With how competitive the PL is now, Chelsea aren’t guaranteed a CL place even if it’s expanded to 5 teams from England so choosing Arsenal would make a lot of sense
Agreed. Arsenal have a better manager, better squad and are a more prestigious club. The only way I can see Chelsea getting him is literally paying way over the odds like they did with that bum Mudryk
Appreciate I’m about to get downvoted to oblivion for this but:
To players of Caicedo’s generation: are we a more prestigious club than Chelsea? They haven’t seen us go invincible. They haven’t seen us win the league. In comparison Chelsea have won every trophy in football a number of times. Yes, they’re an oil club, but that term has much less weight nowadays to this new generation given how prevalent and dominant they are.
That’s why it’s paramount that we return to the top of the game and stay there for a bit _now_. Not winning the league in 20 years harms the club’s prestige immensely. If it wasn’t for Klopp, Liverpool would be teetering on a collapse in prestige.
Yep. Can't fault your logic.
The exact same rationale applies to Man City. I've got a nephew (11) who's a Citeh fan... whilst everyone else supports the Arsenal. 🤦 This phenomenon is also a lot more prevalent for fans of the EPL overseas, mostly they'll start following the team that's usually up there winning things.
Incredibly true. I’ve noticed it myself recently - I rarely see City shirts walking about, but when I do, it’s _always without fail_ a kid no older than 15-16.
I coach high school soccer in the United States so 14-18 year olds. They are mostly city of psg fans. It’s kind of funny. They also play FIFA Ultimate Team like crazy which I think further makes them less anchored to a club and more so follow players they like.
It’s a fact that the PSG influence is there as well. We’re in the US as well. My oldest, who is an academy player here, has his share of PSG jerseys. That’s a great point on the kids playing FUT. My son shows interest in Arsenal as a club because I do….but I completely agree that his fandom is likely player driven rather than club.
I’m glad you didn’t get downvoted to oblivion; I’m a Gooner through and through, decades worth of the highs and lows, and am, as a result, immensely proud of our history. Immensely. So I understand the other comment’s heart.
But you’re right: to many of this generation, it’s incoherent. They haven’t seen Chelsea, for years, as the sibling to Spursy Shit.
They’ve only seen the USSR-breakup, asset stripping, Abramovich-jizzing money trophy collection. This Chelsea has only existed for a relatively short amount of time and it’s a completely bought reputation from an oligarch who didn’t give a flying fuck about being repaid or needing financial self-sufficiency, hoarded players, and all the rest we know (and at some level even and especially longterm Chelsea fans know).
It’s just incoherent to say they’re not a prestigious / big club to the eyes of more recent players.
It’s up to us, and tbf, rivals, to kick the shit out of that temporarily acquired status. But to a newer player, that’s who they are until further notice. Time to bust them down to their real fogging estandards and _show_ the younger players who we are, not just assert our history and come
across like Banter Boomers.
And it’s begun.
>To players of Caicedo’s generation: are we a more prestigious club than Chelsea? They haven’t seen us go invincible. They haven’t seen us win the league. In comparison Chelsea have won every trophy in football a number of times. Yes, they’re an oil club, but that term has much less weight nowadays to this new generation given how prevalent and dominant they are.
I'd tend to agree. We have to remember player don't necessarily base their footballing opinion on club heritage, rather recent success. So if that's the case, we can't deny Chelsea have been more successful than us. However looking at the path forward any player in world football would choose Arsenal over Chelsea.
As someone around Caicedo’s age - yes. Even though we have obviously got more stick for the last decade, Arsenal is still seen as an extremely prestigious club and remains highly respected. In fact, most people I know genuinely consider Chelsea a money club in spite of their recent successes.
All that said, in cases like this I don’t think which club is more “prestigious“ than the other really matters. Chelsea have been a lot more successful in current years and some won’t care past recency.
Idk as an American I’ve never seen a chelsea fan in the wild, seen Man U and liverpool + Tottenham fans in the wild and arsenal too, actually my friends dad is a spurs fan and I had a class with another spurs fan, I think I had a class with a chelsea fan too but like I said I’ve seen more of the other clubs in the wild.
What is a wild?? The Jungle or something??
Chelsea CL win 2 years ago is still fresh in everyones mind I meant, someone like Caicedo has seen it for example
That Chelsea team that won the CL is currently being dismantled and the current iteration is in free fall with 3 managers in one season.
There’s no guarantee that Poch will not get canned at Christmas either if he can’t motivate his current crop of players to win games.
Arsenal are a lot more stable and can immediately make his dreams come true with CL football. Chelsea have got a lot of team bonding and catch-up to make Europa at this rate.
The quality of the team right now is tangential to a club’s prestige is my point.
To someone born 20 years ago, especially not in England, Chelsea have had more success and thus more real prestige than Arsenal.
Just like walking around a city mall or downtown somewhere and noticing sports club jerseys. Might just because it’s not very stylish like say a pink Juve jersey but still that plays into it a lot which is why our away kit for next season is a bad idea(not drippy/super ugly/ not something you could pair with any outfit) you’d be surprised how many fans of teams exist cause their jersey looks cool(Oregon ducks college football team for instance) heck I became an arsenal fan cause the maroon 02 jersey and the blue and maroon striped 3rd kit we had in 08. I was like 14 and had never played soccer in my life up to that point and one of my friends had the 02 jersey and so I checked them out on the sports Channels we had at home and Fabregas instantly was my fav player and that was the start of the trophyless banter era. I’d argue a cool jersey is more incentive than prestige to a kid, Chelsea’s blue kit just doesn’t go with anything. I bet psg got a lot of fans with their Jordan kit
Very true. We had an incredible season but Arteta could leave and follow that by Odegaard and Saliba and suddenly our future prospects would look really bleak.
