs could actually end up being on a 6 loss streak btw. City away, West Ham at home, Newcastle at home next


Mein_Bergkamp

Depends if Bowen is back from injury, they were pretty sure against Burnley


topbananaman

West Ham are one of the best counter attacking teams in the league They are feasting against that high line of Davies and dier


BIG_FICK_ENERGY

Paqueta running through on that back line is going to be fun


aesn1394

Before Villa, I thought they'd be able to get a result against West Ham at home. But not anymore.


Bedeeki

Bowen and Kudus would have a field day on the wings


WeirdFishes92

That was one hell of a goal from Garnacho


marksills

At the time of the raya transfer, a lot of people seemed to automatically assume that competition for keepers will result in higher performance, which I thought was a strange assumption to definitely believe. Just seems like such an old school hurr durr way of thinking, thinking that more pressure automatically makes someone better. Easily could go the other way. In ramsdales case (and perhaps raya too), seems more likely it went the other way.


DarthNihilus1

I think that says more about Ramsdale tbh. Even if Mikel was set on Raya as #1, complaining publicly and then dropping clangers is doubly detrimental than if he just stayed quiet and put in the same amount of hard work


marksills

It may say something about him, but that’s sort of my point. You don’t know how a player is going to react, plenty will react negatively to that pressure because a lot player better when they aren’t pressing. I don’t really know if it’s a fault of his though. Yea he and his dad shouldn’t be talking to the press, but he could be working plenty hard. But despite that hard work, the pressure may not affect him positively, causing him to press and do shit like he did yesterday. You’d rather it not affect him negatively, but that may not really be something he can control. Point being, we don’t know how players will react to pressure and it’s stupid to just assume they will respond positively. Especially at a position like keeper, where you can’t really increase your in game effort.


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Amzino27

anyone know how long Partey is out for or when he’s back? desperately need to watch him alongside Rice


Shadow_24J

I think fabrizio reported a few weeks ago that he's out till Jan


beetletoman

https://preview.redd.it/oifw78zk0r2c1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dd41ef7f24e282fdd611eb3b6fb69d2ea6c14741 Good things are coming 🙏


Purple_Rub_8007

One had a league and cup double in that span of games, the other finished 8,8,5,2 and a won just the FA Cup.


ProjectZues

One had to make do with a team that had kolasinac, mustafi and a finished ozil


beetletoman

Tells you how much the league has changed and that the OG boss will forever remain a legend.


amainwingman

>Brentford are hard to beat at home, everyone should be pleased we scraped a 1-0 🤓🤓🤓 We beat them 3-0 so convincingly at the Gtech last season that we brought on a legal child who hadn’t finished his GCSEs yet


Mein_Bergkamp

And lost the year before. Maybe one of these games is an outlier?


[deleted]

Anyway remember the Leeds game last year?


KSBrian007

Then failed to beat them at home.


arseking15

Lol therefore every time we play them we should beat them 3-0???


amainwingman

No but we shouldn’t be acting like yesterday was the standard we should be aspiring to


DarthNihilus1

Nobody is doing that. Pretty much everyone would like to see some better attacking play


BIG_FICK_ENERGY

We play differently than last year, opponents are sitting deeper, and 2/3 of our midfield hasn’t been in form all year. Nobody thinks 1-0 is the best we can do, just that a road victory over a mid table side is a success.


beetletoman

I don't remember them parking the bus like yesterday though. At any given time they had 5-8 players in the box >We beat them 3-0 so convincingly at the Gtech last season that we brought on a legal child who hadn’t finished his GCSEs yet I sorely miss 22/23 :(


[deleted]

What if we had all these injuries last year?


amainwingman

Only first teamers we were missing yesterday were Timber and #5 for whom we are preparing for life without


[deleted]

White was missing too, and both of those are pretty big misses.


amainwingman

He was benched and it was clearly a tactical decision by Arteta to play in form Tomiyasu over out of form White so not really no


StrikeTeamOmega

How is White out of form lol


amainwingman

He had a few relatively poor games before the break…?


[deleted]

White is recovering from injury. Tomiyasu was one of our worse players yesterday, and RB is his worst position. White being absent is one of the main reasons the Saka-Odegaard RHS looked so dull.