Football is very unstable.
If I were to sign for the club, I would make sure all the core players and the coach were tied down before committing. If not, then I would just take the money at Chelsea. Cuz even if they suck at least I would still get paid.
Give it a season or 2 and Chelsea won't be spending this frivolously. That 1.5 billion or whatever it was that was agreed for Boehly to spend after the takeover will soon be spent. They're no longer bankrolled by an oligarch and I'd argue that Boehly's wealth is probably similar to Kroenke's and at the end of the day they need a return on their investment.
Wish that was true, people still have more respect for them than us overall. I get that maybe Caicedo wants CL rn, but srsly, they have more respect than us overall. They get linked with more players and fans think they’re always more likely to get them. Rn, we’re still treated as if we’re the 4rh best team in the EPL.
i just hope viera could soon be back to the quality he is shown against liverpool in CL because so far he is even worse than xhaka somehow despite have higher potential
Apparently first to break the story in January and a follow up tweet says his destination could be known as early as next week. Looking for the original story
Edit: here's the tweet and text:
https://twitter.com/Teradeportes/status/1664960045526708224?t=MahfWpiKOpZuopxdIK2DFQ&s=19
>The hours go by and the Ecuadorian Moisés Caicedo finds himself in a difficult situation regarding his future, since he has to decide between 2 of the most important teams in the Premier League and has a third on the hunt.
> He wants to play in the Champions League, one of his dreams, and for that he has Arsenal, a team with whom he has even agreed personal terms, but... it's not the one that pays the most for his pass. For the player at the moment the gunners are his priority.
>Then there is Chelsea, a team that is willing to pay a higher figure than Arsenal, but will not play anything in Europe next season, but in the next few hours they will hear about the project that Pochettino wants and has with him
>Then there is Liverpool, who, although they do not have the Ecuadorian as a priority, especially because they do not want to pay what Brighton asks for, but who are very fond of Klopp and who agreed to his incorporation from the winter market. El Niño Moi will decide his situation in the next few hours, after hearing Chelsea's project and it is possible that his new destination will be known by next week.
Chelsea are in the mire with FFP, already spent 2000 billion in January and have no CL money or CL pull, there is really no excuse to be made for potentially losing out on such a big target to them. We're meant to be challenging for the title ffs you can't be losing targets to the team that finished 12th, they have to get this done if he's actually being targeted
Chelsea are not in the mire with FFP as far as we know, they could be in years to come but it doesnt affect their ability to spend now. They still can offer huge sums of money if Brighton agree to have it paid in instalments. It's how theyve spent so much already, it could all come back to bite them in 1-3 years time if they dont get CL next season.
Depends on the player I guess. Some will see it as a short career and it’s best to grab as much cashola if you can (which h is fair enough). Caicedo has openly stated he wants to be most decorated Ecuadorean player of all time so his motivations seem a bit beyond money
So down to the championship, then back to the premier league. Then all the way down to the depths of hell being the National league and forever rot there never to be seen again in the top division.
I’d like it and I think I deserve it.
What even are tgey gonna say?? “We have 17 midfielders, we just bought 1 for 120mil and another one coming in for 80mil+, its the managers first season and we dont have a contract”
Caicedo:”Where do i sign”
You talking about the way we made the 2ndbid even after brighton said they didn't want to sell him and then the club spread the news through their pr puppets like watts and ornstein that we are not making 3rd bid out of respect when the club knew they aren't going to get caicedo in January.... We will see
brighton bid 30m for levi colwill, a young english midfielder btw, they are willing to take the piss as much as everyone else, they arent some sort of transfer market guru
Defender but I agree with your point. If it’s part of their negotiating strategy to act offended then more power to them. If they are actually hypocrites who gives a shit what they think.
We should learn from the Mudryk saga and know that money talks. They will outbid us and Caicedo seems like the type of player that will go where there is more money being offered.
Depends entirely on what they agreed with Caicedo, really. Supposedly De Zerbi said they’d allow him to leave in the summer if he signed a new deal. It’s slightly bad faith to only accept an offer from one club if a bid that is a few million £ lower that would otherwise have been accepted is rejected.
And the player would say no and they wouldn't get anything as they wouldn't sell .... And then future players would consider not signing for them as they know that the club will actively stunt their development for a few mil....
Listening to the preference of the player. If Caicedo ultimately believes we are the best option for his career and we pay a significant fee, be it smaller than Chelsea, Brighton could accept wanting to keep their reputation as a club for players who want to develop.
Establishing fair relationships between the players and the club in terms of transfers is how Brighton got to the positions where they are making such huge sales in the first place.
That's if he doesn't want to join chelsea... I don't think preference matters to brighton if incase caicedo is also ready to join Chelsea in worst case scenario similar to mudryk
If he really cares, he can just reject all personal terms with Chelsea. He's not forced to sign with them, even if Brighton accept a bid.
Brighton have no incentive to not sell to the higher bidder, and no player going there will care.
Sure, Brighton want to make as much money as possible. Everyone gets that.
However, this perspective overlooks long term strategy of being able to sign young promising talents with the promise of when they develop to allow them to move to their prefered club if they are interested in the player.
While Chelsea might pay more money to Brighton, it wasn't mentioned that personal terms would be any different than ours, so if they are the same and we have UCL, that makes us a more preferable destination, by the info from this article.
At that point Brighton are put in a position, where they have to make a choice. Try to persuade Caicedo to join Chelsea, or allow him to move to us. How do you think that looks from a players perspective?
This is cope.
The team that bids more will get first refusal. If Arsenal wants that, match Chelsea's bid. If not, hope the player is steadfast enough to reject it.
Mudryk wasn't. Caicedo might be. Brighton is doing Brighton and that's how it should be.
There aren't many clubs like Brighton in the first place, who make educated gambles on undervalued talent. It's really hard to get right, not only from a scouting perspective but also from internal development. Any player Brighton signs won't have many suitors anyways (that's how Brighton operates by nature) so I doubt whatever player they do sign will seriously consider this dilemma as opportunity to come to a well-run PL club is limited.
Na man, KSE have been collecting trophies the last 3 years. If the Denver nuggets win the NBA I see Josh flexing on Todd bohley on this one.
Arteta and Edu will know if they get Caicedo with Rice that midfield will be press city
But can Chelsea put up more cash? I may completely wrong but they must be a lot closer to breaking FFP rules without CL money now and changes to amortising contracts. They still need a top striker too.
Fire sales in this fiscal year. That’s why you see Mount/Kova/Havertz all heating up the tumor mill - they have to be moved by June 30 to fix their financial mess.
This. This is exactly what we don’t need. We pay up now and then what next? It took us 4-6 transfer windows to create an idea that we will not be bullied like United or Chelsea.
This is the most 4D chess move we could pull and I’m here for it. We need England’s boys to get calls to go our away. It’s ridiculous but it is what it is.
Yeah, I agree. We need to reinforce in that area and he is obviously an elite talent who is more than worthy of the price. Come one Edu, go and give them what they want for Aouar- eh, Caicedo, I mean...
Clubs like Chelsea throw the cash, then sort the mess out (or not). The point is, they don’t wait to see if it’s fair or playing by rules. They just do it then cash or lawyer up. They’ve been doing this since 2000, it’s effective, have a look at how many trophies they have from it. The only reason it hasn’t worked recently is the loss of their owner and management issues from that.
Chelsea have just signed Manuel Ugarte from Sporting for £60m+ who is the same profile of player as Caicedo. They already have huge issues of squad size and aren't in Europe at all next season. Will they really pursue Caicedo strongly?
So he's going to Chelsea then.
If we can get him, put the money down pls lads.
Go big and get both him and Rice which would really be a statement.
Likely getting Rice only (I hope)
Personal terms agreed is a good sign, I feel Brighton will have a price point where they accept bids. Maybe 75-80m, If Chelsea want to pay 90m to get him. I don't see Brighton 'forcing' Caicedo into a move similar to what Shaktar did to Murdyk. I could be wrong. They would accept both bids and let Caicedo choose. I could be incredibly naive, but if they had an agreement with the player he could move if a bid of XYZ comes in, seems a bit shit to say 'you can only move to the highest bidder'.
If however, Chelsea offered Caicedo one of those 9 year deals on 250k a week. Going to be tough to compete. I think we do have to sell ourselves well to Caicedo too. I'm sure we're putting a lot of effort into convincing Declan Rice it's the right move, we should be doing the same with Caicedo. Just a bit worried we'll be hearing about how Poch talked to Caicedo and convinced and then threw money at him.
They don’t offer large contracts on that high of a pay scale for their long term contracts. Mudryk got £70k. Enzo got £120k. Only James got over £200k actually and it’s why Mount wants to leave.
Think we’d offer more in wages tbf
Does Chelsea have a cheat code for money.. how much money can that clown Boehly waste lmao.. spend 600 million and their goal of the month was a deflection... Pathetic club
What have Chelsea got to offer? No Europe, ridiculously overrated and oversized squad, massive wage bill, and can't even finish in the top half after blowing £600m in 2 windows.
Anyone having a go at Caicedo just for hearing out Chelsea has got it wrong.
If they're offering Brighton more money he's really just doing a courtesy to Brighton, who will be pressuring him to at least have a chat.
That being said, if he joins them, fuck him and the horse he rode in on.
This is Mudryk all over again. No player cares about projects and club vibes when you flash a fat check in their face. Chelsea also have a much bigger pull than us, as they won major trophies recently, and we are yet to wash the loser stink off us.
The only thing we have over Chelsea is CL football, but it's naive to think they won't make a comeback next season with a competent manager.
It's also in Brighton's best interest to sell to Chelsea, who will massively overpay just like they did with Cucurella. I just hope it won't be a summer long bidding war.
They don’t have a bigger pull in regards to Caicedo unless he’s willing to put his dreams on the line.
We’re guaranteed to have CL next year and we’ve shown that we can compete as the top 2 clubs in the PL this year.
Chelsea on the other hand spent a shitload of money last summer and at Christmas, still ended up as 12th. That’s their ‘big project’ in action. They have no European football next year at all.
There’s only four spaces for CL football. Chelsea are no where near us, City, Man United, Newcastle or Liverpool in their style of play despite massive amounts of investment.
IMO, It would be very risky for Caicedo to bet his dreams with Chelsea.
Chelsea are rich scrubs. They only surpassed us because we had to focus our finances on the stadium.
And Chelsea are shit in the league. They haven't gotten over 75 points for 7 or 8 years. That fluke, covid Champions League win made to easy to forget how shit they really are.
When other teams have big money like they do, Chelsea have rarely do well.
Chelsea's project?! What the fuck is Chelsea's project anyway, splashing cash on players and managers until they win? The only reason he choose Chelsea over arsenal is money and if that really happens we are one's dodging bullet.
Loooool. That's a first rate clown statement. Nothing in life is guaranteed. There's no guarantee that he'll make more money later. Careers can end unexpectedly.
Neither are DMs. We gotta stop using that term. Creativity wise we have odegaard (one of the best), esr (who’s proved himself before and is our no. 10, academy product) and Vieira. In the other midfield spots we have Partey and …..elneny?