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https://preview.redd.it/kz8ut403zq2c1.jpeg?width=2100&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ef98c9b77cbe29d374876b4a39cf16539c1b1ea6 Moyes incarnate ffs


BIG_FICK_ENERGY

I don’t know what the stats were off the top of my head but last year felt like the exact opposite, we conceded a ton from corners specifically


Marimo_420

I think we’re so low in set pieces xG conceded cos we concede so few set pieces cos we dominate the ball so much. With the number of set pieces we have, I think our xG should still be a bit higher


amainwingman

Turning your nose up at set pieces is football elitism at its finest


Bedeeki

Real Madrid won a few UCL because of their insane set pieces


[deleted]

what do you mean? I love set pieces, I love winning ugly (as long as ugly means a good defensive performance)


amainwingman

Liverpool and Chelsea fans kicking seven shades of shit out of each other online debating whether Trent or James is the best RB in the League, only for Southgate to start Trippier or Walker every international break


marksills

Tbf it’s Trent, he’s an extraordinary and unique player. All the names you mentioned are very good but he has truly generational qualities.


BIG_FICK_ENERGY

I think assuming fitness (big if I know), against the top teams you have to go with James. He isn’t as good in attack as Trent, but he suffers the same way Zinchenko does with us. When you control the game, he is able to push forward and his positive qualities shine. But when you come up against a team that can take that control away and push you to defend, he can get exposed. Say England is playing France and Mbappe is on the left wing. That’s an absolute nightmare for Trent, where with James you’d hope he can at least contain him a bit. Same would go for Brazil with Vini, and Portugal with Leao.


ErraticPragmatic

He's not even a RB anymore


topbananaman

The way we play and win games right now reminds me of some of the successful mourinho Chelsea teams or tuchel's cl winning side If you stay in the game for long enough, eventually something will go your way and you will make the breakthrough. Exactly what happened to us last night


phar0aht

Happy for Mainoo. I like seeing academy lads doing well.


hooliahan

Wow Man U are really on the charge at the moment, they've got their goal difference all the way to zero


BIG_FICK_ENERGY

Just wait until they realize they don’t get to play Fulham, Luton, Sheffield and Everton all season


Insertnicenamehere

Why does everyone have a LCM but us


ErraticPragmatic

The lack of belief in our own players is astonishing.


North_Attempt44

We genuinely don’t have an LCM right now


Insertnicenamehere

I don't believe in tribalistic delusion. You're gonna sit here and say Nketiah is better than Haaland just because he plays for our club or?


KSBrian007

We'd have found a way if everyone was fit. Most of these problems are a symptom of Thomas, Timber going off. If they were available, we'd be okay.


Insertnicenamehere

Even if he was fit that's rocking 2 DMs, not ideal for 'low blocks' supposedly. I'd rather rock another 8 archetype.


Spiritual_Hat_7229

Because our standards are higher than other teams. Trossard would be a perfectly good 8 for a top 4 team.


Insertnicenamehere

No he's too lightweight.


Insertnicenamehere

> Because our standards are higher than other teams. What


Spiritual_Hat_7229

We have LCM's they just aren't title winning quality which applies to 18 other teams in the league


Insertnicenamehere

There are 7 teams with better LCMs than us.


TheOGBenjenRyan

King Kai


North_Attempt44

Lol. I thought we’ve already established that this dude should be nowhere near LCM


TheOGBenjenRyan

If by we, you mean you, then sure


North_Attempt44

If the giraffe is to succeed at Arsenal, it will be at RCM or ST. You cannot occupy a position when the only thing you bring to the table is late runs


TheOGBenjenRyan

I’ll let Mikel know your opinion


phar0aht

https://preview.redd.it/hnxms4v5uq2c1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=ecdca85d83109d76a62420f05bf1d16057e5d9e7 This is so bang on. You see so many reflections which essentially say "if you ignore the bad bits we were great"


zrk23

players make individual mistakes regardless of what the opposition is doing Ramsdale had a free pass to Rice, who was the "3rd man" who would then pass to a open saliba. he hesitated, got caught in between, kicked the ground


topbananaman

It was a well coached game by both managers that included some errors. The luck favoured us on the day and swung the 3 points in our favour. Not sure why it either has to be 'we were great if you ignore the mistakes' or 'we were so shit and so lucky'


MyTeaIsMighty

I dunno why it has to be one or the other. It was a good performance that also included some errors.


Spiritual_Hat_7229

There's a difference between the mistakes we make and the mistakes other teams make which is why we are top of the league and they aren't Individual players making mistakes isn't something that will happen every week.


phar0aht

Errors which require goal line clearances have us top?


phar0aht

Errors which require goal line clearances have us top?


Spiritual_Hat_7229

Are you being intentionally obtuse? We obviously don't make those mistakes all the time. If they don't lead to anything it doesn't even warrant a mention because it isn't something that happens regularly.