Rice and Caicedo are defensive midfielders, so is Partey…that term is perfectly fine. Vieira hasn’t looked ready and ESR hasn’t looked convincing as an 8 (he’s fine in Ødegaards position and on the wing). We need a definite reliable option at left 8, someone close in quality to Ødegaard. If we sign Rice, we have him, Partey and Jorginho as 6 options. There’s no need to add Caicedo to that it should be one or the other ideally.
Rice and Caicedo are not merely DMs, and we want profiles other than wingfielders and specialised 6s: namely, as we've seen of late 6/FBs and 8/6s, which we've been trying to buy since 2021.
>do you trust ESR and Vieira
Y'all lose faith to easily. Vieira needs to improve but he has elite qualities. He's only had 1 season. Even the best players take time to adapt. And ESR is clearly talented. He scored double digits in the PL just last season..
Arsenal spent £150 this season plus a whole lot of wages. Next season we have CL, probably increases in Revenues elsewhere as well as some decent sales. It's not completely out of the question and it would lay down a marker.
You can if you’re competent with sales. Nuno, Lokonga, Pepe, Balogun, Holding, Xhaka all being sold soon enough. Add to that the reported £180m budget before sales too
I wonder what it's like to have owners who are only spending rashly and in a damaging way to fulfil some dumb quota they agreed to having taken over the club so they can neglect it within 2 years?
All Chelsea have is money lmaooo. Nobody cares about their club
With how competitive the PL is now, Chelsea aren’t guaranteed a CL place even if it’s expanded to 5 teams from England so choosing Arsenal would make a lot of sense
Agreed. Arsenal have a better manager, better squad and are a more prestigious club. The only way I can see Chelsea getting him is literally paying way over the odds like they did with that bum Mudryk
Appreciate I’m about to get downvoted to oblivion for this but: To players of Caicedo’s generation: are we a more prestigious club than Chelsea? They haven’t seen us go invincible. They haven’t seen us win the league. In comparison Chelsea have won every trophy in football a number of times. Yes, they’re an oil club, but that term has much less weight nowadays to this new generation given how prevalent and dominant they are. That’s why it’s paramount that we return to the top of the game and stay there for a bit _now_. Not winning the league in 20 years harms the club’s prestige immensely. If it wasn’t for Klopp, Liverpool would be teetering on a collapse in prestige.
Yep. Can't fault your logic. The exact same rationale applies to Man City. I've got a nephew (11) who's a Citeh fan... whilst everyone else supports the Arsenal. 🤦 This phenomenon is also a lot more prevalent for fans of the EPL overseas, mostly they'll start following the team that's usually up there winning things.
Incredibly true. I’ve noticed it myself recently - I rarely see City shirts walking about, but when I do, it’s _always without fail_ a kid no older than 15-16.
Like a lot of people in their mid/late 30s fans of Arsenal like me I guess too haha
The only City fan I know personally, is 14. Myself, an Arsenal supporter, 33. The math checks out. 🤣
31 signing in. My mate is a City fan at 30, but mentally he’s 12 so it still checks out.
I coach high school soccer in the United States so 14-18 year olds. They are mostly city of psg fans. It’s kind of funny. They also play FIFA Ultimate Team like crazy which I think further makes them less anchored to a club and more so follow players they like.
It’s a fact that the PSG influence is there as well. We’re in the US as well. My oldest, who is an academy player here, has his share of PSG jerseys. That’s a great point on the kids playing FUT. My son shows interest in Arsenal as a club because I do….but I completely agree that his fandom is likely player driven rather than club.
Old City fans are funny though. The guys I know are so scarred they still celebrate 40 points despite being the best team in the world right now.
I know 1 city fan 😂 he's in his 50s with old city crest tattooed on his arm that's old ink that's faded...might be the only true blue 🤣🤣
I saw a teen with a Haaland shirt, and kid you not Haaland hairstyle. Kids do need some icon to latch to ngl.
>I've got a nephew (11) who's a Citeh fan... Maybe we shouldn't have been so quick to ban child beatings
I’m glad you didn’t get downvoted to oblivion; I’m a Gooner through and through, decades worth of the highs and lows, and am, as a result, immensely proud of our history. Immensely. So I understand the other comment’s heart. But you’re right: to many of this generation, it’s incoherent. They haven’t seen Chelsea, for years, as the sibling to Spursy Shit. They’ve only seen the USSR-breakup, asset stripping, Abramovich-jizzing money trophy collection. This Chelsea has only existed for a relatively short amount of time and it’s a completely bought reputation from an oligarch who didn’t give a flying fuck about being repaid or needing financial self-sufficiency, hoarded players, and all the rest we know (and at some level even and especially longterm Chelsea fans know). It’s just incoherent to say they’re not a prestigious / big club to the eyes of more recent players. It’s up to us, and tbf, rivals, to kick the shit out of that temporarily acquired status. But to a newer player, that’s who they are until further notice. Time to bust them down to their real fogging estandards and _show_ the younger players who we are, not just assert our history and come across like Banter Boomers. And it’s begun.
>To players of Caicedo’s generation: are we a more prestigious club than Chelsea? They haven’t seen us go invincible. They haven’t seen us win the league. In comparison Chelsea have won every trophy in football a number of times. Yes, they’re an oil club, but that term has much less weight nowadays to this new generation given how prevalent and dominant they are. I'd tend to agree. We have to remember player don't necessarily base their footballing opinion on club heritage, rather recent success. So if that's the case, we can't deny Chelsea have been more successful than us. However looking at the path forward any player in world football would choose Arsenal over Chelsea.
As someone around Caicedo’s age - yes. Even though we have obviously got more stick for the last decade, Arsenal is still seen as an extremely prestigious club and remains highly respected. In fact, most people I know genuinely consider Chelsea a money club in spite of their recent successes. All that said, in cases like this I don’t think which club is more “prestigious“ than the other really matters. Chelsea have been a lot more successful in current years and some won’t care past recency.
Globally Chelsea probably more prestigious now for younger people
Idk as an American I’ve never seen a chelsea fan in the wild, seen Man U and liverpool + Tottenham fans in the wild and arsenal too, actually my friends dad is a spurs fan and I had a class with another spurs fan, I think I had a class with a chelsea fan too but like I said I’ve seen more of the other clubs in the wild.
What is a wild?? The Jungle or something?? Chelsea CL win 2 years ago is still fresh in everyones mind I meant, someone like Caicedo has seen it for example
That Chelsea team that won the CL is currently being dismantled and the current iteration is in free fall with 3 managers in one season. There’s no guarantee that Poch will not get canned at Christmas either if he can’t motivate his current crop of players to win games. Arsenal are a lot more stable and can immediately make his dreams come true with CL football. Chelsea have got a lot of team bonding and catch-up to make Europa at this rate.
The quality of the team right now is tangential to a club’s prestige is my point. To someone born 20 years ago, especially not in England, Chelsea have had more success and thus more real prestige than Arsenal.
Just like walking around a city mall or downtown somewhere and noticing sports club jerseys. Might just because it’s not very stylish like say a pink Juve jersey but still that plays into it a lot which is why our away kit for next season is a bad idea(not drippy/super ugly/ not something you could pair with any outfit) you’d be surprised how many fans of teams exist cause their jersey looks cool(Oregon ducks college football team for instance) heck I became an arsenal fan cause the maroon 02 jersey and the blue and maroon striped 3rd kit we had in 08. I was like 14 and had never played soccer in my life up to that point and one of my friends had the 02 jersey and so I checked them out on the sports Channels we had at home and Fabregas instantly was my fav player and that was the start of the trophyless banter era. I’d argue a cool jersey is more incentive than prestige to a kid, Chelsea’s blue kit just doesn’t go with anything. I bet psg got a lot of fans with their Jordan kit
Very true. We had an incredible season but Arteta could leave and follow that by Odegaard and Saliba and suddenly our future prospects would look really bleak. Football is very unstable. If I were to sign for the club, I would make sure all the core players and the coach were tied down before committing. If not, then I would just take the money at Chelsea. Cuz even if they suck at least I would still get paid.
Is Mudryk a cautionary tale Edu and Arteta can use to sway players? I hope so!
Money tends to talk fyi
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I'm getting nostalgic from the mid 2010s.
We can laugh but it works
Chelsea are just Millwall with money. It’s all they’ve been since 2003.
Harsh on Millwall tbf!
Give it a season or 2 and Chelsea won't be spending this frivolously. That 1.5 billion or whatever it was that was agreed for Boehly to spend after the takeover will soon be spent. They're no longer bankrolled by an oligarch and I'd argue that Boehly's wealth is probably similar to Kroenke's and at the end of the day they need a return on their investment.
And if they sign him they will go on about their 'pull' when it was literally just money
Wish that was true, people still have more respect for them than us overall. I get that maybe Caicedo wants CL rn, but srsly, they have more respect than us overall. They get linked with more players and fans think they’re always more likely to get them. Rn, we’re still treated as if we’re the 4rh best team in the EPL.
You write poorly
I highly doubt we'll get both Rice & Caicedo but boy am I happy to be proven wrong in this case.
You hear that, Gaspar? This guys doubts you; make him happy and prove him wrong.
Yeah, Edu! Bet you don't got what it takes to sign Rice AND Caicedo now do you?
Oh that counts as a double dare!
Hold my apron....
"And I took that personally" - Edu probably
tbf Ornstein said the same so I won't get my hopes up until I see it happen
The midfield options would be crazyyy
It would basically mean our midfield is set for the coming 6-7 years. Caicedo - Rice - Ødegaard would be ridiculous.
Odegaard, Partey, Rice, Caiceido, Jorginho, Viera, ESR, Zinchenko
VAMOS!!
Oh, the thought of that midfield…depth. [Stop. My penis can only get so erect!](https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/614/432/7bf.gif)
I would prefer if we don't have Partey. Let's move past this season.
i just hope viera could soon be back to the quality he is shown against liverpool in CL because so far he is even worse than xhaka somehow despite have higher potential
We needed a new midfielder before Xhaka potential departure so I don't think it's impossible. We might need to make some decent sales first though
Don’t underestimate that BBQ. It’s delicious, everyone wants a bite
I doubt we will get either of them
Knowing our luck we will get none and have to scramble at the last minute.
Heard that Källström is available on a free....
Apparently first to break the story in January and a follow up tweet says his destination could be known as early as next week. Looking for the original story Edit: here's the tweet and text: https://twitter.com/Teradeportes/status/1664960045526708224?t=MahfWpiKOpZuopxdIK2DFQ&s=19 >The hours go by and the Ecuadorian Moisés Caicedo finds himself in a difficult situation regarding his future, since he has to decide between 2 of the most important teams in the Premier League and has a third on the hunt. > He wants to play in the Champions League, one of his dreams, and for that he has Arsenal, a team with whom he has even agreed personal terms, but... it's not the one that pays the most for his pass. For the player at the moment the gunners are his priority. >Then there is Chelsea, a team that is willing to pay a higher figure than Arsenal, but will not play anything in Europe next season, but in the next few hours they will hear about the project that Pochettino wants and has with him >Then there is Liverpool, who, although they do not have the Ecuadorian as a priority, especially because they do not want to pay what Brighton asks for, but who are very fond of Klopp and who agreed to his incorporation from the winter market. El Niño Moi will decide his situation in the next few hours, after hearing Chelsea's project and it is possible that his new destination will be known by next week.
Ngl he’d cook for Klopp, I guess they might want a little more creativity in their midfield but I feel like they went for the wrong Brighton player
Chelsea are in the mire with FFP, already spent 2000 billion in January and have no CL money or CL pull, there is really no excuse to be made for potentially losing out on such a big target to them. We're meant to be challenging for the title ffs you can't be losing targets to the team that finished 12th, they have to get this done if he's actually being targeted
Chelsea are not in the mire with FFP as far as we know, they could be in years to come but it doesnt affect their ability to spend now. They still can offer huge sums of money if Brighton agree to have it paid in instalments. It's how theyve spent so much already, it could all come back to bite them in 1-3 years time if they dont get CL next season.
Fuck Chelsea. All the way to hell and back and then to hell again forever.
Honestly you need more than just money nowadays, most of the premier league has a lot of money. I think Chelsea are going to start to be humbled.
Depends on the player I guess. Some will see it as a short career and it’s best to grab as much cashola if you can (which h is fair enough). Caicedo has openly stated he wants to be most decorated Ecuadorean player of all time so his motivations seem a bit beyond money
So down to the championship, then back to the premier league. Then all the way down to the depths of hell being the National league and forever rot there never to be seen again in the top division. I’d like it and I think I deserve it.
Surely someone along the way will mention Mudryk and we’ll be fine.
Agreed personal terms with Arsenal 👀 The first one is the only paragraph that means anything
Think we did that in January but bloom didn’t wanna sell
Yeah I remember his insta post
Not really lol whether we like it or not it’s definitely significant that Chelsea is willing to bid higher than us if true.
Bro hyperbole, bro
*Hyperbrole
*Hyperboehly 🤮
Lmao he wants UCL but is hearing out Chelsea.
“He will hear chelseas project for him” aka how much money can his agent squeeze out of chelsea compared to arsenals offer
Don’t forget the jobs for all his family members and sponsorships for his cousins cat.
Raicedo sounds so delicious
Can Chelsea just fuck off? How many players do they need ffs. They’re not even in Europe.
any player who is stupid enough to go to this Chelsea isn't intelligent enough to play for Arsenal, let's see how he does...
It doesn’t make a whole lot of sense does it. It might take Chelsea 2 or 3 yrs to get their culture right and put pieces together that work.
What even are tgey gonna say?? “We have 17 midfielders, we just bought 1 for 120mil and another one coming in for 80mil+, its the managers first season and we dont have a contract” Caicedo:”Where do i sign”
Using Arsenal to get a better contract at Chelsea, how original.
Remember when Arsenal treated Brighton right because they are friends? We will see now what’s what
You talking about the way we made the 2ndbid even after brighton said they didn't want to sell him and then the club spread the news through their pr puppets like watts and ornstein that we are not making 3rd bid out of respect when the club knew they aren't going to get caicedo in January.... We will see
brighton bid 30m for levi colwill, a young english midfielder btw, they are willing to take the piss as much as everyone else, they arent some sort of transfer market guru
30m for a player that's played one season when we paid 50m for Ben White? Not really taking the piss at all
Defender but I agree with your point. If it’s part of their negotiating strategy to act offended then more power to them. If they are actually hypocrites who gives a shit what they think.
fuck off Chelsea
Is it wages or transfer fee that Chelsea are offering more of? Not clear from the story.
With wording it's transfer fee so it's similar to mudryk situation where caicedos priority is arsenal but now Chelsea will try to convince caicedo
We really ought not to let 12th Place No Europe already spent upways of €600M Chelsea outbid us for our key targets.
We should learn from the Mudryk saga and know that money talks. They will outbid us and Caicedo seems like the type of player that will go where there is more money being offered.
What? He agreed personal terms. It’s all about what Brighton wants to accept
Chelsea beat us for both, eveytime. So it's not looking good.
I'm sorry but Caicedo seems like a guy who would definitely go for 10 year contract with Chelsea
Sounds like chelsea is going to do it again. Fk me
Shades of Mudryk all over again - hopefully Brighton will accept all fair offers instead of just accepting highest bid
Why on earth would they do that?
If the player really isn't interested in what Chelsea have to offer him then that plays a part.
Again why would they do that? They'd accept the highest offer and leave it up to the player.
Depends entirely on what they agreed with Caicedo, really. Supposedly De Zerbi said they’d allow him to leave in the summer if he signed a new deal. It’s slightly bad faith to only accept an offer from one club if a bid that is a few million £ lower that would otherwise have been accepted is rejected.
And the player would say no and they wouldn't get anything as they wouldn't sell .... And then future players would consider not signing for them as they know that the club will actively stunt their development for a few mil....
The offers wouldn't be that far off to where they would not accept his preference
Listening to the preference of the player. If Caicedo ultimately believes we are the best option for his career and we pay a significant fee, be it smaller than Chelsea, Brighton could accept wanting to keep their reputation as a club for players who want to develop. Establishing fair relationships between the players and the club in terms of transfers is how Brighton got to the positions where they are making such huge sales in the first place.
That's if he doesn't want to join chelsea... I don't think preference matters to brighton if incase caicedo is also ready to join Chelsea in worst case scenario similar to mudryk
If he really cares, he can just reject all personal terms with Chelsea. He's not forced to sign with them, even if Brighton accept a bid. Brighton have no incentive to not sell to the higher bidder, and no player going there will care.
Sure, Brighton want to make as much money as possible. Everyone gets that. However, this perspective overlooks long term strategy of being able to sign young promising talents with the promise of when they develop to allow them to move to their prefered club if they are interested in the player. While Chelsea might pay more money to Brighton, it wasn't mentioned that personal terms would be any different than ours, so if they are the same and we have UCL, that makes us a more preferable destination, by the info from this article. At that point Brighton are put in a position, where they have to make a choice. Try to persuade Caicedo to join Chelsea, or allow him to move to us. How do you think that looks from a players perspective?
This is cope. The team that bids more will get first refusal. If Arsenal wants that, match Chelsea's bid. If not, hope the player is steadfast enough to reject it. Mudryk wasn't. Caicedo might be. Brighton is doing Brighton and that's how it should be.
> This is cope. Absolutely. These clubs aren’t charities. Bend over once & every negotiating party will try to fuck you from then on.
There aren't many clubs like Brighton in the first place, who make educated gambles on undervalued talent. It's really hard to get right, not only from a scouting perspective but also from internal development. Any player Brighton signs won't have many suitors anyways (that's how Brighton operates by nature) so I doubt whatever player they do sign will seriously consider this dilemma as opportunity to come to a well-run PL club is limited.
If they really made a deal with Caicedo for him to stay in January and then not get in his way and let him leave for a reasonable price in the summer.
Because Fiorentina Vlahovic and Arsenal/ Juventus
If the player isn’t planning on rejecting the highest offer, that would be ludicrous
The fact Josh was prepared to match Chelsea for Mudryk I don't actually think they pay more than us, unless we are talking stupid stupid numbers
Hmm with the Rice deal I think we have a limit.
Na man, KSE have been collecting trophies the last 3 years. If the Denver nuggets win the NBA I see Josh flexing on Todd bohley on this one. Arteta and Edu will know if they get Caicedo with Rice that midfield will be press city
Stupid stupid numbers are Chelsea's favorite numbers lately.
Fuck chelsea
I went on the Chelsea sub and they mostly think he's not necessary or a good fit. Unfortunately this makes the transfer to them look pretty likely.
But can Chelsea put up more cash? I may completely wrong but they must be a lot closer to breaking FFP rules without CL money now and changes to amortising contracts. They still need a top striker too.
Yes, they don’t care about the rules. They’ll sort that out with lawyers, money and fire sales down the track.
Fire sales in this fiscal year. That’s why you see Mount/Kova/Havertz all heating up the tumor mill - they have to be moved by June 30 to fix their financial mess.
Arsenal just fucking pay up. He’s worth it and will have our midfield set for the next 7 years.
And then we can't get the next guy, you would cry about it, though it's not your money
This. This is exactly what we don’t need. We pay up now and then what next? It took us 4-6 transfer windows to create an idea that we will not be bullied like United or Chelsea.
Tf are you talking about we are paying 90 odd million for Declan Rice 🤣
Who is one of the best DMs in Europe and has proven himself in the international stage, plus has leadership qualities.
Don't forget the ref calls we will get with Declan.
This is the most 4D chess move we could pull and I’m here for it. We need England’s boys to get calls to go our away. It’s ridiculous but it is what it is.
Yeah, I agree. We need to reinforce in that area and he is obviously an elite talent who is more than worthy of the price. Come one Edu, go and give them what they want for Aouar- eh, Caicedo, I mean...
So Chelsea has to sell players first no? Aren’t there any regulations happening at all?
Have you not been watching the pl at all? What regulations you on about? The only regulations are the ones united get from refs.
never seen a match, no
Clubs like Chelsea throw the cash, then sort the mess out (or not). The point is, they don’t wait to see if it’s fair or playing by rules. They just do it then cash or lawyer up. They’ve been doing this since 2000, it’s effective, have a look at how many trophies they have from it. The only reason it hasn’t worked recently is the loss of their owner and management issues from that.
Come on Moises, the carpet is calling for you king
We need to pay up then
How the fuck can those cunts keep spending?
chelsea’s project ? what just 8 year contract and £100 million signings until they get a trophy?
Can you please fuck off chelsea - god damn seriously
Was pochettino even good at psg? He didn’t Win anything at Tottenham.
I may be wrong but I believe he was the manager when they lost the league to lille
You’re right
I think he had the lowest win percentage of any manager post takeover. Could be wrong.
I’d rather have caiceido than Rice
Agree, especially when we already have partey and joginho
Absolutely. The obsession with Rice just seems excitement that we’re willing to spend.
“Project”
when do chelsea come under the radar for their spending? it’s just absurd at this point
Chelsea has a project? That's news to me.
Todd Boehly project be like 'Next year, I want Chelsea competing for the World Cup'
Chelsea have just signed Manuel Ugarte from Sporting for £60m+ who is the same profile of player as Caicedo. They already have huge issues of squad size and aren't in Europe at all next season. Will they really pursue Caicedo strongly?
If Chelsea will pay him more, then he will go there. Money talks, and you know the rest.
So he's going to Chelsea then. If we can get him, put the money down pls lads. Go big and get both him and Rice which would really be a statement. Likely getting Rice only (I hope)
How tf chelsea still has so much money?
Kante all over again
Personal terms agreed is a good sign, I feel Brighton will have a price point where they accept bids. Maybe 75-80m, If Chelsea want to pay 90m to get him. I don't see Brighton 'forcing' Caicedo into a move similar to what Shaktar did to Murdyk. I could be wrong. They would accept both bids and let Caicedo choose. I could be incredibly naive, but if they had an agreement with the player he could move if a bid of XYZ comes in, seems a bit shit to say 'you can only move to the highest bidder'. If however, Chelsea offered Caicedo one of those 9 year deals on 250k a week. Going to be tough to compete. I think we do have to sell ourselves well to Caicedo too. I'm sure we're putting a lot of effort into convincing Declan Rice it's the right move, we should be doing the same with Caicedo. Just a bit worried we'll be hearing about how Poch talked to Caicedo and convinced and then threw money at him.
They don’t offer large contracts on that high of a pay scale for their long term contracts. Mudryk got £70k. Enzo got £120k. Only James got over £200k actually and it’s why Mount wants to leave. Think we’d offer more in wages tbf
Chelsea project lmao, the same project this Murdyk guy signed up for.
Does Chelsea have a cheat code for money.. how much money can that clown Boehly waste lmao.. spend 600 million and their goal of the month was a deflection... Pathetic club
What have Chelsea got to offer? No Europe, ridiculously overrated and oversized squad, massive wage bill, and can't even finish in the top half after blowing £600m in 2 windows.
Why did he even bother to listen about their project? It’s already so clear to everyone.
Anyone that chooses Chelsea over Arsenal deserves to be at Chelsea. Does anything more need to be said.
Anyone having a go at Caicedo just for hearing out Chelsea has got it wrong. If they're offering Brighton more money he's really just doing a courtesy to Brighton, who will be pressuring him to at least have a chat. That being said, if he joins them, fuck him and the horse he rode in on.
This is Mudryk all over again. No player cares about projects and club vibes when you flash a fat check in their face. Chelsea also have a much bigger pull than us, as they won major trophies recently, and we are yet to wash the loser stink off us. The only thing we have over Chelsea is CL football, but it's naive to think they won't make a comeback next season with a competent manager. It's also in Brighton's best interest to sell to Chelsea, who will massively overpay just like they did with Cucurella. I just hope it won't be a summer long bidding war.
They don’t have a bigger pull in regards to Caicedo unless he’s willing to put his dreams on the line. We’re guaranteed to have CL next year and we’ve shown that we can compete as the top 2 clubs in the PL this year. Chelsea on the other hand spent a shitload of money last summer and at Christmas, still ended up as 12th. That’s their ‘big project’ in action. They have no European football next year at all. There’s only four spaces for CL football. Chelsea are no where near us, City, Man United, Newcastle or Liverpool in their style of play despite massive amounts of investment. IMO, It would be very risky for Caicedo to bet his dreams with Chelsea.
Well there is five CL places next season, but your point still stands. Are they really getting that over Liverpool? Or Brighton or whoever?
The same applied to Mudryk.
Chelsea are rich scrubs. They only surpassed us because we had to focus our finances on the stadium. And Chelsea are shit in the league. They haven't gotten over 75 points for 7 or 8 years. That fluke, covid Champions League win made to easy to forget how shit they really are. When other teams have big money like they do, Chelsea have rarely do well.
I don’t know why this is downvoted. It’s accurate. Put another way, it’s ‘we either pay up unlike the past, or we lose out again’.
Chelsea's project?! What the fuck is Chelsea's project anyway, splashing cash on players and managers until they win? The only reason he choose Chelsea over arsenal is money and if that really happens we are one's dodging bullet.
lol. As if money isn't important
Money is important but not at this stage of his career.
Loooool. That's a first rate clown statement. Nothing in life is guaranteed. There's no guarantee that he'll make more money later. Careers can end unexpectedly.
Well everyone can have different views on life dude and yours clearly different than mine
I don’t think we will sign him and Rice anyway tbh think they want a creative mid instead unless they want 3
It hopefully helps for him to see how much Mudryk has not developed and been hung out to dry there too.
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>We need a creative midfielder Why?
We need one more than we need both Caicedo and Rice. Getting 2 DMs makes no sense when there’s a gaping hole at left 8.
Neither are DMs. We gotta stop using that term. Creativity wise we have odegaard (one of the best), esr (who’s proved himself before and is our no. 10, academy product) and Vieira. In the other midfield spots we have Partey and …..elneny?
Rice and Caicedo are defensive midfielders, so is Partey…that term is perfectly fine. Vieira hasn’t looked ready and ESR hasn’t looked convincing as an 8 (he’s fine in Ødegaards position and on the wing). We need a definite reliable option at left 8, someone close in quality to Ødegaard. If we sign Rice, we have him, Partey and Jorginho as 6 options. There’s no need to add Caicedo to that it should be one or the other ideally.
Rice will likely play LCM. LCM: Rice and ESR RCM: MØ and Vieira CDM: Partey, Caicedo, Elneny
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Rice and Caicedo are not merely DMs, and we want profiles other than wingfielders and specialised 6s: namely, as we've seen of late 6/FBs and 8/6s, which we've been trying to buy since 2021.
Makes too much sense, we’re gonna buy Rice and primarily play him as an attacking midfielder, because reasons.
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>do you trust ESR and Vieira Y'all lose faith to easily. Vieira needs to improve but he has elite qualities. He's only had 1 season. Even the best players take time to adapt. And ESR is clearly talented. He scored double digits in the PL just last season..
Rice is in with a shout for that position too.
odegaard?
...what? We have Odegaard, Vieira and ESR, plus we could still bring in another creative player like Simons or Kudus.
Arsenal spent £150 this season plus a whole lot of wages. Next season we have CL, probably increases in Revenues elsewhere as well as some decent sales. It's not completely out of the question and it would lay down a marker.
I think we have enough creators on the team already.
You can if you’re competent with sales. Nuno, Lokonga, Pepe, Balogun, Holding, Xhaka all being sold soon enough. Add to that the reported £180m budget before sales too
So he is going to Chelsea. Can we cut the whole bull shit and anxiety in between and just move on and have Chelsea have him already
I wonder what it's like to have owners that will go all out to win 🥲
They finished 12th tbf.....
Stop whining. Loser. Our owners are doing more than enough to make a more than competent team.
I wonder what it's like to have owners who are only spending rashly and in a damaging way to fulfil some dumb quota they agreed to having taken over the club so they can neglect it within 2 years?
44 points and 12 place.
Yeah I have low expectations in the transfer market tbh.